Madeline Vs. The Knight

[Skyrod5861]

Madeline
The Knight
Speed Equalised
No prep time
They start 15 meters apart
Madeline's second key (9A verion is used)
The Knight's first key is used
Battle takes place on top of celestial resort

Madeline: 1: (Eden_Warlock99) ​

The Knight: 4: (Robo432343) (Kellex) (Lloydblitzed) (Arceus0x)

 

[DavidTPPM]

You should link the profiles (ideally also list the values they scale to)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Transgender daughter versus nonbinary son

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You should link the profiles (ideally also list the values they scale to)

Madeline and Knight (But yeah he should)

Madeline scales to 48 588 000 joules, and Knight to 6635858.016 Joules, so 7.32x AP advantage for Madeline

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Knight repetively hits Madeline with Nail and kills her tbh

Soul, Mind, and Life Force Absorption (When the Knight hits a target with its Nail, they absorb a portion of the target's SOUL)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Knight repetively hits Madeline with Nail and kills her tbh

Knight's soul hax is not deadly, it's just a source for them to heal

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Knight's soul hax is not deadly, it's just a source for them to heal

It absorbs Soul energy tho?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

What part in my comment was hard to understand? It absorbs your soul energy, but it cannot kill you with it. That soul energy is just fuel for Knight to heal themselves

Either way, Knight stomps via AP advantage, skill and charms

 

[DavidTPPM]

What part in my comment was hard to understand? It absorbs your soul energy, but it cannot kill you with it. That soul energy is just fuel for Knight to heal themselves

Either way, Knight stomps via AP advantage, skill and charms

Just because characters in HK can survive with their soul, mind, etc being partially absorbed doesn't mean anyone can.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Just because characters in HK can survive with their soul, mind, etc being partially absorbed doesn't mean anyone can.

hax needs feats to one-shot, in the case of HK, his attacks do NOT one-tap a *****.

 

[DavidTPPM]

hax needs feats to one-shot, in the case of HK, his attacks do NOT one-tap a *****.

Again, that just means HK characters can survive soul/mind damage.

Just because destroying someone's soul in 1 verse doesn't kill people it doesn't mean doing so to someone from another verse isn't going to kill them as well.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Again, that just means HK characters can survive soul/mind damage.

Just because destroying someone's soul in 1 verse doesn't kill people it doesn't mean doing so to someone from another verse isn't going to kill them as well.

I will await the proof you have of either Madeline dying to any soul/mind damage whatsoever, or Knight's Mind/Soul hax one-shotting.

We function off of feats, not assumption.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Just because characters in HK can survive with their soul, mind, etc being partially absorbed doesn't mean anyone can.

It lacks feats to do so. We can't assume that such ability can kill anyone if no one in HK dies from it

 

[Arceus0x]

Y'all gotta read profiles better, Knight scales to 65 megajoules, not 6.6, that is false knight's feat that is support only.

 

[Arceus0x]

Anyways Madeline just straight up gets murdered here, there's nothing on the profile that can help.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I will await the proof you have of either Madeline dying to any soul/mind damage whatsoever, or Knight's Mind/Soul hax one-shotting.

This is like saying if a character with 1-A striking strength never one shotted someone they can't even one shot a 10-C character.

We function off of feats, not assumption.

Yeah and Madeline has no feats of surviving soul/mind damage so why are you assuming she can?

It lacks feats to do so. We can't assume that such ability can kill anyone if no one in HK dies from it

Same argument as before. This is just an appeal to ignorance that's pretending to be nuanced.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

This is like saying if a character with 1-A striking strength never one shotted someone they can't even one shot a 10-C character.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Haha funny. Now explain how/why the analogy doesn't work

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

If the 1-A guy is shown to not be capable to oneshot a 10-C, it means he can't

If The Knight can't kill with their soul absorbion, it means they can't

 

[Arceus0x]

SOUL is more like Ki in dbz but with the element of actual soul as well. Soul seems to regenerate over time and there's even soul in the air.
I don't think Knight can one-shot but he can definitely do more damage than just basic life asborption. Either way this is a stomp, please close this.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

If the 1-A guy is shown to not be capable to oneshot a 10-C, it means he can't

Is this a joke???

 

[Arceus0x]

Also the 1-A metaphor is ass if he can't kill a 10-C person he either has to be abstract in some way or he is NOT 1-A.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is like saying if a character with 1-A striking strength never one shotted someone they can't even one shot a 10-C character.

Yeah and Madeline has no feats of surviving soul/mind damage so why are you assuming she can?

1. Ass analogy. 2. I'm not going to explain for the 99999999th time why Undertale soul hax does not one-shot and neither does HK shit.

Same argument as before. This is just an appeal to ignorance that's pretending to be nuanced.

Your wanking Knight more than gooners wank to Hornet, now silence if you don't have the feats showing either Madekine dying to even the slightest soul hax or Knight's hax one-shotting.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Your wanking Knight more than gooners wank to Hornet,

 

[Arceus0x]

Your wanking Knight more than gooners wank to Hornet, now silence

You'd know about both wouldn't ya

Anyways don't tell people to silence themselves, they've the freedom to say whatever they want 'course it could get em banned but still

 

[DavidTPPM]

1. Ass analogy.

Can you actually explain what's wrong with it oooooor…?

2. I'm not going to explain for the 99999999th time why Undertale soul hax does not one-shot and neither does HK shit.

I didn't play Undertale nor do I care about it.

Your wanking Knight more than gooners wank to Hornet, now silence if you don't have the feats showing either Madekine dying to even the slightest soul hax or Knight's hax one-shotting.

Since when do we need to see a character die to a hax ability to conclude it works on them

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Since when do we need to see a character die to a hax ability to conclude it works on them

This sounds like the "Kai fire won't burn someone with no Heat resistances cuz it wasn't shown to burn anyone" arg

 

[DaReaperMan]

Can you actually explain what's wrong with it oooooor…?

There are like half a dozen reasons why a 1-A Character might not be able to nuke a 10-C, including...

1. Nonexistent Physiology
2. Abstract Existence
3. Acausality 5
4. Really any form of intangibility that's not elemental
5. Being unable to effect lower planes
6. CIS of not wanting to destroy lower planes
7. Not even being aware of that lower plane
8. Other things I'm probably forgetting

Since when do we need to see a character die to a hax ability to conclude it works on them

We need to see a character be one-shot to conclude it is able to one-shot in versus threads.

For instance, Khadgar freezing a ***** solid is non-lethal, and only would be to individuals who have a weakness to cold, while Ainz's despair auras are all instant effects, since we see them used as such whenever they come up.

We do not assume something would one-shot, it's all reliant on feats. As it stands Knight slapping you just has extra bite.

You'd know about both wouldn't ya

I'm not into nondescript insects, so...

Well, if you humanize it that's another story but hey.

 

[DavidTPPM]

There are like half a dozen reasons why a 1-A Character might not be able to nuke a 10-C, including...

1. Nonexistent Physiology
2. Abstract Existence
3. Acausality 5
4. Really any form of intangibility that's not elemental
5. Being unable to effect lower planes
6. CIS of not wanting to destroy lower planes
7. Not even being aware of that lower plane
8. Other things I'm probably forgetting

Wtf are you talking about lmao that has nothing to do with my analogy

We need to see a character be one-shot to conclude it is able to one-shot in versus threads.

No we don't.

Just because Joe Shmoe never one shotted someone with his 500 septillion degrees Celsius fire doesn't mean a mfer with 0 heat resistance is going to no sell it

For instance, Khadgar freezing a ***** solid is non-lethal, and only would be to individuals who have a weakness to cold, while Ainz's despair auras are all instant effects, since we see them used as such whenever they come up.

We do not assume something would one-shot, it's all reliant on feats. As it stands Knight slapping you just has extra bite.

That extra bite causing soul damage so again where is Madelines evidence of surviving soul damage?

I'm not into nondescript insects, so...

Well, if you humanize it that's another story but hey.

I don’t think I've gotten to THIS act of Silksong yet

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Reaper is being so corny that I'm willing to agree with David

 

[Lloydblitzed]

There are like half a dozen reasons why a 1-A Character might not be able to nuke a 10-C, including...

1. Nonexistent Physiology
2. Abstract Existence
3. Acausality 5
4. Really any form of intangibility that's not elemental
5. Being unable to effect lower planes
6. CIS of not wanting to destroy lower planes
7. Not even being aware of that lower plane
8. Other things I'm probably forgetting

This was not his point

We need to see a character be one-shot to conclude it is able to one-shot in versus threads.

Obviously someone with no lightning resistance will no sell 300000000000000000000 volts of electricity (Nobody in the show was one shot from it)

-Essentially your analogy

For instance, Khadgar freezing a ***** solid is non-lethal, and only would be to individuals who have a weakness to cold, while Ainz's despair auras are all instant effects, since we see them used as such whenever they come up.

We do not assume something would one-shot, it's all reliant on feats. As it stands Knight slapping you just has extra bite.

No its reliant on Resistances

 

[Arceus0x]

Reaper is being so corny that I'm willing to agree with David

Do it bro, he's going full gooner rn he needs to be taught a lesson

 

[DaReaperMan]

Wtf are you talking about lmao that has nothing to do with my analogy

This is like saying if a character with 1-A striking strength never one shotted someone they can't even one shot a 10-C character.

Come on, be real.

If you want to claim that wasn't what you were talking about, don't give me an analogy that easy to pick apart.

No we don't.

Just because Joe Shmoe never one shotted someone with his 500 septillion degrees Celsius fire doesn't mean a mfer with 0 heat resistance is going to no sell it

I have a question: is that a hax that is generally unquantifiable? Because Soul hax is unquantifiable. Fire, or Electricity, is not.

I can quantify and calculate the lethality of fire. I have a question: outside of specific verses, can you do so with soulhax? No "it should kill", I need hard facts of quantifying soulhax.

That extra bite causing soul damage so again where is Madelines evidence of surviving soul damage?

Now show me this soul damage being lethal.

 

[Catbowtie]

Doesn’t Madeline just dash and break the knight’s skull?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Doesn’t Madeline just dash and break the knight’s skull?

Honestly? Maybe. Their AP is fairly close so it's like like there's a major advantage here.

 

[Catbowtie]

iirc the Knight’s regular speed is abysmal compared to the feats Madeline pulls off in the prologue so it seems like a mobility diff to me.

 

[DaReaperMan]

iirc the Knight’s regular speed is abysmal compared to the feats Madeline pulls off in the prologue so it seems like a mobility diff to me.

You should remember that Knight's mobility is good... for something it's size lol

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Madeline is more acrobatic, but Knight has intangibility for his dash, a higher AP, AoE and long range attacks, far higher skills (Madeline is a climber, Knight a... Knight), as well as self healing and higher stamina.

 

[Arceus0x]

Speed is equal guys, even then Madeline is superhuman.

Mobility doesn't matter here, it's a matter of who gets the skill in combat and the ability advantage. Knight heavily outskills, outhaxes and yes, he just has Intangibility. Their AP is close and Knight's spells heavily outscale his base AP. This is basically a stomp since all Madeline can do is try n dash into him, a type of attack Knight deals with 24/7.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Madaline is more acrobatic, but Knight has intangibility for his dash, a higher AP, AoE and long range attacks, far higher skills (Madaline is a climber, Knight a... Knight), as well as healing and higher stamina.

to be fair though, Madeline's dashes are... well like 2x the size of anything Knight has ever faced lol

I'm fairly certain Knight's Shadow Dash can't even properly go through her attacks fully