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Feat from Big Chill above universal

Mythic381 said:
You kind of repeated the same argument, it seems to me like all it genuinely does is the destabilization happening via drilling a hole is simply causing a chain reaction, not that the drill itself was causing the destruction.
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I don't really fear that it won't happen again, because there's not much to add. The lines I showed kind of prove the opposite, because Max admits that it's happening faster than expected. They even tell Pierce to gather the team because time is running out, besides the lack of evidence that it's a chain reaction. so I believe it is not possible to categorize this destruction as a chain reaction.
 
Scarlet_Kaiser said:
I don't really fear that it won't happen again, because there's not much to add. The lines I showed kind of prove the opposite, because Max admits that it's happening faster than expected. They even tell Pierce to gather the team because time is running out, besides the lack of evidence that it's a chain reaction. so I believe it is not possible to categorize this destruction as a chain reaction.
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Non of your evidence go against it being a chain reaction???
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
This feat was mentioned in a CRT about a year ago, and I've never understood it since.

Destroying a weapon's bullet and destroying the weapon itself are two different things. The size of the drill doesn't affect its destructive power. It seems to hinder the drill's ability to function.

Also, this could simply be the drill's hax. For example, in YYH, Kuwabara had a sword that could cut through spacetime, but this wasn't interpreted as a result of his power, but rather as the sword's inherent hax. It could be a drill with a low 2-C hax. After all, technology is very advanced in the Ben 10 series, so it's not impossible.

Also, there are many contradictions in Ben 10 episodes that don't align with each other. The events in this episode don't significantly impact the subsequent story. The information that the Plumber Kids met Grandpa Max influences the subsequent episodes. DR. The next time we see Animo, the events of this episode don't even come up.
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I think I made it very clear in my argument that I am not considering freezing the drill = High 3-A, but rather that the ice has durability to the point that the force generated by the drill does not affect it = High 3-A. It's kind of obvious that destroying the weapon does not make it resistant to the bullet fired, otherwise Ben in human form would have achieved something absurd.



I understand your example, but I would end up repeating what I said at the beginning of this answer.



Many of the Ben 10 episodes mention or reference each other, so saying that it's not canonical because of a lack of mentions won't change whether it's canon or not, besides there being no contradiction to the literal mention of this episode at the end of the first season, where Max appears and the episode where Sunder cuts off Ben's hand, trapping him in the Null Void. He doesn't wander aimlessly there, he searches for the old base that Max used to stop Animo, in addition to the events of Ben being trapped because of Sunder being mentioned in the first episode of UA, so it being non-canonical is out of the question.
 
Apollonir.Scale said:
I remembered this now that you wrote it. Max was coming to say he was done with Null Void.

We've seen examples of some events from previous chapters being forgotten/ignored with the new chapters in the story. So I thought this might be the case for this chapter as well.
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The series makes it clear when he took recton, so that can't be the case.
 
Firestorm808 said:
I still disagree.

The scripts:
Alien: This entire dimension is becoming destabilized.
#
Uh, Mr. Wrench, I don't mean to get in the middle of your war, but this whole dimension is destabilizing
#
Manny: D'void burns the cormite in this furnace, which feeds his dimensional bore, which is literally ripping a hole in the barrier between the two dimensions.
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Animo: It's a shame to have to end this, but I've almost drilled through the dimensional wall, and I have a whole planet to conquer.

The AP needed to over time drill through the dimensional wall and the energy to immediately destroy a dimension in an explosion are two different things. I again refer to my chain reaction example. The former would be an unknown value but still less than the latter.
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Just because the drill is generating so much energy that it destabilizes the Null Void, it still gets High 3-A. Whether it's a minor or major scale, it doesn't matter to me, it's not much interference, so we come back to the same conclusion: Big Chill high 3-A.
 
Oh whoops, I got into the (now deleted) base Ben stuff but forgot to say my thoughts on the actual thread.

Anyways I disagree. Not just for the reasons already given by Firestorm and others, but also because this is just a huge outlier. The 4-B ratings we currently have are already pushing it imo, but this is another 5 whole tiers higher than that feat and has no other feats even remotely supporting it. One alien having a contentiously universal feat is not grounds for scaling hundreds of characters I fear.
 
Scarlet_Kaiser said:
I cited this example because he thought I believed that destroying the weapon = resisting the bullet's movement.



No big deal, sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
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To reiterate, what AP value are you attributing to drilling a hole in the dimensional wall?

Is there another feat on the site that you are equating the value to?
 
Firestorm808 said:
The scripts:
Alien: This entire dimension is becoming destabilized.
#
Uh, Mr. Wrench, I don't mean to get in the middle of your war, but this whole dimension is destabilizing
#
Manny: D'void burns the cormite in this furnace, which feeds his dimensional bore, which is literally ripping a hole in the barrier between the two dimensions.
#
Animo: It's a shame to have to end this, but I've almost drilled through the dimensional wall, and I have a whole planet to conquer.

The AP needed to over time drill through the dimensional wall and the energy to immediately destroy a dimension in an explosion are two different things. I again refer to my chain reaction example. The former would be an unknown value but still less than the latter.
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I agree with you. This seems like a destabilization feat that happened overtime, which is different from one-shotting the dimension. Additionally, the drill wasn't stopped, but the energy supply was cut off, which also adds more negatives to the feat.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I agree with you. This seems like a destabilization feat that happened overtime, which is different from one-shotting the dimension. Additionally, the drill wasn't stopped, but the energy supply was cut off, which also adds more negatives to the feat.
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That's 2 mod disagreements there.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I agree with you. This seems like a destabilization feat that happened overtime, which is different from one-shotting the dimension. Additionally, the drill wasn't stopped, but the energy supply was cut off, which also adds more negatives to the feat.
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In this we still the light of Kormite energy when the drill cover by ice so the energy not get cut off but instead the drill stop instantly by the hard of the ice when it covers
 
Quang230 said:
In this we still the light of Kormite energy when the drill cover by ice so the energy not get cut off but instead the drill stop instantly by the hard of the ice when it covers
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And what do you propose that the rational energy of the drill to be equal to?
 
Firestorm808 said:
And what do you propose that the rational energy of the drill to be equal to?
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Well I'm not sure if it same but super saiyan god Goku fist clash with Beerus despite not instantly destroy the universe but if continue it will until Goku raise his power to equal Beerus punch and able neutralize the shock wave. The Null void also be disintegrate despite take longer time because the drill force to dripping a hole between two dimensions so unless i misunderstood something the ice of Big Chill hard enough to instantly stop the drill is High 3-A or Low 2-C maybe?
 
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