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Aaaah. I personally do lean towards MEGA for those reasons. It's close, but that's who my money is bet on.
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Test Match 2: Evolution VS Innovation
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Yeah. Either a Hax stomp, or an Incon. Makes sense why they almost never seem to appear until MEGA wakes up from his chamber to beat up Tier 5 scrubs.
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So, the three endings are:
- They become friends and work together.
- MEGA incapacitates Su Zhou for the 24 Hour SBA.
- MEGA kills Su Zhou, and smurf sheninanigans happen.
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Well, I just introduced another plausible win condition, in social influencing + charm aura.
To give a Death Battle type of breakdown...
MEGA's Pros:
MEGA's Cons:
Su Zhou's Cons:
The win-conditions that work for MEGA are:
The win conditions that work for Su Zhou are:
+ They social influence mutually.
To give a Death Battle type of breakdown...
MEGA's Pros:
- Immeasurable speed reactions. (+)
- Higher intelligence and martial arts skill. (+)
- More potent reactive evolution. (++)
- More offensive abilities and powerful passives. (++)
- Resistances and counters to almost everything. (+++)
- Overpowered subjective reality and plot manipulation. (+++)
- Potent charm capabilities and an aura to go along with it. (+++)
- Unlikely to kill Su Zhou. (+++)
MEGA's Cons:
- Less versatility. (-)
- Reincarnate Soul is not beyond Su Zhou's interaction (--)
- Far less defensive abilities. (---)
- Far worse regeneration and immortality. (---)
- More versatility. (+)
- Far greater regeneration and immortality. (++)
- Transforms into a far stronger form if he is fully killed or simply wants to. (+++)
- [Twilight] can instantly win the fight. (+++)
- The [True Spirit] is beyond MEGA's reach. (+++)
Su Zhou's Cons:
- Slower. (-)
- Less skilled and intelligent. (-)
- Can't keep up with MEGA's reactive evolution. (-)
- Susceptible to MEGA's aura and influencing. (--)
- Most of his abilities are resisted or countered (---)
- No answers to plot manipulation. (---)
The win-conditions that work for MEGA are:
- Converting Su Zhou's soul, mind, and body into energy + Absorbing him + Negating regeneration.
- Partially or fully destroying Su Zhou's soul, mind, and body + Negating regeneration.
- Madness hax on soul, mind, and body.
- Pretty much anything involving plot manipulation.
- Convincing Su Zhou to stop fighting via social influence + charm aura.
- Turning Su Zhou into a servant via focusing his empathic aura.
The win conditions that work for Su Zhou are:
- [Twilight] to void MEGA's Reincarnate Soul.
- MEGA intentionally or accidentally kills him (by affecting his Path), prompting him to shift into his next key.
- Transforming into his next key before MEGA has the chance to incapacitate him.
+ They social influence mutually.
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Btw I noticed, MEGA fought Wise One of Miracles Joshua. That key unfortunately got buffed to High 1-A now though so MEGA doesn't really have a chance against it.
And on the other hand, the keys of him that are closer to MEGA in tier ("Advanced Legendary-Tier Being") seem way weaker.
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And on the other hand, the keys of him that are closer to MEGA in tier ("Advanced Legendary-Tier Being") seem way weaker.
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He used it in non-serious situations, so idk.
Joshua has too much broken stuff even in that key. That's why I chose Su Zhou instead of rematching.
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Really? When I looked at it, it seemed weaker.
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He's got Meta-Supra Durability, and that can go up to Meta-Meta-Meta-Supra with Divine Power, and he has Divine Power even in his 7-A Key.
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Strongest MC in the series lolwtf?! Joshua is crazy man.
But yeah, gg's.
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A few, but I didn't feel they had enough unique abilities or loreto make profiles on.
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Voying Su Zhou cause either his Twilihgt goes through or he get into the next key.
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Replace Joshua with MEGA, and that's what I said to myself when comparing what End of Verse Demi-Darwin (My own really busted OC), against MEGA.
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What do you think are MEGA's win conditions?
Rakih_Elyan
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Skills, RE, and Absorption.
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What makes you think those are less likely
and what about his passive aura?
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I was leaning su zhou at first but i think i'll go with mega on this one. Su zhou doesn't seem like they'd go for [Twilight] super early, and i presume that the aura would f*ck with his rational thinking on top of that and make things harder on him in general, plus the fact one of his wincons hinges on mega being super aggressive. Also just seems like the overall better fighter
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Su Zhou would try everything he has, including Twilight, if given a chance, and MEGA skills, RE and Absorption still cannot touch Su Zhou's Great Path, he can only incap his body and soul. If MEGA would go for the kill instantly, Su Zhou would break through the next key.What makes you think those are less likely
Su Zhou resist Emphatical Manipulation and Fear manip. Maybe madness can do him in?
Su Zhou also still have Joshua [Miracle] blessings.
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His resistances aren't enough. Gets bypassed. And MEGA's aura is constantly getting stronger. Even if you initially resist it, it can grow to affect you. Multiple times over.
Though I respect the vote for real
I forgot how many votes needed on fcoc again even though I am admin ngl
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Maybe, albeit if Su Zhou still has willpower, [Miracle] can kick in, considering [Miracle] can also be used by a goddamn lifeless rock.
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Difference of 3 votes minimum
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What did the lifeless rock do with the miracle?
I'm genuinely just curious what
Rakih_Elyan
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Metaphor lol, lifeless beings and all existence also get Joshua Miracle.What did the lifeless rock do with the miracle?
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I'll vote incon
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People read your arguments, and they either do or don't buy them.how do i get votes
Now Incon also has 3 Votes like MEGA does.
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Well, unless people change their votes, I guess this might not officially end. Though, this is one of the most active fcoc threads in a long time.
Anyway, my thoughts on the match. This is honestly a difficult call. The plot stuff isn't in character for MEGA but I feel like he has a higher chance of landing other wincons first. If he kills Su Zhou and sends him into the next key, then Su Zhou wins. I guess it depends on how likely MEGA is to kill him as opposed to incapacitation based wincons.
Not really sure where I land exactly... lean MEGA, though.
Anyway, my thoughts on the match. This is honestly a difficult call. The plot stuff isn't in character for MEGA but I feel like he has a higher chance of landing other wincons first. If he kills Su Zhou and sends him into the next key, then Su Zhou wins. I guess it depends on how likely MEGA is to kill him as opposed to incapacitation based wincons.
Not really sure where I land exactly... lean MEGA, though.
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TMK, based on the arguments I've seen, MEGA isn't very likely to kill Su Zhou in character, and will instead prioritize an Incap, so MEGA seems more likely to win, especially with more ways to do so that Su Zhou has ways to kill MEGA.
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I just realized something else. Not sure this is in the rules, but I'm pretty sure that if both you and Spaceman vote for the same person (So Spaceman votes for MEGA too), then the poll will be able to end that way too.how do i get votes
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Unlikely to kill, because Su Zhou isn't pure evil.
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Its just a matter on who wins the debate. If the opponent is convinced your side wins, well, you win.
Also, what even is Supra?
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Supra-Quality is an unofficial terminology that I made up to describe the level of power that the Dragon Talisman cosmology reached.Its just a matter on who wins the debate. If the opponent is convinced your side wins, well, you win.
Also, what even is Supra?
It essentially is just what happens when you continually stack "Meta-" qualities on top of each other, and then have something that is entirely outside of that hierarchy.
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Aaaaah.
So like, if I take my Extraversal scale from my own Tier System as a measurement in comparison to your terminology, then.....
Outer is a 1, aka Supra.
Beyond the Infinite stack of baseline Outer is baseline High Outer, which is a 2, aka Meta-Supra.
Beyond the infinite stack of baseline High Outer is 2 layers into High Outer, which is a 3, aka Meta-Meta-Supra.
Right?
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