Garou vs Cooler (0-0-0)

[Phoenks]

I never really looked at the Garou's GRB attack before but why the hell does it have the power of a real one again? The justification is just "it was compared to a real one" which on itself shouldnt be an justification for that, the picture link for that statement doesnt works, and then if it was as strong as a real one the entire solar system would get evaporated even without garou not direcing it to earth because its in the Atmosphere and the heat transfer would ignite the atmosfer transfering all the Oxygen to ozone and Ozone oxidizing Nitrogen to nitrogen pentaoxide, If not outright atominizing the planet.

Garou's ability is to copy all forces and energies in the cosmos through having omniscient knowledge and awareness of it all.

So there is absolutely zero reason for him to have used a weak version of the Gamma Ray Burst, since he's able to copy any universal phenomena perfectly. Which he showcased in his nuclear fission punches beforehand (and is straight up confirmed in the beginning of his cosmic awakening). We also know that Garou can copy things that are even stronger than real-world gamma ray bursts, due to him being able to copy Saitama's serious punch, alongside Garou not giving AF about any of the life on Earth, so there would be no reason for him to not use the full strength of a gamma ray burst. If anything, you could say it was a more concentrated version.

Supported by the fact that the narration outright just info-dumps that the gamma ray burst is the most powerful explosion in the universe right when he uses it. Not hard to put together that this was meant to be on the same level as a real one, even if it was smaller and the outcome of it isn't exactly the same as what would happen in a physics-accurate scenario

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'm guessing all of you are voting for your character?

Bingo

 

[Epiccheev]

Robert Garouney Jr FRA

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What are the arguments of OPM fans besides Garou's weak radiation, which couldn't even kill the weak heroes who are continent-level?

 

[Epiccheev]

weak heroes who are continent-level

Bro is wanking the OPM heroes. That's stronger than Boros.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Bro is wanking the OPM heroes. That's stronger than Boros.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

I think Metal Cooler can handle it

 

[MrTayman616]

What are the arguments of OPM fans besides Garou's weak radiation, which couldn't even kill the weak heroes who are continent-level?

Is this suppose to be a joke or serious?

I think Metal Cooler can handle it

You mean the radiation or?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

So basically they both fight and then garou hits cooler with a gamma ray nuke then cooler f***ing dies?

 

[Huesito88]

Is Garou passive radiation enough to destroy the coolers or just the GRB?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Is Garou passive radiation enough to destroy the coolers or just the GRB?

Just the GRB (based on what I read)

the passive radiation wouldn't be an issue since genos could resist it even while heavily damaged so cooler (who is fully inorganic) should be fine

 

[RedReaper616]

2 things to add:

Garou learns IT: Okey, to use IT he needs to signal a Ki signature to use the teleport, Cooler is a robot, he has no Ki signature and Goku could not sense the real Cooler inside the Gete Star as well, so him learning Ki is completely useless without anyone to apply the technique

This is only SORT of true. Goku could NOT sense the real Cooler. But he COULD sense the Metal Coolers and IT'd around him, so Garou could definitely use IT to teleport around Metal Cooler.

Information Analysis & Power Bestowal (The main computer of the Big Gete Star is constantly monitoring Meta-Cooler's body, immediately detecting and then repairing any damage he receives, then corrects whatever flaws in his design that allowed the injury<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Cooler#cite_note-The_Return_of_Cooler-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)


It seems that Cooler got IT thanks to his defeat in Earth and the big gete star gave him this technique after being repaired thanks to the data

No. It is never explained on how Cooler learned IT. He just simply did, somehow, between the first film and the second after coming into contact with the BGS. That said, Cooler does go from incapable of sensing or seeing Goku's IT movements to being capable of such later after adapting, so presumably, Cooler could adapt to some degree to Garou's hax abilities. That said, Cooler's demonstration is not all that crazy relative to Garou. Plus, he's never demonstrated gaining resistances. He's only demonstrated seemingly gaining a new ability (Perception, which is not the most impressive thing in the world) and Stat Increases (Durability, Speed, and Strength increases). It's very unlikely to be game changing.

If Garou use GBR, the Gete star will give Cooler the same technique

--No. The adaptation of the BGS doesn't do this.

and the resistance to use it,

He's never demonstrated gaining resistance.

to use IT you need spirit control which is not something normal Ki users can do

But Garou could copy and learn himself, given a form of Ki exists in OPM. (As seen with Atomic Samurai).

Wasn't it the reason given by the Elder Kai?

nvm, i guess i was wrong then, seems like it's the HCT only as it is sealed off from the world.

Yeah, that's what I've been trying to explain. The HTC is unique in this, it's the exception, not the rule. Now, if Hyperspace has similar Ki-Sense Blocking properties, sure, but on a fundamental level IT should work.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Is this suppose to be a joke or serious?

You mean the radiation or?

yes, he could simply attack the garou, using the teleportation dimension along with the Kiai

Besides, why hasn't anyone talked about Cooler's reactive evolution yet? He could simply adapt to Garou's radiation in the next generation.

 

[MrTayman616]

Is Garou passive radiation enough to destroy the coolers or just the GRB?

GRB guaranteed. Passive radiation, depends on the distance. At a meter distance, it scales to around 17000 Gy. Without any resistance, such amount would still do it. (Also based on real life comparisons of electronics)

the passive radiation wouldn't be an issue since genos could resist it even while heavily damaged so cooler (who is fully inorganic) should be fine

That's a resistance feat for Genos. Insanely so, since his brain actually still remains in his body. His resistance is such that it can't even reach the brain.

Yeah, that's what I've been trying to explain. The HTC is unique in this, it's the exception, not the rule. Now, if Hyperspace has similar Ki-Sense Blocking properties, sure, but on a fundamental level IT should work.

I mean, the dimensional seals exist in OPM, and Blast who can sense divine power situations etc from another dimensions couldn't sense God's beasts entering from the gap in space-time. (Nor sensed Kirin's interference as well)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's a resistance feat for Genos. Insanely so, since his brain actually still remains in his body. His resistance is such that it can't even reach the brain.

Why would we assume that genos survived because the radiation supposedly failed to reach his brain when it could also just be due to garous radiation not being potent enough to effect machines?

 

[MrTayman616]

Why would we assume that genos survived because the radiation supposedly failed to reach his brain when it could also just be due to garous radiation not being potent enough to effect machines?

Genos himself states his resistance to radiation.

Also a radiation that can kill peope fifteen meters away within a minute would affect it immensely. you're underestimating the effects of radiation

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes, he could simply attack the garou, using the teleportation dimension along with the Kiai

The main problem is that garou could just nuke him with the GRB and unless cooler decides to teleport 100s of lightyears away from garou or smth (which he has seemingly no reason to) then he loses

Besides, why hasn't anyone talked about Cooler's reactive evolution yet? He could simply adapt to Garou's radiation in the next generation.

It's because garous RE is just better

 

[RedReaper616]

I mean, the dimensional seals exist in OPM,

Is this the normal dimensional seal/barrier, or an extra layer of dimensional seal on top of the natural one?

and Blast who can sense divine power situations etc from another dimensions couldn't sense God's beasts entering from the gap in space-time.

This is actually fairly relevant. If Blast can sense Divine Energy interdimensionally and couldn't sense God's Beasts entering from Hyperspace, then it does stand to reason that Garou could trap the Metal Coolers in Hyperspace. That said, how sure are we this is because it's Hyperspace? I mean, Blast senses energy across dimensions, as noted before, and Blast was sensing the changes on Earth outright when talking about the Dimensional Seal and how Garou was gonna break through--Implying that there's sensory still allowed, and that instead God's Beasts themselves are unique in that they bypass Blast's Divine Sensory. Plus, Blast sensed the Dimension Blade of Empty Void, which if I remember correctly, literally uses Hyperspace.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Genos himself states his resistance to radiation.

Yeah but it's never stated exactly that he's resistant because he just blocks radiation

not to mention that machines in general can withstand way more radiation than human beings

Also a radiation that can kill peope fifteen meters away within a minute would affect it immensely. you're underestimating the effects of radiation

1000 rads iirc was the amount needed to kill humans within a short time frame while machines/silicon based devices can endure up to 5000 rads

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is this suppose to be a joke or serious?

Garou's radiation doesn't kill instantly; even weak characters were resisting it. You guys are pushing it too far with this radiation.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Garou's radiation doesn't kill instantly; even weak characters were resisting it. You guys are pushing it too far with this radiation.

Thats his passive radiation

The argument is that his active radiation through GRB would fry cooler and the big geti star

 

[AmonInChains]

radiation was supposed to be neutralized by Blast, but funny retcon came

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Thats his passive radiation

The argument is that his active radiation through GRB would fry cooler and the big geti star

What is GRB?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What is GRB?

 

[MrTayman616]

Is this the normal dimensional seal/barrier, or an extra layer of dimensional seal on top of the natural one?

The story doesn't dive much into it. But the story line and context implies it to be unnatural, to keep God away at least.

That said, how sure are we this is because it's Hyperspace? I mean, Blast senses energy across dimensions, as noted before, and Blast was sensing the changes on Earth outright when talking about the Dimensional Seal and how God's Beasts were gonna break through--Implying that there's sensory still allowed, and that instead God's Beasts themselves are unique in that they bypass Blast's Divine Sensory.

Name of the gates are "hyperspace gates"(since hyperspace is kinda retconned rn)

The location is there is named "gap in space time", where the god's beasts came from. He has to regularly check the location, aka where his post is. It wouldn't be necessary if he could sense the dimension.

The other one isn't likely, as that would mean they could just choose to hide from Blast and then attack the world.

Plus, Blast sensed the Dimension Blade of Empty Void, which if I remember correctly, literally uses Hyperspace.

Sadly retconned

1000 rads iirc was the amount needed to kill humans within a short time frame while machines/silicon based devices can endure up to 5000 rads

Garou's scale a lot higher than that. 15643.064 Grays in a meter distance. Basically equals to 1564306.4 rads

Garou's radiation doesn't kill instantly; even weak characters were resisting it. You guys are pushing it too far with this radiation.

Radiation's potency vastly changes based on the distance.

Also... what? do you really think it's something like "I'm continent level and i kinda resisted radiation, if only i was moon level" or something? lol.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Garou's scale a lot higher than that. 15643.064 Grays in a meter distance. Basically equals to 1564306.4 rads

When was that accepted??

 

[MrTayman616]

When was that accepted??

Here. It's in the current radiation blog as well.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Here. It's in the current radiation blog as well.

Nvm this is basically a stomp then

Cooler dies the second any of them make contact

 

[Huesito88]

Nvm this is basically a stomp then

Cooler dies the second any of them make contact

Actually it's within a meter of Garou

 

[MrTayman616]

Actually it's within a meter of Garou

But he also said "contact" d:

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That lightning bolt there

Radiation's potency vastly changes based on the distance.

Also... what? do you really think it's something like "I'm continent level and i kinda resisted radiation, if only i was moon level" or something? lol.

That doesn't change anything. Even then, it didn't kill beings instantly, and even if it did work, which it doesn't, Cooler's body isn't like that of ordinary humans. He's a robot and can't be affected by radiation.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Actually it's within a meter of Garou

oh yeah ur right

Forgot 1m is like 15000 GY, which is like 1.5m rads

 

[MrTayman616]

That doesn't change anything. Even then, it didn't kill beings instantly, and even if it did work, which it doesn't, Cooler's body isn't like that of ordinary humans. He's a robot and can't be affected by radiation.

Uh... what makes you think "robots" are not affected by radiation?

Also, no. It does work like that, they just weren't close enough. Blast also stated Bang would die from the radiation if he were to get close to Garou.

Radiation's potency changes based on the distance, immensely.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That lightning bolt there

What about it exactly?

That doesn't change anything. Even then, it didn't kill beings instantly,

Yeah cause they were like 10s of meters away

Also garous radiation is accepted as 15000GY

and even if it did work, which it doesn't, Cooler's body isn't like that of ordinary humans. He's a robot and can't be affected by radiation.

5000 rads is enough to induce long-term effects on silicon based devices (average everyday technology or machines)

15000GY (garous accepted value for this key) translates to 1.5M rads which is ~300x more than what coolers resistance would be

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

from what I've researched, 10.000 Greys kills people in about two weeks

I don't see why this would be so drastic.

 

[MrTayman616]

from what I've researched, 10.000 Greys kills people in about two weeks

That is wrong, very very wrong. (Where'd you find such a thing lol :d)

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Megumin solos both

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

That is wrong, very very wrong. (Where'd you find such a thing lol :d)

probably the unit of measurement is wrong, I researched better and it really is quite a lot

 

[AmonInChains]

from what I've researched, 10.000 Greys kills people in about two weeks

I don't see why this would be so drastic.

Lmao no, just 1,000 gy could kill someone in <1 hour.

100,000 roentgens/rad (1,000 Gy) causes almost immediate unconsciousness and death within an hour

 

[Delusionaltx2]

from what I've researched, 10.000 Greys kills people in about two weeks

I don't see why this would be so drastic.

10 GY is enough to kill people within hours...

garous passive value is 15000GY (assuming 1m of distance) which is 1500x more than that

this shortens the timeframe down considerably