Powerscalers vs Fiction part 18: ThePrimalHunter vs Judge Holden (4-1-2)

[AppleMaker]

Finally a good matchup

Rules:

• Speed is not equalized
• Holden have all ranged equipment
• No line of sight for anyone
• ThePrimalHunter have enough prep time for his key
• Battle takes place in random small town
• Theme

"Immortal doesn't mean unbeatable": 4 (@Qurbonboev); (@AppleMaker); (@Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer); (@Shadowslash125)

"War is God": 1 (@Arkansalter2)

Incon: 2 (@Rayfire); (@ThePrimalHunter)

 

[Rayfire]

Holden's profile isn't linked

 

[AppleMaker]

Holden's profile isn't linked

Now it is

 

[AppleMaker]

Bump

 

[Arkansalter2]

Holden Deez Nuts lmfao.

 

[AppleMaker]

Holden Deez Nuts lmfao.

Voting for Holden?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Voting for Holden?

Yeah it's a stomp. Immo 5 is probably one of the most broken immos you can have on this site besides 8 (within reason) or 9.

 

[AppleMaker]

He still could be incapacitated by gunshots, I'm more worried about precognition/howitzer

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Rules: Fight takes place in an abandoned factory The Judge has a hunting knife SBA for everything else I'm the devil from, the bible: Dexter's evil twin: (Pearly0nsams, EnnardTrap1987, Peppersalt43, Pyro9278, AThe1412, Vizmer, King_Dom470) Incon:

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[Qurbonboev]

Yeah it's a stomp. Immo 5 is probably one of the most broken immos you can have on this site besides 8 (within reason) or 9.

He still could be incapacitated by gunshots, I'm more worried about precognition/howitzer

Does Holden have access to all possible abilities (which includes immo 5 and teleportation)? If yes, it's Holden stomp

 

[AppleMaker]

Does Holden have access to all possible abilities (which includes immo 5 and teleportation)? If yes, it's Holden stomp

He doesn't, he would have it in "Full power" modifier or with "Possible stats used" modifier

 

[AppleMaker]

While he got only "Ranged equipment"

 

[Qurbonboev]

He doesn't, he would have it in "Full power" modifier or with "Possible stats used" modifier

My threats have worked. Randomiser give us fair matchup

 

[Qurbonboev]

Speed is not equalized

Sounds bad.
Primal is inferior physically, have problems with vision(but good hearing abilities), and no good counter to precog. But he has better ranged equipment, and better weapon mastery feats.
Primal can drive away from town. And snipe away Holden from relative afar.
Primal FRA(extreme diff)

 

[AppleMaker]

Primal takes revenge for Wokistan FRA. Also I'd be honest - I believe he slightly outskills Holden in marksmanship

 

[Rayfire]

I doubt holden is an EG tbh. Being a polymath and easily outsmarting a group of people look like his best feats and sound more like Genius to me. But even so, he's still a lot smarter than anyone in this forum, so primal is really going to have to bring his A game to win, especially when his opponent can use a howitzer like a f*cking rifle to blow holes in his hiding spot.

There's not any scans of holden using his supposed precognition in combat on his page as far as i can tell, so if primal's cautious and stays hidden, he might get lucky and be able to get the jump on him and avoid finding himself in quickdraw situation that he'll almost definitely lose, given that judge has vastly more experience in actual gunfights and hitting moving targets.

But if he knows that someone is waiting for him specifically, i'm not sure if it's in-character for judge to risk staying out in the open and getting himself killed behind his back. If primal can't get an opportunity to jump him, holden will either outwit him eventually, especially with stealth mastery to the point of being compared to disappearing, or just play the waiting game. And even if primal goes on top of a building to avoid being cornered and getting a better angle, holden can do the same thing even when he's carrying a huge anvil.

So this is a real tossup for me, it all comes down to how primal plays his cards and how aggressive holden decides to be.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Also I'd be honest - I believe he slightly outskills Holden in marksmanship

Idk if skill differences would be that important. Primal outgunes Holden significantly. Most of his weapons are superior to colt dragoon in both firepower, effective range(only 100 m for colt), and firing rate(only Sako TRG sniper rifle has lower firing rate). Holden has mountain howitzer with 900m range, it's dangerous. But some Primal firearms have comparable range, and Sniper rifle has superior range(and it is used for elephant hunting).
Holden best bet is try to sneak Primal, win in quickdraw or something else. In open field Holden is quickly getting gunned down

 

[Rayfire]

In open field Holden is quickly getting gunned down

There is a very big difference between shooting stationary targets and being in actual gunfights with your life on the line. I'm not saying primal would be completely hopeless, but holden has lived in an environment where this was much more common, on top of being out for blood and having excellent marksmanship himself. Primal also directly said that he hasn't actually used the vast majority of the guns in his optional equipment. Otherwise he'd probably have a lot more weapons mastery feats. I think he's only winning with guns if he gets the jump on judge

 

[Qurbonboev]

There is a very big difference between shooting stationary targets and being in actual gunfights with your life on the line

Obviously. But by open field I meant condition where there are more than hundreds of meters distance between combatants, so gun superiority would ensure win for Primal.

Battle takes place in random small town

What town exactly? If this is Wild west town, Primal can try to start a fire and force Holden to go out of the town

 

[AppleMaker]

What town exactly? If this is Wild west town, Primal can try to start a fire and force Holden to go out of the town

Idk, but it's not giving anyone unfair advantages (except it being an open field)

 

[Qurbonboev]

Idk, but it's not giving anyone unfair advantages (except it being an open field)

Wdym?

 

[AppleMaker]

Wdym?

So, most likely it would somewhat modern, since just starting a fire (which Holden already resists btw) won't be a wincon and it will come down to one thing - who will outskill in a gun fight/finds and shoots first

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Finally a good matchup

Rules:

• Speed is not equalized
• Holden have all ranged equipment
• No line of sight for anyone
• ThePrimalHunter have enough prep time for his key
• Battle takes place in random small town
• Theme

"Immortal doesn't mean unbeatable": 2 (@Qurbonboev); (@AppleMaker)

"War is God": 1 (@Arkansalter2)

Incon: 1 (@Rayfire)

I REALLY, REALLY hope Primal/Reximus has the first shot on Holden, but if not, Holden will destroy him with the howitzer.

Idk if skill differences would be that important. Primal outgunes Holden significantly. Most of his weapons are superior to colt dragoon in both firepower, effective range(only 100 m for colt), and firing rate(only Sako TRG sniper rifle has lower firing rate). Holden has mountain howitzer with 900m range, it's dangerous. But some Primal firearms have comparable range, and Sniper rifle has superior range(and it is used for elephant hunting).
Holden best bet is try to sneak Primal, win in quickdraw or something else. In open field Holden is quickly getting gunned down

A sniper rifle can hit a target at 4-7km, although it usually depends on calibre, and usually only anti-tank and anti-materiel rifles can go that far.

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Longest recorded sniper kills - Wikipedia

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A 12-pounder howitzer can shoot up to 10km. (To be fair though, aerial, terrestrial and aquatic/naval weapons are different in design and thus have different capabilities.)
(I'm not sure where the 900m range in Holden's range came from, unless they were going off of minimal/minimum range rather than maximal/maximum range.)

List of howitzers - Wikipedia

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12-pounder gun - Wikipedia

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QF 12-pounder 12 cwt naval gun - Wikipedia

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Adding to that is that the howitzer almost certainly has a higher calibre and thus bigger ammunition than the sniper rifle.
So no, the sniper rifle is OUTCLASSED HEAVILY by the howitzer.

I'd assume that Primal/Reximus would have an easier time sneaking around though given the differences in size of both them and their weapons, so perhaps Primal/Reximus should have an easier time being able to ambush Holden. (Hopefully Primal is also smart enough not to use vehicles which could give away his location due to noise, unless he can rig them to ram Holden by using weights to keep the accelerator down so he has no need to manually operate/man the vehicles himself.)

I think, for that reason, I will vote Primal winning/Holden losing.

 

[AppleMaker]

A 12-pounder howitzer can shoot up to 10km. (To be fair though, aerial, terrestrial and aquatic/naval weapons are different in design and thus have different capabilities.)
(I'm not sure where the 900m range in Holden's range came from, unless they were going off of minimal/minimum range rather than maximal/maximum range.)

QF 12-pounder 12 cwt naval gun - Wikipedia

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Adding to that is that the howitzer almost certainly has a higher calibre and thus bigger ammunition than the sniper rifle.
So no, the sniper rifle is OUTCLASSED HEAVILY by the howitzer.

I mean, Blood meridian takes place in the 19th century iirc, so it's a really old model of a howitzer, so it might have a shorter range

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I mean, Blood meridian takes place in the 19th century iirc, so it's a really old model of a howitzer, so it might have a shorter range

18 cm kurze Kanone M 80 - Wikipedia

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Even an 1881 howitzer can go up to 5km, MUCH longer than 900m but less maximum range than the anti-tank/anti-materiel sniper rifle.

(By the way, just for sake of clarification, marine actually only refers to saltwater whereas aquatic/naval can be with reference to any water body, and materiel is military items whereas material is whatever stuff is made out of, in case anyone's wondering about wording and spelling choices.)

 

[AppleMaker]

Primal is an MVP of our team currently. He taken out Patrick Bateman (even though he got revived recently) and most likely takes out Judge Holden

 

[Shadowslash125]

I just realised a fair bit of this tourney can actually be made for jokebattles/fcoc.
Ok OP, so iirc FCOC character wins can be added to their profiles even if they fight OG VSBW characters. It's just that the inverse isn't allowed (VSBW win/loss being added)
iirc joke characters too I guess?
So in conclusion, if FCOC vs VSB character, it can be posted in the FCOC forum. Joke character vs VSB for Jokebattles forum.
Also Primal FRA

 

[AppleMaker]

Powerscalers vs Fiction part 19: Kazuma_Kuwabara vs The Painters (0-0-0)

Rules: Everyone is 9-C Painters have no weapons Speed is not equalized Kazuma Kuwabara have Athletic LS and Average Stamina The guy who destroyed a broom: Edgy serial killers: Incon:

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[ThePrimalHunter]

So, I'm not too sure how well I'd do. A close ranged gunfight will get me killed since Holden seems better in that regard. The closest thing I have to that is me hunting smaller game, which will NOT help here

With prep time I honestly think my best bet would just be to do this:

Sounds bad.
Primal is inferior physically, have problems with vision(but good hearing abilities), and no good counter to precog. But he has better ranged equipment, and better weapon mastery feats.
Primal can drive away from town. And snipe away Holden from relative afar.
Primal FRA(extreme diff)

Holden wouldn't have a car nor would he know how to use a car, so that would be a huge advantage for me in terms of manuverability. This plus the fact that I have snipers that can outrange Holden means that I could just get him in the head from a great distance & take him down

The real problem is that I've never actually been in a life-or-death shootout like this while Holden has. In fact, he's been in shootouts with groups of people for probably all of his life. He'd know how to act and what to do in a gunfight, while I likely wouldn't. But then again, that might not matter due to the range difference

Type 5 Immortality shouldn't be a problem, and honestly I don't think Holden should have it. The book only implies that he's a supernatural being and statements like "I will never die" don't mean anything. I could say that I'm the strongest human of all time, but that doesn't mean I actually am & I shouldn't get a 9-C rating for it.

Might go with incon here, this really just depends on if Holden gets close to me or not, which given his Stealth Mastery & possible Teleportation, poses a challenge I'm not certain I could overcome

 

[AppleMaker]

So, I'm not too sure how well I'd do. A close ranged gunfight will get me killed since Holden seems better in that regard. The closest thing I have to that is me hunting smaller game, which will NOT help here

With prep time I honestly think my best bet would just be to do this:

Holden wouldn't have a car nor would he know how to use a car, so that would be a huge advantage for me in terms of manuverability. This plus the fact that I have snipers that can outrange Holden means that I could just get him in the head from a great distance & take him down

The real problem is that I've never actually been in a life-or-death shootout like this while Holden has. In fact, he's been in shootouts with groups of people for probably all of his life. He'd know how to act and what to do in a gunfight, while I likely wouldn't. But then again, that might not matter due to the range difference

Type 5 Immortality shouldn't be a problem, and honestly I don't think Holden should have it. The book only implies that he's a supernatural being and statements like "I will never die" don't mean anything. I could say that I'm the strongest human of all time, but that doesn't mean I actually am & I shouldn't get a 9-C rating for it.

Might go with incon here, this really just depends on if Holden gets close to me or not, which given his Stealth Mastery & possible Teleportation, poses a challenge I'm not certain I could overcome

Holden don't have teleportation in that matchup and starting distance is at sniper's range or 4 kilometers (if your weapons have higher range than that)