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This should be applied now.
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Infinite Speed Downgrade for Zeus.
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After reading this very fight, I gotta disagree with the CRT.
Not only are the infinitely extending zero's meant to be dramatic, despite the pattern of his previous, holding back punches, the very next pages are about Zeus being granted the dominion of all of time and it being called a time transcending fist + we even see everyone else and everything else (like the tea standing still mid-air) being frozen in time because of this. The next chapter all talk about the Gods not even seeing a single moment of what happened to Zeus despite being locked in, implying, again, that the time that passed was literally zero
The name is not a nominal fallacy if it's described by statements and the implications to be very literal here. Zeus holding back his speed in previous moments aka when he didn't use TTF means the pattern of that speed is irrelevant to what he can do at his peak, which is what we're indexing here and suggesting a finite cap is directly saying he isn't granted the dominion of all of time or transcends time, which the author disagrees with here
In the same chapter as the feat took place, Zeus while he was young low diffed Kronos who was a God of Time (which is again, literal due to the narrative of the series) so asserting that the 0.000000... punch would have some sort of finite end simply because it is written like that is not only completely ignoring the narrative of both Kronos and Zeus, it's also ignoring the very implications of the feat itself and frankly, I wonder if anyone in this thread has even read the series at that point (except for one person here who defended it). Either way, it doesn't matter because the CRT alr has two agreements, I just wanted to lay forth my opinions on this
Not only are the infinitely extending zero's meant to be dramatic, despite the pattern of his previous, holding back punches, the very next pages are about Zeus being granted the dominion of all of time and it being called a time transcending fist + we even see everyone else and everything else (like the tea standing still mid-air) being frozen in time because of this. The next chapter all talk about the Gods not even seeing a single moment of what happened to Zeus despite being locked in, implying, again, that the time that passed was literally zero
The name is not a nominal fallacy if it's described by statements and the implications to be very literal here. Zeus holding back his speed in previous moments aka when he didn't use TTF means the pattern of that speed is irrelevant to what he can do at his peak, which is what we're indexing here and suggesting a finite cap is directly saying he isn't granted the dominion of all of time or transcends time, which the author disagrees with here
In the same chapter as the feat took place, Zeus while he was young low diffed Kronos who was a God of Time (which is again, literal due to the narrative of the series) so asserting that the 0.000000... punch would have some sort of finite end simply because it is written like that is not only completely ignoring the narrative of both Kronos and Zeus, it's also ignoring the very implications of the feat itself and frankly, I wonder if anyone in this thread has even read the series at that point (except for one person here who defended it). Either way, it doesn't matter because the CRT alr has two agreements, I just wanted to lay forth my opinions on this
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This exactly ^^^
Infinite Zeus/Adam is more than accounted for to make it a possibility like it was (MFTL+, possibly Infinite) since you can most definitely take that interpretation, AND it has external points and contextual links to it. Theres no reason to disregard it as is because people dont think thats how infinity works (we don't actually know how the timeframe panel ends)
It was fine as is, and actively made the wiki seem less impartial on the topic as it should be (since TFTST is also a huge debate within the RoR community in itself)
Infinite Zeus/Adam is more than accounted for to make it a possibility like it was (MFTL+, possibly Infinite) since you can most definitely take that interpretation, AND it has external points and contextual links to it. Theres no reason to disregard it as is because people dont think thats how infinity works (we don't actually know how the timeframe panel ends)
It was fine as is, and actively made the wiki seem less impartial on the topic as it should be (since TFTST is also a huge debate within the RoR community in itself)
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It's already finished, m8.
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Just a simple downgrade based on logical thinking.
I don't think The Fist That Surpassed Time should be infinite due to the fact that just because we don't see what lies ahead of of the 20ish zeroes does not mean that it is indeed infinite. In fact all previous abilities that Zeus used have the exact same pattern where it all ended with a single 1 behind behind a bunch of zeroes. Safe to say, it should remain as MFTL+ as opposed to infinite.
Another thing to mention, is that the ability is quite similar to Time Manipulation which further blurs whether or not The Fist That Surpasses Time is actually infinite by itself OR is infinite because of its inherent time stopping quality.
i found these scans saying that tftst disregards concept of timeJust a simple downgrade based on logical thinking.
I don't think The Fist That Surpassed Time should be infinite due to the fact that just because we don't see what lies ahead of of the 20ish zeroes does not mean that it is indeed infinite. In fact all previous abilities that Zeus used have the exact same pattern where it all ended with a single 1 behind behind a bunch of zeroes. Safe to say, it should remain as MFTL+ as opposed to infinite.
Another thing to mention, is that the ability is quite similar to Time Manipulation which further blurs whether or not The Fist That Surpasses Time is actually infinite by itself OR is infinite because of its inherent time stopping quality.
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just did
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it says that tftst disregards/ignores the concept of time
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do you mean the charging he needs for it? He doesnt need it in adamas form there he can spam it alongsided other moves
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I know, the charging thing was just evidently a hype effect.
Maybe he needs some time to get into full power or whatever, but otherwise he can spam TFTST
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