Alucard VS The Auditor (Hellsing vs Madness Combat) REMATCH!

[Comiphorous]

A relatively old thread that was long removed from their profiles, so i wanted to see how they'd fare now.

Alucard VS The Auditor​

• Pre-Schrodinger Alucard is being used
• The Auditor has The Halo
• Speed is equalized
• Otherwise SBA

Alucard:

The Auditor:

Inconclusive:

 

[SpiteBattles]

Is there any way for Alucard to prevent himself from getting his ass deconstructed or matter manipulated and then getting his immortality negated?

 

[Comiphorous]

Is there any way for Alucard to prevent himself from getting his ass deconstructed or matter manipulated and then getting his immortality negated?

Dissonance is a projectile, and Alucard could dodge it, or have it phase through him. his choice.

The Auditor also doesn't start with dissonance when using the halo.

 

[Gamecooob]

ok so what does Alucard even have here that works?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alucard's best attacking ability is his hypnosis. It's actually layered, but that still needs to be put forward for the character. With all the enormous revisions the verse is going through, that will have to wait, I'd say.

 

[Comiphorous]

Alucard's best attacking ability is his hypnosis. It's actually layered, but that still needs to be put forward for the character. With all the enormous revisions the verse is going through, that will have to wait, I'd say.

How would mind manipulation even work on an avatar for a tier 1 realm?

 

[Random-Helper323]

How would mind manipulation even work on an avatar for a tier 1 realm?

Don't know. The Hellsing verse is about to get revised in terms of tiering, so a versus thread is best kept for after.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

A HELLSING THREAD

Anyways like Random Helper said.

The Verse is pretty much outdated.
Alucard and the top tiers that scale to him are gonna get downgraded in scaling

and even the 9-Bs are getting downgraded to baseline (still need to work on that thread.)

so best to post-pone this for now.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

aren't the downgrades technically already accepted

idk, wasn't here when those downgrades happen.

also there's the subject with the calcs made by clover since if I remember correctly, they said they didn't like the calcs they made for the verse in the High 7-C Downgrade thread.

however I probably need to reread it to make sure I didn't say some misinfo

(also the updated calc for Anderson still needs to get reaccepted since it got changed)

 

[Random-Helper323]

(also the updated calc for Anderson still needs to get reaccepted since it got changed)

The fire size is still accepted as far as I know. It's the smelting of 120,000 ghouls that needs accepting.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

The fire size is still accepted as far as I know. It's the smelting of 120,000 ghouls that needs accepting

im pretty sure The fire was also recalced

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

does a CRT have to be made for the fire calc

ye probably, also need to get the recalced fire and the corpse burning to get accepted before making one

 

[Employe]

Both Auditor and Alucard will soon receive High 8-C

Just saying for the future, though

 

[Comiphorous]

Both Auditor and Alucard will soon receive High 8-C

Just saying for the future, though

No auditor is staying 8-A. Everyone else in madness is a matchup that can happen though.

 

[Employe]

No auditor is staying 8-A. Everyone else in madness is a matchup that can happen though.

Wait, yeah, I forgot that Auditor scales directly to 8-A.

Then I guess we can do base Hank vs Alucard at least (I feel like Al would not have stayed a chance against Auditor even if he was simply High 8-C, anyway)

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alucard, Seras and co. currently share a Tier with Denji and co, Dio and co, and Homelander and co.

So there are some interesting vs threads to be made from this. Note that Dio and Homelander still have a large AP advantage though, because both upscale a value higher than Alucard's plane feat.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

"Denji"

back off, this Matchup is mine. I'm just waiting for some things to be complete before I make it

 

[Random-Helper323]

back off, this Matchup is mine. I'm just waiting for some things to be complete before I make it

Eh, you can do it. I only brought it up because I know it's famous. I couldn't really get into Chainsaw Man all that much, same with Jujutsu Kaisen, to be honest. I'm just naming possibilities, that's all.

 

[Comiphorous]

yeah exactly its the avatar. The avatar getting mind haxed counts as incap. The true form existing in a tier 1 realm doesn't really do much because we're not using the true form, we're using the avatar.

You can't restrict the true form lmao. You can only restrict something if it's something the character can actively not use. The true form isn't something the auditor "Uses' thats literally just him lmao.

It'd be like me asking you to hold off on using your physical body.

 

[Comiphorous]

No but he doesn't need to have tier 1 range because he's only fighting the avatar. If he was fighting the true form then he would.

"An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added."

Rules are rules, he can't consciously restrict being his true form, therefore it still exists. Alucard still needs to affect the true form if he wants to use mind manipulation. He's just not actively directly fighting the true form.

 

[Comiphorous]

I'm not saying that his true form can be restricted. Why does he need to affect the true form if he can use mind manip on the avatar?

You typically need to affect the mind of the being your targetting to manipulate their mind.

which comes to be an issue when the target is just an avatar for a five dimensional realm. As far as i understand the avatar should be conventionally immune due to it's true self being in a higher dimension.

 

[Comiphorous]

The Auditor's mind being 5 dimensional only applies to his true form. It doesn't make sense if the avatar has a 5 dimensional mind

The Avatar and True form is the same being. Why would it's mind somehow lose dimensions? That makes zero sense.

 

[Comiphorous]

Because the avatar is a 3-D being but his true form is a 5-D being

Yes the avatar is three dimensional and the true form is still 5 dimensional so show me Alucard having Low 1-C range for his mind manipulation so it can affect the actual entity and not just an entity that acts as a gateway to the realm itself.

 

[AThe1412]

Aren't the avatars and true form of a higher-dimensional being automatically assumed to have the same mind unless shown or proven otherwise?

 

[Comiphorous]

Aren't the avatars and true form of a higher-dimensional being automatically assumed to have the same mind unless shown or proven otherwise?

I figure the default is they have the same mind, not that the avatar has a lower dimensional mind. Made a Q&A thread just to see what other people have to say.

 

[Comiphorous]

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lets make a hypothetical scenario and say avatar key of Arceus doesn't resist mind hax
would we assume that this avatar key has a 1-A mind? If we do then i guess mind hax wouldn't work on auditor

I mean I was under the assumption unless proven otherwise the two share a mind, so it would have a 1-A mind in that scenario.

Is that not what people normally default to? That makes the most sense than having two separate minds.

 

[AThe1412]

I mean I was under the assumption unless proven otherwise the two share a mind, so it would have a 1-A mind in that scenario.

Is that not what people normally default to? That makes the most sense than having two separate minds.

It also helps if the character stays the exact same in intelligence regardless of which form they're in.