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Sword Oratoria Volume 11
Aiz believes Ottar to be stronger than Revis
Level 7 Revis is stronger than Base Ottar
Monster Barca is stronger than Base Tiona but weaker than Gareth
Monster Barca's cursed blood can bypass the resistance of even level 6s
Falna makes an adventurer superhuman
Finn dices a Viola in 0.8 seconds
Sword Oratoria Volume 12
Nidhogg lore about it being the most powerful monster to exist outside of the Three Great Quests and how it couldn't be defeated by anybody from ancient times which should include Epimetheus.
Nidhogg's possible size shown in the SO manga dwarfing entire islands
Nidhogg's various titles and how it was only said to be defeated by gods and not mortals
Demi-Spirit Six Spirit Ring size. I'll probably just make an Imgur of all the info related to calcing Orario's size
Heaven's Gate created by the Six Spirit Ring is a ritual that approaches the power of gods so it's a 5-B ritual that was needed to kill Nidhogg. Also coupled together with how the Primordial Flames (Demi-Arcanum) only spawned Behemoth, Leviathan, and Antares. Its possible that its this Heaven's Gate (Actual Arcanum) is what spawned the Black Dragon which is stronger than the former Three Great Quests. Nidhogg is very likely stronger than Epimetheus and the Three Great Quests since it required actual Arcanum to be defeated since the Six Spirit Ring occurred after the rise and fall of Epimetheus according to Omori, despite Nidhogg having existed before Epimetheus' time.
Heaven's Gate damage size as shown in the SO manga
Damage of the Demi-Spirits version of Heaven's Gate
Destructive power of the Demi-Spirits version shown in the SO manga. It created a super deep hole and seems to have reached even the mountains which I assume is the Alf's Mountain which is at least 50 kilometers away from Orario. Though it could be even larger than this.
Gods/Goddesses (Deusdeas) potentially exist on a higher plane of existence
Also not sure if this page could be useful or not in determining the destruction of the Demi-Spirit's Heaven's Gate
I'm probably mostly just gonna use the manga from here on out. Reading the novel alongside the manga made me realize that the manga is way more fleshed out compared to the novel for SO12. Scenes in the novel that were like 3-5 pages were extended to a whole chapter in the manga with much more detail.
Base Revis stops Lil Rafaga with one hand. Confirming that Base Revis is in fact stronger than Base Ottar who needed to use full power to cancel out a weaker Aiz's Lil Rafaga
Revis considers Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger to be on a whole new level (Level 8). Which makes sense as Base Ottar is already at the peak of level 7 and Base Revis is stronger than him. So the only way for Aiz to completely stomp her is to become a level 8.
Crimson Flesh Armor Revis is strong enough that Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger couldn't pierce her armor
Merged Filvis is even stronger than Revis. But this can only be talking about Base Revis as Omori confirmed Merged Filvis is only a Peak Level 7 in her status sheet instead of a Level 8 which is probably the level Crimson Flesh Armor Revis reached with her being on par with Tempest-Avenger Aiz.
Demi-Spirits are all unharmed by getting hit by their own magic
The Six Demi-Spirits in Knossos are all weaker than the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59
Base Ottar blew away the Demi-Spirit altar's magic with a single slash
Base Ottar is far superior to Gareth
The Demi-Spirits were weakened by Fels by the time the second wave of adventurers joined in
When the Gulliver Brothers work together their strength is multiplicative and not additive
Allen is the fastest in Orario
Even after being weakened the Six Demi Spirits still has the power to destroy Orario with their main body which is incomparably stronger than the spirit altars
Mikoto's Futsu no Mitama can bend light. And narration said this after she bended the Demi-Spirit's Light Burst which means the Demi-Spirits' Light Burst is a lightspeed magic like Firebolt.
Welf's Unbreakable Crozzo Magic Sword, Shikou Kazuki, can scare the Demi-Spirits with its power
Level 4 Bell's strength is directly compared to that of a level 5
Merged Filvis is considered to be the biggest threat when compared to the Demi-Spirits
Merged Filvis' ultra short chant spell, Dio Thrysos is on par with if not superior to the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59. Filvis has the Mage DA and has shown multiple times to output magic strong enough to hurt level 4s as a level 3. Which means with her magic Merged Filvis should have the output of a level 8. This in turn means the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59 was also more likely outputting level 8 magic when she destroyed Floor 59.
Merged Filvis is considered to be the strongest of all monsters by narration with her magic. So Merged Filvis should be a level 7 physically, and level 8 w/ magic, with her magic likely being superior to even Crimson Flesh Armor Revis.
A theoretical example of how big the explosion of the Demi-Spirit's Heaven's Gate would've looked like is shown again
Nidhogg Demi-Spirit possesses the combined magic power of the other six Demi-Spirits
Nidhogg Demi-Spirit is weaker than the Six Spirit Ring but it still has the power to destroy all of Orario from 11 floors deep in Knossos. Edit: Forgot to mention but latest volume confirmed that it was only going to destroy the upper floors of Knossos and says that it won’t destroy Orario. So this feat sadly isn’t a destroy Orario from deep within Knossos feat.
The Corrupted Demi-Spirits are stronger than they were before
Crimson Flesh Armor Revis is weaker than Tempest-Avenger Aiz
The green flesh controlled by the Demi-Spirits is mass several times the aggregated size of Orario
Also a great view of majority of Orario in the SO manga. Not sure if its better to use this image or the actual map of Orario we got from Astrea Record though.
Asfi, Ryu, & Aisha's teamwork combined with the various weapons and items allowed them to fight beyond a level 5 category (Meaning they probably reached level 6 in this fight)
Asfi, Ryu, Aisha, & Lefiya teaming up multiplied their power manyfold
Base Ottar defeated a Corrupted Demi-Spirit all alone
Riveria defeated a Corrupted Demi-Spirit with Rea Laeveteinn
Gareth dealt the finishing blow on a Corrupted Demi-Spirit
Tione, Tiona, Argana, & Bache together with all of their skills activated managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit
Asterius managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit himself
Allen also managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit with his magic Gralineze Fromel
Bell defeats the Nidhogg Demi-Spirit with his Grand Bell Argonaut at max charge
Man I started this reread way too early. The SO manga still hasn't finished SO12. It probably won't finish until like another 4-6 chapters from the looks of it. Back to the novel I guess.
White Wind Ariel Aiz managed to one shot Crimson Flesh Armor Revis something Tempest-Avenger Aiz couldn't do
And that's it for SO12 unless the SO manga adds any new info or feats
Also here's the Imgur I made of the info we have that can be used to calc the size of Orario
Aiz believes Ottar to be stronger than Revis
Chapter 2: The Decisive Battle Intermission“I…can’t lose anymore. No. I don’t want to lose. Not to that person, that creature…If I lose against them, I might lose everything.”
“…”
“That’s why…I want to become stronger.”
But that wasn’t enough of an explanation for someone who did not know about the existence of Knossos or the creature she referred to. It could have been a complete non sequitur.
But there was a tenacity in her voice permeating each word, and that was very real.
“Even Finn and the others couldn’t win against them.”
“…”
“I don’t know anyone stronger than me—stronger than them…except you. That’s why I want to learn from you.”
Level 7 Revis is stronger than Base Ottar
Chapter 3: The True Face of a God“But in pure Status terms…she’s definitely stronger than you as you’re facing me right now.”
“…”
While Aiz thought back to Levis’s strength when they had clashed in Knossos, Ottar’s eyes narrowed. As if she had fanned the flames of his fighting spirit.
One of the most frightening things about the boaz was that he wasn’t fighting at full strength—no use of magic or even any skills. Ottar was simply facing her with only his pure ability. And he was overpowering her with just his physical prowess despite her wind and other deadly techniques. He made free use of his unimaginable battle experience and an overwhelming depth of tactics. More than anything, considering Ottar’s race, she was sure that he still had an ace up his sleeve.
Monster Barca is stronger than Base Tiona but weaker than Gareth
Chapter 5: Obsession ManifestAn audible thud echoed through the room. The full force of her charge had been stopped. The herculean strength pressing back against her caused Tiona’s eyes to snap open in surprise, but she was all smiles again.
“Gareth iiiiiiis…even stronger…than thiiiiiis…!”
Monster Barca's cursed blood can bypass the resistance of even level 6s
Chapter 5: Obsession Manifest“Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh?!” shrieked those in the perimeter who’d been pelted by the black rain.
Their skin turned a revolting jet the instant they made contact with the droplets, and as blood spurted out of their eyes, noses, and mouths, they writhed in agony. Regardless of whether they were members of Loki Familia or Hermes Familia , they collapsed to the ground and rolled around in pain. Moans of broken spirits permeated the room.
It had all happened in the blink of an eye, leaving everyone rigid with shock.
“Poison?! No…it can’t be…A curse?!”
Asfi’s eyes opened wide in disbelief at this indescribable scene. Even those with Status abilities that resisted afflictions suffered the same symptoms. It was indiscriminate. The Loki Familia members were taken aback, then started using the anti-curse medicine on those who were afflicted.
“Gaaaaaaaargh…?!”
“I-it isn’t working?! The anti-curse medicine won’t break them free?!”
They kept coughing up blood, cries piercing through the ears of everyone in the room. Tiona, Tione, and Finn were motionless. Amid, standing by at the back, caught her breath.
It was an extremely powerful curse. The blood splattered the floor, giving off a black smoke. Filling the room with its toxic miasma, the Barca Monster started spraying its black blood again.
Falna makes an adventurer superhuman
Chapter 6: And Then The God SmiledThe followers of a late god could not wield their enhanced abilities without first converting to a new deity. The Blessing engraved on her back had fallen silent in accordance with the contract.
Finn dices a Viola in 0.8 seconds
Chapter 6: And Then The God SmiledAs Loki tensed, Finn arrived at a decision faster than light, executing his next actions immediately. He heaved his patron goddess into the air above his head with his right hand, leaving her to Tione above him in one second. And in the next, he used the Fortia Spear in his left hand to disembowel the approaching viola.
As time stood still for everyone else, those two seconds were fateful for Finn. The green flesh closing in from behind roared as the pitiful prum sank into its inescapable range
Sword Oratoria Volume 12
Nidhogg lore about it being the most powerful monster to exist outside of the Three Great Quests and how it couldn't be defeated by anybody from ancient times which should include Epimetheus.
Chapter 1: The Price of DefeatGareth and Riveria looked down at the sketch spread across the desk. Nidhogg was said to be a monster that existed in the Ancient Times. When Lefiya had given him the sketch, Finn had investigated it, but all he could find was that it was speculated to be one of the oldest calamities that had been released by the Dungeon, even before Behemoth, Leviathan, or the Black Dragon, the targets of the Three Great Quests.
But this was all speculation, because detailed literature on it could not be found, so it was just Finn’s conjecture based on the time frame of the background. According to the minimal accounts of Nidhogg, it had apparently been so overwhelmingly powerful that it had thrust the world into the depths of despair. It had been strong enough that the ancient people had no chance of striking it down themselves.
Nidhogg's possible size shown in the SO manga dwarfing entire islands
Nidhogg's various titles and how it was only said to be defeated by gods and not mortals
Chapter 3: Rabbit Oracle“That’s why the information is so fuzzy…Like in this book, it’s not a dragon; it’s a snake. And its name is ‘the world devourer’ or ‘the one who dwells in burning rage."
“‘The world devourer’…”
“When I first heard the name Nidhogg, I didn’t recognize it at all,” Tiona added.
From when Tiona was young, she had always loved reading the epics. If she did not know anything about it at all, Nidhogg must have really been a faceless monster. Aiz started to think back on the faceless mastermind, subconsciously superimposing Enyo over the evil dragon.
“What hero defeated your version of Nidhogg, Tiona?” Aiz asked.
“Ummm, there wasn’t a hero in the story about the world devourer.”
“Then who defeated it?” Tione responded with another question.
“I dunno.”
“Huh?”
“Everything is vague, like ‘it was erased by a great god’ or ‘it was purified by the heavens,’” Tiona responded with a sullen look. “Plus, I don’t know anything about the six maidens…”
Demi-Spirit Six Spirit Ring size. I'll probably just make an Imgur of all the info related to calcing Orario's size
Chapter 3: Rabbit OracleRiveria pursed her lips and leaned forward, drawing six circles on the map of Knossos in red ink. One in the north, one in the northeast, one in the southeast, one in the south, one in the southwest, and one in the northwest. They were centered on the large halls on Knossos’s tenth floor where they expected the demi-spirits were being concealed. When she connected the six points, it created a perfect circle, completing the ring.
“…These six chambers—this ring…Just how much of Orario does it cover?” Gareth asked.
“The center of Orario—no, the central area surrounding the Dungeon’s entrance. That would make it a little bigger than Central Park,” Finn responded.
Anakity placed a map of Orario with a similar scale atop the blueprint of Knossos. Just like Finn had said, it overlapped with the area at the center of the city. No one needed further elaboration to understand what the enemy wanted—what Enyo, the city destroyer, was trying to do.
Heaven's Gate created by the Six Spirit Ring is a ritual that approaches the power of gods so it's a 5-B ritual that was needed to kill Nidhogg. Also coupled together with how the Primordial Flames (Demi-Arcanum) only spawned Behemoth, Leviathan, and Antares. Its possible that its this Heaven's Gate (Actual Arcanum) is what spawned the Black Dragon which is stronger than the former Three Great Quests. Nidhogg is very likely stronger than Epimetheus and the Three Great Quests since it required actual Arcanum to be defeated since the Six Spirit Ring occurred after the rise and fall of Epimetheus according to Omori, despite Nidhogg having existed before Epimetheus' time.
Chapter 3: Rabbit OracleThe ultimate spell. The spirits’ six rings. The extermination ritual that once destroyed the evil dragon.
It had to be the greatest destructive miracle in the mortal realm, one that approached the power of Arcanum.
“This ceremony is known as Heaven’s Gate . Placing the spirits around the massive magic circle and using the spirits themselves as mediums, it summons the power of the heavens, creating a pillar that approaches the power of the gods. A spell that brings death but one that could only be performed once multiple great spirits had already gathered together and joined their power…It’s almost too powerful.”
Heaven's Gate damage size as shown in the SO manga
Damage of the Demi-Spirits version of Heaven's Gate
Chapter 3: Rabbit OracleA power close to that of the gods. A special loophole that had been allowed to occur when the mortal realm was being overrun by monsters.
The brain could not comprehend its scale.
“And its destructive power?” Bete followed up.
“Powerful enough to blow away all of Orario and the surrounding area .”
Destructive power of the Demi-Spirits version shown in the SO manga. It created a super deep hole and seems to have reached even the mountains which I assume is the Alf's Mountain which is at least 50 kilometers away from Orario. Though it could be even larger than this.
Gods/Goddesses (Deusdeas) potentially exist on a higher plane of existence
Chapter 4: Nameless HeroesThey were candid about their reaction to Enyo, but it was tinged with a more general awe at the works of the deusdea, who existed on a higher plane. As everyone stood there around the table, a moment of silence settled over the room.
Also not sure if this page could be useful or not in determining the destruction of the Demi-Spirit's Heaven's Gate
I'm probably mostly just gonna use the manga from here on out. Reading the novel alongside the manga made me realize that the manga is way more fleshed out compared to the novel for SO12. Scenes in the novel that were like 3-5 pages were extended to a whole chapter in the manga with much more detail.
Base Revis stops Lil Rafaga with one hand. Confirming that Base Revis is in fact stronger than Base Ottar who needed to use full power to cancel out a weaker Aiz's Lil Rafaga
Revis considers Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger to be on a whole new level (Level 8). Which makes sense as Base Ottar is already at the peak of level 7 and Base Revis is stronger than him. So the only way for Aiz to completely stomp her is to become a level 8.
Crimson Flesh Armor Revis is strong enough that Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger couldn't pierce her armor
Merged Filvis is even stronger than Revis. But this can only be talking about Base Revis as Omori confirmed Merged Filvis is only a Peak Level 7 in her status sheet instead of a Level 8 which is probably the level Crimson Flesh Armor Revis reached with her being on par with Tempest-Avenger Aiz.
Filvis Challia Status SheetBecause it would break into pieces if wielded by the unified form of Filvis and Ein, whose presumed potential reached the upper limits of Level 7, she had not retrieved it, marking a break with her past.
Demi-Spirits are all unharmed by getting hit by their own magic
The Six Demi-Spirits in Knossos are all weaker than the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59
Chapter 6: The Divine Providence of DespairThe spirit altar was more militant than imaginable. To the first-tier adventurers of Loki Familia and Tsubaki, they estimated the six pillars’ abilities to be lower than those of the demi-spirit in the unexplored territory of the fifty-ninth floor, but they also noticed the labyrinth itself that made up the altar provided an effectively inexhaustible supply of magic. Like the passages covered in green flesh, the pillars had a regenerative ability to recover if they were wounded. Even though most of the magic power was being used for the spell to destroy the city, the spirits’ vitality was extraordinary, and to top it off, they even had a petal armor protecting their bodies. The spirit’s actual body was protected from a knockout blow.
Base Ottar blew away the Demi-Spirit altar's magic with a single slash
Base Ottar is far superior to Gareth
The Demi-Spirits were weakened by Fels by the time the second wave of adventurers joined in
When the Gulliver Brothers work together their strength is multiplicative and not additive
Allen is the fastest in Orario
Even after being weakened the Six Demi Spirits still has the power to destroy Orario with their main body which is incomparably stronger than the spirit altars
Mikoto's Futsu no Mitama can bend light. And narration said this after she bended the Demi-Spirit's Light Burst which means the Demi-Spirits' Light Burst is a lightspeed magic like Firebolt.
Welf's Unbreakable Crozzo Magic Sword, Shikou Kazuki, can scare the Demi-Spirits with its power
Level 4 Bell's strength is directly compared to that of a level 5
Merged Filvis is considered to be the biggest threat when compared to the Demi-Spirits
Merged Filvis' ultra short chant spell, Dio Thrysos is on par with if not superior to the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59. Filvis has the Mage DA and has shown multiple times to output magic strong enough to hurt level 4s as a level 3. Which means with her magic Merged Filvis should have the output of a level 8. This in turn means the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from Floor 59 was also more likely outputting level 8 magic when she destroyed Floor 59.
Merged Filvis is considered to be the strongest of all monsters by narration with her magic. So Merged Filvis should be a level 7 physically, and level 8 w/ magic, with her magic likely being superior to even Crimson Flesh Armor Revis.
A theoretical example of how big the explosion of the Demi-Spirit's Heaven's Gate would've looked like is shown again
Nidhogg Demi-Spirit possesses the combined magic power of the other six Demi-Spirits
Nidhogg Demi-Spirit is weaker than the Six Spirit Ring but it still has the power to destroy all of Orario from 11 floors deep in Knossos. Edit: Forgot to mention but latest volume confirmed that it was only going to destroy the upper floors of Knossos and says that it won’t destroy Orario. So this feat sadly isn’t a destroy Orario from deep within Knossos feat.
The Corrupted Demi-Spirits are stronger than they were before
Crimson Flesh Armor Revis is weaker than Tempest-Avenger Aiz
The green flesh controlled by the Demi-Spirits is mass several times the aggregated size of Orario
Also a great view of majority of Orario in the SO manga. Not sure if its better to use this image or the actual map of Orario we got from Astrea Record though.
Asfi, Ryu, & Aisha's teamwork combined with the various weapons and items allowed them to fight beyond a level 5 category (Meaning they probably reached level 6 in this fight)
Asfi, Ryu, Aisha, & Lefiya teaming up multiplied their power manyfold
Base Ottar defeated a Corrupted Demi-Spirit all alone
Riveria defeated a Corrupted Demi-Spirit with Rea Laeveteinn
Gareth dealt the finishing blow on a Corrupted Demi-Spirit
Tione, Tiona, Argana, & Bache together with all of their skills activated managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit
Asterius managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit himself
Allen also managed to defeat a Corrupted Demi-Spirit with his magic Gralineze Fromel
Bell defeats the Nidhogg Demi-Spirit with his Grand Bell Argonaut at max charge
Man I started this reread way too early. The SO manga still hasn't finished SO12. It probably won't finish until like another 4-6 chapters from the looks of it. Back to the novel I guess.
White Wind Ariel Aiz managed to one shot Crimson Flesh Armor Revis something Tempest-Avenger Aiz couldn't do
Chapter 8: A Heroes' Chorus“—What?!”
Her chest was ripped open. There was a track of a single slash running diagonally across her chest. The white flash had cut through the armor of flesh and reached her magic stone, splitting that vibrant, gleaming mass in two.
“Impossible?!”
As she looked down at her chest, her right hand instinctively reached up to cover the wound, but it turned to ash. That was the fate of all monsters whose cores had been destroyed. The corrupted sword slipping from her hand and clattering to the floor caused the creature’s eyes to fly open in shock.
And that's it for SO12 unless the SO manga adds any new info or feats
Also here's the Imgur I made of the info we have that can be used to calc the size of Orario
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