Tomura Shigaraki Vs Kai (My Hero Academia Vs Ninjago) [13-0-0]

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tomura Shigaraki Vs Kai
Post Releasement Kai is used
Completed Shigaraki is used
Speed is equalized
Fight takes place in Shizuoka Japan near the UA fortress
Starting Distance: 100 meters

Fight OST:


Symbol of Fear: @Machmatej @JoeDM021 @XSOULOFCINDERX @Shadowslaya! @Ebihara @CastoriceTheFifth @Catbowtie @Lloydblitzed @MANOFGOD7 @Arkansalter2 @TegamiBachi25 @MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden @Anonymous_Learner

The Fire Ninja:

 

[Machmatej]

According to google, lego minifigures are 4cm. Is Kai gonna be sized up or is he just fighting a titan rn

 

[TegamiBachi25]

According to google, lego minifigures are 4cm. Is Kai gonna be sized up or is he just fighting a titan rn

ngl, the idea of all the matches being average size humans vs a lego minifigure is kind of funny

 

[AigerTheKing]

According to google, lego minifigures are 4cm. Is Kai gonna be sized up or is he just fighting a titan rn

Im pretty sure the creator said they were not toy sized in the show tho

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Im pretty sure the creator said they were not toy sized in the show tho

WOG!!!!! Omg WOG!!!

 

[AigerTheKing]

WOG!!!!! Omg WOG!!!

I forgot interacting with fans "too much" is worthy of a WoG ban

 

[AigerTheKing]

On a serious note, what ability would actually work against Kai here?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

On a serious note, what ability would actually work against Kai here?

If you mean kill him. Decay

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If you mean kill him. Decay

At a 100 meters range, he'll def see it coming and use flight abilities

 

[Lloydblitzed]

On a serious note, what ability would actually work against Kai here?

Decay which can deco objects and people

 

[AigerTheKing]

If you mean kill him. Decay

Can he decay beams (like his fire blasts) ?

 

[Machmatej]

I'll assume Kai is sized up to a normal human's height because he doesn't have small size on his profile.

With a brief look at Kai's profile, he has a massive AP advantage, but loses in most aspects. Speed is equalized, but Shigaraki seems to have the better speed amps. He can use quirk combinations to amp his speed, which allowed to keep up with a Gearshift-amped Deku, who was previously blitzing him. His Reactive Evolution makes his body constantly grow stronger and faster, and his Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis is strong enough to predict Deku's next move despite him being literally invisible in Shigaraki's point of view. So if anything, Shigaraki would have a great speed advantage.

In terms of physical stats, Shigaraki has way better LS, which is probably useless in this fight but worth mentioning. And Kai's durability is irrelevant considering a single touch from Shigaraki is literally dusting him. Idk how the dragon form works, but without it Shigaraki would have a massive range and AOE advantage.

Like seriously, what is Kai doing in this situation?

Every single one of those fingers is capable of using Decay, and he can simultaneously do a Widespread Decay by touching the ground and just delete the entire city they're fighting in, along with Kai if he doesn't run away.

His flames won't be hot enough to burn him, he doesn't have enough DC to completely destroy the flesh fortress (Shigaraki can just regenerate anyway), and even if Kai tries to fly away

Shigaraki can just make these tendril things to try to grab him, or spam ribet stabs in the air, or radio waves, or literally anything. Remember, Kai has to destroy all of THAT without getting touched, with a speed disadvantage.

Shigaraki can also just scan his weaknesses and know his fear of water

Considering they're fighting in a coastal city, Shigaraki will absolutely take the fight to sea if he thinks it's necessary.

 

[Machmatej]

Can he decay beams (like his fire blasts) ?

Probably. Go to 3:51

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I'll assume Kai is sized up to a normal human's height because he doesn't have small size on his profile.

With a brief look at Kai's profile, he has a massive AP advantage, but loses in most aspects. Speed is equalized, but Shigaraki seems to have the better speed amps. He can use quirk combinations to amp his speed, which allowed to keep up with a Gearshift-amped Deku, who was previously blitzing him. His Reactive Evolution makes his body constantly grow stronger and faster, and his Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis is strong enough to predict Deku's next move despite him being literally invisible in Shigaraki's point of view. So if anything, Shigaraki would have a great speed advantage.

In terms of physical stats, Shigaraki has way better LS, which is probably useless in this fight but worth mentioning. And Kai's durability is irrelevant considering a single touch from Shigaraki is literally dusting him. Idk how the dragon form works, but without it Shigaraki would have a massive range and AOE advantage.

Like seriously, what is Kai doing in this situation?

Every single one of those fingers is capable of using Decay, and he can simultaneously do a Widespread Decay by touching the ground and just delete the entire city they're fighting in, along with Kai if he doesn't run away.

His flames won't be hot enough to burn him, he doesn't have enough DC to completely destroy the flesh fortress (Shigaraki can just regenerate anyway), and even if Kai tries to fly away

Shigaraki can just make these tendril things to try to grab him, or spam ribet stabs in the air, or radio waves, or literally anything. Remember, Kai has to destroy all of THAT without getting touched, with a speed disadvantage.

Shigaraki can also just scan his weaknesses and know his fear of water

Water isn't a weakness for this version of Kai anymore, just saying

Considering they're fighting in a coastal city, Shigaraki will absolutely take the fight to sea if he things it's necessary.

Will reply to this and the rest later, loads of missed stuff

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Btw, if he needs to blitz Kai to win, than the MU wouldn't be valid

 

[Machmatej]

Water isn't a weakness for this version of Kai anymore, just saying

Idk much about him, I'm just reading off the profile

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Water isn't a weakness for this version of Kai anymore, just saying

Shigaraki has a quirk that identifies all Kai’s weaknesses. He’s gonna wear a Santa outfit against Kai

 

[Machmatej]

Btw, if he needs to blitz Kai to win, than the MU wouldn't be valud

he doesn't, I'm just trying to say Kai's speed amps are pretty much useless (Also passive growth and analytical prediction aren't blitz amps but still give him a massive speed advantage)

 

[Machmatej]

Shigaraki has a quirk that identifies all Kai’s weaknesses. He’s gonna wear a Santa outfit against Kai

"The villains need a Santa of their own, Kai."

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If I remember correctly, Shigaraki’s Analytical Prediction allows him to predict perception blitzes and Deku’s own danger sense allowed him to predict blitz level attacks before so this should also apply to Shigaraki since he stole the quirk.

 

[Machmatej]

If I remember correctly, Shigaraki’s Analytical Prediction allows him to predict perception blitzes

Said that

Deku’s own danger sense allowed him to predict blitz level attacks before so this should also apply to Shigaraki since he stole the quirk.

True, blitzing Shigaraki here is impossible and he'll just slowly grow faster and faster

 

[AigerTheKing]

Probably. Go to 3:51

Meh I doubt its gonna decay the flames since his stress power looks like something of a different category

Shigaraki has a quirk that identifies all Kai’s weaknesses. He’s gonna wear a Santa outfit against Kai

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I'll assume Kai is sized up to a normal human's height because he doesn't have small size on his profile.

With a brief look at Kai's profile, he has a massive AP advantage, but loses in most aspects. Speed is equalized, but Shigaraki seems to have the better speed amps. He can use quirk combinations to amp his speed, which allowed to keep up with a Gearshift-amped Deku, who was previously blitzing him. His Reactive Evolution makes his body constantly grow stronger and faster,

Kai has RDT which is superior to Spinjitzu which is also a good Speed amp.

and his Analytical Prediction and Information Analysis is strong enough to predict Deku's next move despite him being literally invisible in Shigaraki's point of view. So if anything, Shigaraki would have a great speed advantage.

Kai ≈ Zane > Reflectra who knew all of the Ninjas moves and how to counter

In terms of physical stats, Shigaraki has way better LS, which is probably useless in this fight but worth mentioning. And Kai's durability is irrelevant considering a single touch from Shigaraki is literally dusting him. Idk how the dragon form works, but without it Shigaraki would have a massive range and AOE advantage.

Like seriously, what is Kai doing in this situation?

Every single one of those fingers is capable of using Decay, and he can simultaneously do a Widespread Decay by touching the ground and just delete the entire city they're fighting in, along with Kai if he doesn't run away.

Kai is the kind that would dodge/attempt to counter attacks and not stand there like an idiot anyways, and he's good with taking many opponents at once or dodge big barrages of attacks

His flames won't be hot enough to burn him, he doesn't have enough DC to completely destroy the flesh fortress

Kai was able to burn down a gigantic dragon and huge parts of a mountain like structure. He also scales to Fire Fang (snake guy stole his powers) who was flaming up city blocks and also Shigaraki has 0 resistance to his Resistance Negation so no defense against Kai's flames

(Shigaraki can just regenerate anyway),

Shigaraki can't really resist Resist Neg so...

and even if Kai tries to fly away

Shigaraki can just make these tendril things to try to grab him, or spam ribet stabs in the air, or radio waves, or literally anything. Remember, Kai has to destroy all of THAT without getting touched, with a speed disadvantage.

Considering they're fighting in a coastal city, Shigaraki will absolutely take the fight to sea if he things it's necessary.

That wouldn't be much of a problem since he has about 3 ways of flying

 

[AigerTheKing]

In terms of physical stats, Shigaraki has way better LS, which is probably useless in this fight but worth mentioning. And Kai's durability is irrelevant considering a single touch from Shigaraki is literally dusting him. Idk how the dragon form works, but without it Shigaraki would have a massive range and AOE advantage.

Like seriously, what is Kai doing in this situation?

Giant ranged sword cuts

 

[Machmatej]

Kai has RDT which is superior to Spinjitzu which is also a good Speed amp.

Doesn't seem like much a blitz amp to me, and can't really compare to gaining the ability to fight an opponent who is literally too fast to percieve.

Kai ≈ Zane > Reflectra who knew all of the Ninjas moves and how to counter

Again, not exactly the same as predicting someone who you can't even see.

Kai is the kind that would dodge/attempt to counter attacks and not stand there like an idiot anyways, and he's good with taking many opponents at once or dodge big barrages of attacks

That doesn't really help him win, he'll eventually just get tired or become to slow to dodge (Shigaraki passively grows stronger and faster)

Kai was able to burn down a gigantic dragon and huge parts of a mountain like structure. He also scales to Fire Fang (snake guy stole his powers) who was flaming up city blocks and also Shigaraki has 0 resistance to his Resistance Negation so no defense against Kai's flames

Giant ranged sword cuts

Not enough to fully vaporize an endlessly expanding flesh fortress which constantly regenerates and adapts.

That wouldn't be much of a problem since he has about 3 ways of flying

Characters who can fly also struggled to dodge everything. And that was a weakened Shigaraki who was pretty much just goofing off

 

[AigerTheKing]

Doesn't seem like much a blitz amp to me, and can't really compare to gaining the ability to fight an opponent who is literally too fast to percieve.


Again, not exactly the same as predicting someone who you can't even see.

Didn't you say Shigaraki can win without blitzing?

That doesn't really help him win, he'll eventually just get tired or become to slow to dodge (Shigaraki passively grows stronger and faster)

Not enough to fully vaporize an endlessly expanding flesh fortress which constantly regenerates and adapts.

Why do we assume he'll survive an AP thousands of time above his and won't be K.O. by the force of the attacks? Like Lloyd said, 0 resistance to Resistance Negation against his Fire powers (including the heat factor)

Characters who can fly also struggled to dodge everything. And that was a weakened Shigaraki who was pretty much just goofing off

Kai was toying with the Nindroids in the clip he sent too

 

[JoeDM021]

Shigaraki FRA as well as kai js getting outpaced and technically shigaraki could adapt to kai's ap advantage but idk how long it would take

shigaraki js has to touch kai once and he can easily do that via flesh fortress in which its stated every finger could use decay and just 5 of them could decay a city so yea kai's probably cooked

 

[AigerTheKing]

technically shigaraki could adapt to kai's ap advantage but idk how long it would take

How will he adapt an AP 1000x above his?

shigaraki js has to touch kai once and he can easily do that via flesh fortress in which its stated every finger could use decay and just 5 of them could decay a city so yea kai's probably cooked

Shigaraki only has Mid Regeneration, which isn't enough to regenerate from burned into nothing

Regeneration (Mid with Super Regeneration. Has Hood's Quirk, which can regenerate his entire body from his severed head)

 

[Machmatej]

Didn't you say Shigaraki can win without blitzing?

Adaptation, Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction are all passive things. And the point is Kai wouldn't be winning because of a speed advantage.

Why do we assume he'll survive an AP thousands of time above his and won't be K.O. by the force of the attacks? Like Lloyd said, 0 resistance to Resistance Negation against his Fire powers (including the heat factor)

Kai can't really touch him without disintegrating, at least in his flesh fortress form. And Shigaraki is resistant to heat upwards of 5000 degrees (Arguably up to a few million degrees but whatever), and Kai's profile only has Resistance Negation to invulnerability to Earth, Sand and Ice Manipulation.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Doesn't seem like much a blitz amp to me, and can't really compare to gaining the ability to fight an opponent who is literally too fast to percieve.

Then the matchup is invalid if a blitz amp is the only way for him to win... (Also, I can make an argument against that with Shatterspin but wtv)

 

[Machmatej]

Shigaraki only has Mid Regeneration, which isn't enough to regenerate from burned into nothing

Shigaraki isn't getting burned lmao

 

[AigerTheKing]

Shigaraki isn't getting burned lmao

You need resistance to Resistance Negation against Fire Manip to resist it, even with layers (there's a reason its called Resistance Negation)

 

[AigerTheKing]

Adaptation, Information Analysis and Analytical Prediction are all passive things. And the point is Kai wouldn't be winning because of a speed advantage.


Kai can't really touch him without disintegrating, at least in his flesh fortress form. And Shigaraki is resistant to heat upwards of 5000 degrees (Arguably up to a few million degrees but whatever), and Kai's profile only has Resistance Negation to invulnerability to Earth, Sand and Ice Manipulation.

Did you read the profile and the form used for this matchup? This isn't SOE Kai, this is Post Releasment Kai who has everything from all keys besides Dragon Form, Insect Form and SOE

 

[Machmatej]

Then the matchup is invalid if a blitz amp is the only way for him to win... (Also, I can make an argument against that with Shatterspin but wtv)

If we ignore Decay, LS, Possession, Soul Damage, and Fear Hax... Then yeah, a blitz amp is the only way he can win.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Shigaraki isn't getting burned lmao

Prove the Flesh Monster thing has Mid-High Regen?

 

[Machmatej]

Did you read the profile and the form used for this matchup? This isn't SOE Kai, this is Post Releasment Kai who has everything from all keys besides Dragon Form, Insect Form and SOE

I don't see resistance negation to fire resistance on his profile

 

[AigerTheKing]

If we ignore Decay, LS, Possession, Soul Damage, and Fear Hax... Then yeah, a blitz amp is the only way he can win.

So we can't add the match per Versus Thread rules

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles.

• As a result, winning a speed equalized match against a faster opponent due to a speed boost so large that it blitzes the opponent will not be added.

Fear hax doesn't work due to Kai's resistances

 

[Machmatej]

Prove the Flesh Monster thing has Mid-High Regen?

The thing can regenerate as much as it needs to as long as Shigaraki's original body isn't decapitated.

 

[AigerTheKing]

I don't see resistance negation to fire resistance on his profile

?

Spinjitzu Mastery & Standard Elemental Master Abilities

• Resistance Negation against Invulnerability to: Fire Manipulation (1 layer: Has shown on multiple occassions to be able harm the Stone Warriors and bypass their resistances to the powers of the The First Spinjitzu Master by using the Elemental Blades, who's Elemental Powers are stated to be the only force capable of defeating the Stone Army, which is also backed up by Wu. The Elemental Blades were also implied to contain the Ninjas Elemental Power, meaning they should possess this ability even without the blades. He could later on burn Anacondrai, who were previously unfazed by his fire)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Shiggy FRA.