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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

noninho said:
He clearly gave her pressure because she was not feeling well, seeing her master/friend like that, and yet she was going blow for blow with him, also giving him pressure.
Of course we see more signs of struggle from Ahsoka, we don't see Darth Vader's face lol.

And she came back from being pushed, still giving him a headache
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She wasn't certain of Vader's true identity until she cut open his mask. And you can go blow for blow without being equal. He catches her momentum with one block and keeps pushing and pushing. Vader doesn't struggle to do this

Also, what headache? She caught him trying to force pull the Sith holocron away from Ezra and Kanan. The only way she could've actually had him is if she managed to injure him during her sneak attack
 
I will be keeping things the way they are but mentioning that "Endor Sidious and Post-Rebels Vader pack large periods of time"

And finally, will be writing the full on chain on a verse-acceptable way, i wish myself some luck.

Sir_Marvulous said:
And you can go blow for blow without being equal. He catches her momentum with one block and keeps pushing and pushing. Vader doesn't struggle to do this
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i know, poor Cere Junda is proof This is a supporting feat, because yeah, at the start she was just being pressured, but after that failed sneak attack, she could give him substantial damage and then they both were going pretty much equals, with yeah, Vader getting an advantage.
But the reason why i can't concede and put at max a "≥" between them is because much like Endor Sidious and P-Rebels Vader pack a large period of time and variying power level, Rebels Ahsoka is also doing the same, englobing her own show there too, which has the other mentioned battle, which ends with Ahsoka getting Ghost Anakin in a killing position
 
noninho said:
i know, poor Cere Junda is proof
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I mean, in that case, he really fought seriously.

Although "fighting seriously" varies in terms of power, as someone fighting seriously isn't necessarily going all out.


“It was a very clear decision from the start for him to only be using one hand with his lightsaber, where he’s kind of like, testing Cere out and he’s not sure and he’s not sure yet if he needs to take her seriously. And then you see after the archives come down on him, it’s two hands all the way after that. That’s when he gets serious”
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Phsccarvalho said:
I mean, in that case, he really fought seriously.

Although "fighting seriously" varies in terms of power, as someone fighting seriously isn't necessarily going all out.
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Well, yeah
And she got him below some rubble and got mugged less than 10s later

"Vader fought seriously" is very vague, yes
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Do you have access to these two books?
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Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith (book)

Star Wars: Jedi vs. Sith is a canon reference book that compiles content previously published in Star Wars: Jedi Battles (2013) and Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded (2016). It was published by DK Publishing in 2016. ISBN 9781465458827; 2016; DK Publishing; US hardcover[1]...
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Star Wars: The Story of Darth Vader (2015)

Star Wars: The Story of Darth Vader is a canon DK Readers Level 3 title that traces the rise, fall, and redemption of Darth Vader through the Star Wars film saga. It is a reissue of the 2008 Star Wars Legends title of the same name by author Catherine Saunders, with sixteen pages of additional...
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Quite possibly there are good statements about Vader's power getting stronger over time.


It's literally in his profile that Sidious delved deeper into the Force after RotS. In addition to the several phrases of him saying that people's hatred for him makes him stronger.


Sidious's Endor Key is from his post-RotS version until his death.

Besides the fact that Yoda never faced this version of Sidious, he only faced RotS Sidious, it's still decades since Sidious delved deeper into the dark side.

EDIT: Besides, this attack by Sidious against Vader was in "Darth Vader (2020) # 7", which takes place between Episode 5 and 6, and we know that in episode 6 Vader is stronger than before. (besides, in Darth Vader 2020 # 40 he managed to block Sidious's lightning well)
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First one is not canon BTW
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Might we ever get a CRT to get this calc evaluated and applied: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Hagane_no_Saiyajin/Darth_Quellus_"muting"_a_star_redone
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I disagree with this being literally "star muting", the fact that it was "spreading night" and prohibiting light (through the spread of night) seems to suggest that it's something like producing a large cloud rather than the star itself being dimmed.

Conversely, you can argue that it is a literal muting but to dim the star (assuming it's at a earth-like distance away from the sun) to the point where it "spreads night" is more than dimming the corona.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho Do the two new books have anything to add to the Force page?
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I was looking at more things for Vader, I think the page is good for now.

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho might this be of any help?

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I downloaded it, I'll take a look.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
@Phsccarvalho might this be of any help?

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DARTH SIDIOUSUS vs JEDI MASTERS
When Mace Windu led a team of Jedi Masters to apprehend DarthSidious, none of them expected to face the power of the Sith Lord. His innocent appearance as Chancellor Palpatine, along with anapplication of a concentrated dark side confusion haze, enabled Darth Sidious to take down Agen Kolar, Kit Fisto, and Saesee Tiin. Thisleft Mace Windu to battle the Sith Lord. Windu nearly overpoweredDarth Sidious, forcing him into a corner and holding him at bladepoint. It was Anakin Skywalker who severed Mace Windu's arm,allowing Darth Sidious to win the fight with a blast of Force lightning.

MASTER vs. APPRENTICE
When it became clear that Anakin was lost to the dark side andhad adopted the title Darth Vader, Obi-Wan was left with no optionbut to confront his former apprentice. Years of fighting side-byside left these warriors evenly matched, and their exhausting duelcrossed the fiery landscape of a Mustafar refinery. It was Anakin'soverconfidence, fueled by the dark side, which led to his defeat.A mistimed leap over Obi-Wan allowed him to swiftly cut Anakin,leaving him disabled on the shore of a lava river.

A NEW JEDI HOPE
Although he had been only briefly instructed by Yoda, Luke Skywalkers howed great ability in the Force during his duel with Darth Vaderon Bespin. He had enough strength to challenge Vader, but Luke wasfar too hasty. The Dark Lord used telekinetic attacks and a shockingrevelation to overpower the young Jedi. Darth Vader had already cutoff Luke's hand when he crushed Luke's spirit by revealing that hewas in fact Luke's father, Anakin Skywalker.
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I think these were the most interesting things I noticed.
 
Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Might there be anything to add to these two pages?
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I don't think so.

The most that exists is a long-range technique of throwing the lightsaber and guiding it with the Force, but nothing more.
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Can you download this and send it to me? You download things from here, don't you? I couldn't download it.

Star Wars visual encyclopedia The Visual Encyclopedia - Anna’s Archive

Patricia Barr; Adam Bray; Cole Horton; Dennis Muren Covering more than 2,500 characters, creatures, planets, vehicles, Droids, weapons, technology, and Dorling Kindersley Limited
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Phsccarvalho said:
Can you download this and send it to me? You download things from here, don't you? I couldn't download it.

Star Wars visual encyclopedia The Visual Encyclopedia - Anna’s Archive

Patricia Barr; Adam Bray; Cole Horton; Dennis Muren Covering more than 2,500 characters, creatures, planets, vehicles, Droids, weapons, technology, and Dorling Kindersley Limited
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Phsccarvalho said:
The first one is from 2016 and has the Disney logo, why wouldn't it be canon?
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I have a question:
The Jedi Path, Bounty Hunter's Code and other books from the same collection have the disney logo and publications ranged between 2010 and 2016 but are called Legends in the label
So it's legends or canon?
 
noninho said:
I have a question:
The Jedi Path, Bounty Hunter's Code and other books from the same collection have the disney logo and publications ranged between 2010 and 2016 but are called Legends in the label
So it's legends or canon?
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Generally, things released before Disney's split between Legends and Canon are Legends, with a few exceptions (the Disney logo is just to show who owns the thing). That's why I also mentioned it was from 2016.

Sometimes Disney makes new versions of past things, making them canonical.

When Disney reprints (reprints, not new versions), they add the Legends banner to indicate that it's a Legends. But I think they only do this for books, novels, and comics. I don't know if they add this banner to encyclopedias, dictionaries, etc.

For example, these two below:
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Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary

Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary is a Star Wars Legends hardcover reference title that was first released by DK Publishing on September 25, 2006. It is a compilation of the first four entries in the Star Wars Visual Dictionaries series: Star Wars: The Visual Dictionary (1998), Star...
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Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, New Edition

Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary, New Edition is a canon reference book in the Star Wars Visual Dictionaries series. It was written by Pablo Hidalgo and David Reynolds, and published by DK Publishing on September 18, 2018. The book is a compilation of several previous entries in the...
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The fandom wiki tells you whether something is Legends or Canon. Of course, it's a fandom wiki, nothing official, but I've never seen anyone complain about how they classify it, so... I guess if you have any doubts, you can look at it like this.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
One thing I don't like about Star Wars is how the scale/fights sometimes come with tons of context.

It's never just about seeing the fight unfold and knowing what the scale is like; there are always like a million interviews or books/guides that tell you something.

For example, I was watching some footage of Old Obi-Wan vs. Maul, and there are several interviews from various sources that tell you things about the context of the fight.

For example, Maul vs. Old Obi-Wan. It's said in an interview that Maul completely underestimated Old Obi-Wan, and after the initial exchange in the fight, Maul tries to do the move with which he defeated Qui-Gon, but then it's said that Obi-Wan paid attention and was already prepared for it, so he saw the symmetry of the moment and cut him off. Since he learned from his master's mistakes.

On the one hand, it's cool to know that there were details that someone might not notice, but on the other hand, to ideally scale Star Wars, you need to go to college.
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Phsccarvalho said:
Do you have the book below in your library? It has more information on lightsaber shapes and techniques. It might be a good addition to the blog.
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Lightsabers and Jedi Equipment

"Lightsabers and Jedi Equipment" is the ninth issue in the canon reference book series Star Wars Encyclopedia, published by Altaya in France and by De Agostini in Spain. It focuses on lightsabers. Lightsaber The Seven Forms of Lightsaber Combat Ahsoka Tano's Lightsabers and Shoto Anakin...
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Update: Yes the references and scans are lacking, but can you guys already tell me if the way things are written is acceptable?

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Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
Here's to hoping I can keep pestering asking the Wookiepedia Discord for other pages
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Cere is much higher up there, at the level of the council.

Darth Vader, in the early days, easily defeated Eeth Koth, a Jedi master who was part of the council (described as more skilled than AOTC Obi-Wan), single-handedly (meaning he wasn't taking him seriously), as if he were joking (for the Inquisitors, Vader was joking). And Eeth Koth was amplified by the dark side.

Vader (early) < Vader (LotS) < OWK Vader ~ Vader (Jedi Survivor)

Cere made Vader actually take the fight seriously (unlike Koth or the Grand Inquisitor).

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Endor Sidious > RotS Sidious. It doesn't even make sense to put them as equals.
 
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