Indie Games General Discussion Thread

[Lilybitdun]

Do we have official heights for Altyss

From what I can find, no

Small planet is fair, however I put at least simply because she would at least have to be that powerful the even have power than can not only attempt to hold the world together but give people the same power to beat the Colossus. What rating would you suggest?

Well first, is there evidence magic scales to physicals?

 

[Dalesean027]

From what I can find, no

Well first, is there evidence magic scales to physicals?

Gonna have to dive into game lore for this one...I'll have to start indexing this now too then if we're doing this

Hopefully I finish Death Stranding revisions soon

 

[Lilybitdun]

I feel like her magic should scale to At most Planet level
if you took her being able to empower a party of 4 to the world tearing value as a literal multiplier (has four times the magic it would take to empower a person to the value) it would still fall into Small Planet level (5.08117064774388e30*4= 2.0324683e31). Not that I'm purposing that there should be a multiplier, it's just an example

 

[DemiiPowa]

facts, actual like super+ hypersonic shit outpacing the sound from the bell

there are possible arguments for lightspeed based on Holy Spells like Chroma Ray

 

[Lilybitdun]

there are possible arguments for lightspeed based on Holy Spells like Chroma Ray

eh it calls it a "holy ray" and doesn't call it light nor lightspeed so it's a little questionable

 

[DemiiPowa]

Gonna have to dive into game lore for this one...I'll have to start indexing this now too then if we're doing this

Hopefully I finish Death Stranding revisions soon

You can double in-game check but the physical Low 5-B scaling from:

• Being able to defeat Colossus with magic or physicals (Colossus itself is Low 5-B)
• The magic or power that the adventurers are granted to defeat the colossus comes from the guardians (Angela, Enok, etc.) Enok is Fighter class so he quite literally gives players the physical power to harm Colossus, while angela gives magic.

 

[Lilybitdun]

So level 15+ party scales to Low 5-B
is there statements for things below that level or is that more calc territory

 

[DemiiPowa]

I feel like her magic should scale to At most Planet level
if you took her being able to empower a party of 4 to the world tearing value as a literal multiplier (has four times the magic it would take to empower a person to the value) it would still fall into Small Planet level (5.08117064774388e30*4= 2.0324683e31). Not that I'm purposing that there should be a multiplier, it's just an example

I wouldn't divide it by four because it's never implied you have allies during your journey. In fact, Angela directly adresses you, the player, saying she specifically summoned your soul for help.

Although, yes, you are not the only one she has summoned to the sanctum, you are the only one that returned to Enok with the completion of defeating the Colossus.

 

[Dalesean027]

You can double in-game check but the physical Low 5-B scaling from:

• Being able to defeat Colossus with magic or physicals (Colossus itself is Low 5-B)
• The magic or power that the adventurers are granted to defeat the colossus comes from the guardians (Angela, Enok, etc.) Enok is Fighter class so he quite literally gives players the physical power to harm Colossus, while angela gives magic.

You do go stronger throughout I'm pretty sure from statements no? If so we will need other keys

eh it calls it a "holy ray" and doesn't call it light nor lightspeed so it's a little questionable

at worst you at least have supersonic~Hypersonic via the bell

 

[Lilybitdun]

I wouldn't divide it by four because it's never implied you have allies during your journey. In fact, Angela directly adresses you, the player, saying she specifically summoned your soul for help.

Although, yes, you are not the only one she has summoned to the sanctum, you are the only one that returned to Enok with the completion of defeating the Colossus.

yeah if there's canonically just one level 15+ party member then that supports At most 5-B even more tbh
since any other people she summoned wouldn't be reaching that Low 5-B rating anyways

 

[DemiiPowa]

So level 15+ party scales to Low 5-B
is there statements for things below that level or is that more calc territory

Statement for Colossus being Low 5-B:

• I see that you have aligned yourself well against the foes in Crescent Keep. Good work, lost one. It is time now to take a step further beyond the Keep, to the Crescent Grove. What you will witness there is a foul swarm of dark magics, with many of our fallen kind from ages past embracing the corruption.
  
  There are two brothers, whom I was once familiar with. They are now wicked Carbuncles, meeting the same fate the others have. The brothers created a golem, one that is capable of tearing the world asunder. We must put an end to their cowardice. Destroy the Colossus, then return to me.
  
  If you haven't done so, speak to Angela. She can guide you to the Crescent Grove. - Enok

Statement for Angela being Low 5-B:

• Quite curious you are, little one...
  I am one of the three guardians who have accompanied this land from the very beginning.
  I was once able to see all, but my magic has been stifled by... unfortunate circumstances.
  All I can muster now is to keep the broken world intertwined, and to shield Sanctum from darkness.
  Without my magic, your soul would be imprisoned, and lost forever... stuck wherever you may be. - Angela

• Before the Shattering, the world held the former pieces of the land together in mystical stitches. I must find ways to salvage this form at the best of my ability... Or else no living being here will never find a way to leave where they are. - Lexicon

I don't really have statements for anything below Low 5-B, that would likely come from feats like beating golems and boomboars

 

[Lilybitdun]

ah I meant more like if there's statements for level 1-14 section of the game

 

[DemiiPowa]

I also noticed that when you try to embed links on pages (CTRL + K) or (CTRL + SHIFT + K) it doesn't work.
Is the wiki broken, or has that been removed because I can't embed links anymore

 

[DemiiPowa]

ah I meant more like if there's statements for level 1-14 section of the game

There's quite a few but they're spread across item descriptions and NPC dialogue (based on how many missions you've done). We'd have to find which areas are accessible at which level (which is easy because of the ATLYSS wiki). I can try to gather the notable ones if thats what you're looking for

 

[Lilybitdun]

There's quite a few but they're spread across item descriptions and NPC dialogue (based on how many missions you've done). We'd have to find which areas are accessible at which level (which is easy because of the ATLYSS wiki). I can try to gather the notable ones if thats what you're looking for

Yeah that would be good

There's an official Atlyss Discord so I'm gonna see if there's any lore statements/confirmations there

 

[Dalesean027]

I did a speed calc off site and I've got Supersonic+ from the bell, I'll do more stuff later though since I gotta finish on other series

 

[Lilybitdun]

the necessary keys will probably be
Level 1-3: Start of the game
Level 4-9: When you get your skill quests (Enok states that you have gotten stronger)
Level 10-14: When you unlock classes
Level 15-27: When you fight the low 5-B colossus (might be able to merge with previous key idk)
Level 28-32: When you gain access to subclasses (None of the subclasses are finished currently)

 

[DemiiPowa]

the necessary keys will probably be
Level 1-3: Start of the game
Level 4-9: When you get your skill quests (Enok states that you have gotten stronger)
Level 10-14: When you unlock classes
Level 15-27: When you fight the low 5-B colossus (might be able to merge with previous key idk)
Level 28-32: When you gain access to subclasses (None of the subclasses are finished currently)

Oh that’s dope, I forgot he straight up says you’ve gotten stronger. That’s good to have since it shows In-universe that levels make you more powerful instead of just being a game mechanic

 

[Lilybitdun]

This seems interesting

Races

When creating a character, players have the ability to choose from a list of races. ATLYSS has a total of 5 different races to choose from; while each race has its own unique starting skill, these skills can be learned by other races via Skill Scrolls later in progression, otherwise making races...

atlyss.wiki.gg

Compact, yet sturdy. Always eager for adventure beyond their scope. Changs come from a mysterious advanced civilization, but were often outcasts and seen as troublemakers.

• The Chang race originates from a previous game created by KisSoft, titled CHANGkaBANG.
  • The description for Changs is a reference to the same game.

It seems like CHANGkaBANG is canon to ATLYSS's lore, so potential feats from that game might be applicable

 

[Lilybitdun]

I did a speed calc off site and I've got Supersonic+ from the bell, I'll do more stuff later though since I gotta finish on other series

What did you use for the heights? I was planning on getting footage and making some calcs

 

[Lilybitdun]

There's gonna be an atylss update on the 21th

 

[Lilybitdun]

I feel like Primordialis will be fun to do, haven't done stuff for small scale verses before

Something cool about Primordialis it might honestly be a pretty powerful microscopic sized verse

Creatures are able to move comparably to explosions made by explosive cells

Explosive Cell

"Explodes when destroyed or electrically activated. Explosions are larger when hot." The Explosive Cell is a cell which detonates violently when destroyed or powered with 0.5V or more. It’s extremely dangerous, so use with caution. Using Explosives on a long tail or with Breakaway Cells is one...

primordialis.wiki.gg

Same with being able to somewhat move alongside the electricity made by lightning cells (which might genuinely qualify for lightning speed)

Lightning Cell

In comparison to the Shocking cell, this cell doesn't emit lightning constanly when being powered, but only after being depowered. It's strength and range however is way higher and is based on the peak voltage during activation. Together with charging cells - or other means of creating high...

primordialis.wiki.gg

possible speed of light attack speed too

Laser Cell

"Emits a damaging laser beam when electrically activated. Will overheat when turned on for too long." Fires a laser with intensity proportional to its voltage supply. Both the laser cell and the cells hit by the laser are heated up in proportion to the laser's intensity. The laser cell heats up...

primordialis.wiki.gg

 

[Lilybitdun]

Made this to figure out what the cell size is meant to be, rn it seems like a millimeter scale is most accurate

Primordialis: Cell Size

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Lilybitdun]

Made this to figure out what the cell size is meant to be, rn it seems like a millimeter scale is most accurate

Primordialis: Cell Size

vsbattles.fandom.com

Not sure what I'm gonna do anymore since size might not be possible to figure out. Like I can still calc speed but then I'd have to make a profile that's Unknown in most stats

 

[Lilybitdun]

Made this to figure out what the cell size is meant to be, rn it seems like a millimeter scale is most accurate

Primordialis: Cell Size

vsbattles.fandom.com

The new one got accepted which is microscopic scale

Primordialis: Cell Size Redone

vsbattles.fandom.com

Now that I got sizes and masses I can start getting the rest of the feats done

 

[Lilybitdun]

Same with being able to somewhat move alongside the electricity made by lightning cells (which might genuinely qualify for lightning speed)

Lightning Cell

In comparison to the Shocking cell, this cell doesn't emit lightning constanly when being powered, but only after being depowered. It's strength and range however is way higher and is based on the peak voltage during activation. Together with charging cells - or other means of creating high...

primordialis.wiki.gg

I was making the lightning blog when I realized

Additionally, for calculations that involve lightning speed, one has to consider that the speed of real electricity can change due to a variety of factors, but for practical purposes, concerning attacks that are electricity-based, if they display power comparable to that of natural lightning, they should be considered to move at a comparable speed. It is required to show that the electricity carries an energy of at least 1.6 billion Joules or a voltage of at least 100 million Volts in order to qualify.

I have a bunch of proof of it being lightning speed but considering the whole microscopic thing I don't think 1.6 billion joules prerequisite is possible.
Does that mean it can't qualify for lightning speed?

This is what I laid out so far

 

[Lilybitdun]

 

[Dalesean027]

Finally back

 

[Lilybitdun]

I remember signing up the beta years ago, exciting to see actual progress is being made with it now

 

[Lilybitdun]

Really cool looking art style

 

[Lilybitdun]

There's gonna be an atylss update on the 21th

Update came out

ATLYSS - ATLYSS - The Controlla' Update! (112025.a1) - Steam News

Experience ATLYSS with a new option of control! ...and more!

store.steampowered.com

 

[Lilybitdun]

Honestly I should discuss this now so I don't do unnecessary math

Your Only Move Is Hustle: Speed Of The Cast

vsbattles.fandom.com

Currently I have both an end just using .357 magnum muzzle velocity and then a higher end that compares the bullets to Robot's shockwaves that he creates by falling from high enough
I had already ruled out Mutant's Shockwave move since it's super slow in-game, doesn't really act like a sound wave, and just inflates the speed ridiculously (using Mutant's shockwaves makes the bullets Hypersonic+)
Robot's shockwaves gives a much more reasonable result of the bullets of being ~4x faster (Mach 1.356 vs Mach 3.9167)

do yall think the shockwave end is viable or should I just use bullet speed?

I might just scrap the shockwave thing to lower the amount of math I gotta do

 

[MysticBrawler]

Does anyone here know about the game "Dragon Marked for Death"?

 

[Lilybitdun]

Does anyone here know about the game "Dragon Marked for Death"?

I haven't, what's it about?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Does anyone here know about the game "Dragon Marked for Death"?

Yes but only because it was in a SaltyDKDan video for a few seconds

 

[Lilybitdun]

Reminds me I gotta do more Primordialis calcs
still waiting for the speed calc to be evaluated tho
Nudge nudge cgms in the thread plz

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Reminds me I gotta do more Primordialis calcs
still waiting for the speed calc to be evaluated tho
Nudge nudge cgms in the thread plz

If it makes you feel better ive been waiting almost 8 years for some calcs to be evaluated

 

[Lilybitdun]

If it makes you feel better ive been waiting almost 8 years for some calcs to be evaluated

have you been posting them on the evaluation thread or cgm message walls?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

have you been posting them on the evaluation thread or cgm message walls?

I have yes

 

[Lilybitdun]

rip