Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

[Nonynho]

Nah. From Rebels, at most Ahsoka. It's stated by WOG that at that time only Vader and the Emperor could truly face her.

And even with some statements of her doing well and matching Vader, she had to retreat fearing for her life at one point in the fight and would have died in the end without Erza's intervention.

By "Above" i mean in the power sense of things, not on timeline's.

Ahsoka, Luke, Endor (& p-Endor) Sidious, put a "Probably" in OWK's Obi and people who scale to the guy.

And that would apply to a select few more* due to the H7-C being a Yoda feat, i believe RotS Sidious and "Possibly" Windu

Anyone else or anyone that shouldn't be here?

 

[Nonynho]

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This is what i got so far... Anything to say before another 30 books, y'all have?

I also reinforce that i'd like to know if anyone has inputs rn before i read more bizillion books

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Furthermore, I think pitting a gunslinger against Vader isn't exactly a good idea.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

By "Above" i mean in the power sense of things, not on timeline's.

Ahsoka, Luke, Endor (& p-Endor) Sidious, put a "Probably" in OWK's Obi and people who scale to the guy.

And that would apply to a select few more* due to the H7-C being a Yoda feat, i believe RotS Sidious and "Possibly" Windu

Anyone else or anyone that shouldn't be here?

Are you talking about High 7-C or Low 7-C?

Like I said, it doesn't make sense in your sandbox to put "Low 7-C, High 7-C with the Force". The Force is UES. Besides, Low 7-C was also made with the Force.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I also reinforce that i'd like to know if anyone has inputs rn before i read more bizillion books

Still think this image should be included for Ghost Yoda:

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Like I said, it doesn't make sense in your sandbox to put "Low 7-C, High 7-C with the Force". The Force is UES. Besides, Low 7-C was also made with the Force.

I always think it is best give the tier/AP of a Force user of "Varies, [insert tier] at peak"

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I also reinforce that i'd like to know if anyone has inputs rn before i read more bizillion books

Also would you say the Self-Sustenance stuff also counts a Body Control?

Also for the Telekinesis: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...da_vs_Mountains?commentId=4400000000003848744

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Like I said, it doesn't make sense in your sandbox to put "Low 7-C, High 7-C with the Force". The Force is UES. Besides, Low 7-C was also made with the Force.

Also, if we're going to now upgrade everyone to High 7-C, why don't we upgrade them to 6-B or 5-C?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Also, if we're going to now upgrade everyone to High 7-C, why don't we upgrade them to 6-B or 5-C?

From what I see, the calculations were not accepted.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

From what I see, the calculations were not accepted.

Yet, they are not accepted yet

 

[Nonynho]

goat Solo

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Is having an aura that can distract someone some kind of indexable power?

Lord Momim died because when the Jedi appeared to him, the light side that came with them caused him to lose focus on his force lightning, and he ended up killing himself.

 

[Nonynho]

Still think this image should be included for Ghost Yoda:

When i get the reforms approved, i'll bring something like this to a certain thread and ask them to do it, cuz i SUCK at image manip'ing

Also would you say the Self-Sustenance stuff also counts a Body Control?

Not at all, cuz he just don't seem to eat or sleep when those events i described occur. Probably if we saw or had a description that indicated such.

Are you talking about High 7-C or Low 7-C?

Like I said, it doesn't make sense in your sandbox to put "Low 7-C, High 7-C with the Force". The Force is UES. Besides, Low 7-C was also made with the Force.

My bad, yesterday was quite demanding of attention and you're correct.
Let's consider that i was speaking about H7-C with that list that i made

Will remove the L7-C from the sandbox

Yet, they are not accepted yet

Bring that 5-C stuff to the wiki so it gets a slightly higher chance of being accepted. If it gets approved at all, then anyone Obi level or higher should get 5-C rating, cuz they're objectively more powerful in the force than the guys in the High-Republic era were...

Also, if we can quantify power ups (Example: "because of this scan, we can conclude that Rebels' Vader was 2x stronger than P-Mustafar Vader") we may see 5-Bs in the verse

 

[DaReaperMan]

When i get the reforms approved, i'll bring something like this to a certain thread and ask them to do it, cuz i SUCK at image manip'ing

That is also NOT the image you want to use for a render. WAY too low quality.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Not at all, cuz he just don't seem to eat or sleep when those events i described occur. Probably if we saw or had a description that indicated such.

I just ask because a character in Hunter X Hunter can do a similar feat of forcing his body to sleep for five days straight, although here's the body control article for more info: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Body_Control

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Funny thing, I'm playing the Skywalker saga. And in the first part of the trilogy, there's a section where a Stormtrooper says he was on a mission with Kylo Ren and saw him throwing himself into the mouth of a Zillo.

References to the comic book.

 

[Nonynho]

That is also NOT the image you want to use for a render. WAY too low quality.

Yeah, that's the reason why i said "something like this", cuz the image is nice but very low qualy

 

[Nonynho]

I just ask because a character in Hunter X Hunter can do a similar feat of forcing his body to sleep for five days straight, although here's the body control article for more info: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Body_Control

read it before answering ya, and i didn't feel convinced that this is a power that he'd have
Also, probably not sleeping =/= forcing the body to sleep

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Also, probably not sleeping =/= forcing the body to sleep

But he still could force his body to not sleep along with not needing to eat or drink either

Also, isn't there anything on Empathic Manipulation for Yoda? I thought that Force users were able to manipulate the emotions of others or have a calming affect on them when around them.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Funny thing, I'm playing the Skywalker saga. And in the first part of the trilogy, there's a section where a Stormtrooper says he was on a mission with Kylo Ren and saw him throwing himself into the mouth of a Zillo.

I thought LEGO as a separate canon

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I thought LEGO as a separate canon

Of course it is.

References to the comic book.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Bring that 5-C stuff to the wiki so it gets a slightly higher chance of being accepted.

The Power of High Republic Jedi

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[Dinobot1996]

If that 5-C calculation gets accepted, I guess it'd probably have to scale to Dagan Gera too, considering he would've still been active as a Jedi at that point.

Fun fact: the Jedi Survivor artbook indicates that Dagan Gera apparently achieved the rank of Jedi Master prior to his fall to the dark side, and also states that he was once "a paragon of the High Republic":

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

If that 5-C calculation gets accepted, I guess it'd probably have to scale to Dagan Gera too, considering he would've still been active as a Jedi at that point.

I redid the calc applying Rel. Acceleration, the results are now up to Low 5-B now! I can't help but wonder why Obi-Wan and Anakin thought they've have trouble TK-ing that large kyber crystal when in the High Republic era Jedi were TK-ing Large Moon's worth of mass

I guess they just need to get gud at TK-ing!

 

[Sir_Marvulous]

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If that 5-C calculation gets accepted, I guess it'd probably have to scale to Dagan Gera too, considering he would've still been active as a Jedi at that point.

Fun fact: the Jedi Survivor artbook indicates that Dagan Gera apparently achieved the rank of Jedi Master prior to his fall to the dark side, and also states that he was once "a paragon of the High Republic":

Dagan scaling to that means JS Vader certainly scales

Would Yoda scale to this by being grandmaster during the High Republic? Cuz that could mean certain characters such as Mace, Palpatine, and Anakin should scale as well

 

[Dinobot1996]

We also know that Rayvis had no problem eliminating numerous High Republic-era Jedi (enough that he amassed a collection of lightsabers to give to his lieutenants by the time of Jedi Survivor), with it having apparently required the efforts of "many" Jedi to finally defeat and imprison him in the past.

It seems that Dagan Gera and, much later, Cal Kestis were the only two Jedi to ever defeat him in single combat.

 

[OTG0001]

If that 5-C calculation gets accepted, I guess it'd probably have to scale to Dagan Gera too, considering he would've still been active as a Jedi at that point.

Fun fact: the Jedi Survivor artbook indicates that Dagan Gera apparently achieved the rank of Jedi Master prior to his fall to the dark side, and also states that he was once "a paragon of the High Republic":

Yea, although Dagan is somewhat lacking in direct feats by virtue of his status as a master he should scale above the padawans/knights performing the feat, although you could argue that most of his power lies in his illusion creation.

 

[OTG0001]

Dagan scaling to that means JS Vader certainly scales

Would Yoda scale to this by being grandmaster during the High Republic? Cuz that could mean certain characters such as Mace, Palpatine, and Anakin should scale as well

Yes, and he directly stopped a very large emergence with help in a High Republic comic, although I don't recall the specific issue.

 

[Nonynho]

Would Yoda scale to this by being grandmaster during the High Republic? Cuz that could mean certain characters such as Mace, Palpatine, and Anakin should scale as well

Yes. I believe that anyone Obi-level and above would become 5-B, and with power-ups we may see 5-As (Yes, i'm looking at you, Carvalho)

 

[OTG0001]

Found the issue, it was High Republic Adventures 1.


Some pretty good stuff in there, such as a padawan stopping a decently-large emergence mostly by herself, and Yoda purportedly stopping larger emergences. @Hagane_no_Saiyajin @Phsccarvalho

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Found the issue, it was High Republic Adventures 1.


Some pretty good stuff in there, such as a padawan stopping a decently-large emergence mostly by herself, and Yoda purportedly stopping larger emergences. @Hagane_no_Saiyajin @Phsccarvalho

I ended up revising the calc to be more accurate to the feat, looks like now the Jedi have only Class E telekinesis with the Low Ball and High Ball for the feat being High 6-A and Low 5-B respectively

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[Nonynho]

I ended up revising the calc to be more accurate to the feat, looks like now the Jedi have only Class E telekinesis with the Low Ball and High Ball for the feat being High 6-A and Low 5-B respectively

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Still think Carvalho may bring us 5-A Vader before GTA 6
I want this calc approved for yesterday, cuz i can't get the Yoda CRT and then update it like 2 months later
@Phsccarvalho have you called your contacts both for those other calcs and for this one?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

@Phsccarvalho have you called your contacts both for those other calcs and for this one?

I don't have any contacts for that.

This will be a matter of luck.

You can try sending it to the message board of one of the calculation staff members.

 

[Nonynho]

I don't have any contacts for that.

This will be a matter of luck.

You can try sending it to the message board of one of the calculation staff members.

I'm quite busy with the babilonic library that Hagane gave me and i wish to end it ASAP, so if not possible for any of y'all (and if we get unlucky to get the calc unchecked by then), i'll do it by idk saturday

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Still think Carvalho may bring us 5-A Vader before GTA 6
I want this calc approved for yesterday, cuz i can't get the Yoda CRT and then update it like 2 months later
@Phsccarvalho have you called your contacts both for those other calcs and for this one?

High 5-A Vader might even be possible

I didn't get a reply on my comment about Yoda having body control, this is what is says:

he still could force his body to not sleep along with not needing to eat or drink either

 

[Nonynho]

But he still could force his body to not sleep along with not needing to eat or drink either

Also, isn't there anything on Empathic Manipulation for Yoda? I thought that Force users were able to manipulate the emotions of others or have a calming affect on them when around them.

passed by this, dunno how, sorry

We're talking about "Possibly" having those things because he could be eating and/or sleeping whenever Dooku left the training ground on that period and he probably could sleep in that mountain, somehow, just don't eat.
We don't get a definitive statement or something like "he did not eat while climbing the mountain" or something like that.
And reading both Body Control and Self-Sustenance pages, i'm really thinking that we only have enough argument to base "Possibly Self-Sustenance", because, again, we don't have a statement like "Yoda fought against sleep for almost a month" or "Yoda forced himself up against that mountain despite lacking food for a week", so nothing indicating body control exists, so far (if it appears amidst those 40+ books that i'm trying to read, i'll add it to the sandbox instantly);

About that Empathic Manip, you might wanna check the Force page, already in his new page

• Mind Manipulation and Memory Manipulation (With Mind Trickery, it is possible to implant a suggestion in the minds of those encountered, encouraging them to obey the caster's wishes or make them forget something)

 

[Nonynho]

I thought that Force users were able to manipulate the emotions of others or have a calming affect on them when around them.

i also add that so far if anyone states so, it is purely because of Yoda's fame of being too MFing wise and powerful, 100% Social Influencing

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Did that MagnaGuard stuff being discussed awhile back ever go anywhere?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

Some pretty good stuff in there, such as a padawan stopping a decently-large emergence mostly by herself

Considering that there was a padawan, was the effort really done equally between the four jedi, or was it three doing the full work and one doing half of it?

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I'm not entirely sure about the rules on the wiki.

Here is the link if you want to read more:

Typically, lasers and other light-based attacks are only accepted to really move at the speed of light if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:

• The beam behaves in a reasonably realistic way, such as reflecting off non-magical mirrors or refracting and diffusing through liquids and materials.
• The beam is stated to move at the speed of light by reliable sources.
• The beam is stated to be composed/consisting of photons or light itself, again by reliable sources.
• The beam originates from a real source of light, such as the Sun or the flash of a camera.
  
  • Note that a beam does not automatically qualify for this requirement just by originating from a technological source.

Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show that a beam is not behaving like realistic light:

• The beam is shown to move at different speeds in the same material.
• The beam curves through the air or otherwise doesn't travel in straight lines (with the exception of realistic refraction or deflection).
• The beam primarily deals damage by means other than heating materials that absorb it.
  
  • A laser may cause explosions, but only if it rapidly vaporizes some matter, meaning that the target needs to be partially destroyed in the process.
• The beam is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans, as if it was a solid, liquid or gas. It shouldn't disperse when being hit as a substance would, and should not be redirectable without using a mechanism like refraction.
  
  • While a laser can in theory push things, through radiation pressure or by causing explosions when vaporizing part of an object, those are niche circumstances and generally a laser should not primarily push things away like a physical projectile would.