Minor speed upgrade for Darkseid

[Hayato5652]

Hello everyone, today I’ve come to discuss a topic and I intend to make a Key for Darkseid with Immeasurable Speed

Here’s the situation: Wally West traveled to the past using the Speed Force and tried to defeat Darkseid before he became King Omega. Shockingly, Darkseid defeated Wally West and was even faster than him, He referred to the Speed Force as if it meant nothing to him, and even attempted to absorb it.

Based on this evidence, I believe Darkseid can be considered to have Immeasurable Speed.

Considering that Darkseid already has a 1-A key, it would be a bit unreasonable for him not to have immeasurable speed.

Thanks for reading my post!!

Agree:

Neutral:

Disagree:

 

[Ozcantabak]

I agree with the feat but i think we should wait until DC: KO is finished like Elizio33 mentioned.

 

[Hayato5652]

Yes, I’m also waiting for Antvasima and Elizio33 to share their opinions

 

[Ren_amamya]

I agree

 

[Elizio33]

Yes, I’m also waiting for Antvasima and Elizio33 to share their opinions

I think it might be best to wait until we know more about Omega King Darkseid before we make any upgrades based on his current feats.

 

[Hayato5652]

I think it might be best to wait until we know more about Omega King Darkseid before we make any upgrades based on his current feats.

No problem, I was planning to consider this feat for his speed as soon as the Darkseid K.O. page gets fixed, and also evaluate Darkseid’s speed given that the Speed Force was basically a joke to him and he managed to defeat two speedsters while they were using the Speed Force to determine an immeasurable speed for him

 

[Elizio33]

KO Darkseid should even have Multilocation once DC: KO is finished.

 

[Hayato5652]

KO Darkseid should even have Multilocation once DC: KO is finished.

We can use this scan in the future to support Darkseid’s Multilocation ability, since he mentions that he exists in the past, present, and future simultaneously

 

[Elizio33]

We can use this scan in the future to support Darkseid’s Multilocation ability, since he mentions that he exists in the past, present, and future simultaneously

Yes.

 

[Hayato5652]

I have two suggestions:

1- If we’re going to wait until the end of the K.O. comic, that’s fine as I said, Wally West’s defeat can be considered a speed feat for Darkseid, not an AP feat, just speed, I don’t want to get into Tier at all because I know it would cause too many contradictions, and I’d rather leave that to you and Antvasima since you’re both more knowledgeable about this verse.

2- If this Darkseid feat is acceptable and doesn’t cause any contradictions, then let’s keep this Immeasurable Speed feat for Darkseid until his new profile page is made, and then we can add it there... and not close this CRT.

 

[Hecky2222]

This is too early. We dont know current King Omega Darkseid scale. By this feat u could also argue if he is High 1A since he made Speedforce cry. I do believe it is better to wait for K.O ending then make King Omega Key. If he is 1A then he should be immeasurable by default. Also Elizio said 1A profiles are outdated and will be edited to immeasurable speed

 

[Hecky2222]

KO Darkseid should even have Multilocation once DC: KO is finished.

cant we also say it can be some kind of Acausality since he was aware of changing past?

 

[Hayato5652]

This is too early. We dont know current King Omega Darkseid scale. By this feat u could also argue if he is High 1A since he made Speedforce cry. I do believe it is better to wait for K.O ending then make King Omega Key. If he is 1A then he should be immeasurable by default. Also Elizio said 1A profiles are outdated and will be edited to immeasurable speed

Hmmmm...I don’t think it works like that. What I mean is, defeating characters who are Speed Force users doesn’t automatically scale someone up to High 1-A tier
At least, I don’t think that’s how it works... because there are many characters who have defeated Wally West, and that’s only possible if he’s using the full power of the Speed Force and the opponent manages to beat him in that state, or maybe absorbs the entire Speed Force or something like that

I suggest we leave this to Elizio33 so he can decide about Darkseid’s tier at the end of the K.O comic.

 

[Hecky2222]

Hmmmm...I don’t think it works like that. What I mean is, defeating characters who are Speed Force users doesn’t automatically scale someone up to High 1-A tier
At least, I don’t think that’s how it works... because there are many characters who have defeated Wally West, and that’s only possible if he’s using the full power of the Speed Force and the opponent manages to beat him in that state, or maybe absorbs the entire Speed Force or something like that

I suggest we leave this to Elizio33 so he can decide about Darkseid’s tier at the end of the K.O comic.

I mean sure but i didnt mean this.

In this comics we saw statement about "Speedforce itself crying". U could argue if it is High 1A but it is debatable and refutable if we assume Speedforce in this context means Timestream(Since we saw in previous comics Timestream being burned)

I say it is better to wait for better feats and see when comics ends

 

[Hayato5652]

Yeah, but this CRT isn’t about tiers, and it shouldn’t be brought up here, let alone have conclusions made about it

 

[Elizio33]

Should I close this thread then?

 

[Hayato5652]

I have two suggestions:

1- If we’re going to wait until the end of the K.O. comic, that’s fine as I said, Wally West’s defeat can be considered a speed feat for Darkseid, not an AP feat, just speed, I don’t want to get into Tier at all because I know it would cause too many contradictions, and I’d rather leave that to you and Antvasima since you’re both more knowledgeable about this verse.

2- If this Darkseid feat is acceptable and doesn’t cause any contradictions, then let’s keep this Immeasurable Speed feat for Darkseid until his new profile page is made, and then we can add it there... and not close this CRT.

This was my suggestion

 

[Elizio33]

This was my suggestion

I hold my opinion that it would be better to wait until the end of DC: KO

 

[Hayato5652]

I hold my opinion that it would be better to wait until the end of DC: KO

No problem, my intention was for this CRT to be accepted, and once the profile is made, this speed feat would be written on the page, If closing the CRT is a better option, then it’s better to close this CRT.

 

[TheNothing84]

Look like too late
but easily agree

 

[Antvasima]

I hold my opinion that it would be better to wait until the end of DC: KO

Agreed.

 

[Hayato5652]

It’s better to close this CRT, My intention in posting this CRT was to have the feat added to Darkseid Post-Flashpoint profile.

Once the K.O. comic finishes, I’ll make another CRT with more scans and stronger support, There’s no need to rush.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will close this then. Thank you to everyone who helped out here.