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Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

Alexander said:
no, she says that the realms are like planets, like implies similarities, not outright confirmation, she does not say this when reffering to them has universes, SHE OUTRIGHT SAYS they are universes.
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she outright says "We treat them like planets" and that is literally what is reflected in the visuals of the entire show

what is going on here today lmao. hazbin getting wanked to universal was not what i expected.
 
Phoenks said:
beam fires from hell to heaven -> no spatial/temporal separation required to be treated as spatial-temporal realms on the wiki
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I don't see what's against the idea of multiple-universes co-existing within the same space, I'm pretty sure there's actual examples of this within the wiki.
Phoenks said:
the beam is finite in size, we can even calc its size based on the surroundings. When it hits Heaven's barrier, which encompasses all of Heaven, the beam has a size that can be used to estimate the entire size of Heaven itself -> Heaven is not even close to universal in size based on visuals
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Why are we using visuals as proof for this? You can't accurately portray the size of something visually, especially when we are talking about something apparently travelling an "infinite distance."
Phoenks said:
Vivzipop says herself that she treats the realms like planets -> this contradicts them being universes and also aligns far better with the visuals of them
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How is being treated like a planet equivalent of being an actual planet? Especially when she says they're universes that are treated like planets, completely different thing.
Phoenks said:
Viv says herself that both realms are physically accessible to one another, through literal "physical space" -> again disproving any separation needed for them to be treated as universes on the wiki, also making it clear that these celestial bodies we see are physical bodies that we should be capable of calculating based on the visuals
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Same as the first point, what's against the idea of universes existing within the same space?
 
Phoenks said:
she outright says "We treat them like planets" and that is literally what is reflected in the visuals of the entire show
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like two different planets in a lot of ways — that's kind of how we treat them.
she didn't say they were planets, SHE SAID THEY ARE LIKE, planets, but they aren't planets, hell is not even on the same dimension has earth (unless we know accept Hell has a planet now?)
Phoenks said:
what is going on here today lmao. hazbin getting wanked to universal was not what i expected.
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MAN, WE HAD ONE IN SEASON 1, WHY PEOPLE KEEP IGNORING THAT FEAT AND MAKE BULLSHIT FOR IT
"unknown time" they should have not taken billions of years for it, we saw the visuals.
 
The fact that Hell and Heaven called universes and called like planets is not contradictory.

The universe is 3-A, and you can place two 3-A structures in a sufficiently large space and make them behave like planets.

I think this is also the case in Hellaverse. Hell and Heaven are 3-A structures, and the area they are in is much larger, allowing the two 3-A structures to be seen like planets and enabling physical travel between them.
 
Stellar_Fish said:
I unironically think Val should get below-average intelligence with likely gifted manipulation ngl he's such a dumb *****
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OH BELIEVE ME, AS THE GUY MAKING THE PROFILE HE IS

The other Vees are fine in their combat IQ, Vox only gets a bit stupid if Alastor's involved which is more of a weakness than an actual intelligence problem
 
Mythic381 said:
Same as the first point, what's against the idea of universes existing within the same space?
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There is nothing to suggest they are the size of universes in the first place. You can have the statement of them being their own universes without that referring to them being universal in size. It is on you to prove they are universal in size when every single visual in the entire show alongside "they are like planets" contradicts that.
 
Though he's not getting gifted in manipulation, while Val does have charisma its been shown that it's less of any calculated planning and more "He's just charming" and thats it.

Nobody with gifted intelligence in manipulation is pulling the public stunts that Val does
 
Phoenks said:
There is nothing to suggest they are the size of universes in the first place. You can have the statement of them being their own universes without that referring to them being universal in size. It is on you to prove they are universal in size when every single visual in the entire show alongside "they are like planets" contradicts that.
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That's not the standards in this wiki though?

Again, she never says they're like planets as in they're planetary sized, she's clearly referring to them acting like planets because you can travel between them physically, which is why she mentions that part specifically after it.
 
Hehehe now that everyone is fighting I can sneak Immortality Type 6 on Adam and Invulnerability on Angels
 
Detective_Blizzard said:
Though he's not getting gifted in manipulation, while Val does have charisma its been shown that it's less of any calculated planning and more "He's just charming" and thats it.

Nobody with gifted intelligence in manipulation is pulling the public stunts that Val does
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I was thinking he has some emotional intelligence since he knows how to say things in order to appeal to different people. More so people intelligence than political intelligence, y'know.

But ngl I don't know why they kept the Vees alive, I don't imagine them doing anything meaningful now that Vox isn't fully part of the team, I imagine they'll be downgraded to Rocket team kind of shi
 
ShionAH said:
Hehehe now that everyone is fighting I can sneak Immortality Type 6 on Adam and Invulnerability on Angels
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iu
 
Vox in Don’t You Forget reprisal: “Yo Alastor you’re a dumbass idc about the past I have a dream I have a team I’ll win”
Vox in Finale: “Screw Vs! Screw Hell! Screw Неаven! Screw everything! I don’t care if I destroy everything AS LONG AS I KILL THAT RADIO FREAK!”
 
Stellar_Fish said:
But ngl I don't know why they kept the Vees alive, I don't imagine them doing anything meaningful now that Vox isn't fully part of the team, I imagine they'll be downgraded to Rocke team kind of shi
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Val is still a massive player given his roadblock in Angel's story. That combined with him taking over VoxTek means they still have some threat level to them
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Vox in Don’t You Forget reprisal: “Yo Alastor you’re a dumbass idc about the past I have a dream I have a team I’ll win”
Vox in Finale: “Screw Vs! Screw Hell! Screw Неаven! Screw everything! I don’t care if I destroy everything AS LONG AS I KILL THAT RADIO FREAK!”
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Surprise surprise, Vox is a hypocrite, racist, cult-leader, fuhrer and "Make Hell great again!" propagandist!
 
Udlmaster said:
Likewise, that makes Rosie around TWICE as strong as all of Hell given she basically lost that power after the deal broke and was still able to use Magic and help out with the bubble
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There's no evidence that she lost any power, only that she lost control of Alastor.
 
Mythic381 said:
That's not the standards in this wiki though?

Again, she never says they're like planets as in they're planetary sized, she's clearly referring to them acting like planets because you can travel between them physically, which is why she mentions that part specifically after it.
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You are ignoring the part where every single visual of the bodies in the show combined with said statements shows them as akin to celestial bodies that are very clearly measurable in size, especially with the beam! This isn't something that you can ignore just because Vivzipop called them universes in an interview, in a way that could very easily just mean "separate realm."

This will be my last comment. If y'all actually go for this on the CRT, I'll be there I suppose.
 
Phoenks said:
every single visual of the bodies in the show combined with said statements shows them as akin to celestial bodies that are very clearly measurable in size, especially with the beam! This isn't something that you can ignore just because Vivzipop called them universes in an interview, in a way that could very easily just mean "separate realm."
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"When she and her animation team were looking for "cosmic representations" of the two realms in a season focused on the coming war between them, they felt it made sense to draw on the existing design for Hell's moon."
Phoenks said:
measurable in size
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Not all universes are actually infinite in size yk.
Phoenks said:
This will be my last comment. If y'all actually go for this on the CRT, I'll be there I suppose.
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Alright then.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Alright chat whaddya think Lilith is gonna do and what are your thoughts on the future of Vox
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I think Lilith will probably be a semi-neutral character, megalomaniac and egocentric, but with ideas that could inspire Charlie. I also think she doesn't care too much about Lucifer and Charlie. I have this vision of her being a cold-minded narcissist.
Idk about Vox ngl, I imagine a potential arc for Val and Velvette, but he is kind of done and will likely be bullied for the rest of the series.
I'm also 200% sure that Cain will appear in Season 3 for some reason.
 
Phoenks said:
You are ignoring the part where every single visual of the bodies in the show combined with said statements shows them as akin to celestial bodies that are very clearly measurable in size, especially with the beam! This isn't something that you can ignore just because Vivzipop called them universes in an interview, in a way that could very easily just mean "separate realm."

This will be my last comment. If y'all actually go for this on the CRT, I'll be there I suppose.
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man, gurren lagann literraly has the human characters SHOWN ON SCREEN, to be like, just like 1/25 of the size of the galactic size mechs...yet we don't buff the size of the humans or downplay the size of the mechs just because we can see them.
size represensation in fiction, specially with gigantic things, IS HARD
 
Vox ain't gonna do shit and is prob never gonna be a overlord ever again
Val is drying next season to free Angel
Now Vel... what the hell are they gonna cook for her cuz she doesn't have any major plot points with the main cast other than "I'm friends with the guy that you hate"
 
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