Ultraman (DCU) vs. The Slayer (Hazbin Hotel)

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Niffty sees Alastor fighting Superman and runs to help, but mistakens Supes with his clone.
(Not sure if this is a good matchup but it's worth a shot)

Da Rulez:

• Staring distance is 15 meters.
• Ultraman is 8-A.
• Niffty's optional equipment is restricted.
• SBA.

"He might be even stupider than you. If that's possible": 1 (@Zyurtunder13)
"Sometimes, I kill mother-bugs in front of their children as a warning to others!": 4 (@Alexander. @Detective_Blizzard, @AigerTheKing, @Oiguana2701)
Inconclusive: 0

 

[Alexander]

How hot is ultra man vision?also Niffty could just stab him and since his regeneration is not that great in comparison (Valentino got stabbed through the chest by Niffty, and he survived and regenerated from it)if Niffty does the same here, he is definitely not surviving

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

How hot is ultra man vision?

Not sure, his resistance is listed as 3871 °C, I forgor in which thread I saw the value.

also Niffty could just stab him and since his regeneration is not that great in comparison (Valentino got stabbed through the chest by Niffty, and he survived and regenerated from it)if Niffty does the same here, he is definitely not surviving

Ultraman's physicals are better than Val's, but it will definitely hurt after multiple stabs.

 

[Alexander]

Not sure, his resistance is listed as 3871 °C, I forgor in which thread I saw the value.

Oh okay

Ultraman's physicals are better than Val's, but it will definitely hurt after multiple stabs.

specially if his healings is not instantaneous like sinners, if it takes him more than 3 or 4 seconds to regenerate, the constant amount of stabs will make him feel alot of pain and eventually, Niffty just ends up killing him

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

specially if his healings is not instantaneous like sinners, if it takes him more than 3 or 4 seconds to regenerate, the constant amount of stabs will make him feel alot of pain and eventually, Niffty just ends up killing him

It is an over-time thing, takes several minutes to heal burns but can amped up greatly with concentrated sunlight.

Too bad this bum doesn't have access to that

So yeah, I'm voting the Super-Slayer. Doesn't help that his Ultraman suit literally blocks that heat vision from happening lol. Honestly, I think you can give Ultraman his Lex Support and he'd still lose given Lex doesn't know how to fight a gremlin like Niffty

 

[Alexander]

So yeah, I'm voting the Super-Slayer. Doesn't help that his Ultraman suit literally blocks that heat vision from happening lol. Honestly, I think you can give Ultraman his Lex Support and he'd still lose given Lex doesn't know how to fight a gremlin like Niffty

Lex: USE 1A
Niffty: WVZ358
Lex: what?
Niffty: stab stab stab
the guy eventually bleeds out, and he can't ******* kill her since her regeneration is better than his heat vision can vaporize her

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

To give him some benefit and win conditions, Ultraman WOULD be able to just grab Niffty and chuck her into space as a win-con.

So no, this isnt a stomp

 

[Alexander]

To give him some benefit and win conditions, Ultraman WOULD be able to just grab Niffty and chuck her into space as a win-con.

So no, this isnt a stomp

...didn't Stolas just, survive on Space?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

his healings is not instantaneous like sinners

It's not accepted instantaneous on the wiki (at least not yet).

Doesn't help that his Ultraman suit literally blocks that heat vision from happening lol. Honestly, I think you can give Ultraman his Lex Support and he'd still lose given Lex doesn't know how to fight a gremlin like Niffty

True, most of Lex's moves are designed against Superman.

To give him some benefit and win conditions, Ultraman WOULD be able to just grab Niffty and chuck her into space as a win-con.

That, and he can also try to do what Val did with that superior LS and AP. But he needs to catch her first.

Both votes counted.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Voting for Ultraman, his enhanced senses should give him an enormous edge over Nifty, he also has flight with gives him a titanic mobility advantage, his heat vision scales to 3871°C which is superior to Nifty's 3500°C resistance, meaning that he can easily incinerated her, also he has an enormous lifting strength advantage and once he grabs her he can just tear her apart with easy.
Also there's no proof that she can survive in space or even if she could survived in space she couldn't come back, making it another easy wincon for Ultraman, unfortunately Nifty just don't have in her to defeat Ultraman at all, she's just not built like that.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

...didn't Stolas just, survive on Space?

Yeah, a Goetia demon, not Niffty... how is Stolas relevant here?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

...didn't Stolas just, survive on Space?

Solar is a different race so Niffty doesnt get that benefit, but that wouldn't matter since she has no means of doing anything about it so it'd be a BFR win.

 

[Alexander]

Voting for Ultraman, his enhanced senses should give him an enormous edge over Nifty, he also has flight with gives him a titanic mobility advantage, his heat vision scales to 3871°C which is superior to Nifty's 3500°C resistance, meaning that he can easily incinerated her, also he has an enormous lifting strength advantage and once he grabs her he can just tear her apart with easy.

the difference is not that ******* great to incinerate her (alsos he can regenerate from that)

 

[Alexander]

Yeah, a Goetia demon, not Niffty... how is Stolas relevant here?

Stolas literraly only thing different from any other demons in ******* hell is that he is not a human (was a human), can reproduce and...thats it.
why shouldn't we just give every sinner the same self-sustance has Stolas when there is almost no difference between them?they both die from angelic weapons, have regeneration, are immortal, the only difference is everything else.
but well, fine if it is not

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Voting for Ultraman

Counted.

his enhanced senses should give him an enormous edge over Nifty

Fair.

he also has flight with gives him a titanic mobility advantage

His most moves are fighting H2H, and Niffty has Acrobatics to tag him if he flies not that far away.

his heat vision scales to 3871°C which is superior to Nifty's 3500°C resistance, meaning that he can easily incinerated her

Honestly, not sure if we look at 371 °C difference or 1.106x difference here to determine whether Niffty dies two one heat laser.

also he has an enormous lifting strength advantage and once he grabs her he can just tear her apart with easy.

Fair.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Stolas literraly only thing different from any other demons in ******* hell is that he is not a human (was a human), can reproduce and...thats it.

The Goetia were made by Lucifer so they are closer in comparison to the Angels than the sinners.

why shouldn't we just give every sinner the same self-sustance has Stolas when there is almost no difference between them?they both die from angelic weapons, have regeneration, are immortal, the only difference is everything else.

Why don't we give Sinner's angelic powers? They both die from angelic weapons, have regeneration, are immortal, the only difference is everything else

 

[Zyurtunder13]

the difference is not that ******* great to incinerate her (alsos he can regenerate from that)

Sorry to break it for you, but even a difference of 50°C is enough to greatly damage something or someone with heat, and he has over 300°C advantage

 

[Alexander]

Sorry to break it for you, but even a difference of 50°C is enough to greatly damage something or someone with heat, and he has over 300°C advantage

...man, our bodies are around like 36, and again, NIFFTY HAS REGENERATION

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

...man, our bodies are around like 36, and again, NIFFTY HAS REGENERATION

It's not accepted instantaneous on the wiki (at least not yet).

It will be a stomp when the Regen gets accepted lul.

 

[Zyurtunder13]

His most moves are fighting H2H, and Niffty has Acrobatics to tag him if he flies not that far away.

Honestly, not sure if we look at 371 °C difference or 1.106x difference here to determine whether Niffty dies two one heat laser.

First, you're overestimating her "acrobatics", they're garbage, so it doesn't help her at all with Ultraman's flight, and she doesn't have the H2H skills to hang with Ultraman in a direct combat.

Also that isn't how heat difference works buddy, it isn't just a 1.106x difference, even differences of just 50°C greatly changes heat dynamics.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

First, you're overestimating her "acrobatics"

She can jump high enough to tag him if he flies not that far away. That's the main point.

so it doesn't help her at all with Ultraman's flight, and she doesn't have the H2H skills to hang with Ultraman in a direct combat.

Neither does Ultraman via being freaking dumb, and Niffty also does know how to fight (see fight with Val), she just isn't a boxer and has a different approach (take advantage of small size, get under clothes, dodge, stab-stab-stab).

Also that isn't how heat difference works buddy, it isn't just a 1.106x difference, even differences of just 50°C greatly changes heat dynamics.

Again, not sure myself if that's how it works. Would a 10^99 C resistance be completely disentagrated by (10^99 + 50) C? Sounds dubious, but I'm not an expert in this area.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

While I do shit-talk Val constantly, the dude DOES have 4 arms and was constantly trying to attack Niffty off of her and it wasn't until she tried to aura-farm with a jumping lunge that he had a chance to hit her. Her stabbing the chest would be the game ender.

Also, as for Ultraman's 'skill', dude has basically nothing without Lex in his ear. He has some close quarters combat that he falls back on but those moves are literally worthless against a gremlin sized opponent.

Plus, on the whole heat difference thing, Niffty get's hers from tanking the heat so it's also an higher rating

 

[Zyurtunder13]

She can jump high enough to tag him if he flies not that far away. That's the main point.

Neither does Ultraman via being freaking dumb, and Niffty also does know how to fight (see fight with Val), she just isn't a boxer and has a different approach (take advantage of small size, get under clothes, dodge, stab-stab-stab).

Again, not sure myself if that's how it works. Would a 10^99 C resistance be completely disentagrated by (10^99 + 50) C? Sounds dubious, but I'm not an expert in this area.

Yeah, your points are all incredibly useless

 

[Zyurtunder13]

While I do shit-talk Val constantly, the dude DOES have 4 arms and was constantly trying to attack Niffty off of her and it wasn't until she tried to aura-farm with a jumping lunge that he had a chance to hit her. Her stabbing the chest would be the game ender.

Also, as for Ultraman's 'skill', dude has basically nothing without Lex in his ear. He has some close quarters combat that he falls back on but those moves are literally worthless against a gremlin sized opponent.

Plus, on the whole heat difference thing, Niffty get's hers from tanking the heat so it's also an higher rating

Yeah, all those points are useless, and I already said that Ultraman's heat advantage is enough to incinerated her

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Also Valentino's combat skills are pathetic anyways, and he was trying for the most part in shooting her instead of grabbing her, Ultraman would instantly go for the grab, which he would easily get because of his flight advantage, and once he grab her is over, as his massive strength advantage would let him tear her arms apart with easy as he was trying to also tear Clark's arms off and only couldn't because of the comparable LS between them.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Ah yes, the best type of response, "Everything you said is worthless because I said so"

Guess we'll have to pack it up folks, Ultraman's heat vision which he doesn't even use with his mask on (which is on by default) will obliterate her before she can cross a 15 meter gap (He can totally hit a small size target, trust)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Yeah, your points are all incredibly useless

Yeah, all those points are useless, and I already said that Ultraman's heat advantage is enough to incinerated her

(Replace me with us)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Also Valentino's combat skills are pathetic anyways, and he was trying for the most part in shooting her instead of grabbing her

Dude has 4 arms, he was trying to grab her and shoot her but he couldn't do either.

Ultraman would instantly go for the grab, which he would easily get because of his flight advantage

Ultraman is not used to grabbing small sized opponents and Niffty isn't just a sitting target, she can just go around it (again, she was only grabbed when she was mid-air and lost her mobility advantage)

As his massive strength advantage would let him tear her arms apart with easy as he was trying to also tear Clark's arms off and only couldn't because of the comparable LS between them.

Yeah uh, notice how his training techniques, which he operates very poorly out of, wouldn't work at all when the arm he's trying to grab are shin level

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Ah yes, the best type of response, "Everything you said is worthless because I said so"

Guess we'll have to pack it up folks, Ultraman's heat vision which he doesn't even use with his mask on (which is on by default) will obliterate her before she can cross a 15 meter gap (He can totally hit a small size target, trust)

I love how you're now making up weaknesses for him to give Nifty an advantage, buddy, I think that if you're this incapable of actually engaging in an argument then your vote should be deleted.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I love how you're now making up weaknesses for him to give Nifty an advantage, buddy, I think that if you're this incapable of actually engaging in an argument then your vote should be deleted.

Making up weaknesses? What weakness am I making up? When did he use heat vision with the helmet on? That isn't a weakness thing that's just a tactics diff

 

[Zyurtunder13]

Dude has 4 arms, he was trying to grab her and shoot her but he couldn't do either.


Ultraman is not used to grabbing small sized opponents and Niffty isn't just a sitting target, she can just go around it (again, she was only grabbed when she was mid-air and lost her mobility advantage)


Yeah uh, notice how his training techniques, which he operates very poorly out of, wouldn't work at all when the arm he's trying to grab are shin level

I love again how you're making stuff up to give a character with enhanced senses supposedly a weakness to give Nifty an unfair advantage.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I love again how you're making stuff up to give a character with enhanced senses supposedly a weakness to give Nifty an unfair advantage.

Again with the accusations of making up weaknesses what's with this? You don't need an active weakness to Small Size to struggle with fighting it that's just the default, because most people don't fight targets like that since most forms of combat rely on a target of similar size (or in some cases bigger). Or if you mean him just not being good in combat without Lex "Not very intelligent" would like a word on that

Like, if you want to disagree you can, but unless you can disprove what I say then you're just arguing in bad faith by calling me a liar.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Also on the whole 'HE HAS ENHANCED SENSES HE CAN'T LOSE' bit, dude none of those are actually relevant to the fight.

• Infrared Vision: She's not hiding behind anything
• Telescopic: She isn't that small nor far away enough, anyone with normal vision can see her
• X-Ray: Refer to Infrared
• Hearing and Smell: She is crawling around him with a knife trying to constantly stab him that doesn't help

None of these traits actually assist in combat like that, especially not Niffty's brand. These aren't the type of enhanced senses that let you pull some crazy close range movements, these are mostly useful for tracking and countering stealth/running moves, not a crazed gremlin crawling around you

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

If you want me to make up weaknesses, then dude instantly dies from smelling Niffty with that enhanced smell, that gal's covered in rat and cockroach blood to an unnatural degree

 

[Alexander]

If you want me to make up weaknesses, then dude instantly dies from smelling Niffty with that enhanced smell, that gal's covered in rat and cockroach blood to an unnatural degree

also ***** (sperm), pee, garbage, filth, rat poison

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Bump

 

[AigerTheKing]

Niffty FRA

 

[Oiguana2701]

Niffty FRA

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Maybe bump