Possible Number Man upgrade

[XxZetsuxX]

I have been invited too a VSBattle match with this guy involved, and i noticed he seems (according to his profile) to be missing alot of abilities, so i want to give him what his profile implies he has;

DISCLAIMER;

I have never touched the series, i am just basing my CRT on what his profile says he has, so i cannot provide scans to everything as i am not knowledgeable on the verse (sorry ;c), now without further ado;

• Likely Superhuman physical characteristics - his profile states he can break bones
• Superhuman Precision - Should be obvious due to the nature of his ability
• Damage Reduction - According to Wokistan, he can negate damage done by an explosion by spinning
• Acrobatics and Free Movements - His profile states that he can run up on walls as if he was running on the ground?
• Enhanced Senses (Neutral and awareness) - his profile states that he can see invisible stuff and small animals along with being able to act despite being blinded by bugs
• Durability Negation - via being able to induce commodio cordis by attacking the heart at the same time the T-Wave reaches the heart

For stats

AP, Durability and Striking Strenght - Street Level, Likely Street Level+ due to bone breaking feats

Profile in question btw;

The Number Man

A childhood friend of Jack Slash, Kurt Wynn was one of the founding members of the Slaughterhouse Nine, under the name Harbinger. For years, he acted as one of infamous members of this supervillain team, but, developing a distaste for violence, he ultimately left the group to join Cauldron and...

vsbattles.fandom.com

This is my worst CRT ;c

 

[Apeironaxim]

Im pretty sure this CRT is essentially dismissible by default due to not having any scans/sourcing, which iirc is part of the rules for making a CRT. Also that's just not death manip in the slightest. It's literally an irl thing that is explicitly due to the heart's rhythm being interrupted by usually a blunt force, how could you possibly spin that to be death manip.
Also, if a profile is very visibly old and clearly outdated, maybe just...dont use that profile for a match?
At some point someone (likely me) is gonna make a CR to update Number Man, but today is not that today

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Im pretty sure this CRT is essentially dismissible by default due to not having any scans/sourcing, which iirc is part of the rules for making a CRT. Also that's just not death manip in the slightest. It's literally an irl thing that is explicitly due to the heart's rhythm being interrupted by usually a blunt force, how could you possibly spin that to be death manip.

You are inducing death by attacking the heart at right timing hence limited

Also, if a profile is very visibly old and clearly outdated, maybe just...dont use that profile for a match?

The profile seems to have alot of matchups though

 

[Apeironaxim]

You are inducing death by attacking the heart at right timing hence limited

The profile seems to have alot of matchups though

Still not how death manip works, this kind of logic is how you get shit like "Death Manip (Killed someone with a gun)".

I mean, i dont care? Just because people keep doing something inadvisable doesnt suddenly make it more recommended. Especially when this kind of thing keeps happening like people not knowing what he does and needing a verse supporter to come in and start posting scans. Like you'd think people would realize the pattern by now

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Still not how death manip works, this kind of logic is how you get shit like "Death Manip (Killed someone with a gun)".

It's literally not like that, you are abusing the human body, you are triggering a mechanism of the human body that will kill you immediately

 

[Apeironaxim]

You're not getting that accepted my dude. That is simply not death manip, the page itself (and basic logic) disagrees with you

Death Manipulation is the ability to directly induce death in beings, objects or even concepts via supernatural means.
[...]
It is important to note that just causing death via other abilities or indirect means (such as soul destruction, physical damage, deconstruction etc.) in itself does not qualify for Death Manipulation unless it is specified or portrayed to be a direct inducement of death in its targets with these being aftereffects of that.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

You're not getting that accepted my dude. That is simply not death manip, the page itself (and basic logic) disagrees with you

Mhm

 

[ThePrimalHunter]

The Commotio cordis stuff would only be pressure points, not death manipulation. You're abusing some of the body's mechanics to force the heart to stop, not just instantly causing supernatural death to happen. I think you'd also just be 9-C from breaking bones, not 9-C+. The lower-end of bone breaking is generally used

Otherwise the CRT looks good & I agree

 

[XxZetsuxX]

The Commotio cordis stuff would only be pressure points, not death manipulation. You're abusing some of the body's mechanics to force the heart to stop, not just instantly causing supernatural death to happen. I think you'd also just be 9-C from breaking bones, not 9-C+. The lower-end of bone breaking is generally used

When character break bones, it's usually 9-C possibly 9-C+ due to us not knowing how badly they destroyed the bones

Otherwise the CRT looks good & I agree

Thx

 

[Franstel]

I'll add some scan to the CRT

Damage Reduction - According to Wokistan, he can negate damage done by an explosion by spinning

That one is from interlude 26a
There is also the part of how he can move in a way to take no damage from a five stories fall.

The Harbingers didn’t have that ability. A five-story drop. People had died or been seriously hurt after a three-story drop.

Nobody told them that. In the midst of the thin cloud of dust and the chunks of debris, the Harbingers moved without wincing or giving any sign of pain, their black-clothed forms rising from the ground like spectres.

Interlude 26a

• Acrobatics and Free Movements - His profile states that he can run up on walls as if he was running on the ground?

He should just be Acrobatics and a precision feat

The Harbingers scaled the sides of buildings as if they were running across horizontal terrain. Weapons, fingers and boots found traction in the surfaces, and they climbed with an easy, almost eerie ease, as though they were almost floating.

Climbing faster than the hand was rising.

Three reached the top of the building, and as if they’d coordinated, planned this well in advance, they set foot on the edge of the rooftop and kicked off. They ignored the bugs that plagued them as if they weren’t even there, weren’t binding them with silk.

interlude 26a

• Enhanced Senses (Neutral and awareness) - his profile states that he can see invisible stuff and small animals along with being able to act despite being blinded by bugs

He can't see the invisible, his ability just let him perceive a lot of details that allow him to detect the invisible.

He left the room. His power alerted him about the Custodian’s presence as he entered the hallway. The sum of a million infinitesimal details.

interlude 21

• Durability Negation - via being able to induce commodio cordis by attacking the heart at the same time the T-Wave reaches the heart

I don't really recall it the closest thing I found to it was this:

One Harbinger threw something, and a dog dropped like its heart had stopped.

Interlude 26a

 

[Apeironaxim]

I don't really recall it the closest thing I found to it was this:

Interlude 26a

i dont think that's conclusive enough to say anything, so i'd disagree with interpreting this as actually stopping its heart. Without more details it's either paralysis or he knocked them unconscious

 

[XxZetsuxX]

i dont think that's conclusive enough to say anything, so i'd disagree with interpreting this as actually stopping its heart. Without more details it's either paralysis or he knocked them unconscious

Isn't that the official scan?

If it is, it says the heart stopped, if your heart stops you die, theres no paralysis or unconsciousness

Unless you can prove the dog appears in a next scene?

 

[Apeironaxim]

Isn't that the official scan?

If it is, it says the heart stopped, if your heart stops you die, theres no paralysis or unconsciousness

Unless you can prove the dog appears in a next scene?

I dont have to prove anything, the scan itself says the dog dropped "like" its heart had stopped. It doesnt say that's exactly what happened. It's a metaphor