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Powerscalers vs Fiction part 25: Wdinatx vs Ayano Aishi (0-4-0)

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How exactly does Ayano tap into the snapped key? Since from what I'm seeing, she needs to lose her senpai? Which I guess means she can't use it.
 
It's restricted anyways
I don't think saying "base is used" suffices for it being "restricted"

Anyways for actual argument on who wins: Every single physical aspect pretty much goes to Ayano, and I don't think Wdinatx' swordsmanship would play any part as they have no formal training in it, and despite teh fact Wdnatix attacks from outside her line of sight, she still has stealth mastery which I think would be vital later on, not to mention being overall better at martials arts and having rage power/berserk mode, I really don't see how Wdinatx can keep up.
 
With weapons = 825/(74.36548327*1,35 (enraging makes you use 35% more strenght)) = 825/100,386 - 8,2 times the ap for the opponent (oneshot)
Without weapons = 151/100,386 = 1,5 times the ap for the opponent
Travel speed = WDinATX provably got the advantage (due of histerical strenght)
Reaction speed = Ayano provably got the advantage
Travel Speed in general doesn't make the most difference in a fight, C/R does though.
 
Not to mention that in the scan you have shown student pinned her down and then stabbed Ayano, while Wdinatx doesn't have remotely close LS to Peak Human
 
regardless ayano is overall better at literally everything so voting for her, it's basically a normal dude vs a metaforical brick wall with a shotgun who's also really f*cking mad
 
Won't she have 9-C dura though?
Sword
Not to mention that in the scan you have shown student pinned her down and then stabbed Ayano, while Wdinatx doesn't have remotely close LS to Peak Human
I mean, that doesn't really matter, she still couldn't do a whole lot about it. The wiki explicitly says that someone who's armed is way stronger than nearly everyone else.
 
She is trained in martial arts and that would require superior LS to pin her down like that, so that doesn't work.
Pretty sure that's an inverse thing for yandere sim, don't see any reason it would apply to wdinatx.
 
Wait a minute, does wdinatx have easy access to a real sword? I don't see any standard equipment or street tier rating
 
Nah, he doesn't have swords unfortunately. He just went to a training with some fencer and sparred with him. That's just like Mahek who don't want to add guns to his profile, since he only does Olympic shooting in competitions
 
Pretty sure that's an inverse thing for yandere sim, don't see any reason it would apply to wdinatx.
Even then, the girl in that video is quite literally just a teenager hellbent on revenge. I don't think there's a single mention of her training, which sounds exactly like wdinatx. If ayano can't fight against people with knives, why would she be able to do anything against a sword??

I also saw a video of them killing ayano by sneaking up behind her too, no restraining required, but i don't think i can find it.
 
Nah, he doesn't have swords unfortunately. He just went to a training with some fencer and sparred with him. That's just like Mahek who don't want to add guns to his profile, since he only does Olympic shooting in competitions
Great, so they are in an even worse disadvantage LOL.
 
Nah, he doesn't have swords unfortunately. He just went to a training with some fencer and sparred with him. That's just like Mahek who don't want to add guns to his profile, since he only does Olympic shooting in competitions
Oh alright then, nevermind
 
Also even if he had - they obviously won't be sharp, since HEMA (and most likely other forms of sword martial arts) use blunt swords during training so nobody would be harmed by them and they could practice some moves
 
Great, so they are in an even worse disadvantage LOL.
I mean, this tournament is heavily luck based, of course not all matches would be fair and unclear. Not to mention that powerscalers had a really long winstreak and now it's ended
 
Again, simply outclassed via LS.
I don't think there's a single mention of her training,
If ayano can't fight against people with knives, why would she be able to do anything against a sword??
Same reasoning for the first argument.
 
Again, simply outclassed via LS.
Match is basically over but you can't just LS your way out of everything, lol. You could put f*ckin Brock lesnar against a guy who's been training with a sword for a few weeks and knows what he's doing, and the latter will win hands down.
 
Match is basically over but you can't just LS your way out of everything, lol.
Sure, that doesn't deny 50% is via that and the other 50% is literally an established thing that makes characters inverse stronger when they have weapons, so that wouldn't have mattered anyways and should not apply to Wdinatx at all.
You could put f*ckin Brock lesnar against a guy who's been training with a sword for a few weeks, and the latter will win hands down.
Except in this case the physically stronger outclasses by superhuman gaps that can't really be compared with real life examples.
 
Except in this case the physically stronger outclasses by superhuman gaps that can't really be compared with real life examples.
I mean, her Class 1 LS is restricted and we still have Eddie Hall to use for those hypotheticals (iirc he lifted like 500-550 kg)
 
Except in this case the physically stronger outclasses by superhuman gaps that can't really be compared with real life examples.
I specifically used that example because the gap between him and a normal guy is huge. It's still peak human vs average human, so it's the exact same. But either way, LS is simply not stopping a blade being put straight through you lmao, benching 300 kilos is awesome but it does not mean you can stop that all.

Knives are already a huge game-changer if you're fighting an empty handed guy, let alone an actual sword. Doesn't matter if they are a complete twig or if they just got a contract with the UFC. Weapons are real hard for anyone to deal with and most of the time they aren't coming out unscathed.

I absolutely do not see an untrained ayano winning in that scenario if a normal girl doesn't even need the latter weapon to kill her and being armed is pretty much an instant win in yandere sim. I don't think the delinquents are a good example of that being contradictory because they telegraph their hits so much in their fight sequence lmao

But luckily for ayano, wdinatx doesn't actually have a real sword, so if it's not obvious already i'm voting her
 
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I specifically used that example because the gap between him and a normal guy is huge. It's still peak human vs average human, so it's the exact same. But either way, LS is simply not stopping a blade being put straight through you lmao, benching 300 kilos is awesome but it does not mean you can stop that all.
Forgetting the whole speed, C/R advantage. Yes it would? That's literally how LS works, you can literally stop someone from pushing a sword through you if you have superior LS, and again forgetting the whole "stronger when armed" shtick.
Knives are already a huge game-changer if you're fighting an empty handed guy, let alone an actual sword. Doesn't matter if they are a complete twig or if they just got a contract with the UFC. Weapons are real hard for anyone to deal with and most of the time they aren't coming out unscathed.
Again, big speed difference, big LS difference, you're simply not just going to just stab them a couple of times and expect a win when your opponent is faster and destroys you with the LS and AP advantages.
I absolutely do not see an untrained ayano winning in that scenario if a normal girl doesn't even need the latter weapon to kill her. But luckily for ayano, wdinatx doesn't actually have a real sword, so if it's not obvious already i'm voting her
This is literally FOR Ayano, she has martial arts experience and wouldn't get the disadvantage of a clear thing that is implied to only exist within the story.
 
Ngl, I feel like she desperately needs a CRT. Way too many of her feats are depended on skillset you choose, that needs to be splitted in keys
 
And if you decide to not invest in any of those things - Ayano most likely would have way more different stats (even though she still most likely would have 9-C and Peak Human LS)
 
Yes it would? That's literally how LS works, you can literally stop someone from pushing a sword through you if you have superior LS, and again forgetting the whole "stronger when armed" shtick.
I don't think i get what you mean. If you catch a sword with your hands, then the only thing you're going to be worried about is who is going to catch your hands afterward lol

Unless you somehow grab the hilt of the sword you'll slice your hands off regardless of LS if it's being swung at you. LS is only useful if ayano can grapple, but unless wdinatx straight up charges and just gets unlucky i doubt that's gonna happen.
Again, big speed difference, big LS difference, you're simply not just going to just stab them a couple of times and expect a win when your opponent is faster and destroys you with the LS and AP advantages.
Unless ayano was like subsonic or something i don't really buy that. Even looking at it purely from a powerscaling perspective, the difference between baseline average human and peak human is barely 2x, former of which wdinatx upscales from. It's notable, yeah, but that still far from a blitz and doesn't save you from getting shanked lol. You're still going to struggle if they go full steam ahead.

Just because i'm really quick in sparring does not mean i'm fully confident i can take a guy attacking me with a sword, for one. You can't attack and defend at the same time without getting pieced up and they are far different from hand-to-hand fights. I think you're seriously underestimating how dangerous that sort of situation actually is, even if you train a lot and are faster than a normal person. Knives are no joke, which ayano already can't deal with without a weapon of her own, let alone a sword.

Anyway we're gonna clog the thread with this, so let's just move on to the next match
 
I don't think i get what you mean. If you catch a sword with your hands, then the only thing you're going to be worried about is who is going to catch your hands afterward lol

Unless you somehow grab the hilt of the sword you'll slice your hands off regardless of LS if it's being swung at you. LS is only useful if ayano can grapple, but unless wdinatx straight up charges and just gets unlucky i doubt that's gonna happen.
Or maybe grabbing what is holding the sword?
Unless ayano was like subsonic or something i don't really buy that. Even looking at it purely from a powerscaling perspective, the difference between baseline average human and peak human is barely 2x, former of which wdinatx upscales from. It's notable, yeah, but that still far from a blitz and doesn't save you from getting shanked lol. You're still going to struggle if they go full steam ahead.
I never said it was a blitz, but keeping up with peak human speed in actual combat is not easy, especially when this is C/R speed, you're basically not going to land hits.
Just because i'm really quick in sparring does not mean i'm fully confident i can take a guy attacking me with a sword, for one. You can't attack and defend at the same time without getting pieced up and they are far different from hand-to-hand fights. I think you're seriously underestimating how dangerous that sort of situation actually is, even if you train a lot and are faster than a normal person. Knives are no joke, which ayano already can't deal with without a weapon of her own, let alone a sword.
Again, said person has barely any actual good experience with a sword, they're way slower and way weaker, they're basically just a child. And for the love of god, characters getting stronger when they have weapons is an established inverse thing in yandere simulator, it does NOT apply to crossverse fights.
 
Tier: Ayano
AP: Ayano
Speed: Possibly a tie/draw
Lifting and Striking: Ayano
Durability: Ayano
Stamina: Ayano
Range: Tie/Draw
Intelligence: Ayano

Yeah I vote Ayano winning/Wdinatx losing. (Wdinatx would need to land a very solid strike or apply very fast-acting grappling submission techniques to have a shot at winning, the grappling submission techniques would be more useful in bypassing durability, but then again if Ayano can snap necks with her hands and since she has better durability, she can either tank the strikes (though vital points would still possibly weaken or even incapacitate her) and/or break Wdinatx's limbs if Wdinatx attempted submission techniques (unless Wdinatx can use the crucifix position on either Ayano's arms or legs but even then Ayano might brute force her way out of that) so welp.)

As for the discussion between Ray and Mythic, disarming a sword and disarming a knife are quite different, but yeah ideally going for whichever limbs are manipulating weapons are a go-to method, I think Ray already meant that with grappling though.
(With ranged weapons it'd also be necessary to redirect them to point at the armed person or generally away from oneself, other people in the vicinity/proximity/area, and the sky because of the avoidance of stray projectiles, and all that being said, strength still matters, it's gonna be hard to hold on to a person much larger or physically and mentally more capable, it'd be absolutely goddamn vital to break the limbs and disarm the weapon as fast as possible at that point to prevent the armed person from retaliating, and I emphasise disarming even after breaking the limbs cause there's still the off chance that breaking the limbs is not enough, especially if the armed person also has lowered pain sensitivity or heightened pain thresholds and tolerances due to drugs or alcohol or whatnot.)
 
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As for the discussion between Ray and Mythic, disarming a sword and disarming a knife are quite different, but yeah ideally going for whichever limbs are manipulating weapons are a go-to method, I think Ray already meant that with grappling though.
Yeah. A sword is a whole different story compared to a knife though, so common strategies like controlling the arm the weapon is in is way less viable. You'll probably get sliced before you even get a chance to do that lmao
Again, said person has barely any actual good experience with a sword, they're way slower and way weaker, they're basically just a child. And for the love of god, characters getting stronger when they have weapons is an established inverse thing in yandere simulator, it does NOT apply to crossverse fights.
I know, and that's why i'm backing it up with real life examples and the scan i showed you earlier. Ayano without training can't deal with a random girl with a knife, so it makes zero sense to assume she would know how to deal with a sword at all.

Speed doesn't matter nearly as much if your opponent has so much more range than you unless you're massively quicker, that's why taller people will always have a massive advantage in irl fights regardless of how much work the shorter one has put in, and that's why weapons are so deadly too, hence why i brought up the fact it's difficult for highly trained people to deal with them regardless of how hard or fast they can hit. You would need a massive speed advantage to actually get around that without difficulty like you're implying.

I have zero clue where you're getting the idea that speed and LS is all that matters, lmao. That's simply not how it works when it comes to more grounded fights like this. We can agree to disagree, but you're seriously underestimating how dangerous most melee weapons actually are.
Anyway we're gonna clog the thread with this, so let's just move on to the next match
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I know this is done but I feel the need to say that this matchup is very ironic because I’ve actually had dreams (plural) with this kind of scenario. You guys already got the gist of it when figuring out the winner and how it started: Me recognizing them in a public place and going into a rage state, only to lose to the person who actually has experience fighting to the point of extreme injury and death.

If you included the narrative of me realizing that this was the yandere who hurt my friend(s) I’d accuse you of hacking into my dream journal. /hj
 
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