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taking a break on star wars sh*t rn
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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi
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Palpatine is paralyzed hax by a Force lightning technique (Battlefront 2).
Would you consider it fair that Vader could have "possible" paralysis resistance based on his ability to move in Return of the Jedi? Or not?
Would you consider it fair that Vader could have "possible" paralysis resistance based on his ability to move in Return of the Jedi? Or not?
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I want you to go play papa palps, then tell me his basic attacks paralyze.
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It's through the "Electrocute" ability in Battlefront 2, but outside of the game, it's impossible to know how this technique is used because it's just a normal Force lightning used in a different way.
Like the "Chain Lightning" ability in the game, which is just a regular Force lightning, but in a chain.
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It would have better support through Fallen Order, but I don't think anyone has tried using Force Stasis on Vader on YouTube. Because like, I'm 99% sure he only blocks it with TK if it's used.
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Get the CRT done and I'll edit them
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I'm traumatized from editing so many profiles.
Just in that process of separating Legends and Canon, there were over 81 profiles.
Just in that process of separating Legends and Canon, there were over 81 profiles.
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I think I'll do this along with cleaning up the profiles (deleting some)
Nonynho
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Hey @Phsccarvalho mind pulling that "Kylo Ren surpasses Vader" source again? Want to finish the scaling chain
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The only statements I know are those from episode 7, which say Kylo Ren is afraid he's not as strong as Vader.
And there's him killing the Zillo Beast, but he did it by throwing himself into the beast's mouth and cutting it open.
Other than that, I couldn't find anything else (not that I looked very hard, either).
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Speaking of the scaling chain.
The 8-A is due to the massive downscaling we get from Rebels' Vader, right?
But like, is that right?
For example, guys from Grand Inquisitor level and below also scale to this, but like...
Vader defeated him with little effort (and using only one hand) in their first encounter. Many years later (Vader getting stronger), Kanan accompanied the Grand Inquisitor at the end of the first season, and right at the beginning of the second season, Kanan and Erza were easily defeated by Vader, with Fioli saying that thing about the ghost group being level 5 and Vader being level 80.
So, like, even with such a huge difference, is downscaling possible?
It's just a question, because like, we don't have anything better, so even if downscaling weren't possible, we basically have nothing to replace. Almost all AP calculations are done by the higher level and those that are not, are either not accepted or are considered calculations outside of vsbattle (such as Padawan Ashoka's 8-B)
The 8-A is due to the massive downscaling we get from Rebels' Vader, right?
But like, is that right?
For example, guys from Grand Inquisitor level and below also scale to this, but like...
Vader defeated him with little effort (and using only one hand) in their first encounter. Many years later (Vader getting stronger), Kanan accompanied the Grand Inquisitor at the end of the first season, and right at the beginning of the second season, Kanan and Erza were easily defeated by Vader, with Fioli saying that thing about the ghost group being level 5 and Vader being level 80.
So, like, even with such a huge difference, is downscaling possible?
It's just a question, because like, we don't have anything better, so even if downscaling weren't possible, we basically have nothing to replace. Almost all AP calculations are done by the higher level and those that are not, are either not accepted or are considered calculations outside of vsbattle (such as Padawan Ashoka's 8-B)
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i think that just by the feats we can get somewhere because...well, they happened.
I also think we're always reaching more or less the 100% precise results, the scaling chain from feats is enough so far and, due to the lack of discussion, i think we'll be backing it up with calcs little by little
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It's like, the way things are, everyone's 8-A/Class M would become Low 7-C/Class T because Vader Rebels/post-Rebels is a higher tier (defeating strong Jedi with little effort). Which I think is a bit wrong, considering how Kanan and Erza from the first season would scale.
But as I said, unfortunately, we don't have anything better, except for Luke's High 8-C durability (because again, that 8-B from Ashoka was never accepted).
Man, what a boring situation.
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i feel fine just because i'm not involved in that part, but i feel you, mate
Let's go little by little to find a better solution!
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That do be Lego Star Wars though lol
But yeah in Legends Revan died truly at the same time Tenebrae finally died
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I know, I sent it because it showed up.
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I have a huge urge to delete most of the profiles, leaving only Force Sensitives (trained Jedi/Sith types) and Mandalorians (since they scale to some extent) as profiles (with the exception of some Grievous or IG-100 types, in case anyone likes them).
Like, as a clean sweep, to make it easier to scale.
Like, as a clean sweep, to make it easier to scale.
Ruby_R_Dracula
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I got a sandbxk with the magnaguards
anyways not opposed with the guards getting deleted, cuz that would mean I could post the rework without crt once I'm done
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Do it
Most of the others are so outdated that a full-on remake by a more dedicated member would be welcome later, rather than picking up little by little (like droids in general or giant animals)
Also do not delete IG-88. He got updated by me because a parent model, IG-11 scales to Din Djarin
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Bumping again because a I saw someone mention the Magnaguards getting a revamp.
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So I'll start gathering profiles to delete then.
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y'all apparently want to talk about the same guys
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Okay, I put this together.
As I said, the plan would basically be trained Force-sensitives and Mandalorians (who scale with gear. Although I propose removing Ursa Wren's profile). Note: some force-sensitives are in the sandbox because they simply don't have profiles, I'm just removing their faces from the page.
The few exceptions are those who scale with this character category (Magnaguards, Grievous, Karbin, etc.).
And I left the three giant monsters because it's cool to have giant monsters.
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Why do I kind of propose this? Like removing anyone who isn't trained Force-sensitives/Mandalorians and who scale? Because they have their own problems.
They are "normal" (some have superhuman feats) that depend on the weapon classification. But this is where the problems begin. The weapon calculations are from blogs outside the wiki, and with these weapons, they can injure Jedi in combat.
And honestly, that's a whole discussion. Either the equipment only hurts Jedi when it's not amplified, or it doesn't matter because blasters deal heat-based damage and Jedi don't have heat resistance by default (so superhuman durability doesn't even matter), or the weapons simply scale on their own.
Like, this is a whole discussion that affects tons of profiles (or future ones with the exclusion). And I think for now we should focus on the face of the verse? (jedi/sith mandalorians and the few that are the same)
Can I get your opinion on this "plan"? Any opinions on the selected profiles (remove from the selection or include some)
As I said, the plan would basically be trained Force-sensitives and Mandalorians (who scale with gear. Although I propose removing Ursa Wren's profile). Note: some force-sensitives are in the sandbox because they simply don't have profiles, I'm just removing their faces from the page.
The few exceptions are those who scale with this character category (Magnaguards, Grievous, Karbin, etc.).
And I left the three giant monsters because it's cool to have giant monsters.
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Why do I kind of propose this? Like removing anyone who isn't trained Force-sensitives/Mandalorians and who scale? Because they have their own problems.
They are "normal" (some have superhuman feats) that depend on the weapon classification. But this is where the problems begin. The weapon calculations are from blogs outside the wiki, and with these weapons, they can injure Jedi in combat.
And honestly, that's a whole discussion. Either the equipment only hurts Jedi when it's not amplified, or it doesn't matter because blasters deal heat-based damage and Jedi don't have heat resistance by default (so superhuman durability doesn't even matter), or the weapons simply scale on their own.
Like, this is a whole discussion that affects tons of profiles (or future ones with the exclusion). And I think for now we should focus on the face of the verse? (jedi/sith mandalorians and the few that are the same)
Can I get your opinion on this "plan"? Any opinions on the selected profiles (remove from the selection or include some)
Ruby_R_Dracula
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Racism to Non Force sensitive people
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You should bring it up with @Agnaa
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Why Agnaa specifically?
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Sequels Luke > RoJ Luke = OWK Obi-Wan > Rebels Ahsoka = Post-Rebels Vader ≥ Rey w/ Jedi Spirits > Sidious = Yoda > Kit Fisto / Plo Koon / Windu = Post-Mustafar Vader ≥ Dooku = RotS Obi-Wan = RotS Anakin = Grievous > Ben Kenobi ≥ Rebels Maul > Rey = Kylo Ren > ESB Luke > CW Anakin ≥ CW Maul = CW Ahsoka ≥ CW Obi-Wan > End of Season 2+ Din Djarin = Boba Fett > Qui-Gon Jinn > JS Cal / Cere Junda > Kanan > Ezra / JFO Cal / [prominent Jedi i forgor] > S1 Din Djarin > Ki Adi Mundi / [ur typical master] > Padawan Ahsoka > [ur typical Jedi knight] > Din Grogu > All "The Mandalorian" characters / Finn / Chewie / Etc
Final scaling chain guysssss, looking good?
Final scaling chain guysssss, looking good?
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If those are the ones planned to wreck, you can take off (i mean keep them alive):
Cad Bane (if more updates are needed, tell me, he should up to date)
Moff Gideon (same)
Dark Trooper (Same, tho i haven't messed with them yet, tell me what's wrong and i will)
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If it is, will be in my "finish someday" list to bring this to the format for the verse page and gg
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I'm not the best with scale, but why is there only one Sidious?
Like, there's RotS Sidius, post-Sidius (he got stronger and matched Vader in power, remaining stronger than him even as Vader got stronger over the years), and then there's Post-Dyad.
The problem is that there is no profile.
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Yeah, that is a big problem, but i won't be the one to create it so ignore what i said lol
I mean, last i know about Sidious is that he got surpassed by Post-Rebels Vader, 100%....
Post his "death" in episode 6 he grew stronger, yeah, but do we have basis to say "Stronger than Vader"? Or Ahsoka, Luke, etc? Hell no. He lost to an empowered Rey, but i'm sure that if surpassed Vader, they'd unite beside Luke too, so hell no, she doesn't surpass Vader too
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Vader was clearly overwhelming Ahsoka during their fight. He should be above her, not equal.
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Where did you get that from?
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Which fight do you mean?
Because in Rebels she is not stable and she can even push away that boy to keep fighting with him, going blow for blow the entire time
And in her show she started going blow for blow, things went a bit south and then she got the flow of the fight again and Anakin had a lightsaber to the neck at the end.
Can't see where she was being overwhelmed at all
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Do you have this book? It has a really good quote in it, I think.
Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side!
Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side! is a canon junior novel written by Tom Angleberger, author of the Origami Yoda series. The novelization adapts the film Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi, and it was first published on September 22, 2015 by Disney–Lucasfilm Press...
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Do you have this book? It has a really good quote in it, I think.
Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side!
Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side! is a canon junior novel written by Tom Angleberger, author of the Origami Yoda series. The novelization adapts the film Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi, and it was first published on September 22, 2015 by Disney–Lucasfilm Press...
@Phsccarvalho Here are also the Disney novelizations of the classic trilogy incase they can be or any help:
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Sorry, I didn't understand.
I thought it had already been downloaded.
I thought it had already been downloaded.
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First of all, you lol
You showed me that a short time after what we call "Post-Mustafar Vader", he surpassed Sidious
And we don't have basis to say that the buffs Sidious and Rey received are enough to take Vader out, hence why Sidious is mentioned only once and below Post-Rebels Vader
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Guy has standards for deletions one way or the other.
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