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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
We’ll do this as part of the CRT for the new Yoda profile
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Not quite cool, IMO, to add something to my work without talking to me.
I'm not unacessable, please don't do this again.

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Might be a good idea to provide clarification on the sandbox so people understand better
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Seems good to me, could you make an example on how you would rephrase that part?

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
This also got the thumbs up: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Hagane_no_Saiyajin/Obi-Wan_deflects_laser
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Verse-wise revision of LS and Speed, omfg
 
Ok, we have to take off from somewhere to revise the profiles... So i'll stop the Yoda stuff to try doing it
Reformeeeeeed

(Case 1) H6-A Ap:
Since this is done by High-Republic knights and the impressive guys we follow throught 1-9-ish era(s) are regarded as some of the most impressive ever, we must apply this to....every force user, there, basically.

(Case 2) Relativistic Speed:
Another case where many should be able to do it, but in this case we should only apply to those who scale to CW Obi and above...a tiny bit more excluding and stressful.

(Case 3) Class M LS:
Very similar to Case 2 but another tiny bit more excluding, since we're talking Grievous and only RotS fellas should scale to him

Anakin, Obi (yes, he will be reformed properly, but still), Ki-Adi Mundi, Quinlan Vos, Plo-Koon, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Pong Krell, Cere Junda, Qui-Gon
All should be 1 and 2

Yoda, Windu, Kit Fisto and Cal
All should be 1 and 2


Ahsoka
-CW should be "At most" 2
-End of CW & Rebels and Onward (Better name of the key IMO) should be 1 and 2

Luke
-p-ANH should be "At most" 2
-ESB and everything else should be 1 and 2

Kanan and Ezra
No clue, you tell me

Sidious, Vader, Asajj, Dooku, Grievous, Maul, Opress and Kylo Ren (Rey by extension)
-1 and 2

Moff Gideon, Boba, Cad Bane and IG-88
-2 due to comparing to Mando, who fought good against Ahsoka

So far, so good?
 
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noninho said:
(Case 1) H6-A Ap:
Since this is done by High-Republic knights and the impressive guys we follow throught 1-9-ish era(s) are regarded as some of the most impressive ever, we must apply this to....every force user, there, basically.
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I don't know how strong the High Republic's Jedi were, but I think at the very least Jedi masters should be comparable.

noninho said:
(Case 3) Class M LS:
Very similar to Case 2 but another tiny bit more excluding, since we're talking Grievous and only RotS fellas should scale to him
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Grievous's value is lower than Kanan/Erza's, so it doesn't affect other force users.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know how strong the High Republic's Jedi were, but I think at the very least Jedi masters should be comparable.
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Since the guys who're listed are some of the craziest biggest baddest mfs even if they aren't masters, think the list should be good then

Phsccarvalho said:
Grievous's value is lower than Kanan/Erza's, so it doesn't affect other force users.
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Then we don't apply it anywhere..?
 
noninho said:
wym Palpatine had by far the fastest technique EVER and he got back decades later just to be defeated by Rey doing pretty much what Windu was doing, but this time with others' help?
whoever made the sequels HATE him, can't be anything else
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Curiousity got the better of me and I ended up comparing Palp's feat to Spongebob's.

Spongbob's feat is still faster by over 2.32141E+65 times (and this is using the high end)!
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Curiousity got the better of me and I ended up comparing Palp's feat to Spongebob's.

Spongbob's feat is still faster by over 2.32141E+65 times!
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I just imagine Spongebob karate'ing Sidious to death and then getting his soul into a bottle with the jellyfish net
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@noninho How does Kenobi compare to Fisto? Because we do see Kit Fisto and Nahdar Vebb clashing with Grievous in the Episode Lair of Grievous.
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IMO:
OWK > RotS > Kit Fisto > Ben Kenobi = CW

Fisto also outmaneuvered Grievous in a CW episode, which i don't think it's the one you mentioned cuz at that moment he was alone
 
noninho said:
IMO:
OWK > RotS > Kit Fisto > Ben Kenobi = CW

Fisto also outmaneuvered Grievous in a CW episode, which i don't think it's the one you mentioned cuz at that moment he was alone
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Also Nahdar was a Jedi Knight at the time of the episode and was able to grapple with Grievous’ sabers, wouldn’t the Jedi Masters be above Nahdar in LS just by virtue of Masters being more powerful than Knights?
 
noninho said:
Ok, we have to take off from somewhere to revise the profiles... So i'll stop the Yoda stuff to try doing it
Reformeeeeeed

(Case 1) H6-A Ap:
Since this is done by High-Republic knights and the impressive guys we follow throught 1-9-ish era(s) are regarded as some of the most impressive ever, we must apply this to....every force user, there, basically.

(Case 2) Relativistic Speed:
Another case where many should be able to do it, but in this case we should only apply to those who scale to CW Obi and above...a tiny bit more excluding and stressful.

(Case 3) Class M LS:
Very similar to Case 2 but another tiny bit more excluding, since we're talking Grievous and only RotS fellas should scale to him

Anakin, Obi (yes, he will be reformed properly, but still), Ki-Adi Mundi, Quinlan Vos, Plo-Koon, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Pong Krell, Cere Junda, Qui-Gon
All should be 1 and 2

Yoda, Windu, Kit Fisto and Cal
All should be 1 and 2


Ahsoka
-CW should be "At most" 2
-End of CW & Rebels and Onward (Better name of the key IMO) should be 1 and 2

Luke
-p-ANH should be "At most" 2
-ESB and everything else should be 1 and 2

Kanan and Ezra
No clue, you tell me

Sidious, Vader, Asajj, Dooku, Grievous, Maul, Opress and Kylo Ren (Rey by extension)
-1 and 2

Moff Gideon, Boba, Cad Bane and IG-88
-2 due to comparing to Mando, who fought good against Ahsoka

So far, so good?
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changes were applied
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Also Nahdar was a Jedi Knight at the time of the episode and was able to grapple with Grievous’ sabers, wouldn’t the Jedi Masters be above Nahdar in LS just by virtue of Masters being more powerful than Knights?
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not necessarily true, no
You can be a master that's good af with the force and ass at dueling, even be a council member (See Ki-Adi Mundi and poor Qui-Gon)
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
If you know, if we want to continue low balling Palps, then he should be above Vitiate who is comparable to the World Razor which contained by Belsavis' power core.

I'll just leave leave this here to look at: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Hagane_no_Saiyajin/Belsavis'_power_core
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How do you know Belsavis' power core isn't just built different?

literally 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the power could come from the world razor and you wouldn't know.
 
noninho said:
Ok, we have to take off from somewhere to revise the profiles... So i'll stop the Yoda stuff to try doing it
Reformeeeeeed

(Case 1) H6-A Ap:
Since this is done by High-Republic knights and the impressive guys we follow throught 1-9-ish era(s) are regarded as some of the most impressive ever, we must apply this to....every force user, there, basically.

(Case 2) Relativistic Speed:
Another case where many should be able to do it, but in this case we should only apply to those who scale to CW Obi and above...a tiny bit more excluding and stressful.

(Case 3) Class M LS:
Very similar to Case 2 but another tiny bit more excluding, since we're talking Grievous and only RotS fellas should scale to him

Anakin, Obi (yes, he will be reformed properly, but still), Ki-Adi Mundi, Quinlan Vos, Plo-Koon, Shaak Ti, Luminara Unduli, Pong Krell, Cere Junda, Qui-Gon
All should be 1 and 2

Yoda, Windu, Kit Fisto and Cal
All should be 1 and 2


Ahsoka
-CW should be "At most" 2
-End of CW & Rebels and Onward (Better name of the key IMO) should be 1 and 2

Luke
-p-ANH should be "At most" 2
-ESB and everything else should be 1 and 2

Kanan and Ezra
No clue, you tell me

Sidious, Vader, Asajj, Dooku, Grievous, Maul, Opress and Kylo Ren (Rey by extension)
-1 and 2

Moff Gideon, Boba, Cad Bane and IG-88
-2 due to comparing to Mando, who fought good against Ahsoka

So far, so good?
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If you follow what is currently accepted, all MHS scales to this relativistic feat of Obi-Wan (which was previously this MHS).

Luke 8-C himself has this because he reacts to IG-1000, which reacts to Ahsoka, which reacts to Grievos, etc.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If you follow what is currently accepted, all MHS scales to this relativistic feat of Obi-Wan (which was previously this MHS).

Luke 8-C himself has this because he reacts to IG-1000, which reacts to Ahsoka, which reacts to Grievos, etc.
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Saying he was able to reasonably react to Manga Guards is extremely generous, he got his ass whooped
 
It will never not be funny to me that Mara Jade and Luke Skywalker of all people once struggled to defeat a rusty Droideka.
 
noninho said:
IMO:
OWK > RotS > Kit Fisto > Ben Kenobi = CW

Fisto also outmaneuvered Grievous in a CW episode, which i don't think it's the one you mentioned cuz at that moment he was alone
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I was going to cite Maul Rebels as an argument for Old Obi-Wan being stronger than the CW version of him.

But I found things saying that the Maul (Rebels) is weaker than before.
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eidt: I usually only send scans when I know the exact source. But I'll send this here just to have something to think about.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I was going to cite Maul Rebels as an argument for Old Obi-Wan being stronger than the CW version of him.

But I found things saying that the Maul (Rebels) is weaker than before.
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eidt: I usually only send scans when I know the exact source. But I'll send this here just to have something to think about.
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vsbattles.com

Mark Hamill vs Mark Hamill (Star Wars vs Darksiders)

Oh yes, this is a horrible idea. Speed Equal Battle takes place in Dalaran Both characters are at their respective 8-A levels, so there's hardly an AP edge for Mark Hamill They start 196.85 inches away from eachother The Parasite: 0 Hero of the Rebellion: 0
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
I am now haunting your GOAT's son. Again.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I was going to cite Maul Rebels as an argument for Old Obi-Wan being stronger than the CW version of him.

But I found things saying that the Maul (Rebels) is weaker than before.
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eidt: I usually only send scans when I know the exact source. But I'll send this here just to have something to think about.
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Well, this weaker Maul would probably be able to hold his own for a while against ANH Vader, like Ben Kenobi did, so it's not thaaaaaaat sad
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If you follow what is currently accepted, all MHS scales to this relativistic feat of Obi-Wan (which was previously this MHS).

Luke 8-C himself has this because he reacts to IG-1000, which reacts to Ahsoka, which reacts to Grievos, etc.
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i couldn't understand what you meant about luke, mind rephrasing?

All MHS, right, so
(note: this was made following the verse page order. Why are there 2 unexisting profiles and nothing about Grogu?)
Luke (All keys)
Ezra Bridger (All keys)
Kanan (All keys)
Sabine Wren (All keys, due to Mandalorian equipment)
Finn
Rey
Sidious (All keys)
Vader (All keys)
G. Inquisitor
2nd sister
7th sister
9th sister
Moff Gideon (Scaling to Mando who scaled to Adult Ahsoka)
Snoke
Kylo Ren (All keys)
Ani (All keys)
Obi (All keys)
Yoda
Windu
Mundi
Plo Koon
Fisto
Shaak Ti
Qui-Gon
Luminara Unduli
Quinlan Vos
Pong Krell
Ahsoka
Cere
Cal
Dooku
Grievous
Ventress
Boba
Jango
Cad Bane
IG-88
Mother Talzin
Maul (All keys)
Opress
Krismo Sodi
Ursa Wren
Mando (All keys)
 
noninho said:
i couldn't understand what you meant about luke, mind rephrasing?

All MHS, right, so
(note: this was made following the verse page order. Why are there 2 unexisting profiles and nothing about Grogu?)
Luke (All keys)
Ezra Bridger (All keys)
Kanan (All keys)
Sabine Wren (All keys, due to Mandalorian equipment)
Finn
Rey
Sidious (All keys)
Vader (All keys)
G. Inquisitor
2nd sister
7th sister
9th sister
Moff Gideon (Scaling to Mando who scaled to Adult Ahsoka)
Snoke
Kylo Ren (All keys)
Ani (All keys)
Obi (All keys)
Yoda
Windu
Mundi
Plo Koon
Fisto
Shaak Ti
Qui-Gon
Luminara Unduli
Quinlan Vos
Pong Krell
Ahsoka
Cere
Cal
Dooku
Grievous
Ventress
Boba
Jango
Cad Bane
IG-88
Mother Talzin
Maul (All keys)
Opress
Krismo Sodi
Ursa Wren
Mando (All keys)
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I can apply/help applying this as soon as i finish the main task atm: reading yoda's unending comics and books (i swear, after all this time there are still 31 left)
 
so like what are things I need to do to make a crt on the force ues shit (to get the Telekinesis scaled to their Force amp physical LS), cuz I could try making a crt
 
noninho said:
Well, this weaker Maul would probably be able to hold his own for a while against ANH Vader, like Ben Kenobi did, so it's not thaaaaaaat sad
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You mean the dude who got shit stomped by Ben in three moves because he read him like a book? You want that guy to face a version of Vader who is at worst equal to Ben in skill and power according to a single source and at best leagues above him but was being overly cautious incase Ben pulled out some new shit, hence why he didn't just stomp him out the gate according to most other sources.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
You mean the dude who got shit stomped by Ben in three moves because he read him like a book? You want that guy to face a version of Vader who is at worst equal to Ben in skill and power according to a single source and at best leagues above him but was being overly cautious incase Ben pulled out some new shit, hence why he didn't just stomp him out the gate according to most other sources.
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yeah, didn't know it was such a stomp cuz i haven't watched rebels
Forget what i said
 
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