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Honkai: Star Rail 3-B rescaling

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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I am pretty such that Acheron stated that Emanators overall were on the same level, which includes Lord Ravagers, Emanators of Destruction
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Lord Ravagers have the potential to destroy a very specific Aeon through Destruction but this is not something replicable by other Emanators or even other Lord Ravagers.

Also, pretty sure there in one of those CN 3.7 countdown shorts, it’s directly stated that Irontomb is above every other Lord Ravager (including Zephyro 🥀) when it attempts to kill Nous. So I believe that all Lord Ravagers should scale to galaxy, and up to hyperversal through the eventual maximization of Destruction. But it seems reallyyy odd to cross-scale this to other emanators who are incapable of killing Aeons.
 
Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
I am pretty such that Acheron stated that Emanators overall were on the same level, which includes Lord Ravagers, Emanators of Destruction
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I think this needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis. I agree with Acheron's assertion that you need the same power as an Emanator to be able to compete with him. However, I disagree that this should be applied to just any Emanator in terms of power. Honestly, excluding the Path of Erudition, I don't see why Herta (for example) should be the same power as 3-B Phainon.

(Just keep in mind that I disagree with a blanket approach but am open to a case-by-case discussion regarding Emanators.)
 
Super_Nova said:
Lord Ravagers have the potential to destroy a very specific Aeon through Destruction but this is not something replicable by other Emanators or even other Lord Ravagers.

Also, pretty sure there in one of those CN 3.7 countdown shorts, it’s directly stated that Irontomb is above every other Lord Ravager (including Zephyro 🥀) when it attempts to kill Nous. So I believe that all Lord Ravagers should scale to galaxy, and up to hyperversal through the eventual maximization of Destruction. But it seems reallyyy odd to cross-scale this to other emanators who are incapable of killing Aeons.
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It said that a completed irontomb is stronger than the level of an emanator for the countdown
 
Ayato256 said:
I think this needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis. I agree with Acheron's assertion that you need the same power as an Emanator to be able to compete with him. However, I disagree that this should be applied to just any Emanator in terms of power. Honestly, excluding the Path of Erudition, I don't see why Herta (for example) should be the same power as 3-B Phainon.

(Just keep in mind that I disagree with a blanket approach but am open to a case-by-case discussion regarding Emanators.)
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Are you disagreeing with certain Emanators being comparable to each other simply because you believe their Aeons don't lean towards destructive stuff and etc? You know that although Lygus is an Emanator of Erudition, he is very capable in fighting, and the writers themselves as well as Evernight and Black Swan don't seem to believe in a big gap in power between Emanators just because they are from different Paths. Lord Ravagers simply has a better portrayal because, well, destructive feats are their job after all
 
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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Are you disagreeing with certain Emanators being comparable to one another simply because you believe their Aeons don't lean towards destructive stuff and etc? You know that although Lygus is an Emanator of Erudition, he is very capable in fighting, and the writers themselves as well as Evernight and Black Swan don't seem to believe in a big gap in power between Emanators just because they are from different Paths. Lord Ravagers simply has a better portrayal because, well, destructive feats are their job after all
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Alongside the Arbiter Generals being on par/equal to the Lord Ravagers

Herta and Lygus clashing resulting in a mutual destruction

The clash between 3 emanators bringing devasting destruction
 
Dont even put Irontomb into discussion abt emanator scaling when coronated irontomb (complete one) is literally beyond emanator as a ******* power level and one shots cosmos on a data level and can steal nous head (stopped by GER from cyrene and plot)
 
PedjaTarzan said:
Dont even put Irontomb into discussion abt emanator scaling when coronated irontomb (complete one) is literally beyond emanator as a ******* power level and one shots cosmos on a data level and can steal nous head (stopped by GER from cyrene and plot)
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Yeah this statement looks really straightforward that a completed irontomb's levels are above what an emanators strength is supposed to be (all emanators including lord ravagers)

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Enryu_The_Red_Tower said:
Are you disagreeing with certain Emanators being comparable to one another simply because you believe their Aeons don't lean towards destructive stuff and etc? You know that although Lygus is an Emanator of Erudition, he is very capable in fighting, and the writers themselves as well as Evernight and Black Swan don't seem to believe in a big gap in power between Emanators just because they are from different Paths. Lord Ravagers simply has a better portrayal because, well, destructive feats are their job after all
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Never mind, I can't find a suitable way to answer you, and honestly, I don't want to make the CRT longer than necessary
The only thing I manage to say is that I disagree
 
Ayato256 said:
Never mind, I can't find a suitable way to answer you, and honestly, I don't want to make the CRT longer than necessary
The only thing I manage to say is that I disagree
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lets use feats only and make lord ravagers be quintillion times above other emanators (ignore how jing yuan an emanator fought lord ravager, and how mc and dpht and m7 fought irontomb before his completition and is stated to be LR level)
i love to see this every day
 
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CastoriceTheFifth said:
Yeah this statement looks really straightforward that a completed irontomb's levels are above what an emanators strength is supposed to be (all emanators including lord ravagers)

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Basically like 10 statements of all emanators being comparable to each other. The one time this wasn’t the case is a statement where it just says that a completed irontomb’s levels are above what an emanators is supposed to be (including lord ravagers), making completed Irontomb the exception.
 
I would like to note as well, Zephyro is specifically the one with the incinerate Galaxies statement/feat. He is considered above the other Lord Ravagers and the Astral Express's most fearsome foe. So probably shouldn't scale other Emanators to that tbh.
 
Mageman460 said:
I would like to note as well, Zephyro is specifically the one with the incinerate Galaxies statement/feat. He is considered above the other Lord Ravagers and the Astral Express's most fearsome foe. So probably shouldn't scale other Emanators to that tbh.
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(Ignoring the fact that theres like 10 statements of Emanators being comparable to each other)

No. Zephryo isnt the only one with the incinerate galaxies statement. It says all lord ravagers are capable of incinerating galaxies. Zephryo has a random feat of destroying the Tia'nua galaxy.

Like cmon its 2 for 2 now with these statements
 
Mageman460 said:
I would like to note as well, Zephyro is specifically the one with the incinerate Galaxies statement/feat. He is considered above the other Lord Ravagers and the Astral Express's most fearsome foe. So probably shouldn't scale other Emanators to that tbh.
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The one used on the profiles states that all Lord Ravagers being able to incinerate galaxies, so idk about that?

Though I do recall someone saying it's a mistranslation and it actually refers to Solar Systems, is that true or?
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The one used on the profiles states that all Lord Ravagers being able to incinerate galaxies, so idk about that?

Though I do recall someone saying it's a mistranslation and it actually refers to Solar Systems, is that true or?
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Not a solar system, but they're retconned as star systems yeah. If you play the game and get through that dialogue, it said star systems instead of galaxies but star systems in HSR are huge anyway since we have Asdana as a star system supposedly as atleast 2 million lightyears and Welkin Empire being stated to have tens of thousands of lightyears and various star systems. The terminology star system and galaxy is like used interchangeably so it's difficult to interpret, you have one side saying Asdana is a star system through the wiki, the statements and so on and the other saying Asdana is a galaxy through what Acheron said
 
Voidnether said:
Not a solar system, but they're retconned as star systems yeah. If you play the game and get through that dialogue, it said star systems instead of galaxies but star systems in HSR are huge anyway since we have Asdana as a star system supposedly as atleast 2 million lightyears and Welkin Empire being stated to have tens of thousands of lightyears and various star systems. The terminology star system and galaxy is like used interchangeably so it's difficult to interpret, you have one side saying Asdana is a star system through the wiki, the statements and so on and the other saying Asdana is a galaxy through what Acheron said
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Fair enough, but tbf, galaxies irl also do immensely vary in size, so eh.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Fair enough, but tbf, galaxies irl also do immensely vary in size, so eh.
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I mean we still have Zephyro destroying the Tia'nua galaxy, it's still a galaxy there just the Overlords incinerating entire galaxies retconned to star systems
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The one used on the profiles states that all Lord Ravagers being able to incinerate galaxies, so idk about that?

Though I do recall someone saying it's a mistranslation and it actually refers to Solar Systems, is that true or?
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This happens in chinese media here and there. The word used for galaxy can also be used for “star system”, but that itself is a vague term and it should just honestly be assumed to be the former. I believe the others already addressed that properly in the previous messages though.
 
Voidnether said:
Actually, Phanes separated the planet Teyvat from the universe, disconnecting it.
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I think, I see you always equate the genshin and HSR cases even though the 2 fictions will have different cases, this is CRT hsr not CRT genshin, so I just suggest not to equate 1 case with another case even though they are 2 different fictions, even having different terminology
 
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Furina003 said:
I think, I see you always equate the genshin and HSR cases even though the 2 fictions will have different cases, this is CRT hsr not CRT genshin, so I just suggest not to equate 1 case with another case even though they are 2 different fictions, even having different terminology
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I thought genshin was in the imaginary tree?
 
Voidnether said:
I thought genshin was in the imaginary tree?
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I always thought they're on a different Universe but the same Cosmology (Imaginary Tree). Genshin literally have a whole different terminology than both Honkai. So, bringing Genshin as an example here is kinda.. not right, i'd say.
 
Sahlwrld said:
I always thought they're on a different Universe but the same Cosmology (Imaginary Tree). Genshin literally have a whole different terminology than both Honkai. So, bringing Genshin as an example here is kinda.. not right, i'd say.
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They both still suffer with how Hoyoverse used the terminology altogether, like Teyvat is a planet or its just a continent and so on

Of course the general terminology is different, everyone knows that. It's not like someone is going to equate Light to Imaginary, or Void to Quantum or the Abyss to Black Tide and so on but in terms of worldbuilding it's pretty much the same lol
 
lowkey it hurts me i overcomplicated this so simple crt vro
💔 just let this one finish at least previous 2 are still stuck in limbo bro
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
While I am aware this 3-C+ clalculation from Herta exists, this one is really dubious as we're not giving much context as to whether it not Herta created those galaxies or if they're simply background. It wouldn't make much particular sense for Herta to create galaxies anyway given the whole scene is focusing baking a cake.
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and about this, as far as i know you must make a CGM thread regarding this no? bcs i always see people do that before making crt of removing that scaling, so if thats the case you must first revert characters to this calc and then to what you proposed after you get rid of the calc, if no then nuke it ASAP
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
The one used on the profiles states that all Lord Ravagers being able to incinerate galaxies, so idk about that?

Though I do recall someone saying it's a mistranslation and it actually refers to Solar Systems, is that true or?
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星系 means galaxy and 恒星系 means stellar system
The synogram that relates to the solar system is quite different from the other two.(太阳系)
I don't have the CN text of the LR, but it seems to me that it was about the 1st option (星系)
 
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