Garou vs Cooler (0-0-0)

[AigerTheKing]

I didn't expect this to be such a close/heated match

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I didn't expect this to be such a close/heated match

No it really isn't

garou stomps with passive radiation that's what most people atm are coming into agreement with

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Uh... what makes you think "robots" are not affected by radiation?

Just that

Also, no. It does work like that, they just weren't close enough. Blast also stated Bang would die from the radiation if he were to get close to Garou.

Radiation's potency changes based on the distance, immensely.

It's still weak enough not to kill instantly.

 

[MrTayman616]

No it really isn't

garou stomps with passive radiation that's what most people atm are coming into agreement with

I don't think any person ever called it stomp or makes decisions instantly.

(Btw, you know stomp means absolute victory with the enemy having no wincon rather than just winning, yes?)

 

[AigerTheKing]

No it really isn't

This is the longest thread I've seen so I thought it was due to a close MU

garou stomps with passive radiation that's what most people atm are coming into agreement with

Oh

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also I just realized this is parallel timeline garou not early cosmic garou

in that case garous radiation is 32748490200000 GY or 3274849020000000 Rads...

Thats over 654969804000x coolers resistance...cooler is cooked

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I don't think any person ever called it stomp or makes decisions instantly.

(Btw, you know stomp means absolute victory with the enemy having no wincon rather than just winning, yes?)

Yeah and how does cooler use any wincon without getting negged by the uncanny radiation aura

 

[AigerTheKing]

Uh... what makes you think "robots" are not affected by radiation?

Besides impacting their electrical components, radition wouldn't biologically hurt Robots

 

[MrTayman616]

Just that

Genos has resistance, not "Robots" in general. If OPM human characters has resistance to radiation, does that mean DB human characters automatically gets it? no.

It's still weak enough not to kill instantly.

Distance matters, immensely so.

Also I just realized this is parallel timeline garou not early cosmic garou

in that case garous radiation is 32748490200000 GY or 3274849020000000 Rads...

That's been disagreed later. You can check here

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Just that


It's still weak enough not to kill instantly.

Thats just for lower levels of GY

garou is making cooler experience far higher levels of GY at longer distances

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Besides impacting their electrical components, radition wouldn't biologically hurt Robots

Their electrical components are literally how robots stay active, without that they wouldn't even work

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's been disagreed later. You can check here

Even still, being 300x greater than cooler resistances is more than enough to just fry him

and he's doing this from just 1m away so close range is automatic death

 

[MrTayman616]

Yeah and how does cooler use any wincon without getting negged by the uncanny radiation aura

IT, sacrifical attacks via the army, can read the signals etc.

Thats just for lower levels of GY

garou is making cooler experience far higher levels of GY at longer distances

No. Radiation is stronger the closer you are. Not the opposite.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Genos has resistance, not "Robots" in general. If OPM human characters has resistance to radiation, does that mean DB human characters automatically gets it? no.

This resistance comes from the fact that he is a cyborg, which is different from a human, and therefore does not work. The same thing happens with Cooler.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No. Radiation is stronger the closer you are. Not the opposite.

Yeah but higher amounts of radiation would also be stronger than lower amounts of radiation at longer distances

in garous case he can make cooler experience 15000GY at 1m of distance and can just portal spam towards him to close the added distance

 

[Kachon123]

This resistance comes from the fact that he is a cyborg, which is different from a human, and therefore does not work. The same thing happens with Cooler.

Add the resistance to Meta Cooler's page and we can continue this conversation. But given there's no proof I doubt that would go well.

 

[MrTayman616]

This resistance comes from the fact that he is a cyborg, which is different from a human, and therefore does not work. The same thing happens with Cooler.

No. Being a cyborg itself isn't alone a cause of resistance. Genos himself is upgraded that way. That doesn't mean anything for Cooler.

If Genos resists heat, does that mean Cooler will as well since he's a cyborg? Genos has a supercomputer inside him, so Cooler must too. You can apply absolutely everything.

Also even if it was because Genos is "Cyborg" and only because of that he resists, it wouldn't mean anything as it would only affect the cyborgs in OPM, not both verses.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Their electrical components are literally how robots stay active, without that they wouldn't even work

Well if the Robot has a specific power source independent from just electric circuits around his body, it could change things

 

[Delusionaltx2]

This resistance comes from the fact that he is a cyborg, which is different from a human, and therefore does not work. The same thing happens with Cooler.

Actually as a normal cyborg it would be basically immpossible for him to resist 15000GY when technology gets fried at like 5000 rads

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well if the Robot has a specific power source, it could change things

This is a fairly simple case solved by just saying that the technology genos is made of can resist this level of radiation

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

No. Being a cyborg itself isn't alone a cause of resistance. Genos himself is upgraded that way. That doesn't mean anything for Cooler.

If Genos resists heat, does that mean Cooler will as well since he's a cyborg? Genos has a supercomputer inside him, so Cooler must too. You can apply absolutely everything.

Also even if it was because Genos is "Cyborg" and only because of that he resists, it wouldn't mean anything as it would only affect the cyborgs in OPM, not both verses.

It already says in his profile that he can withstand heat, which means that Garou's radiation only works on humans.

 

[MrTayman616]

It already says in his profile that he can withstand heat, which means that Garou's radiation only works on humans.

I gave an example. Also you're joking, right?

 

[AigerTheKing]

It already says in his profile that he can withstand heat, which means that Garou's radiation only works on humans.

Radiation doesn't only work on human, huh?

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

The radiation has to surpass his Ki barrier

Checkmate to all your arguments

 

[MrTayman616]

The radiation has to surpass his Ki barrier

Checkmate to all your arguments

Garou isn't a saiyan. Cooler was only defeated by them, so Garou can't win.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I gave an example. Also you're joking, right?

I'm not joking, I'm saying that Garou's ability is useless against machines, and does not affect beings other than humans, as shown in the work itself.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

It already says in his profile that he can withstand heat, which means that Garou's radiation only works on humans.

1. heat and radiation are not that same thing whatsoever

2. What is your argument here? Where is it stated that garous radiation explicitly works on just humans

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I'm not joking, I'm saying that Garou's ability is useless against machines, and does not affect beings other than humans, as shown in the work itself.

As already explained machines withstand up to 5000 rads before experiencing long term effects while garous passive radiation is like 300x that

 

[MrTayman616]

I'm not joking, I'm saying that Garou's ability is useless against machines, and does not affect beings other than humans, as shown in the work itself.

It's Genos who was made that way. It neither applies to all cyborgs or anything. Genos is the one who has the resistance.

It doesn't mean anything for a cyborg in an another verse.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I'm not joking, I'm saying that Garou's ability is useless against machines, and does not affect beings other than humans, as shown in the work itself.

"Ki won't kill Garou cuz it never killed someone like him " kind of arg

 

[Delusionaltx2]

To make matters worse garou can summon portals to just punch cooler from a distance or close the gap making distance a non issue

he only has to get within 1m before cooler just dies so this would be extremely easy

coolers ki attacks get countered by attack reflection and portals

Coolers RE isn't fast enough and lacks the feats

even if you wanna say "info anal would alert him about the radiation" or whatever he lacks the means to stop garou from getting near him or even prolong the fight

this is basically a stomp, literally what are coolers wincons?

 

[MrTayman616]

Coolers RE isn't fast enough and lacks the feats

That's not how his RE works to begin with. It isn't to make Garou feel another Saitama vs Garou.

coolers ki attacks get countered by attack reflection and portals

even if you wanna say "info anal would alert him about the radiation" or whatever he lacks the means to stop garou from getting near him

He has IT + He literally has an army of robots(at least hunderds of) with similar stats.

Radiation is a huge advantage, but not to the point of stomp.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's not how his RE works to begin with. It isn't to make Garou feel another Saitama vs Garou.

Slightly confused on what you mean here

He has IT

Which he can't abuse because his attacks either get reflected or involve him getting close leading to near immediate death

+ He literally has an army of robots(at least hunderds of) with similar stats.

And this does nothing because they all die the moment they get near him

Not only that but garou can adapt and grow on the off chance they somehow still do something

Edit: Any ranged attacks would also get reflected (making ki blast spam pointless) so there's that too

Radiation is a huge advantage, but not to the point of stomp.

It literally fries him in seconds and invalidates almost all of his offensive options wdym this isn't a stomp???

 

[Kachon123]

Nit-picking here, but almost everything.

What wouldn't Shakkei replicate and why

 

[MrTayman616]

Slightly confused on what you mean here

Which he can't abuse because his attacks either get reflected or involve him getting close leading to near immediate death

And this does nothing because they all die the moment they get near him

Not only that but garou can adapt and grow on the off chance they somehow still do something

Edit: Any ranged attacks would also get reflected (making ki blast spam pointless) so there's that too

It literally fries him in seconds and invalidates almost all of his offensive options wdym this isn't a stomp???

Those clones are capable of using IT.

They can basically do countless teleport style sacrifical attack against Garou. They can use supernova as well (based on the thread) As far as i've seen here, even their data helps Cooler evolve as well.

Also these cases are not stomp. Stomp is completely different than that, stomps has no detabe or argument to use or anything similar at all.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Those clones are capable of using IT.

Cool how do they abuse IT in a way that won't lead to an automatic L

Will they to to punch him? (They die immediately if they do + garou has regen so the damage would amount to nothing)

will they ki blast spam? (attack reflection + RE)

what can they do here that would serve as a long term wincondition

They can basically do countless teleport style sacrifical attack against Garou.

He regens from this effortlessly and can just blitz them with RE

this also assumes they land attacks when again he can just use WSRSF to reflect everything

They can use supernova as well (based on the thread) As far as i've seen here,

You mean the big planet busting key blast that also gets reflected or portal'd away?

Also I'm pretty sure garous RE being extremely fast + Pre-Stellar LS would just overpower it

even their data helps Cooler evolve as well.

It's no where near as good as garous and not only that but they have no feats suggesting they can adapt to radiation

Also these cases are not stomp. Stomp is completely different than that, stomps has no detabe or argument to use or anything similar at all.

A stomp is where one side has literally zero wincons here cooler has no actual winconditions nor does he have anything that legitimately threats garou

Everything gets hard countered by RE + Attack reflection + Passive radiation + Regen

 

[Huesito88]

Cool how do they abuse IT in a way that won't lead to an automatic L

Will they to to punch him? (They die immediately if they do + garou has regen so the damage would amount to nothing)

Instant Transmission while holding a Supernova Kamikaze

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Instant Transmission while holding a Supernova Kamikaze

This assumes garou dosen't

A. RE to a point where he just no-sells it

B. Portal it away

C. Reflect it between his far superior LS (Class P vs Pre Stellar) and Attack Reflection via WSRSF

 

[MrTayman616]

Cool how do they abuse IT in a way that won't lead to an automatic L

Will they to to punch him? (They die immediately if they do + garou has regen so the damage would amount to nothing)

will they ki blast spam? (attack reflection + RE)

what can they do here that would serve as a long term wincondition

Supernova. Low-Mid isn't that enough.

He regens from this effortlessly and can just blitz them with RE

this also assumes they land attacks when again he can just use WSRSF to reflect everything

His regen doesn't scale. WSRSF at equal speed, don't expect that kind of performance against hundreds of teleportation in zero time where they can even prep.

Also I'm pretty sure garous RE being extremely fast + Pre-Stellar LS would just overpower it

Not sure how LS works for this, won't make a comment on that.

It's no where near as good as garous and not only that but they have no feats suggesting they can adapt to radiation

So? I didn't say they'll evolve beyond radiation. They can cause instant stat increase to affect Garou with tp attack. Garou can handle it imo, but even that depends.

A stomp is where one side has literally zero wincons here cooler has no actual winconditions nor does he have anything that legitimately threats garou

He quite literally does.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Supernova. Low-Mid isn't that enough.

Yeah but supernova has to hit him...not just reach him...how does it hit him when this is being backup by attack reflection

hell, there's also the possibility Garou just copies Ki and uses the power null to negate it

His regen doesn't scale.

Yeah, but you'd also have to prove Supernova self-destruct BS can actually, you know...deal damage

how does it deal dmg when he's REing immediately to the point where he just tanks them

WSRSF at equal speed, don't expect that kind of performance against hundreds of teleportation in zero time where they can even prep.

Even then if they are only tping to punch him once and then die while he can just regen whats the point?

Not sure how LS works for this, won't make a comment on that.

This + power mimicry allows garou to do stuff like this

So? I didn't say they'll evolve beyond radiation.

If they can't the RE is basically useless, they can't keep up with him stat wise, he gains resistances while they don't...

They can cause instant stat increase to affect Garou with tp attack.

That garou adapts to in kind...

Garou can handle it imo, but even that depends.

On what?

He quite literally does.

No he dosen't

RE makes it to where he would just increase his stats to a point where he can just no sell or at worst tank the supernova then regen without it being fatal
Power mimicry + LS makes it to where he could just overpower the explosion or just nullify it
Coolers RE sucks compared to garou