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DanMachi/Sword Oratoria/Familia Chronicle/Heroic Myth Discussion Thread

Knights of Fianna doesn't have a novelization yet so there's nothing new to add so I'll just be skipping that.

Fulland of Water and Light

Not much to add here either since the game itself isn't really canon outside of the Fulland story. Not to mention it doesn't add anything to the scaling that we don't already know about. Only thing that's important to the scaling we got was from Omori's twitter posts.

Base Fulland (No Spirit Amp) is strong enough to make Post-Freya War Game Bell (who's stronger than Base Ais by Volume 19) despair at the difference in their power and that he's among the 20 strongest ancient heroes from the Age of Heroes. So the top 20 ancient heroes are all at least level 7.
you can actually use the holy grail using Arca's power to create the Orario replica as a creation feat, no reason not to as spirit power is equal to falna as stated by Jupiter, also there's tecnically nothing saying it can't be canon, at most it just feels weird that this event had to have happened in between the war game and the school district arrival which would be about a week, but the events of this story seen to take place within a day anyway so it doesn't really matter much
 
you can actually use the holy grail using Arca's power to create the Orario replica as a creation feat, no reason not to as spirit power is equal to falna as stated by Jupiter, also there's tecnically nothing saying it can't be canon, at most it just feels weird that this event had to have happened in between the war game and the school district arrival which would be about a week, but the events of this story seen to take place within a day anyway so it doesn't really matter much
Oh right the Orario creation feat. Forgot about that or rather I thought creation feats didn’t scale to their normal stat originally. Also what’s the current status on the different feats that every level scales to? Like is anybody listing all the possible feats somewhere like on Discord or a Google doc?
 
on my end I am thinking abt speed feats for the series as well, you mentioned the Argonaut lightnign attacks but there is also a case to be made for relativistic speeds through the Light quartz monster, how he's described as "a monster that shoots beams of light", which by itself doesn't mean much per se since this series overuses the ray of light description a lot and it's ridiculous to claim all of them are lightspeed, specially those that have evidence of the contrary, but Light quartz attacks in the novel are described as "burning a line through the ground" which is solid evidence to make a case for, and a level 4 Bell managed to leap away from it, I even spoke about it with a different mod and he spoke that the description seens fine

besides that there's Finn's "thought process at the speed of light" statement from SO 11 which is consistent with how the manga translated, just covering all my basis

also also there's the aurora dragon from volume 19 with his aurora dragon which it's powers are refracted light
 
on my end I am thinking abt speed feats for the series as well, you mentioned the Argonaut lightnign attacks but there is also a case to be made for relativistic speeds through the Light quartz monster, how he's described as "a monster that shoots beams of light", which by itself doesn't mean much per se since this series overuses the ray of light description a lot and it's ridiculous to claim all of them are lightspeed, specially those that have evidence of the contrary, but Light quartz attacks in the novel are described as "burning a line through the ground" which is solid evidence to make a case for, and a level 4 Bell managed to leap away from it, I even spoke about it with a different mod and he spoke that the description seens fine

besides that there's Finn's "thought process at the speed of light" statement from SO 11 which is consistent with how the manga translated, just covering all my basis

also also there's the aurora dragon from volume 19 with his aurora dragon which it's powers are refracted light
So is there a rough idea where they all scale so far? Cause so far what I seem to get is

Level 1: 9-B (Baseline for being superhuman)

Level 2: 9-A (Think there were a few 9-A feats for level 2 monsters)

Level 3: Unknown

Level 4: Unknown (Sub-relativistic or relativistic speed begins here?)

Level 5: Unknown

Level 6: Low 7-B+ (Basilisk/Red Dragon's city destruction statement)

Level 7: 7-B or 7-A (Demi Spirit Fire Storm)

Level 8: 7-A or High 7-A (Order of magnitude statement upscaling)

Level 9: High 7-A or 6-C (Order of magnitude statement upscaling)

Gods: High 6-A or 5-B (Arcanum destroying world statement)
 
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see my issue with this feat is that it operates under the assumption that the basilisk destroyed a single city all at once which has no evidence to believe that, for all we know the basilisk could take hours to do so and even then they would only be leaving the city in ruins, that's not the same as nucking an entire ancient city in one blast, so I don't really think this calc makes a lot of sense?
 
So is there a rough idea where they all scale so far? Cause so far what I seem to get is

Level 1: 9-B (Baseline for being superhuman)

Level 2: 9-A (Think there were a few 9-A feats for level 2 monsters)

Level 3: Unknown

Level 4: Unknown (Sub-relativistic or relativistic speed begins here?)

Level 5: Unknown

Level 6: Low 7-B+ (Basilisk/Red Dragon's city destruction statement)

Level 7: 7-B or 7-A (Demi Spirit Fire Storm)

Level 8: 7-A or High 7-A (Order of magnitude statement upscaling)

Level 9: High 7-A or 6-C (Order of magnitude statement upscaling)

Gods: High 6-A or 5-B (Arcanum destroying world statement)
you can scale level 6 to the demi spirit just fine, Gareth took the firestorm and got backed up on his feet seconds later to keep fighting, he was a high level 6 so no reason to believe level 6 adventurers shouldn't scale

as for the other levels, not sure what feats we can take besides like, shockwaves feat maybe? (I believe a level 1 Welf clashed with Zanir which caused a shockwave that apparently knocked Lili), if not then we can always just apply 10x multipliers with the order of magnitude statement
 
you can scale level 6 to the demi spirit just fine, Gareth took the firestorm and got backed up on his feet seconds later to keep fighting, he was a high level 6 so no reason to believe level 6 adventurers shouldn't scale

as for the other levels, not sure what feats we can take besides like, shockwaves feat maybe? (I believe a level 1 Welf clashed with Zanir which caused a shockwave that apparently knocked Lili), if not then we can always just apply 10x multipliers with the order of magnitude statement
From what I recall Gareth is supposed to be level 7 in terms of strength though. Like iirc he's supposed to be the physical strongest adventurer in Orario and thus above Base Ottar in terms of strength and durability. This is supported by the fact that he was able to hold back the Power Bull Demi-Spirit for a bit all by himself. Not to mention even before getting falna he was comparable to level 1 Finn.

For level 1 the manga has a bunch of stuff like monsters breaking walls and shattering the ground with their attacks. So probably those can be used for level 1. For level 2 it should be the same. More wall and ground breaking feats but bigger. And level 3 or 4 I think they have a few feats around building level via large explosions and stuff. But I don't recall too much. Level 5 I dunno. It's kinda in a weird vacuum with no feats to scale to my knowledge. And speed wise I think the manga showed a Mid level 1 Bell creating a sonic boom with his speed when he defeated the Silverback.
 
From what I recall Gareth is supposed to be level 7 in terms of strength though. Like iirc he's supposed to be the physical strongest adventurer in Orario and thus above Base Ottar in terms of strength and durability. This is supported by the fact that he was able to hold back the Power Bull Demi-Spirit for a bit all by himself. Not to mention even before getting falna he was comparable to level 1 Finn.

For level 1 the manga has a bunch of stuff like monsters breaking walls and shattering the ground with their attacks. So probably those can be used for level 1. For level 2 it should be the same. More wall and ground breaking feats but bigger. And level 3 or 4 I think they have a few feats around building level via large explosions and stuff. But I don't recall too much. Level 5 I dunno. It's kinda in a weird vacuum with no feats to scale to my knowledge. And speed wise I think the manga showed a Mid level 1 Bell creating a sonic boom with his speed when he defeated the Silverback.
Gareth had S stats in endurance and strenght at the time yes but still a level 6, I don't believe it's unresonable to assume level 6 adventurers should specially when 1) Riveria also took the damage and the story makes a point of how her magic protecting robes shattered and burned yet she still got up just fine and 2) Ais was the one to deal the final hit on the demi spirit, it's not unresonable to believe the demi spirit can't scale to it's own firstorm

oh there's also that one explosion created by the giant virga that Ais took head on and survived, you can use that as a level 5 feat

and yeah this manga overuses the "wall cracking and ground breaking feats", I suppose there's also level 2 Bell destroying the room where the Apollo familia base was located during the war game

also also this is kinda unrelated there's the one statement about magic swords being able to "set the sea ablaze" but I don't think there's much to work there as that's not a feat shown in the series, just something Lily said as a hear say
 
Gareth had S stats in endurance and strenght at the time yes but still a level 6, I don't believe it's unresonable to assume level 6 adventurers should specially when 1) Riveria also took the damage and the story makes a point of how her magic protecting robes shattered and burned yet she still got up just fine and 2) Ais was the one to deal the final hit on the demi spirit, it's not unresonable to believe the demi spirit can't scale to it's own firstorm

oh there's also that one explosion created by the giant virga that Ais took head on and survived, you can use that as a level 5 feat

and yeah this manga overuses the "wall cracking and ground breaking feats", I suppose there's also level 2 Bell destroying the room where the Apollo familia base was located during the war game

also also this is kinda unrelated there's the one statement about magic swords being able to "set the sea ablaze" but I don't think there's much to work there as that's not a feat shown in the series, just something Lily said as a hear say
One reason I don't agree with scaling this to level 6s is the fact that the attack was already weakened due to Riveria partially blocking it with her shield. Also Riveria herself also has the mage development ability and thus had level 7 magic as the DA mage boosts magic by one level. So Riveria basically tried to block the attack with a level 7 shield and yet the Fire Storm spell still broke through it and had enough power to heavily wound Riveria as well as Gareth. The Fire Storm feat should only be scaled to high level 7s and level 8s. Even a regular level 7 shouldn't exactly scale to it.

Also Aiz defeated it with Lil Rafaga which is her trump card and has consistently shown to hit one level higher than her current level. Lil Rafaga also managed to overpower a Udaeus's broken Udaeus Black Sword and heavily wound it when Aiz was just a level 5.

Bell already had stats equivalent to a level 3 at the time hence why I didn't mention that feat for level 2 but instead said level 3s and 4s had explosion feats that could potentially scale to them.

Definitely just flowery language. Nobody has feats anywhere close to doing something like burning the sea.
 
One reason I don't agree with scaling this to level 6s is the fact that the attack was already weakened due to Riveria partially blocking it with her shield. Also Riveria herself also has the mage development ability and thus had level 7 magic as the DA mage boosts magic by one level. So Riveria basically tried to block the attack with a level 7 shield and yet the Fire Storm spell still broke through it and had enough power to heavily wound Riveria as well as Gareth. The Fire Storm feat should only be scaled to high level 7s and level 8s. Even a regular level 7 shouldn't exactly scale to it.

Also Aiz defeated it with Lil Rafaga which is her trump card and has consistently shown to hit one level higher than her current level. Lil Rafaga also managed to overpower a Udaeus's broken Udaeus Black Sword and heavily wound it when Aiz was just a level 5.

Bell already had stats equivalent to a level 3 at the time hence why I didn't mention that feat for level 2 but instead said level 3s and 4s had explosion feats that could potentially scale to them.

Definitely just flowery language. Nobody has feats anywhere close to doing something like burning the sea.
personally I don't believe it to be unresonable when we are effectively talking about unspecified stats to a point of "none of the level 6 characters who fought the demi spirit are actually level 6", the weakened part also is just, not really? the storm hit about the same, the shield itself didn't absorb the damage as Riveria's Via Shilheim is described as just a spell that blocks damage, the text from the volume doesn't specify at any point that the hit was weaker either, imo that's working under too many assumptions, even more so with the part of "only high level 7 scale to it and level 8" when again, high level 6 adventurers were the ones that took the hit and the one consistent thing about this series is the majure power gap between a level and the level above it with the exception of Bell as he consistently is shown to be a level above the level he is currently shown as (so a level 5 Bell is resonable to see as a level 6), and we can't assume too much, but again that's just me, personally I don't see the issue with the level 6 scaling
 
personally I don't believe it to be unresonable when we are effectively talking about unspecified stats to a point of "none of the level 6 characters who fought the demi spirit are actually level 6", the weakened part also is just, not really? the storm hit about the same, the shield itself didn't absorb the damage as Riveria's Via Shilheim is described as just a spell that blocks damage, the text from the volume doesn't specify at any point that the hit was weaker either, imo that's working under too many assumptions, even more so with the part of "only high level 7 scale to it and level 8" when again, high level 6 adventurers were the ones that took the hit and the one consistent thing about this series is the majure power gap between a level and the level above it with the exception of Bell as he consistently is shown to be a level above the level he is currently shown as (so a level 5 Bell is resonable to see as a level 6), and we can't assume too much, but again that's just me, personally I don't see the issue with the level 6 scaling
She still set up a shield which should’ve blocked some of the attack before it hit her. Also what do you mean only Bell is consistently above his level?

Lefiya is constantly stated to be able to output magic two levels higher than her current level even before maxing out her magic stat. As a level 3 she was constantly stated to have the ability to output level 5 power and is stated to have more firepower than that of Tione, Tiona, & Aiz who were level 5s at the time.

Finn’s Hell Finnegas is confirmed in Astrea Record to be equivalent to a level boost.
Hell Finegas was a mind-altering enchantment. It granted the user a buff comparable to a level increase, but also imbued them with a lust for battle. Under its effects, Finn was unable to make coolheaded decisions, let alone command an army. In a straight-up fight, its potency was unmatched, but it rendered Finn far more vulnerable to traps and tricks.
Yet even then a Level 7 Finn couldn’t break through the Demi Spirit’s vines but Gareth a level 6 could

Allen is also stated multiple times to be the fastest adventurer in Orario despite being a level 6

Bete is also stated to be the fastest in the Loki Familia even as a level 5

Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head but I think there were a few others who have one stat that’s a level or two higher than their current level. Also like I said Mage DA exist so technically all mages with it hit one level above their current level.

But yeah personally I disagree with the level 6s scaling to the Fire Storm since it’s made pretty clear in the series that taking the attack head on would’ve killed them. At most only the level 7s and higher should scale.
 
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She still set up a shield which should’ve blocked some of the attack before it hit her. Also what do you mean only Bell is consistently above his level?

Lefiya is constantly stated to be able to output magic two levels higher than her current level even before maxing out her magic stat. As a level 3 she was constantly stated to have the ability to output level 5 power and is stated to have more firepower than that of Tione, Tiona, & Aiz who were level 5s at the time.

Finn’s Hell Finnegas is confirmed in Astrea Record to be equivalent to a level boost.

Yet even then a Level 7 Finn couldn’t break through the Demi Spirit’s vines but Gareth a level 6 could

Allen is also stated multiple times to be the fastest adventurer in Orario despite being a level 6

Bete is also stated to be the fastest in the Loki Familia even as a level 5

Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head but I think there were a few others who have one stat that’s a level or two higher than their current level. Also like I said Mage DA exist so technically all mages with it hit one level above their current level.

But yeah personally I disagree with the level 6s scaling to the Fire Storm since it’s made pretty clear in the series that taking the attack head on would’ve killed them. At most only the level 7s and higher should scale.
again I just don't agree with the shield reducing the damage as there is no statement or reason to believe they took a weakened damage, well just have to disagree on this one tbh

sorry i meant to say "Bell is the only one who consistently is just a level above what he's always shown", while other characters need spells or skills like mage or buffs to do that compared to Bell who's like that naturally, should have specified, my bad

for the Hell Finnegas buff, I do find that weird bc a level boost Finn not being able to do something Gareth did is just weirdly inconsistent to me but won't linger on it, fair then
 
also changing of topics a bit now

should we consider Epimetheus and Aedes Vesta Bell as 5-B planet level? Aedes Vesta consistently states that the primordial flame was going to burn the entire world and Bell with Hestia's divine flame was an equal to it, it's fair to say that Epimetheus and a non canon version of Bell are planet level I'd say
 
Unless the statement is like an outright destroy the world statement with evidence supporting it I don’t think they can be 5-B. After all burning the surface of a planet is only High 6-A. Antares was also only going to destroy the surface of the world in Arrow of Orion iirc. So unless there’s a more direct world destruction statement that’s not surface wipe the god tiers probably can’t be 5-B but would rather only be High 6-A.
 
I suppose that makes sense, the primordial flame was described as an equal to arcanum but still weaker than it, if the gods are consistently stated to be planet level, the primordial flame being multi continental is a fine claim to make and fits with how the narrative described it
 
DanMachi Volume 2
Mid Level 1 Bell kicked a killer ant so hard he created a small crater in the wall
Chapter 2: Supporter's Situation

Not sure if it could be useful but Aiz very lightly shook the dungeon during her battle against Udaeus
“……?”
Bell came to a halt.
He turned his neck to look back over his shoulder, down the stairway connecting the lower first and second floors.
“What’s the matter, Mr. Bell?”
“…Did the Dungeon just shake?”
Lilly looked up at Bell as he tried his best to look deep into the second level —no, even farther into the Dungeon.
“Shake? Lilly didn’t feel a thing.”
"...Was it just me."
Chapter 3: Magic, Magic That Summons A Lap

Firebolt strikes at the speed of light
Firebolt. Electric flame.
Conjured in an instant, it strikes at the speed of light with the power of fire.
Fire magic faster than anyone.
Magic just for me.
Chapter 3: Magic, Magic That Summons A Lap

Checked the Chinese translation and it states it even more explicitly than the English translation because instead of saying it in a flowery way it outright tells you its reaches the speed of light
火焰闪电。火炎之雷。
发动在一瞬之间,速度达到光速,火力强大无比。
比谁都快的魔法。
只属于我的魔法。
Firebolt. Flames of lightning.
Activated in an instant, it's speed reaches the speed of light, and has extremely powerful firepower.
A magic that activates faster than anyone
Magic that belongs to me

Japanese version also mentions this line
発動は一瞬、速度は光速。
It is activated in an instant and moves at the speed of light.

So I guess Firebolt is lightspeed magic

Dungeon Floor size and layout change from Floor 8 to Floor 9
The layout and interior of the Dungeon change dramatically on levels eight and nine.
First of all, the number of rooms increases and they become much wider. The corridors connecting the rooms are all very short. Next, the ceiling that had been three or four meters above my head before is now about ten meters high.
The walls in these levels are yellow and covered in moss. Since the floor is covered with short grass, these levels look like a vast prairie. The light above is concentrated into one spot, like the sun over a massive plain. It feels like I’ve stepped into the countryside.
Chapter 5: Reset

Orcs that are about 3 meters tall are strong enough to uproot a dead trees out of the ground with its strength. Sword Oratoria version of the tree size
Chapter 5: Reset
Reference for common feats has uprooting a tree at Class 10 but I doubt this means a dead tree that's only around 3 meters tall. Also dunno what this translates to in terms of AP either.
 
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Sword Oratoria Volume 3

Floor 24 is half the size of Orario. Manga for reference on size
Each floor of the Dungeon was larger than the previous one, and the twenty-fourth was at least half the size of Orario. Should they need to visit all three pantries, the sheer number of monsters they would encounter, plus the ground they had to cover, would take its toll.
Chapter 3: A Hideous Beauty

Creature Olivas is stronger than Base Bete but slower than him and is stated by Lefiya to be close in strength to a weaker Revis from SO2
The man in white clearly matched the fastest member of Loki Familia blow for blow. Trying to comprehend how this man was competing with a captain of
the strongest familia in Orario was too much for her to handle.
He might have been slightly slower, but there was no mistake the man was physically stronger than Bete. Even more disturbing was his ability to endure damage and continue attacking.
It was the same feeling—Lefiya had seen that strength before.
The battle between Aiz and the red-haired woman in Rivira replayed in the back of her mind.
The Sword Princess had failed to defeat the woman who was also able to block Lefiya’s magic with her bare hands.
The raw power of Bete’s opponent was extremely similar to what she saw on that day.
Chapter 4: White-Haired Devil

Viskum is not as strong as a floor boss (likely Amphisbaena as they are on the 24th floor) or the Demi Spirits from the previous volumes
Although not as strong as a floor boss or either of the female-figured monsters they had faced before, she had just taken down a monster of that scale with one blade.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell

Level 5 Aiz w/ Ariel was equivalent to a level 6
The reason that Aiz had been considered to be among the upper echelons of adventurers while still at Level Five was due to her command of this magic, plain and simple.
This “wind” placed her on the same stage as Orario’s elite, Level Six adventurers.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell

After consuming Olivas' magic stone Revis became comparable to Aiz w/ Ariel which is a level boost in itself thus making Aiz a level 7
What was truly frightening was that Levis had become physically stronger and faster than Aiz at Level Six by devouring Olivas’s magic stone. Only with the addition of Airiel’s power had Aiz managed to keep the onslaught at bay.
Just like the monsters that had acquired a taste for magic stones, the woman was matching Aiz blow for blow, on equal footing with the blond swordswoman who’d slain a viskum with one slash.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell

The immature violas birthed by Viskum were weaker than normal
Their only saving grace was that these monsters had been born prematurely, making them physically weaker than normal.
Level 2s from Hermes Familia can block and withstand immature Violas ramming at them and a single immature one can cause this much damage. It seems to be around I think this amount of damage can be calced to be 9-A. This should be a feat that is scalable to levels 2s. Also we see a few more crater feats from the Hermes Familia level 2s here.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell

The SO manga also had this feat of a huge tower of rock crushing a Violas but not killing them as we still see some of them moving towards Hermes Familia. This feat can potentially scale to level 4s as these are immature violas which aren't as strong as the mature ones that are estimated to be at least level 3 likely level 4.

Levis even after consuming Olivas's magic stone is still weaker than Level 6 Aiz w/ Ariel
Levis openly admitted that consuming Olivas’s magic stone didn’t give her enough power to overcome Aiz’s wind. She was alone with no allies or monsters left, yet she still spoke with a calm confidence.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell

Revis while injured shattered a huge pillar of quartz
“This is a weight-bearing pillar. If it collapsed…Well, I’m sure you can figure out what would happen.”
“!”
—She wouldn’t.
Levis ran her fingers down the surface of the quartz. Aiz rushed forward in an attempt to stop her, but it was too late.
The woman clenched her fist and pivoted at the waist, slamming all her strength directly into the base of the column.
The giant crack raced up the weakly glowing red quartz all the way to the ceiling, like the slash of a dragon’s claw. The high-pitched shatter echoed throughout the chamber, and the badly damaged support collapsed a moment later.
Chapter 5: Hell And Hell
 
DanMachi Volume 2
Mid Level 1 Bell kicked a killer ant so hard he created a small crater in the wall
Chapter 2: Supporter's Situation

Not sure if it could be useful but Aiz very lightly shook the dungeon during her battle against Udaeus

Chapter 3: Magic, Magic That Summons A Lap

Firebolt strikes at the speed of light

Chapter 3: Magic, Magic That Summons A Lap

Checked the Chinese translation and it states it even more explicitly than the English translation because instead of saying it in a flowery way it outright tells you its reaches the speed of light

Firebolt. Flames of lightning.
Activated in an instant, it's speed reaches the speed of light, and has extremely powerful firepower.
A magic that activates faster than anyone
Magic that belongs to me

Japanese version also mentions this line
発動は一瞬、速度は光速。
It is activated in an instant and moves at the speed of light.

So I guess Firebolt is lightspeed magic

Dungeon Floor size and layout change from Floor 8 to Floor 9

Chapter 5: Reset

Orcs that are about 3 meters tall are strong enough to uproot a dead trees out of the ground with its strength. Sword Oratoria version of the tree size
Chapter 5: Reset
Reference for common feats has uprooting a tree at Class 10 but I doubt this means a dead tree that's only around 3 meters tall. Also dunno what this translates to in terms of AP either.
about the firebolt, I must ask, are you using machine translation for the chinese and japanese text or do you speak the language? bc if not then better to check the text on the translation thread for the vs wiki forum to ask since there's always a chance of context being different than the literal translation made for it, an example is Allen's lightspeed statement from Episode Freya, where the text described his speed as "lightspeed" but I used the japanese text and put it on that thread and was told that in japanese it just said "he moved at an incredible speed" so I discarted that (also on this topic, there is also a statement in that volume that said Allen running around to create a sandstorm was so fast that it was "almost supersonic" which was also confirmed to be a mistranslation on the english side since the japanese text also just said "very high speeds", which makes sense bc doing the sandstorm thing would require him to move faster than sound so the "almost supersonic" makes no sense)

if you do know the language, then I gotta ask, do we know if Bell's firebolt speed became faster as he leveld up or did his firebolt stayed the same speed every level? bc a level 1 Bell having a spell this fast would only make sense under the idea that Bell shouldn't scale to his own firebolt speed at the time

also if we do take it as lightspeed then you can start seeing adventurers as early as level 5 that can dodge it such as Phryne that managed to easily dodge it at near point blank (and again arguably level 4 as Bell managed to leap out of the way from a light quartz)
 
about the firebolt, I must ask, are you using machine translation for the chinese and japanese text or do you speak the language? bc if not then better to check the text on the translation thread for the vs wiki forum to ask since there's always a chance of context being different than the literal translation made for it, an example is Allen's lightspeed statement from Episode Freya, where the text described his speed as "lightspeed" but I used the japanese text and put it on that thread and was told that in japanese it just said "he moved at an incredible speed" so I discarted that (also on this topic, there is also a statement in that volume that said Allen running around to create a sandstorm was so fast that it was "almost supersonic" which was also confirmed to be a mistranslation on the english side since the japanese text also just said "very high speeds", which makes sense bc doing the sandstorm thing would require him to move faster than sound so the "almost supersonic" makes no sense)

if you do know the language, then I gotta ask, do we know if Bell's firebolt speed became faster as he leveld up or did his firebolt stayed the same speed every level? bc a level 1 Bell having a spell this fast would only make sense under the idea that Bell shouldn't scale to his own firebolt speed and even then you have feats

also if we do take it as lightspeed then you can start seeing adventurers as early as level 5 that can dodge it such as Phryne that managed to easily dodge it at near point blank (and again arguably level 4 as Bell managed to leap out of the way from a light quartz
The Chinese translation I translated myself as I'm Chinese and can read it. The Japanese text is also something I can somewhat read myself with my limited Japanese understanding + Chinese character reading. Also both Chinese and Japanese use the same characters for lightspeed (speed of light) which is 光速 (Chinese pinyin is guāng sù/Japanese kanji is Kōsoku). This is basic enough Japanese that even I can translate but I did use MTL for it as well just to make sure I didn't read it wrong.

Haven't gotten that far yet so I don't recall if the magic gets faster as he levels up.

Also yeah the Allen thing is a mistranslation the official English translation made. I'm reading both the English and Chinese translations at the same time to compare translations as I'm rereading. The Chinese translations never mentioned anything about Allen being lightspeed in Episode Freya. Only said he moves at extreme speeds.
 
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DanMachi Volume 3

Enhanced Minotaur creates a huge crater on the ground
The Minotaur springs forward like a cannonball.
The beast covers this distance between us with breathtaking speed.
I have to draw a weapon, but my arms won’t move. I can’t do anything.
It’s over.
Its sword is raised high, poised to slice me between the neck and shoulder. And here it comes.
Chapter 4: The Meaning of Adventure

Bell can survive being punched into a wall with force enough to create a crater on the wall
Of course, that doesn’t mean I felt nothing. If I’d taken that hit flat-footed, there’s no doubt in my mind my stomach would have exploded. That grim thought in my mind, I fly helplessly backward and into the dungeon wall.
“—?! …ah, gah?!”
The wall cracks on impact. A new wave of pain floods in from my back as I realize something very disheartening: I’m wedged into the wall.
Chapter 4: The Meaning of Adventure

Floor size info
The fifth floor is about the same size as Central Park. However, the fortieth floor is rumored to rival Orario itself in size and scale.
While there are some floors that don’t follow this pattern exactly, most people have accepted the idea that the deeper you go into the Dungeon, the broader the floors become. The hallways and rooms within each floor also increase dramatically in size with each floor going down.
Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

More crater feats
The shock wave from the blade’s impact behind me makes me lose my balance the second my hands hit the ground, shivers running up my spine. But I manage to tuck my chin into my chest and roll a few times before jumping up to my feet.
Spin around, back step.
The ground beneath my feet is cracked, the break starting back at the bloodsoaked cleaver, still in the monster’s grasp. The beast glares at me as I put more space between us as fast as I can.
Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

And another crater feat
The Minotaur swings down again and again, the blood-splattered sliver blade aimed right at my neck. No matter which direction I go, I can’t get out of the blade’s reach. Soon, punches and kicks graze my body. I can’t see where they’re coming from, but if I stop rolling, it’s all over!
Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

And another
I come within touching distance of the ten-meder-high ceiling of the lower-ninth floor before feeling gravity take hold of my body.
Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

Bell was able to match the enhanced minotaur's attacks blow for blow
The Minotaur, swinging a massive cleaver, and a boy wielding a knife.
Neither was giving ground as their blades clashed again and again.
Chapter 5: A Hero's Desire

Bell isn’t actually on par with the enhanced Minotaur in strength but rather countering using technique.
“…The heck’s up with that knife? Blockin’ something that big with nothin’ more than a tooth pick?”
“No, something more than just the knife…”
“Impressive. He’s using technique against the Minotaur’s attacks.”
A burst of violet light, and the cleaver was thrown backward with a metallic echo. The words rolled out of Bete’s mouth as he watched the battle. Reveria and Fynn answered him.
While the Hestia Knife was special in that it improved along with the user’s Status, there was no way it could take the nearly two-meder cleaver head-on. Add the Minotaur’s brute strength to the attack, and it had no chance.
Therefore, Bell was aiming for the side of the blade. The impact of Bell’s knife created just enough space for his body to slide past the Minotaur’s attacks.
It was a keen strategy, but there was absolutely no room for error.
It was a technique he “borrowed” from Aiz. However, every second and every movement determined life or death.
Even though Bell could be physically overpowered, his ticket out of certain death was without a doubt his Swift-Strike Magic, Firebolt.
Chapter 5: Hero’s Desire

These crater feats should be scaleable to Peak level 1s like Bell as well as level 2s since Bell can survive them.
 
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Sword Oratoria Volume 4

First Chapter: And the Boy...

Ottar neutralizes Level 6 Aiz’s Li’l Rafaga a technique that is consistently shown to defeat enemies one level higher
—Out of my WAY!
Heart screaming, she cast her trump card.
“—Li’l Rafaga!!”
The wind flashed.
A divine wind shot forward, making a beeline toward Ottar, so massive that it could never be used outside the Dungeon walls.
The speed at which that leviathan wind sliced through the room made Ottar’s eyes widen.
Muscles protruding from his massive shoulders, he gripped his sword in both hands.
The boaz soldier swung his great silver weapon down diagonally at the incoming strike.
“Huuurrrrrraaaaaaaaaaahh—!”
He roared.
Voice exploding from his throat like the crazed call of a monster, he met the cyclone head-on. It was the first time the soldier was forced to use both hands, to rely on his full strength.
Aiz’s vision became a blur of wind, and she saw Ottar’s armor get torn from his frame.
The impact was incredible. As the air current raged and the ground sank beneath his feet, a tremendous explosion rocked the room.
The recoil from the resulting shock wave sent both of them flying.
The two attacks had neutralized each other.

Minotaur making craters in the ground SO version

Again

And again

Bell throwing a Minotaur back

Last Chapter: To Adventure
Floor 51 onwards info
The Dungeon’s layout took a turn for the unusual between the fifty-first and fifty-seventh floors—in the so-called deep levels. The flat planes that made up the ceilings and walls were drawn in a deep graphite color, stretching out between rooms in an intricate series of halls and passages.
It wasn’t the architecture itself that differed so greatly from the upper levels at the start of their journey, it was the sheer scale of it all. The floors down here were in a league all their own, spreading out in front of the racing party as they heeded Finn’s every command.

Valgang Dragons sniping the 52nd floor from the 58th floor
The ground exploded.
“~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!”
Flames erupted from the earth, followed by a crimson shock wave.
The backs of the front line, the faces of the midline, and the weapons of the rear guard—everything was bathed in a fiery red hue.
Tsubaki’s right eye widened as far as it would go, her face and eye patch wreathed in a fierce conflagration.
It was as though an enormous land mine had just detonated beneath their feet. Flames enveloped the Dungeon floor, swallowing the monsters in front of them and extinguishing them without a trace.
The pyre wound all the way to the ceiling and then burst through the rock of the fifty-first floor above their heads.
With the massive explosion right in front of them and the waves of heat pushing them back, the supporters had to stifle the screams of terror building in their throats.

Valgang Dragons shaking Floors 52-58 with their fireball (The floors here are like way bigger than Orario as the 40th floor is Orario sized) from hundreds of meters away
Again and again the explosions continued, blazing-hot winds and flaming fragments driving them back as Finn gave command after command in rapid succession.
Finally, the dragon’s roars became all too distinct. The next series of explosions shook not only their current floor but no doubt every surrounding floor, as well.
The floor opened up; large sheets of rock crashed down to the floors below. A massive crimson fireball lit up the adventurers’ vision, bursting through the ground to perforate the ceiling overhead.

Valgang Dragon fireballs are over 5 meters in length and straight up melted through the floors from 52 to 58
The massive fireball, boasting a diameter of over five meders, launched from the dragon’s mouth and bathed Lefiya and the others in a fierce vermilion hue. Tiona leaped from the wall, giant silver sword at the ready.

Tiona managed to offset the fireball from the Valgang Dragon so peak level 5s and level 6s can scale to this feat
“Ya bastaaaaaaard!!”
In a swipe that utilized her entire body, she gripped her Durandal sword in both hands and aimed it at the incoming fireball.
The explosion that followed was astronomical.
The two forces had offset each other.

Tiona was fine from the attack thanks to Rivera’s Veil Breath but she still cancelled it out with her own strength
With Riveria’s Veil Breath canceling the majority of the fireball’s damage, she’d pulled through without a single scratch. Her Durandal weapon, too, was unharmed. The silver glint of its surface was no less brilliant than before.

More info on how deep floor 52 is from floor 58 outside of being far larger than Orario

Ill Wyverns can hurt peak level 5s like Bete and Tiona after Veil Breath began to wear off
The wyverns, boasting a pair of wings as forelimbs, were incredibly fast, but there was one that was especially swift, even among its own kind, and it was currently waging war on Tiona and Bete. As they attempted to block the claws and teeth that accompanied each of its lunges, the wyvern would simply switch to its tail, knocking their weapons out of the way and barraging them with bullets of fire. As the protective Veil Breath surrounding them visibly withered, they found themselves hacking away at the air more often than not as cuts started to litter their bodies.

Lefiya one shots the enhanced Ill Wyvern as well as any other Ill Wyvern near it
What was once a straight path became curved, the auto-follow properties of the projectile spell sending it chasing after the dumbfounded dragon.
It evolved into a sort of dogfight, a high-speed midair skirmish. The arrow of light nibbled and gnawed at the great wyvern king, taking out the wings of any other dragons that got caught in its path.
Finally, it connected.
“Guuuuuwwwwwwooooooooaaaaaagh!”
With a dazzling glare and an agonizing scream, the wyvern king turned to ash, its magic stone destroyed.

Tiona and Tione blocking more of Valgang Dragons’ fireballs
“I thought you were dealing with those fireballs, Tiona!” she yelled in exasperation as a valgang dragon on the fifty-eighth floor roared, sending up another flare.
“There’s only one of me, y’know?” Tiona shot back, her body singed as she went from one fireball to the next, offsetting each one.
Tione simply stuck out her tongue as she gave another swipe of her halberd.
Tione Hyrute—the Jormungand.
A first-tier adventurer who was feared by even the gods themselves and who got stronger the angrier she became.
Ignoring the look of disbelief from Lefiya, she charged the incoming fireball head-on.
“You’re really starting to get on my nerrrrrrrrrrrves!!” she screamed. The incensed Amazon smashed the red-hot ball of flame to pieces with her Durandal weapon.

Even after falling as well as actively kicking walls to fall down faster they were still about 200 meters away from floor 58 and more Tiona destroying and tanking Valgang Dragon fireballs
“—I’m gonna kick yer heads in, ya big red bastards!” Bete continued his own attack against the wyverns as the explosion lit up the sky over his head. His eyes were focused on the very bottom of the long vertical tunnel.
He could make out four valgang dragons some two hundred meders below him on the fifty-eighth floor.
Returning his twin swords to his sides, he prepared for his arrival at the base of the Dragon’s Urn.
“Hey! Do somethin’ about those fireballs, would ya? Even just one of ’em!” he shouted at Tiona, who was currently falling alongside him.
“You ask as if it doesn’t hurt like hell when those things hit you!” she screamed back in annoyance, sword flying. Already having taken out a good number of the massive flares, her body and armor both were looking considerably charred. Her tanned skin was practically cooked in some places, smoke rising in tiny wisps from her countless burns.

Bete traveling 200 meters in an instant and than one shotting a Valgang Dragon after being amped with magic causing the entire floor to shake including the wall and ceiling to shake
The explosion was massive. Using the Amazon’s assistance, Bete landed back on the wall.
Then he bolted forward in a burst of speed.
He aimed for those tiny, tiny gaps, gauntlets singeing as he broke through the incoming wall of fire. The surge of electricity crackling from his Superiors seared the startled eyes of the valgang dragons.
But he didn’t stop.
Drawing a path of light behind him, he sped along the wall and came at the dragons like a supercharged bolt of lightning.
He covered the distance in an instant—the whole of that great, gaping hole that spanned the entire way to the fifty-eighth floor, the Dragon’s Urn.
With an enormous spurt of energy, he launched himself.
Setting his sights on one of the mighty red dragons directly below him, he practically morphed into a flash of lightning and drove his Frosvirt into the beast’s body.
“Die.”
It exploded.
The heel of his Frosvirt dug into the valgang dragon’s face as the resulting flash lit the tunnel on fire.
It was massive. The attack power of the magic dagger together with his Frosvirt combined to form an electric kick that instantly disintegrated the dragon’s head. Its body fell with a slow slump.
Like a crumbling tower, the dragon’s monstrous ten-meder frame sank toward the ground and caused the walls, the floor, and the ceiling to shake with a thunderous roar.

Gareth being stated to have power and endurance that rivals the strongest in Orario implying that he’s potentially comparable to Ottar in terms of pure strength
Gareth Landrock. First-tier adventurer.
A veteran soldier of herculean strength who truly embodied the dwarven race. His power and endurance rivaled not only the strongest in Loki Familia but all of Orario itself, and despite being a natural-born attacker, he’d come to rule the very back of the rear guard as an impenetrable wall. His fists were like hammers, smashing every enemy in his path, and his burly frame was like the world’s sturdiest shield.

More statements about the lower floors such as the 52nd to 58th being far larger than all of Orario
Getting to the fifty-eighth floor was their top priority, and every move was to that end.
The depths of the Dungeon were vaster than the entire city of Orario. As map data unfolded within his head, Finn tossed out order after order, leading them through the complex maze via the shortest route possible as they continued to dodge salvos from the dragons beneath their feet. Meanwhile, Raul and the other supporters had free hands, so they gathered around the one supporter toting the large-scale weapons and used daggers and spears to provide continuous support to the front line.

Ein is no where near as strong as Revis
“Seems that even among you creatures, some are stronger than others.”
“—Ngh!”
Finn continued his close-range assault as his opponent kicked off the wall and landed on the ground.
The hooded figure defended itself desperately, its metal gloves coming up to block the onslaught of thrusts again and again, unable to land an attack of its own against the prum’s overwhelming spearmanship.
Finn could tell instantly that the creature in front of him couldn’t hold a candle to Levis. He’d fought against the red-haired woman on the eighteenth floor, after all.
The hooded figure, unable to keep up with the increasing speed of the attacks besieging the lower half of its vision, let out a shout.

It took the members on floor 52 nearly eight hours of running to reach floor 58
They’d been fighting for nearly eight hours now, and the dwarf’s ferocity had yet to wane. And yet, these uncanny beasts…Gareth eyed the monsters suspiciously from beneath his helmet. He was studying their movement. Comin’ from the northern tunnel they might be; we’ve somehow reached the hall’s center. We’re movin’south.

The 59th floor is larger than the 58th floor and would’ve contained glacial streams, mountains of ice, and frozen rivers. But was now instead a jungle biome
They found themselves at a loss for words as they took in the scene before them.
There were no glacial streams.
No soaring mountains of ice.
No frozen rivers of blue.
No. Reflected in their eyes were masses upon masses of the strangest plants and vegetation they’d ever seen, a landscape altogether divergent from the floors above.
“A…jungle?” Tione gazed around at her surroundings in wonderment, still gripping her Kukri knives.
This room, even bigger than the fifty-eighth floor above their heads, overflowed with green trees and vines. Immediately in front of them was a forest of soaring trees. At their feet were a lush green bed of grass and trembling rings of richly colored, poisonous-looking flowers. It was an enclosed room with four far-off greenish walls towering high, and all shapes and sizes of flower buds dangled from the greenery.

More floor 59 size

Demi Spirit’s Fire Storm burned the entire floor
“Fire Storm!”
The world turned red.
“_______________”
It was a massive inferno, akin to a fire elemental.
A raging, broiling wave of wind. A tsunami of flame. A river of incendiary crimson that closed in on Riveria inside her barrier.
It swallowed everything. The monsters. The magic dome with the adventurers inside. The entire floor itself.

The Fire Storm magic quickly liquefied Gareth’s equipments and reduced the entire floor into a wasteland
Then it hit Gareth with a colossal impact as it slammed into the two giant shields.
“GrrrruuuuooooooooooooaaaaAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!” the dwarf soldier groaned as Riveria disappeared into the swirling inferno.
Behind him, Tiona threw Aiz to the ground. Finn and the others were already hugging the earth in Gareth’s shadow.
But it wasn’t enough. The two shields melted at a laughably rapid speed. Gareth’s helmet and armor liquefied around him.
“GRAMPS!!” Bete cried out as the shields disappeared entirely.
Gareth had no choice but to fling his arms out, using his body itself to block the relentless conflagration.
“GGGRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
The dwarf’s titanic roar met the incoming inferno—
The explosion was immeasurable.
Everything went red.
The blast sent Aiz and the others flying back with an incredible force.
Their skin and armor sizzled and charred as the crimson cyclone tossed the first-tier adventurers about, yet somehow they still managed to hold on to their weapons. They couldn’t even scream. The charred hiss of flaming destruction enveloped the world around them. Again and again they tumbled along the ground, Lefiya, Raul, and the other supporters escaping the brunt of it thanks to Finn’s protection.
The flame purged everything.
“Grrn…hnn?!”
The storm finally cleared to reveal Aiz and the others scattered about like corpses atop the scorched earth.
Nothing remained but charred ash as far as the eye could see. No monsters. No magic stones. Not even the jungle behind them was left. Everything had turned to cinders and dust. The floor of the Dungeon around them had become a different world with nothing but the spirit at its center unchanged.
They’d escaped the full force of the wave, but even the aftershocks had left them in disrepair—their armor and bodies were marred with cuts and burns. Moaning in pain, they shakily peeled themselves off the ground, no one saying a word.
Riveria lay facedown, the magic gem of her silvery white staff cracked. Her robes, made from holy fabrics of considerable magic resistance, were burned to a crisp and lying in tatters around her.
Gareth had tumbled a short distance away, his body charred and lying faceup. He’d held out to the very end in order to protect Aiz and the others, and his armor was painted black.

Demi Spirit’s Meteor Swarm violently shakes the entire 59th floor
Bete grabbed hold of him as the two were knocked off their feet. Aiz grabbed Lefiya, holding her tight as they disappeared into the inky blackness. Tiona and Tione flung themselves toward the remaining two supporters, and Tsubaki used her body as a shield to protect them. The entire Dungeon shook around them as the glimmering black meteors pummeled the earth over a tremendous radius.
Aiz felt her gauntlets go flying, but she paid them no heed, never releasing her grip on the magic user in her arms. As they rode the shock wave, she saw Riveria’s and Gareth’s bodies being pelted mercilessly by the swarm of black comets.
Finn tossed his spear which reached the Demi Spirit from 200 meters away in an instant
Two hundred meders. That was all that remained between them and the corrupted spirit still greedily devouring magic power, and they made a beeline toward her, weapons flashing.
There was a brilliant flash of golden light as Braver shot forward.
Then, with a flash of his red eyes, he launched his weapon. The Fortia Spear hurtled forward, puncturing the very air itself and transforming into a beam of light that rocketed straight toward the spirit.
The distance between them might as well not have even existed considering the speed at which that spear traveled. It was to her in an instant.
“Gngh!”
The spear plunged into the spirit’s face just as she was about to release her spell.
It sailed past the armor of flower petals so fast it was nothing but a single point as it dove straight into her open, chanting mouth.
It was a direct hit. Passing all the way through her head, the golden tip of the spear protruded out the back near the lower half of her brain stem.

Riveria’s Rea Laeveteinn rivals the Demi Spirit’s Fire Storm in power and the Demi Spirit can block and survive it
“REA LAEVATEINN!!”
The eruption was immediate.
Inferno-like pyres of flaming destruction rose from the earth and burst forth from the magic circle.
They incinerated everything. The monsters attacking Raul, Tsubaki, and the other supporters, the army of monsters proliferating the perimeter, the violas approaching Lefiya, Tione, and Tiona on the ground—everything was swallowed by those swelling waves of pure hellfire.
And it didn’t stop there. The raging flames traveled all the way to the ceiling, to the walls, scorching everything and setting the very air on fire with enough power to rival even the corrupted spirit’s earlier firestorm and turning the Dungeon, once more, into a world of blazing red destruction.
“_______________”
The spirit somehow managed to react as the radiating pillar of fire and brimstone erupted from the center of the magic circle, encasing her entire body in armor formed of ten giant flower petals.
Separating herself from her lower, titan-alm half, she prepared for the incoming attack.
Then exploded.
“~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~!”
It hit her ten times. A ten-pillar colonnade of devouring incandescence rocked the spirit’s giant frame.
It was incalculably hot. Immensely powerful. Riveria’s genocidal spell burned, gouged, charred, then ignited the surface of the armor-like flower petals.
They crackled and popped. The very same petals that had stood up to the magic of Lefiya and the magic swords without taking so much as a scratch now burned whole before falling to the ground.
“Riveria…”
Aiz felt every crevice of her body radiate sensational heat as she watched, surrounded by the high elf’s flames of pure magic power.
Then she, Bete, and Finn took advantage of the magic user’s assistance and propelled themselves still faster, their eyes flashing.
“…!”
For the first time, the spirit’s smile vanished. Her defenses were gone.

The Demi Spirit’s tentacles can no sell Finn w/ Hell Finnegas but Gareth can damage it
From beneath their feet, from deep within the lower floors themselves, a multitude of green pikes burst through the floor as though summoned by that high-pitched call.
“!!”
The tentacles rose up, forming a mighty dome-like barrier some twenty meders wide around the spirit.
Bete’s and Finn’s eyes widened in surprise, and then the two of them zoomed forward, twin blades and silver spear whirling in an attempt to bring down the wall.
“Gngh!”
But it was no use.
Their blades sank into the green flesh but neither pierced nor cut the mighty shield. The sight of them rushing at it full tilt with absolutely zero effect made even Aiz shudder.
—All the speed, power, and force they’d built up during their charge was effectively nullified.
And now they’d given her a chance to cast another spell. The tables had been turned.
They’d lost their one chance, and time felt like it was screeching to a halt around them. Only then… A giant whirling blade came rushing past them to collide with the massive green wall.
An ax?!
The mighty ax plunged into the fleshy bulwark, cleaving a massive fissure. Before they could so much as register the surprise, however, a certain dwarf soldier sailed past them and dove at the wall.
“What? Was all that just talk, Finn?” Gareth goaded, the corners of his mouth turned up in a ferocious smile as he yanked his Great Ax from the green tentacles and promptly plunged it back in with another zealous swing.
The rift in the bulwark widened, though Bete and Finn hadn’t even been able to make a dent.
And then Finn smiled. Eyes still red and all rational thought supposedly wiped from his mind, he shot his comrade-in-arms a wry grin.
“Don’t make me say I knew you’d come.”
“Hah! You wish!” Gareth guffawed before taking another whack with his ax.
The resulting clout was enough to shake the very ground beneath their feet. The rift grew larger still. There was so much force behind each swing of the ax that the blade was beginning to crack.
Aiz and Bete watched in wonder as Gareth abandoned the ax and clenched a boulder-like fist.
“Get outta my way!!”
He punched the great green wall of tentacles.
“I said BEAT IT!!”
Another punch. This time, a hole opened up in the fleshy barricade.

Lefiya’s Arcs Ray crossed 200 meters in an instant and diverted the Icicle Edge that was shot at Aiz at point blank range
She opened those smiling lips to reveal the inside of her mouth, which housed a tiny magic circle.
The dancing tendrils had been nothing but a distraction to keep them from noticing the magic light forming inside her, the tiniest chant summoning the tiniest cerulean magic circle.
Her silence and expression of shock had only served to camouflage her next attack.
Aiz’s features froze in terror upon realizing she’d been led right into a trap.
It was too late now. The spirit released her spell.
“Icicle Edge!”
The resulting pillar of ice was monstrous.
It struck instantaneously, leaving her no room to evade.
A massive blade of blue ice launched directly in front of her eyes.
An arrow of light shot forth from Lefiya’s outstretched arm.
The single beam of light rose straight above her head before curving to run along the ground.
“Go…” Lefiya’s voice trembled.
Find her. Fly to her.
“GO!!” She screamed it this time, her eyes closed.
The arrow’s speed increased, almost as though responding to Lefiya’s cry.
“REACH HER!!”
And it did. Lefiya’s song reached all the way to Aiz.
And exploded against the incoming blade of ice.
“!!”
Neither Aiz nor the spirit saw it coming.
The arrow of light appeared from nowhere, slamming into the icy pillar in front of their eyes and diverting its path.

Aiz’s Li’l Rafaga one shot the Demi Spirit through its magic and also shook the entire 59th floor
“Li’l Rafaga!!”
She released the storm.
“LIGHT BURST!!” the spirit said as she finished her own spell at the same time.
Spiraling arrow of wind met massive blast of light.
There was a momentary pause.
Then the whirling kamikaze blasted through the gleaming white light, eliminating it completely.
“________________________________________”
The unbreakable sword impaled the spirit from her head to her chest.
A single flash of wind traveled from her seemingly feminine upper half to her monstrous lower half.
As the silver sword sliced her in half, the spiraling gale gouged out chunks of her flesh. The spirit’s high-pitched shriek echoed throughout the hall.
Desperate passed all the way through, collided with the hard earth—and then exploded.
The wind thundered as the spirit turning instantly to ash, her magic stone shattered.
The resulting shock waves made the entire floor quake.
Still, the tempestuous gale continued, all the ash rising and whirling like a massive dust storm.
 
on the firstorm part, can you check the link i gave previously of the 59th floor being about 100km going off Orario's size being 50km (since you can resonably assume it's twice the size)? I linked the Orario size calc in a previous message and seens fair to use it as the OP used pixel scaling
 
on the firstorm part, can you check the link i gave previously of the 59th floor being about 100km going off Orario's size being 50km (since you can resonably assume it's twice the size)? I linked the Orario size calc in a previous message and seens fair to use it as the OP used pixel scaling
Sadly I ain’t no calc member so I can’t give much input on it. You’ll probably have to get a calc member to look at it. Also Therefir is a fan of this series and is a calc member. Maybe ask him to take a look? Or you could wait a week or so for me to reach the later volumes to see if there’s any extra info we in the novel or manga?

Also Orario is likely way bigger cause DanMachi Volume 3 said the 5th floor alone is as big as Central Park. While the ring was only a little bit bigger than Central Park according to this.

So Orario’s true size should be well over quadruple the size of Central Park as it’s only until floor 24 that the Dungeon reaches the half the size of Orario and until floor 37 when it reaches the size of Orario.
 
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Not much info from this volume

DanMachi Volume 4

Welf was slightly stronger than a silverback
His body getting impatient as the monsters started closing in, Welf’s mind raced to find an escape route.
He estimated as he sized up his opponents that he was slightly more powerful than one silverback. However, that meant the moment he engaged one in combat, he would be wide open for the others to attack from behind. Catching a glimpse of Lilly’s startled face, he knew in an instant he couldn’t count on the supporter for any help.
Chapter 3: The Smith's Situation

Monsters of the surface are so weak a surface Bloodsaurus, a monster usually found in the 30th floor and should be around level 3 is only a little stronger than an orc from the 10th floor
“Whaa, B-Bell?!”
“B-bloodsaurus…?!”
Hestia was the first to yell out, followed closely by Lilly’s shriek of surprise.
A five-meder-tall, carnivorous, red dinosaur had appeared.
It let out one bloodcurdling roar after another as it rampaged through the forest, chasing the “rabbit” that was to become its next meal.
“H-hold on a second here. That’s a monster that shows up on the thirtieth floor…!”
“There’s no problem. Monsters on the surface are much weaker than the ones found in the Dungeon.”
Monsters that were separated from the Dungeon followed their instincts to ensure the survival of their species.
They began relying on strength of numbers as their own physical prowess began to decline. Since each individual needed less power to survive, magic stones became smaller over time.
As each successive generation’s magic stone decreased in size, so did each individual monster’s in strength. At this point, monsters on the surface didn’t even compare with the “originals” in the Dungeon.
“Bloodsauruses on the surface might be a little bit stronger than an orc in the Dungeon…”
Quest x Quest
 
Sword Oratoria Volume 5

Level 5 Bete is the fastest member of Loki Familia. He's slightly faster than Finn and the other level 6s but is slower than Level 6 Aiz w/ Ariel
Bete was easily the fastest runner in the familia. Skill effects included, his speed surpassed even that of Finn and every other higher-level adventurer in Loki Familia (though just barely). While he still couldn’t compare to Aiz when she activated Airiel, what with the distance involved and the battleweary condition of the party as a whole, someone with reliable swiftness and endurance was necessary, making Bete the perfect one for the task.
Chapter 1: Passage and the Present

Level 3 Lefiya can easily output level 5 magic
The magic she was currently weaving was easily at a Level 5 with the pure, unadulterated rage built up behind it, and what was worse, it was a homing spell. It would kill him instantly.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Level 3 Lefiya is still somewhat faster than level 2 Bell when she's angry
The former boasted the leveled-up move speed of a Level 2, but the latter currently possessed the transcendent move speed of a mage driven mad by pure, unadulterated rage.
Her speed was winning, and in the blink of an eye, both pursuer and pursued were free of the camp, disappearing into the forest beyond.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Floor 18 info
The swath of skyscraping trees spanned the floor from east to west, making up a full fifth of the Under Resort’s total area, and its greenery ran flush with both the sweeping grasslands at the floor’s center and the enclosing walls on its every side. While a variety of fruits and vegetables grew within its verdure, foodstuffs weren’t its only boon—blue crystals, too, sprang forth from its soil, from giant, swordlike formations to the smallest of tiny stones.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Rivira size
Meanwhile, Lefiya, oblivious to the goings-on down below, leaped her way onto a particularly large branch not far from the top of the tree.
From here, it was just as she’d predicted—above the dome of green leaves, she could look out across the entirety of the floor.
She turned her gaze to the left, locating the mighty tree at the forest’s center. Between her and the tree towered a giant crystal, emitting its faint blue light. It would seem they were in the eastern part of the floor—close to the easternmost tip, even.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Hole size that Lefiya and Bell fell into
They were at the bottom of a long, deep hole.
It boasted a diameter of some seven meders and a height of at least ten.
As for the walls of the hole, they were reddish in hue and had a repulsive fleshlike texture with no sign of anything they could use as footholds or handholds.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

The Demi Spirits that appeared on floor 50 and 18 are over level 5 (so level 6). Venenthes is at least Level 4 due to being a superlarge monster
Both the femanoids they’d battled on the fiftieth and eighteenth floors were massive, on par with floor bosses, and their power had been well over that of a Level 5. This trap monster couldn’t be far behind in either aspect.
Its colossal size alone, which placed it in the “superlarge monster” category, gave it the potential of at least a Level 4.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Venenthes could survive level 5 magic thanks to its magic resistance as well as the lid
“Arcs Ray!!”
There was a burst of light.
Then the gleaming flash shot straight upward at a blinding speed.
The trap monster attempted to flee, withdrawing its tentacles and wedging itself into the passage above, but it was no use.
Its fate was sealed.
The phenomenal Mind built up within that single blast tore through its tentacles before landing a direct hit on the creature’s main body.
“————Gguuwwwwaahhh!!”
Its lower half, partially assimilated into the wall itself, writhed and squirmed like a snake as the blinding flash propelled its body upward.
Then, it collided with the lid of the hole, still closed tight above them, with an absolutely deafening crash.
The pillar of light, however, was brought to a screeching halt.
“It stopped the attack?!”
The creature’s upper half remained with the stubs of its arms outstretched. The hole’s red lid was worn down from the incoming magic light but still very much intact. That thing had absorbed the brunt of the attack, keeping it from bursting through the top of the pitfall.
Lefiya was shocked at what she was seeing.
A strangely colored monster above their heads and its two-part body, each with its own separate function.
An “adventurer’s prison” keeping them trapped.
The lengths it took to keep their sole way out from being opened.
And the specialized magic resistance it took to do so—
Her thoughts ran wild at the attributes the creature must have possessed—attributes that made it every bit the “trap monster” it was.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Venenthes can control the entire hole they are in to crush its enemy
Not more than an instant later, the entire hole roared.
“Wha—?!”
The walls of flesh began to swell.
Like tumors, almost, one after another, giant lumps began to billow out from the pink surface with a ghastly bubbling hiss, closing in on Lefiya from all four sides. They pushed the pool of acid with them, the liquid forming a wave that yanked and swirled at her feet.
—It aims to crush us?!
Knowing its own demise was only a matter of time, it had decided to take them down with it—by setting loose its own body.
It would destroy itself, and the hole around them, crushing them in the process.
Chapter 3: 1/3 Pure Passion

Black Goliath shakes the dungeon from the 18th floor with its birth
“…?”
A tremor underfoot caught Aiz’s attention, and she turned her gazegroundward.
“A quake…?”
“The Dungeon, is it…shaking?”
Soon, the entire vanguard—Tiona, Tione, Bete, Lefiya, and the others—was staring at their feet.
They’d made it to the Dungeon’s upper levels, the eighth floor.
Already free of the middle levels and feeling decidedly less tense as a result, they felt the sudden trembling of the earth below them, and it brought the group to a halt. Anything unexpected could be the harbinger of an
Irregular, after all. As first-tier adventurers, they knew this well.
Even the monsters roaming about the floor scuttled away in fear.
Startled and confused, they could only throw one another looks of abject concern at the quake seemingly who knew how many floors beneath their feet.
“Captain…” Raul’s voice trembled slightly.
“…We keep moving. Reaching the surface is our top priority. Cruz, take Narfi, then go make sure Riveria and the others behind us are fine—just in
case,” Finn responded calmly, in direct contrast to Raul’s open unease. The chienthrope Cruz nodded with a quick “Understood” before grabbing Narfi and heading back along the main route.
The rest of the group, as per Finn’s instructions, pushed ahead as planned.
They made it all the way to the Dungeon entrance, in fact, as the rumblings stopped almost as quickly as they’d started.
Epilogue: Homeward Bound
 
There's no Apollo Arc as the manga skipped it so I guess we might have to rely on the anime for the Charged Firebolt feat

DanMachi Volume 5

Three hellhounds cause a massive explosion
All of the hellhounds’ heads were low to the ground.
Sparks flew as smoke rose from their mouths.
They started bearing fangs; the rubble underneath their feet was illuminated in red, glowing light.
—Oh no.
Lilly turned pale.
She was gripped by the despair of what was about to happen.
—Can’t make it!
Welf gritted his teeth, as if he were cursing his lack of luck.
This is—
Bell’s eyes were opened.
Opened to the strength and number of the monsters.
Opened to the mercilessness of the Dungeon.
Opened to the constant flow of absurdity.
The hellhounds rose and flung their heads forward.
The battle party was lit up by the volley of flames that exploded from their mouths.
The orbs of flame tore through the air, waves of intense heat bursting through the tunnel.
—The middle levels!
There was a massive explosion.
Chapter 1: The Middle Floors

Level 2 Bell's ten second Argonaut charge attack which should be scalable to the high level 2s and level 3s if there's nothing to scale them to
The attack required ten seconds to build up enough power. Bell braced himself to swing the ax as soon as the attack was ready.
The countdown hit zero. The Minotaurs that had been bearing down on him with horns at the ready took a direct hit.
“—!!”
The tunnel was inundated with a bright light.
It was absolutely blinding. Light seemed to explode from the ax as it stopped the beasts in their tracks, before vaporizing them with a thunderous boom. The explosion took pieces of the tunnel with it.
The aftermath was very similar to the time when Bell had used the same technique to defeat an infant dragon not too long ago. Cracks covered the burned walls like a spiderweb of electricity had torn through the tunnel, floor burned and singed. The path in front of them was littered with smoldering pieces of rock.
Chapter 3: Dungeon Death March

Goliath boss room
The large, circular entrance leads to a rectangular room that has to be at least 200 meders long. This place is even bigger than the Dungeon Pantry. I think it’s about a hundred meders wide, the ceiling a good twenty meders over my head.
Chapter 3: Dungeon Death March

Goliath spawning and breaking out of the wall
There’s a moment of stillness, pieces of the broken wall falling to the ground, a few relatively soft echoes. The wall behind me has been completely destroyed.
Boom.
Something huge has come out of the hole, shaking the room with its first step.
Chapter 3: Dungeon Death March

Floor 18 in the manga
The first thing my eyes take in is the expansive great plain. My vision is filled with a rich green that I’ve never seen on the surface. The small shadows moving about are probably monsters. Even here, crystals are scattered throughout the landscape.
There is a pond on my left…On second thought, it’s big enough to call it a lake. The perfectly smooth surface is an amazingly pure blue. There are some large rocks—no, islands—sticking out of the middle of it.
The forest spreads out to my right. It’s a lot larger than I thought. And then right in front of me, I can clearly see a towering tree jutting out of the middle of the plains.
Chapter 4: Dungeon Resort?

And another view of a section of it
“There’s a really big tree lying on its side that makes a bridge between the two. Look, see?” Miss Tiona answers Welf’s question without hesitation. I look to where she’s pointing…and sure enough, there’s a tree big enough to see from this far away on top of the water, connecting the island to the rest of the Dungeon floor.
The immense rocky island seems to grow by the second as we get closer. The tree bridge has been stripped of all leaves and branches and is basically just a giant log. I follow the girls onto it, looking at all the footprints on its surface. It’s not at all flat and there’s no railing whatsoever; I really have to focus to stay upright. It’s not just me, either—I catch the goddess just as she was about to fall off the tree.
Chapter 4: Dungeon Resort?

Black Goliath is level 5
The Goliath that appeared on the seventeenth floor was about Level 4. The Goliath she was facing now was completely different from the ones that she and her former allies had slain countless times before. Its Defense was strong enough to make even her hands go numb after impact, its ability to use a howl, but most of all it had reflexes that did not match its massive size.
—This enemy had the potential to be Level 5.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Ryuu's attacks can somewhat hurt the Black Goliath. Something Asfi with her burst oil that can one shot level 4 monsters like the violas can't do
Lyu’s Level 4 attacks were powerful enough to inflict pain on the beast. She was even fast enough to avoid its gaze, nothing more than a small shadow running around the Goliath.
Most monsters in the middle levels would have been incinerated by just one of those Burst Oil grenades—as an item maker, these were her specialty. However, they left no mark on the Goliath’s thick skin.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Black Goliath causes a giant shockwave that the level 3 attackers managed to survive
Screamed Asfi in disbelief. The Goliath recovered from its injuries at an astounding pace and locked its eyes on the attackers who had charged in close— then the stunned and horrified mages—before raising its arms above its shoulders and bringing its hands together above its head.
Then it brought both massive fists straight down into the ground.
“________________”
The great plain split.
The ferocious explosion sent a destructive shock wave through the ground. The attackers were instantly swallowed up by an ever-expanding tsunami of debris. It was no time at all before the adventurer walls were overwhelmed and the mages overtaken.
Everything was launched into the air.
“Huh…?!”
Bell had retreated alongside Lyu, but he couldn’t believe what he was seeing.
Their defensive web was destroyed in an instant.
The attackers got the worst of it and most were on the ground, writhing in pain. But it wasn’t just them—the magic users hadn’t fared well, either. There were too many adventurers shaking on their hands and knees for Bell to count.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Level 2 Bell's max charge (3 minute) Argonaut Firebolt destroyed Black Goliath's head
“FIREBOLT!!”
His feet plunged into the dirt beneath the grass.
The sheer power of the electric inferno blasting out of his arm forced his body backward. His Firebolts intercepted the incoming howl, breaking it to pieces in midair.
“——”
The white sparkles shimmered marvelously as they were drawn up and into the burning lightning bolts. A deafening blast drowned out all other noise. The lightning bolts hit the Goliath in the mouth—and kept on going.
The Firebolt Magic vanished in an instant, leaving only a small sliver of the right side of the giant’s head still attached to its body. The beast didn’t even have time to roar in fear. Only a small piece of its right eye sat on a broken cheekbone as the floor boss staggered backward. Bell’s magic blast traveled all the way to the opposite wall, exploding on impact off in the distance.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Level 2 Bell can survive a roar from Black Goliath which is shown to be this powerful in the manga
Gone was Lyu’s calm demeanor. The Goliath unleashed yet another howl right on top of the boy as she screamed out to him.
The giant’s healing process was not yet complete—bits and pieces of muscle and fangs rained down on Bell. Argonaut had completely drained his Strength and Agility; he couldn’t get out of the way and took a direct hit.
Bell’s feet left the ground as his body was cut and sliced in midair along with the dirt. The next thing the boy’s eyes saw was the Goliath’s mountainous frame coming right for him.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Welf's Crozzo Magic Swords can injure Black Goliath permanently thus making it stronger than Level 2 Bell's max charge (3 minute) Argonaut Firebolt
“Burning Moon, Kazukiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!”
The blaze instantly cast bright shadows over everything and everyone.
A crimson pyre sprang to life. Flames erupted from the blade of the magic sword; the Goliath was engulfed in a scorching inferno.
The Goliath’s howls of pain were drowned out by the roaring fire as its body was overrun by the flames.
“——AAAAaaaaa?!”
The giant’s body burned as if trapped in the fires of hell.
Its self-regeneration couldn’t keep up. The fire burned away any progress it made. The moment one of the red specks healed a piece of its hide, the flames burned it away. The Goliath only had enough magic energy to maintain a physical form, and it was running out of energy fast.
For the first time during this long fight, permanent damage had been seared into the floor boss’s skin.
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes

Bell's Grand Bell Argonaut one shot the Black Goliath
Explosion on impact.
“————”
Welf and everyone else was forced to shield their eyes from the intense white light.
Bell’s war cry had drowned out the Goliath’s roar until the explosion erased all other sounds.
No one could hear a sound for several seconds. However, once their ears did recover…utter silence. The battle had been decided.
A few adventurers worked up the courage to lower their hands and arms for a better look. They saw a giant with no torso and no right arm lying in the middle of the circle of ash.
The legs and left arm made no sound, a bizarre statue in the aftermath.
And just in front of it, standing how he landed after the follow-through of his attack, was Bell. The black sword was broken, white smoke emerging from what was left of the weapon.
No one said a word, only tried to remember every single detail of this spectacle.
“…He…cut it down.”
Chapter 6: Praise To The Heroes
 
DanMachi Volume 6

War Game Castle info
The ruins of Shreme Castle.
Standing in a field void of trees or hills, the castle had been built in ancient times as the first line of defense. Completed before Babel Tower served as a “lid” over the Dungeon, it was used to stop the advance of monsters that emerged from the hole to attack nearby towns and villages. Many castles just like this one were built relatively close to Orario for just this reason. Most of them had been destroyed or collapsed after centuries of neglect, but Shreme was used as a staging point by the kingdom of Rakia in the war almost one thousand years ago. Several of its main towers were damaged, but the castle’s main wall and other defenses were very much intact. Now it had been selected to host the War Game.
The outer wall stood an impressive ten meders high, even higher in the areas where the towers once stood. The wall itself was more than thick enough to withstand the strongest of attacks—perhaps with the exception of a powerful blast of magical energy. Even top-class adventurers would have difficulty cracking it. The castle was located in an open area and very easy to attack. This wall was the main reason it had lasted so long.
Chapter 4: Those Who Gather

Apollo Arc feats in the anime

Crozzo's magic swords bring down castle walls and its shown that the level 2s of Apollo can withstand being hit by them
Archers hastily brought down a rain of arrows from the still-intact parts of the wall. However, Lyu had no trouble dodging them. Every time she spun, she swung one of the magic swords forward, engulfing the archers and magic users with flaming explosions and electrical eruptions. The sound was deafening even from this distance as even more of the castle wall came crumbling to the ground.
Its structural integrity gone, the heavily damaged northern wall started to tilt inward. Hurling a series of magical attacks stronger than regular Magic, Lyu worked her way east as she continued the assault. It wasn’t long before the castle’s eastern wall began to crumble under their power.
It didn’t take long for the group under Lissos’s command to fall into chaos as the hooded adventurer sprang into action. Most of them were third-tier, Level 2 adventurers facing down an enemy who was on her own—yet she unleashed a massacre, wielding her wooden weapon with the force of gale winds. Cape flapping vigorously behind her, she deflected three oncoming swords with one upward sweep before sending a human who got too close twenty meders into the air, using the momentum of her backswing to propel her blade forward.
Chapter 5: Our War Game

Bell's sixty second charge Firebolt destruction
The base of the stairwell directly beneath the throne room.
The massive spiral spread out to his left and right. Bell stood directly in the middle, looking straight up like an archer sighting a target.
The footsteps of an adventurer trying to descend echoed down the wide tube and reached his ears.
Bell reached skyward as if he were trying to grab hold of the sun.
—One minute.
A sixty-second charge. Pulsing white light had come together around him.
Next, one voice.
“Firebolt.”
A white inferno of electricity burst forth.
“ ____”
Cracks ran through the bulging stone floor, light leaking through.
All words left Hyacinthus the moment he saw the first blast break through and continue into the ceiling.
A deafening explosion.
“Haa—, ghaa—…?!”
Bits and pieces of stone fell off of Hyacinthus as he sat up, writhing in pain.
The upper half of the main tower was gone. The throne room itself had been completely destroyed by a blast that came from directly beneath it. Even now, the last of the electrical blasts were carving their way through clouds high in the sky, on their way toward the shining sun.
“What…what just happened?!”
Hyacinthus climbed to his feet. The once perfectly set and clean cape around his shoulders was torn and badly damaged. His normally stylish hair was ragged and filled with dirt.
—Cassandra had tackled him just as the first electrical burst came through the floor, knocking him out the window.
He could vaguely remember hearing the glass break as everything went white and his body was pelted with thousands of stone fragments. He must have lost consciousness during the fall, because he couldn’t remember how he’d ended up on the ground outside the castle. Looking around, all he could see were small mountains of debris and thick clouds of smoke obscuring his vision.
“Cassandra?! Ron?!”
He called out to his allies in confusion, anger, and an emotion he couldn’t recognize that was welling up inside of him. There was no response.
The smoke lifted enough for him to get a better view of the pile of stones a few meders away from him. A chill ran up Hyacinthus’s spine when he realized there was a human body buried in the rubble.
—Wiped out.
He was the only one left. His normally calm and refined demeanor crumbled.
Eyes flashing in fury, Hyacinthus drew his sword as the sky bridge fell apart, collapsing onto the castle below.
Chapter 5: Our War Game

Episode Ryuu

Runoa is stronger than Ryuu in power but slower than her
They charged together, trading punches and slashes. Weaving together dodges and counters, they kept switching places as a dizzying display of offense and defense unfolded in the blink of an eye. Lyu’s outline blurred as her blade sang through the air.
Black Fist’s—Runoa’s—body pitched about as she unleashed a storm of blows.
Befitting her name, she did not target any weak spots like Black Cat. It was just a straightforward brawling match.
Using both of her fists in a bare-knuckle brawl—just straight-up hand-to hand.
She’s faster!
Runoa clicked her tongue at her opponent’s Agility.
Her strength is higher.
Lyu scrutinized her opponent’s Strength.
““!!””
One deflected swords; the other parried fists. The flash of a blade sent blood spurting from a cheek; a barely dodged punch ripped part of a tunic. As the evenly matched battle unfolded, Lyu and Runoa’s battle for supremacy sped up.
That Is a Benevolent Tavern: ~Girl Meets Girls~

Chloe is inferior to the two but is still somewhat comparable while Anya is comparable to her
“It’s been a long time since I’ve heard that name, meow…”
Ahnya’s ears seemed to droop sadly at Chloe’s words. But that was just for a split second. Pulling herself together, Ahnya put on a cheerful smile.
“Right now, I’m just the stray cat Ahnya. I don’t know anything about Vana Alfi, meow.”
She spun her spear and prepared herself.
“Time to blow you away real quick and go help Lyu, meow.”
“Tch…Just you try, meow!”
Glaring at each other, they sprinted. The knife and spear flashed as the two catgirls collided.
That Is a Benevolent Tavern: ~Girl Meets Girls~

Sword Oratoria Volume 6

Melen Info
Meren was a port city to the southwest of Orario.
With only about three kirlo between the two, it was no more than a hop, skip, and a jump from one city to the other. It served as Orario’s portal to the sea due to its proximity to the banks of Lolog Lake, a large brackish body of water that led to the ocean.
Day after day, countless ships from countries all over the world made port in the city’s harbor, dropping off their hefty loads of cargo. The majority of the goods would be further transported into Orario as imports. In fact, just about everything that eventually made its way to Orario’s marketplaces was first gathered together in Meren. The sea route’s ability to transport large quantities of goods was one of its key advantages, and Orario, too, was no stranger to using it for its own exports. The city had long made use of the port as its go-between for exchanging its world-renowned magic-stone goods for foreign imports.
Chapter 2: Port Melen

Argana is stronger than Tione who just reached level 6 and hasn't adjusted to the strength of a level 6
“Then—shall we see just how strong you’ve become?”
For a single moment, no one so much as twitched along that wide road.
Then.
“Gnnngh!!”
The two women launched themselves at each other.
Argana’s left arm blocked Tione’s kick, and Tione’s left arm blocked Argana’s kick.
In less than an instant, the grand hand-to-hand duel had begun.
“Tione?!”
Tiona and Aiz arrived a second too late.
Screaming at the throng of onlookers to stay back, they made their way toward the center of the panicking crowd, where a barefoot battle of fist against fist was currently taking place. Long sandy hair tangled with jet-black as the two women exchanged punches and kicks that would leave an ordinary person crippled. The thick, dull sounds of the blocked blows thrummed in the ears of everyone present.
They seemed on par with each other. No, Tione was slightly—.
The skill with which they delivered their blows was nothing short of exemplary, and as Aiz watched them, she felt tiny prickles of apprehension stab at her heart.
When it came to weapons-free combat, Tione and Tiona were unquestionably the best in Loki Familia. Though Gareth might have been the strongest and Bete might have been the fastest, from a technical perspective, the Amazons’ unique style of martial arts was easily the fiercest. Aiz herself knew that, without a sword, she’d be out on her ass in five seconds flat.
But that same Tione now was slowly, ever so slowly, being “out-fierced” by Argana.
Those long limbs, almost like snakes, pecked away at her in everquickening strikes. And Argana’s ability to read her enemy’s next move was uncanny. Before Tione even began her attacks, Argana was already preparing for a counterstrike. There was no question as to her Level-6 rank, and she seemed to have the advantage when it came to Status, too.
Chapter 3: Kingdom of the Amazons

Argana is still slightly stronger than Tione after she had adjusted
Argana cocked her head to the side curiously. “You’re fighting much better than yesterday…Why is that, Tione?”
And it was true—Tione’s strikes were hitting with much greater precision than they had the day prior. The increased speed and accuracy enabled her to actually fight on par with her opponent.
“You sure it’s not just you gettin’ soft?” Tione snapped back, though not before she cursed internally.
Tione and Tiona had leveled up only a mere day before they came to Meren. Neither one of them had been able to fully come to terms with their new boosted abilities. There was still a bit of a gap between their bodies and minds, which, though slight, could prove fatal in a match against another top tier adventurer.
Her fight with Tiona back in the abandoned warehouse had been to rectify exactly this. Just as Aiz had gone up against that giant swarm of monsters immediately after her own level-up, Tione, too, had “adjusted” herself—the sister vs. sister practice duel let her put her new abilities into practice.
She’d been able to rein in the stampeding horse that was her own body. She wasn’t going to be defeated this time. And she assumed it would be the same for Tiona, now able to hold her own against Bache.
Still…she’s got the advantage when it comes to sheer power…
Argana and Bache, too, might have leveled up only a short while ago, but it was still a longer period of time than Tione and Tiona had. Ability-wise, at least, they’d always be ahead. She also hadn’t been able to sense any openings in the other woman’s moves, at least nothing like some of the ones she’d seen in Finn and the others.
Chapter 5: A Duo of Sun and Moon

A Level Boosted Phryne is stronger than Level 6 Base Aiz but Aiz can close the stat gap via swordsmanship
Because she was the Sword Princess, that’s why. And it didn’t matter that their levels were now the same or that her wind magic had been sealed.
The temporary strength Phryne had gained for this duel was no match for the swordsmanship Aiz had perfected through hours upon hours of rigorous training. Aiz’s technique and tactical prowess were simply too great for Phryne’s own abilities to catch up.
“Youuuuuuuuuu…annoying biiiiiiiitch!” the giant woman wailed, putting everything she had into a single massive diagonal strike of her ax.
With blinding speed, Aiz sidestepped the incoming attack in all its overflowing, rage-induced power. Time came screeching to a halt as the Sword Princess retaliated with a spinning cut, so fast Phryne couldn’t even register the movement.
Chapter 6: War's End

Beastification Bete is far stronger than Base Aiz. And was stated by Omori to be stronger than AIz w/ Ariel as well
“B-but she’s as strong as a Level Six! And…and my magic, it was sealed, so going up against her alone would be—”
“Awww, shut the hell up, would ya?” The werewolf cut her off with an irate growl, already a Level 6 himself. “Only a little longer now…” he hissed, looking up. “Only a little longer, and I’ll become stronger than even you…at least without that wind of yours.”
Chapter 6: War's End
 
Had to do some other stuff so I had to miss yesterday's reread. Also forgot to do Grand Day and Arrow of Orion before so I guess I'll just add it here

Grand Day

Behemoth Alternative Spawns' twister size

Behemoth Alternative Spawns are capable of shaking Orario

Behemoth Alternative creates a thick and dense black cloud that's the size of a city or two and can shut out the sun

One of the super large twisters from the larger Behemoth Alternative Spawn is this big and could destroy Orario

Behemoth's corpse created a desert of black ash which the Behemoth Alternative created its black cloud over

Size of the desert of ash

Story's not canon but the actual Behemoth and the other Three Great Quests monsters as well as Antares should scale above this as Behemoth Alternative was born from the consuming the drop item of the actual Behemoth and is stated to be smaller and weaker than the original one

Not sure what the rules for canon characters scaling to non-canon feats are though since we're technically also scaling Epimetheus to the Divine Flames' statements from Aedes Vesta which is non-canon. Same with the Gods to Antares from the movie. Though considering how Omori worked on all of these and constantly adds canon info in non-canon stuff I think DanMachi should be fine to use these non-canon scaling.

Arrow of Orion

Artemis's bow created by her Arcanum can destroy the Lower World

DanMachi Volume 7

Aisha is physically stronger than a new level 3 Bell
There’s only an arm wrapped around my waist and one around my shoulder. But her grip is too strong.
A grip strong enough to contain me after I just ranked up to Level 3—that means…
This woman has Falna like me?
“Easy there,” says Aisha with a confident laugh as she tightens her arms around me.
Incredible physical strength and tenacity paired with overwhelming beauty. She’s the physical embodiment of everything Amazons are known for.
Chapter 2: Run, Cranel

Phryne a high level 5 dodges Bell's firebolt at close range
“FIREBOLT!!”
An electrified inferno burst forward from his palm.
It came together to form the sharp tip of the spear—that Phryne dodged with a quick backspin.
“No way…!”
Bell couldn’t believe his eyes.
Firebolt—missed?
At that distance?!
Chapter 6: Yearning of a Hero

Floating Garden size
The roof of the ziggurat—the Floating Garden.
Several towers extended well beyond its forty-story height to protect it. The palace reached farther into the sky just beside it. Each stone block that made up the ground of the wide building had been meticulously placed to be exactly level and to have absolutely no cracks between each slab.
Chapter 6: Yearning of a Hero

Level boosted Bell is on par with Phryne in speed but still weaker than her in every other stat
Thanks to her Magic, Uchide no Kozuchi, Bell was able to keep up with Phryne blow for blow. The Amazon was right, Haruhime’s Level Boost granted incredible power.
However, it wasn’t perfect. While Bell’s speed was on par with her, she still had every other advantage.
Even with the assistance of an enchantment that should be illegal, Bell couldn’t overcome the wall that separated him from top-class adventurers.
Bell gritted his teeth as he desperately tried to use his elevated Status to hold back the onslaught of attacks coming from one of Orario’s most powerful fighters.
Chapter 7: Goddess War

Sword Oratoria Volume 7

Level 7 Revis completely overpowered Finn in just three attacks and he needed Hell Finnegas to even stand a chance
“So we meet again, prum.”
The frosty voice descended upon him at the same time as her obsidian sword.
She followed through even as he blocked the strike, nearly blasting him backward from the incredible shock.
She had power, speed, and a destructive force more powerful than his small body could take.
After only three crosses of the blade, his strength simply gave out.
“This is payback. For what happened on the eighteenth floor.”
Her intimidating aura was worlds apart from that of their previous encounter. And her combat ability was nigh unthinkable.
She was not only a creature but an enhanced species.
Just how many magic stones had she eaten—?
—It’s Hell Finegas or nothing.
He had to use it or he’d lose.
Chapter 2: Dungeon Trap

Revis while holding back was able to match and overpower Level 6 Aiz w/ Ariel (Which was confirmed in later volumes to be equivalent to a level boost after she reached level 6) in both speed and strength
“You humans. So affected by the death of your companions.”
Levis’s speed simply rose to meet hers.
It seemed that even before Aiz’s armor of wind, she was no longer worried that one full-powered hit could very well end her life.
Chapter 3: Feast of the Dead

Tione's skill reversed the debuffs that were supposed to weaken her
“What’s going on? Is the anti-Status Magic no longer working?!”
“B-but there’s no wa—Aaaarrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!”
But they weren’t even given the time to finish their thoughts as Tione picked them off one by one. She didn’t stop, and the multiple curses and anti-Status Magic seemingly did nothing against her onslaught.
It was a rampage of virtually unparalleled proportions.
“Oh, right…Her skill: Berserk,” Cruz said as the memory of Tione’s barbaric ability dawned on him.
It was an ability that drew from her building rage to greatly augment her physical strength. And given the underhanded way the assassins had pummeled her with debuff after debuff, it only made sense her anger levels would be practically off the charts. In fact, with each new curse or anti-Status Magic spell cast, her strength actually seemed to grow, completely reversing their status-lowering effects.
Chapter 4: The Sword's Wind Calls

Bete lifts an orichalcum gate with one hand
Dix found himself frozen in place.
Hey, moron, you even know how heavy that door is—?
But already, the world on the other side was peeping through—a view of two powerful legs in metallic boots and a wolf’s tail swishing back and forth.
In what was probably the most surprising of the building developments, the wolf was using a single arm, crushed gauntlet and all, to lift the barricade from its resting place.
Before Dix knew it, the door was up to his chest…and he was staring into the bloodshot amber eyes of an enraged werewolf.
Chapter 4: The Sword's Wind Calls

Revis' power is above that of the average level 7
Levis was an enhanced species; what’s more, she commanded power well over that of a Level 7. Even with her wind, Aiz couldn’t hope to contend with her. Outwitting her at this point would be close to impossible. Physically, her wounds were already deep. Her body would be unable to take another skirmish.
Chapter 4: The Sword's Wind Calls

Bete while being amped by Ariel surpassed Level 7 Revis' speed and could harm her. Tione after being heavily amped by her skills can also hurt Revis same with Tiona.
Neither one of them wanted to give up the first strike.
But it was Levis who misread the attack.
“————”
She may have feasted on magic stones, but she wasn’t the only one who’d grown in power since their fight in the pantry—Bete, too, had gained a level and was now a Level 6.
And his fangs had already sunk into Aiz’s wind.
“Ruuuuuuuuuoooooooooooaaaaggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!”
“?!”
In a flash, his Frosvirt became imbued with the gale.
The new speed and power behind his metal boots surpassed anything Levis could have expected, and the sword she’d raised in her counteroffensive was knocked from her hands.
It was an opening, and new shadows had already gathered around the creature woman to take advantage of the gap in her defenses.
“Having fun bullying our sister, are ya?”
“An Amazon…?!”
Immediately after Bete, Tione leaped forward like a snake, flourishing her twin Kukri knives. In a flurry of repeated flashes, she drew a shower of blood from Levis’s body, sending the red-haired creature crumbling to the ground.
But the wave of attacks didn’t end there.
“ We ain’t gonna go easy on ya!”
Directly overhead, the Amazon’s other half came flying toward her with her oversize weapon, her normal smile gone at the sight of Aiz’s wounds.
Now, nothing but pure, unadulterated rage burned in Tiona’s eyes, and Levis was unable to do anything but stare in shock as the double-bladed Urga came at her at full power.
“Take this————!!”
“Guurraaagh!!”
The monster sword cleaved through Levis’s longsword—and her arm with it. Her forearm went spinning through the air, cut cleanly from the elbow.
“—————”
Before Levis even had a chance to recover, all she could see was a rocklike fist sailing straight toward her face.
“Off ye go now.”
It was Gareth.
“Gunnghh?!”
The punch passed easily over the arm she’d brought up to try and defend herself, driving into her frame and sending her flying through the air with the force of a raging river. When she slammed into the far wall, a mushroom-like cloud of dirt and dust erupted from the impact, and the hall shook around them.
The battle over, Loki Familia’s first-tier adventurers lowered their weapons and raced toward Aiz.
Chapter 4: The Sword's Wind Calls

Power Bull Demi-Spirit Gugalanna was capable of easily breaking through adamantite walls which Gareth struggled a bit to destroy
“Did it just…break through the adamantite walls—like it was nothing…?!” Raul murmured in horrified awe as the first-tier adventurers felt an unsettling sense of déjà vu wash over them.
And then, as though summoning the nightmare back to reality, Aiz said its name.
“A demi-spirit…!”
Chapter 4: The Sword's Wind Calls

Tiona when amped by her skills is comparable to Gareth and could hurt Gugalanna
Tiona and Gareth veered toward the creature’s backside, tearing into its legs.
“Th-this thing’s hard as a rock! What the hell? It cracked my Urga!”
Each adventurer had taken one of the beast’s hind legs, but the assault rewarded them with nothing but shock. Just as Tiona had so boisterously shouted, a clean crack had formed in her Urga, and the blade of Gareth’s ax was now missing a sizable chunk.
Not only was the spirit’s skin remarkably thick, it boasted a granitic solidity easily as strong as adamantite’s.
“That hurts.”
But Tiona and Gareth weren’t the two strongest warriors of Loki Familia for nothing.
And despite their own casualties, their blows had left wounds in the brute’s rigid skin that were now gushing blood.
Chapter 5: Battle of Tears

Gugalanna is weaker than the Titan Alm Demi-Spirit from floor 59
This was a power-type demi-spirit, unlike the magic-type they’d crossed swords with on the fifty-ninth floor. While its overwhelming destructive power and unadulterated defensive strength were truly awe-inspiring, that was all it had.
It was, quite honestly, boring.
For Loki Familia especially, who’d challenged the unknown of the
Dungeon’s depths a hundred times over on their many expeditions, this new enemy before them now was practically docile. Compared to the tentacle-wielding, flower petal–armored demi-spirit they’d taken down on the fifty-ninth floor, this raging bull was entirely more manageable. Its potential was staggering, enough to offset its maladroit attacks, but even as the trio was knocked off their feet, their skin littered with cuts and bruises and blood flowing freely from fresh wounds, they continued all the same, weapons never stopping.
Chapter 5: Battle of Tears

Tiona's two skills activating at max power allowed her to sever Gugalanna's leg in one blow
She was using a combination of her two skills:
Intense Heat and Berserk.
Both at max power.
With one flying swipe of her Urga—a strike more powerful than any she’d inflicted yet—she took out the gawking bull’s legs in an explosion of bone.
“Take this, ya big cow————!”
The demi-spirit’s right hind leg was severed from its body
“Huurrrrrraaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhh?!” The bull howled in pain. As its great hulking body sank to the ground, one of the blades of Tiona’s Urga ruptured in a shower of knifelike shards. Between the power behind the strike and the tenacity of the bull’s skin, the entire thing had simply shattered.
But that still left the double-bladed weapon with one good blade.
“It ain’t over yeeeeeeeeeeet!!” Tiona shrieked, now wielding her Urga like a greatsword and going after the spirit’s other legs.
Driven by pure, concentrated power, she hacked at the remaining legs with cleaving blows, becoming a whirlwind of great Berserk-infused slashes.
Chapter 5: Battle of Tears
 
really wish we had any real way to measure adamantite and mithril and whatnot, best we can say is that they should be more resistant than any irl mineral we have on earth so at best you can argue it's better/has a higher melting point than tungstein but that's as far as it goes
 
Sword Oratoria Volume 8

Knossos info. Finn believes its as large as the entire city of Orario but from the info we got later on this might be wrong
The man-made labyrinth Knossos.
Residing deep beneath the winding roads of Daedalus Street, the Evils had made it their lair, an underground maze that boasted a size and depth that was far beyond anything they knew. Finn believed it was as large as the entire city of Orario, while its depth was reached near the middle levels of the Dungeon, at least. Even for the goddess Loki, this was a discovery that defied common sense.
Chapter 1: Lonely Wolf

Bete's tribe were capable of fighting and even defeat low level familias without falna
As a tribe without a god to worship, everyone had to be strong, even the women and children. They’d fight off the monsters that roamed the surface, crush rogue caravans along with their guards, and do it all without the blessings of a Status. More than anything else, their power as a race of people who awoke under the light of the moon came from their untamed skills and knowledge—the techniques and strategies they’d long cultivated as a tribe. They were the Beastmen of the Plains, capable of taking on even low-level familias, and though many envoys from their surrounding countries and familias solicited their aid, Bete’s father had always heeded the teachings of his ancestors and refused them.
Chapter 1: Lonely Wolf

Three Great Frontiers
Though he would only come to know this later, the beast had come from one of the world’s three great frontiers—the Valley of Dragons to the far, far north.
The colossal, flightless dragon boasted scales that could ward off any attack. With one mighty roar, it had punctured the very eardrums of the plains people, and it had devoured even the tribe’s warriors in their awakened beast modes. His father and mother had been torn to shreds. His sister had been crushed to death. Bete had been more fortunate: After a swipe to the face from the beast’s claws, he’d been sent hurtling into a nearby outcropping of rocks, the impact knocking him out cold until the battle was over.
It was from a passing peddler that he learned of another of the world’s three great frontiers: the Dungeon. It rested on the westernmost tip of the continent, within a city known as the Labyrinth City. And it was in this city that the strongest of adventurers and their gods gathered. Thus, Bete’s journey for power began.
Chapter 1: Lonely Wolf

Level 6 Base Bete is faster than Level 6 Aiz w/ Ariel
He was still the fastest runner in Loki Familia, able to outpace Aiz even when she used Airiel. As he sat there, shoulders still heaving, Lena gave a small moan—“Ngh…”—from where he’d thrown her as she finally came to.
Chapter 2: Did Someone Order a Wolf

Valleta's Shaldo magic can nerf a level 6 down to a level 4
Bete’s Status had dropped so low by this point, he’d breached the level threshold. If he had to guess, he was down to a Level 4 already, which was perilously low. What’s more, Valletta had slowly lured him straight into the center of the barrier. Even if he used every ounce of strength he had left to try and escape, who knew how many attacks he’d have to fend off before he made it to the edge? And with every block, every dodge, his Status would plunge even further.
Chapter 5: Battered Wolf

Bete's Hati is a damage and magic drain with no limits and is considered to be able to reach a greater boost than Tiona’s Berserk which at max power boosted her from a low level 6 to surpassing a high level 7 in strength
Bete’s spell: Hati.
While the four enchantments on his arms and legs boasted firepower of their own, its true strength lay in its ability to drain other magic. Any magicbased attack it touched was absorbed, boosting its magic output and destructive power.
“Bete’s Frosvirt is actually a downgraded version of the spell. Stubborn lad as he was, refusin’ to use his own magic, he had Tsubaki make ’em for ’im to use in its stead,” Gareth explained. Raul and Anakity gulped at this new piece of information. Not even they, for as long as they’d known Bete, knew any of this.
“But…but why wouldn’t Mister Bete use his magic if it’s this crazy powerful…? Wouldn’t that make him even stronger…?”
“His scars.” Loki answered Raul’s confused question.
“Huh?”
“Usin’ that magic…forces Bete to face the scars of his past,” she murmured almost sadly, looking down at her own palm as though picturing the Status on Bete’s back. “You see, it’s got one more attribute to it, as well. Its true feature, you might say.”
“True feature…?”
“It’s a damage drain…Meanin’ that the more Bete gets hurt, the stronger it becomes.”
“…!”
“It ain’t like Tiona and Tione’s Berserk magic. This thing basically has no limits on how strong it can get. It can even become the sort of column-like pyre we just saw earlier.”
This news left Raul and the other’s utterly speechless.
That was the true nature of Bete’s magic, Hati.
As it absorbed more and more magic, the enchantment properties of the spell made it impossible for Bete to avoid burning himself in the flames. And as Bete took more and more damage, the spell would grow even stronger, the wounds on his body acting as kindling for the growing inferno.
His own pain and suffering would make the fang of that colossal wolf stronger, more powerful than ever.
Chapter 5: Battered Wolf

Bete when using Hati and Beastification at the same time is considered the strongest person Gareth knows. So at the very least Level 5 Bete w/ Hati + Beastification was above Gareth himself who's power is equivalent to that of a level 7 and considered to be the strongest physical fighter in the Loki Familia.
The room grew silent, no one saying a word, as Gareth turned his gaze toward the door and the sky beyond. The earlier clouds were gone, almost as though frightened away by the flaming wolf, revealing the golden light of the moon.
“That lad…Once he shows ’is true colors, he’s stronger than anyone I know,” Gareth muttered as he narrowed his eyes. “Those blokes really stepped on the wrong wolf’s tail this time.”
Chapter 5: Battered Wolf

DanMachi Volume 8

Level 6s are on par with or stronger than the monsters from Ancient Times such as a dragon. Thus supporting the idea that Argonaut characters at the time were level 5 normally as they were able to easily defeat the monsters of Ancient Times with Yuri being able to be on par with the Red Dragon that is capable of destroying cities and even a country with Beastification
Should a Blessed person’s Status reach Level 6 in today’s world, they would be on par with, or even exceed, the ferocious monsters that had rampaged through the world during the Ancient Times.
In other words, this dwarf—at least in the eyes of Rakia’s Knights—was no different from a dragon in the days of old.
It was also true that an army that lacked a hero could never hope to slay a dragon.
Prologue: Attack of the War God

Low Level 1s are slower than horses? Though I guess it could just be like how the horses from Knights of Fianna are stronger than normal horses with them being equivalent in speed to level 3s and all that
“It was over the moment they mounted their horses, don’t you agree?”
“The kiddos with higher Statuses are still faster anyway. Don’t know if they’re tryin’ to look cool or somethin’, but it’s like tellin’ everyone their Statuses have a lot of growin’ left to do.”
Prologue: Attack of the War God

Higher levels (containers) grant resistance to abilities of weaker beings
The Minotaur’s howl, a menacing sound that awakened the instinct of fear in weaker creatures and froze them in their tracks, blasted through the hallway.
Lilly was quick to shield her ears as well as Haruhime’s to protect them from the howl. As Level 1 adventurers, the girls would have difficulty withstanding its effects. Welf, on the other hand, shrugged it off with a grin.
He used the strength of his powerful spiritual “container” to overcome the auditory attack and joined Bell and Mikoto in the counteroffensive.
Chapter 1: Love Song to a God of Martial Arts

Some continent geography info
Fifty kirlos due east from Orario.
While life was going on as usual behind the city wall far away, the Alliance was still busy dealing with Rakia’s army.
“Gahh, I’m soooo bored. Fiiiinn. End this already, will yaaaa.”
The battle had begun five days ago.
Loki Familia had built their base of operations in a clearing in the middle of the plain. There they had a commanding view, from the harsh Alb mountain range all the way to the edges of the Deep Forest Seoro. While Loki Familia’s flag flew high above their heads, they kept a close eye on enemy movements.
Chapter 2: The Prum's Proposal

Falna granting longevity and brings a mortal closer to godhood
“F-forty…?!”
“What? Don’t tell me you don’t know about the side effects of having a Status?"
Finn looks back at me with that incredibly youthful face and starts to explain, while clearly enjoying my surprise. He details how high-level adventurers gain the ability to slow the aging process.
Basically, a stronger spirit container doesn’t wear down with age, and in fact has a greater longevity than most. The effect increases every time a person levels up.
When it comes to eternal life, with the exception of the creator of the Philosopher’s Stone, mortals have yet to unlock the key to perpetual youth and true immortality. Instead, over the past thousand years, the repeated leveling up of many adventurers has displayed the possibility of conquering the aging process to the world, or so Finn says.
…If Lady Hestia were here, she’d probably say, “Leveling up brings a mortal closer to godhood.”
We gain more abilities the higher we ascend. In other words, the closer we get to the eternally youthful gods and goddesses, the more we resemble them in various ways…That’s not too hard to wrap my mind around.
Although, actually getting to where deities stand is probably impossible.
Chapter 2: The Prum's Proposal

Allen traveled 30 kilometers in an unknown period of time
Thirty kirlos due east from Orario, a beautiful starry night spread out over Freya Familia’s forward base.
“Pardon the intrusion.”
“Welcome back, Allen. I do hope your time away from the battlefield has been restful.”
Allen Fromel—whose gods-assigned title was Vana Freya—made a polite bow as Freya showed her appreciation for his return.
Chapter 5: City Girl's Secret

Sword Oratoria Volume 9

Wil's Crozzo magic sword which Welf's own Crozzo magic sword overpowered would've caused an entire city block to go up in flames
Because the Guild loathed unnecessary confusion, the existence of the spies was not made public. Apparently, there had been quite a few of them, and they had even brought in a certain legendary magic item—one of Crozzo’s Magic Swords. If there had been any mistake, an entire block might have gone up in flames, but there was no telling that from the peaceful hustle and bustle of the city.
Chapter 2: A Brief Calm
 
DanMachi Volume 9

Lido, one of the three leaders of the Xenos is stronger than Phryne, a high level 5
Bell thought that might be the case after fighting the lizardman one-on-one. Lido was most likely holding back at the time, but it still summoned flashbacks of Ishtar Familia’s first-tier adventurer, Phryne, during the battle. Therefore, the boy had suspected that the lizardman’s potential strength could very well exceed hers.
Chapter 5: Heretics

DanMachi Volume 10

Four is far stronger than Dix but is far less skilled
The formoire Foh noticed the man casually advancing.
Seeing the badly injured hunters take several steps back, he narrowed his eyes at the newcomer. Shoulder muscles bulging, the Xenos took aim at the man’s head and swept the mace to the side with all the strength he could muster.
It traced a straight horizontal line.
The air howled from the powerful force.
The attack could instantly turn him into a mangled lump of meat, and Dix— smoothly deflected it with the shaft of his spear.
“———.”
Sparks flew as the loud clash of weapons rang out.
A single spear turned aside the massive mace, delivering the blow to empty air.
Though the formoire’s arms were three times larger than Dix’s, the hunter successfully neutralized the attack.
Skill and technique. It was a demonstration of the strength and ability the ruthless hunter had cultivated.
In the moment before the next attack, the man’s evil sneer reflected in the formoire’s black eyes.
Dix used his momentum to slip past his opponent and position himself in a blind spot.
“One time I got busted up pretty bad capturing a big one.”
Still at the end of his swing, Foh’s back was completely exposed.
Dix’s eyes locked onto his solid, muscular target, and he thrust his spear straight forward.
“You ain’t what I need.”
Shing! A sharp, metallic sound echoed through the room.
The rubellite spearhead pierced the heavy breastplate before plunging into the formoire’s thick torso.
Foh was completely run through, and blood spurted from his mouth.
Chapter 7: The King of Atrocity

Once again Central Park is as wide as the 5th floor and that the Dungeon gets wider with each successive lower floor
The Dungeon layout is circular.
It gets wider with each successively lower floor.
The fifth floor, part of the upper levels, is said to be about as wide as Central Park on the surface. I wonder if it’s because there’s less space up here compared to the middle levels, but it feels as though I keep finding adventurers around every turn. Then again, there are a lot more lower-class adventurers in the first place, so it only makes sense people run into one another more.
Chapter 7: The King of Atrocity

Shakti is capable of keeping up with the three leaders of the Xenos
At the very least, three of them—a gargoyle, a siren, and a lizardman—had demonstrated the potential to go toe to toe with the subjugation team’s first-tier adventurers and come out on top. Stone wings went from being a shield one moment to a blunt weapon the next; powerful sound waves blasted from overhead; a longsword and scimitar moved with a skill belied by the wielder’s wild techniques. Other than Shakti, the adventurers were forced to defend lest the vicious counterattacks finish them off.
Chapter 9: Dreams of Beasts

Knossos Info
The Dungeon layout was circular.
It expanded outward with each floor wider than the last.
And—Knossos was concave around it.
Bell used his knowledge and Dix’s claim to arrive at that conclusion.
Daedalus’s blueprints called for a structure that sat in the negative space around the Dungeon’s circular edges, transforming it into a pillar of sorts beneath the city. This man-made labyrinth wrapped around the Dungeon’s circular floors.
The underground network of sewer systems that Fels had mentioned, the secret tunnel that Bell had found, all of it was built as part of the plan to create this one grand piece.
Bell’s face turned pale as he struggled to comprehend Knossos’s full scale.
“My old man, granddad, and other ancestors expanded Knossos all the way down to the middle levels, and I don’t even know their faces.”
A thousand years had passed since Mad Daedalus’s death.
Knossos was the result of one thousand years of insane, blood-driven obsession.
Bell could almost see Daedalus’s flawed vision taking shape, as hands crawling out from beneath his feet.
“But on the other hand…one thousand years and still only the middle levels.”
Only 30 percent of the blueprint had been completed, he told them in a spray of spit.
Chapter 9: Dreams of Beasts

Mid Level 3 Bell can keep up with a casual Dix who was leveled down due to his magic. His speed was also on par with Level 4 Dix. Dix’s skills were compared to that of Phryne.
“Are you really Level Three, boy? Got some quick feet there.”
“…!”
The man in goggles spun the two-meder red spear, knocking each hit away with ease.
Simply stated, Bell’s attacks hadn’t inflicted so much as a scratch anywhere on Dix’s body. The man had avoided every single slash of the boy’s mad rush.
With the bloody roars of the Xenos behind him, the man in goggles forced the boy back with a series of devastating blows from his spear.
The two separated for a brief moment.
“What that mage said is true. My curse makes my Status drop like a rock.”
“……!”
“Can’t help that everything feels slow and heavy.”
It was as though the man could see doubt in Bell’s eyes, wondering if he was really debilitated in any way. So, Dix revealed Phobetor Daedalus’s cost outright.
Bell’s opponent normally had strength to go head-to-head with first-tier adventurers.
Even if his Status had dropped by a full Level—he was still Level 4.
The boy’s face tensed, but he knew the difference in their Statuses already and gripped his knives without fear. Then he launched his attack anew.
“I was just gonna mess around a bit, but it looks like I got no choice. The rumored Rookie lives up to the hype.”
But he was getting bored.
—He’s strong.
Dix’s skill and tactics would never disappear, no matter how far his Status fell.
Of course not. They had been developed in actual combat, from real experience.
No matter how close Bell came in Status, even if his greatest weapon, his Agility, was comparable, the amount of experience separating the two was insurmountable. In short, hunter Dix Perdix was strong, even without his powerful curse.
Bell became painfully aware of that fact as the spear shaft knocked him to the ground.
The unstoppable approach of burning despair began at his toes and fingertips, much as it had when he was facing Phryne.
Chapter 9: Dreams of Beasts

Dix is comparable to Lido in strength
In truth, he was at a great disadvantage.
Bell was badly injured from head to toe, and Lido was still feeling the effects of the curse. Although neither could fight at full strength, it was still two against one. Even without his refined sword techniques, the lizardman still possessed the strength of a first-tier adventurer—the potential to match Dix blow for blow was still intact. His Status was considerably weaker while Phobetor Daedalus was active, so Dix couldn’t contend with Lido in this state.
On the other hand, if he reclaimed his full power by dismissing the curse, all the crazed Xenos would come back to themselves and immediately turn on Dix and the other hunters.
Chapter 9: Dreams of Beasts

Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger can easily cut through Asterius’ arm
“Awaken, Tempest.”
Her beautiful voice sounded on the breeze.
The extremely short trigger spell activated her magic.
“—VUOOOO!”
Its back vulnerable, the minotaur immediately turned to swing with the magic weapon in its right hand.
The blond-haired, golden-eyed knight saw the electrified blade coming toward her and quietly whispered:
“Airiel.”
Wind blew.
The moment it enveloped her body, she slashed forward with blinding speed.
Her blade—pierced the enemy’s arm.
“———.”
Time stopped for Hestia Familia, the Xenos, and the black minotaur.
The wind-lined blade sent the magic weapon spinning along with most of the monster’s right arm. It twirled through the air until it slammed blade-first into a broken piece of stone pavement with the handle sticking straight up.
Electrical energy pulsed through the ground underfoot as the gigantic monster reared back.
“———————————————?!”
As the minotaur screamed into the sky, blood gushed from what was left of the creature’s upper arm; everything from halfway above the elbow was gone.
Chapter 10: The Fool

Sword Oratoria Volume 10

Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger easily severed Asterius' arm
“Tempest,” she chanted in a sonorous voice, signaling an intent to kill.
“Airiel.”
The wind whined.
A tremendous flow of air rushed up, and her sword flashed.
And in the next moment, the monster’s right arm flew through the sky.
“ ”
Her comrades, Hestia Familia, the armed monsters, and the black minotaur were silent.
The flash of steel stole all their breaths away. A gentle breeze blew by, and the severed arm crashed to the ground.
Chapter 2: Someone Named Fool

Bell's Firebolt at level 3 is on par with a level 2 mage. Implying that magic users with the Mage DA in general always hit one level above their actual level. As Bell's Firebolt has shown time and time again to be able to hurt and kill enemies at his level.
Bell Cranell’s magic was a menace.
He didn’t have to worry about chanting to unleash the Swift-Strike spell, which had the force of a short-trigger cast to match. But it was a Level 3. After becoming a second-tier adventurer, he had magic on par with a Level-2 mage. Its firepower was not an insignificant thing. It shot off at a speed that hardly anyone could hope to block—the members of Loki Familia focused on the monster were no exception. They took a direct hit when they were about to attack the vouivre, and their heads smacked into the wall and the ground upon impact.
Interlude: The Fairy's Rage

Asterius is considered more powerful than any monster they have ever defeated which would likely include Balor the monster rex of floor 49.
“Its techniques weren’t anything to write home about. If we can just get into close range, it won’t be too hard to fight. But…it was stronger than every other monster we’ve pulverized.”
“And its resilience was abnormal. It didn’t matter how much Tione and the others hit it; it didn’t show any sign of holding back—not until Aiz’s wind landed a solid hit.”
“Its skin was tougher than an enhanced black rhino’s hide. If it got any stronger, it would pose a big problem for us. It’s better to think of it as a floor boss than a regular monster. But as long as we don’t mess up while dealing with it, we can beat it, exactly like Tiona said.”
After Tiona, Tione, Bete, Riveria, and Gareth all spoke, Aiz finally chimed in.
“But…that monster…is going to get even stronger.”
No one in the upper echelon of Loki Familia denied her comment. All the first-tier adventurers were thinking the same thing. The pitch-black monster was still developing, as unbelievable as that might have sounded.
Chapter 3: The Melancholy of a Hero. The Anguish of the Sword Princess

Aiz moving a pretty far distance in a thousandth of a second and Ryuu who was amped to level 5 being able to react to it
Sword and sheath in both hands…Can the Sword Princess dual wield? Impossible. I’ve never heard of her doing that before.
The challenger was perplexed and suspicious but never stopped their feet. The masked adventurer continued their sprint to take full advantage of their skill while observing the movements of the girl with golden hair and golden eyes.
In the center of the alley, enclosed in a gale prison, Aiz closed her eyes.
She lowered both arms, holding them loosely by her side, as if to say, Strike however you like. It was formless.
Is this a waiting stance…?
Aiming for a counter. A passive tactic.
Did she give up on following my movements? Is she intending to bet it all on a single attack?
For the masked adventurer, it was exactly the sort of development they should have wanted to buy time. If the assailant kept running and continuing to divert without attacking, they could maintain the stalemate.
But the Sword Princess should realize that I’m aiming to buy time…Is she trying to lower my guard? Is it a trap?
The storied warrior behind the mask tried to read into the intentions of the swordswoman. The assailant had been attacking nonstop. And in that smallest of gaps, they adopted a defensive mind-set.
That slight gap in the force of their gale could hardly be called a defensive posture—but it was enough for the girl.
The next instant, Aiz dashed.
“Urg?!”
Discarding the camouflage of a counter, she came in with an instantaneous approach. The masked adventurer was visibly shocked as the golden-eyed swordswoman appeared before their eyes, charging into their projected path.
Interlude: Their Respective Battles

Daedalus Street Map from the SO manga

Welf's ice magic sword, Hiyo is comparable to Riviera's Wynn Fimbulvetr
Of all times, an ice blast incomparable to the previous ones came flying toward them. A stream of blue ice shot through the black mist. The blizzard blew past, leaving Gareth no way to evade its effects as it froze over the pavement in an instant.
As he tried to cover the members of the familia, he took out the shield beneath his mantle on his back to absorb the full brunt of the blow.
“Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?!”
The crackling chill sound was so loud that everyone on the battlefield stopped moving.
“M-Mr. Gareth?!”
“…I’m guessing it’s on the same level as Riveria’s magic, huh? That’s got a wee bite to it.”
The shield, and the hand holding it, and all of Gareth’s lower body were frozen over. He was frozen up to his beard, and his face looked frostbitten, as if he’d been outdoors in a blizzard in an icy country.
If she put everything into it, Riveria’s Wynn Fimbulvetr was stronger. But that didn’t make this assault any less scary. After all, this one had been unleashed by a magic blade that could cast spells quickly.
Interlude: Their Respective Battles

Lefiya and Riveria's combined Wynn Fimbulvetr while amped by Riveria's skill Alf Regina can hurt Level 7 Revis and take her arm
““Wynn Fimbulvetr!””
Levis recoiled at the simultaneous frozen cannons—six blizzards in total.
“Tch?!”
Kicking off the floor of the main passage, she flew into a side path by a hairbreadth.
Her left arm and the cursed sword couldn’t escape the firing line in time, swallowed up in the jaws of the blizzard. The eyes of the creature distorted as she made the instantaneous decision to abandon it, snapping off the frozen arm and narrowly avoiding getting dragged away by the explosion.
Less than a second later, the loud boom of an avalanche resounded behind her.
The twin cannons of ice froze everything, leaving a track of blue covering the entire main passage. The interior of the labyrinth was consumed unbelievably by an enormous cold wave.
Levis persisted, even as her skin was getting frostbitten, managing to escape onto a side path…When she lowered her right arm from her face, the scene of a frozen passage unfolded before her eyes.
Alf Regina—a rare skill that none save Riveria had ever developed.
The effect was an enhancement of her own abilities and the amplification of the effectiveness of magic wielded by fellow elves inside her magic circle by recovering the magic energy in the surroundings and converting it back to Mind.
In other words, along with Riveria, all elves inside the magic circle would increase in magical strength and recover their deleted Mind.
In particular, the latter effect was peerless. Even if it paled in comparison to the nonsensical recharge of the demi-spirit on the fifty-ninth floor, its recovery effect was significantly more pronounced than the Mind autorecovery effect from Spirit Healing.
Finn had ordered the surprise attack on Knossos because he knew of that skill. Alf Regina would allow them to enhance their magical abilities and recover their Mind as they ran around in a giant labyrinth of an unknown size.
Chapter 5: Brave Soul

A weakened Asterius dodges rapid fire Firebolts

Bell survives being sent flying alongside a tower sky high after cushioning the blow

Bell survives being smashed into the dungeon from above

Gareth is physically stronger than Level 7 Revis and Riveria can take Revis' arm with her magic and keep up with Finn and Gareth's speed.
She was stopped by the battle-ax of a dwarf flying in at a right angle from behind Finn. Gareth had dashed to the scene upon being summoned by Finn at the main base, and he crossed blades with Levis now.
Upon impact, a massive shock wave rippled out, causing the air to tremble as the dwarf warrior clashed head-on with the creature who’d defeated both the Sword Princess and Braver. Levis scoffed as Elgarm grinned ferociously.
“Everyone, support Alicia and the others. Secure a path for retreat!” Finn barked his orders as he dashed.
When Levis relied on speed over power to swipe at Gareth, Finn butted in from the side with his Fortia Spear, challenging her even though he’d been cut down once before. He weakened the momentum behind Levis’s sword, supporting Gareth through teamwork.
““Riveria!”” They called for the high elf, seizing the advantage in this fight.
“Heh!!”
“Tch…Three Level Sixes!”
Wielding her long staff, Riveria joined the front lines with Finn and Gareth, adding to the raging battle.
The teamwork among Loki Familia’s three leaders was divine, assaulting Levis from three different sides to create a storm of continuous attacks. The Xenos, who’d been swept aside in the flow of events, were filled with awe.
Even though she was a mage, Riveria was keeping up in speed and working in perfect unison with the prum and dwarf in close-range combat. She’d always had more skills and tact than anyone else, working with Finn to nip Levis’s counterattacks in the bud while Gareth’s top-tier strength made up for their lack of power
These three had fought together longer than any other team. That was the reason they were called the strongest fighting force in Loki Familia.
“—Harbinger of the end, white snow!”
“—Rg?!” Levis’s shoulders trembled as Riveria decisively started Concurrent Casting while attacking with her staff.
As the creature acted cautiously, wary of the blast that had stolen her arm, Gareth stepped in, seizing the advantage.
"Yer full o’ openings!”
“Guh?!”
His battle-ax swung up, hitting the side of her cursed sword, just barely managing to block it. Levis’s body was knocked back in an arc as her sword shattered, landing some distance away from them.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Self-Denial

Lefiya's Rea Laevateinn is implied to be capable of hurting Level 7 Revis
“Rea Laevateinn!!”
A pillar of hellfire shot up from the floor, rising to the ceiling.
“OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!”
A hellish inferno emerged. In an instant, the web of passages was overwhelmed by the columns of flame, which blasted everything inside its field of magic with a blistering heat wave. The first to rise were the screams of the vibrantly colored monsters, followed by the fearful cries of the Evils. Though the Xenos weren’t targeted by this attack, they screeched, enveloped by the aftermath and dashing away from it.
“Tch—?!” Levis covered her face with her arms, retreating at an inhuman speed as the inferno shot up at her.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Self-Denial

DanMachi Volume 11

Hiyo is comparable to Wynn Fimbulvetr
With a high-pitched, birdlike screech, a wave of ice and wind materialized.
The aqua-blue ice floe swept through the black mist like the outstretched wings of some giant bird of prey. Instantaneously freezing the pavement below, its sharp beak searched for victims. The raging blizzard unleashed by the Hiyo far surpassed anything the Hien had produced. Even Gareth stared wide-eyed at the blizzard and pulled his shield from beneath his mantle, forced for the first time to take a defensive stance.
Standing protectively in front of the adventurers near him, the dwarf bore the full brunt of the raging snow and crackling ice.
“M-Mr. Gareth?!”
“…Feels about the same strength as Riveria’s magic. That did a bit of damage.”
Gareth’s entire left side, including the shield he thrust before him, was frozen solid. His beard was encrusted in ice and his face was frostbitten, but still the mighty dwarf warrior laughed fearlessly
Chapter 5: Ultra Soul!

Base Ottar is stronger than Asterius even at full power as well as Aiz w/ Ariel + Avenger
With only one arm, he would lose. No—even with two arms, he might not prevail. That’s how powerful the man before him was. More powerful than the soldiers who had made his blood boil and perhaps even more powerful than the golden-haired, golden-eyed swordswoman who had severed his arm—.
Chapter 6: A Deity's Scheme

Bell survives crashing onto the 1st floor of the Dungeon
The outstretched black arm pounded onto Bell, and for a second time he vomited blood. Asterios caught up his body and dashed toward the lofty limestone tower.
“T-take shelter!! Runnnnnn!!”
The handful of Ganesha Familia upper-class adventurers guarding the door to Babel fled as fast as they could in the face of that unrivaled, unstoppable rush.
A moment later, the minotaur crashed through the door and walls of the huge tower.
“———?!”
Still gripping Bell under his left arm, Asterios charged with overwhelming force into the grand hall on the first story of Babel. He hurled both Bell and the Labrys against the floor, which resembled an enormous stained-glass flower. The superhuman strength of the blow inflicted equal damage on Bell and the floor, which in the next instant began to cave in.
When Bell fell through the destroyed floor, he tumbled straight into the huge hole waiting in the basement. The hole that led to the Dungeon.
He fell, and fell, and fell.
Spitting blood and wrapped in a peculiar floating sensation, he was pulled to the bottom of the earth along with masses of rubble. The nighttime lights of the surface receded before his blurred vision, and the moment arrived.
Bang!!
“Oof!!”
He crashed to the first floor of the Dungeon with a deafening thud.
Chapter 7: The Return of the Hero
 
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Bell's level 4 now so I guess its time for some Aedes Vesta

Aedes Vesta Part 1

Primordial Flames is not as strong as the gods but is still essentially Demi-Arcanum
(Chapter 7: Primordial Flames)

Gods can make the Lower World vanish with their Arcanum if they want to
(Chapter 7: Primordial Flames)

Primordial Flames causing tectonic shifts that will spread across the world due to its corruption
(Chapter 7: Primordial Flames)

Primordial Flames will eventually swallow the world in flames
(Chapter 7: Primordial Flames)

Primordial Flames will destroy the world
(Chapter 31: What Her Eyes Reflected)

Ilia is the weakest while the other priestess like Minucia and Amilia are level 1-2, Rhea is level 3, they are this low leveled because they use the Primordial Flames to fight
(Omori 4th Anniversary Twitter Commentary)

Aedes Vesta Part 2

Epimetheus causes a massive earthquake that can be sensed by the people on Olympia by attacking Aphrodite Familia on a remote island
(Chapter 16: Evil Flame Intention)

Epimetheus is going to use the Contaminated Flames to destroy the world
(Chapter 16: Evil Flame Intention)

Epimetheus destroys an island using a giant flame
(Chapter 19: The Answer That Was Reached)

Epimetheus' artifact Ethos is a god created weapon and is thus capable of killing a god rather than banishing them like what happens normally when you kill them in the Lower World. The Hestia Knife is not a god created weapon btw. Only the Arrow of Orion and Ethos are confirmed to be god created weapons. God created weapons require gods to use their powers of heaven along with the sea of heaven to be created.
(Omori 4th Anniversary Twitter Commentary)

Aedes Vesta Part 3

Hestia's temple Aedes Vesta is strong enough to change the world
(Chapter 4: Opened Box)

After regaining his status and gaining the Flames of Heaven in his magic sword, Welf managed to defeat the Blacksmith's Determination that he couldn't defeat with his magic swords.
(Chapter 12: The Blacksmith That Gave Up On Becoming a Hero)

Minuncia and Amilia whom are probably the stronger priestesses at level 2 are capable of holding off Aisha and Asfi whom are level 4 when using the weakened Primordial Flames
(Chapter 14: Priestess' Cry)

After gaining the Flames of Heaven, Haruhime became strong enough to overpower Rhea who was using fragments of the Primordial Flames
(Chapter 15: Flame Beast's Roar)

Haruhime's Kokonoe once it reaches 9 tails is not limited to nine level ups. Rather its a level up that affects all of her allies within range like what Ishtar originally had hoped to do with the killing stone.
(Chapter 16: Scattering Ash Illusion)

The priestesses even using the weakened Primordial Flames cannot defeat Level 5s
(Chapter 16: Scattering Ash Illusion)

Rhea who's a level 3 using the weakened Primordial Flames can take on level 5 Aisha and Asfi at the same time
(Chapter 16: Scattering Ash Illusion)

After gaining the Flames of Heaven, Mikoto can defeat a Vesta Priestess which Ryuu had no way of defeating
(Chapter 18: Gambling Your Life On This Sword)

The Flames of Heaven boosted Hestia Familia to the point where they can tank Epimetheus' magic. In Knights of Fianna, it's shown that Epimetheus' casual flame attacks are capable of offsetting Black Balor a level 8 Monster Rex's attacks. So Flames of Heaven Amped Hestia Familia are all likely at least level 9 now.
(Chapter 20: Uncontrollable King)

You need to have demi-arcanum to face users of the Primordial Flames otherwise you're just fodder
(Chapter 20: Uncontrollable King)

Bell after gaining the new Hestia Knife which is made from the Primordial Flames is now equal to Epimetheus
(Chapter 22: Flame God's Blade)

Epimetheus after using the impure flames believes he is capable of killing the Black Dragon and also overpowered Bell
(Chapter 23: Fallen Hero's Eschatology)

Gods can also bless other gods with falna
(Chapter 25: Origin of the Oracle)

Bell's Firebolt matched Epimetheus' Caucasus after the Hestia Knife started absorbing Epimetheus' flames to weaken him
(Chapter 26: Days Cursed by the Hero)

Epimetheus has the advantage in strength over Bell
(Chapter 26: Days Cursed by the Hero)

Epimetheus' strongest attack, Elgus Pandora is a Limit Off technique like Grand Bell Argonaut. But it still lost to Grand Bell Argonaut in the end.
(Chapter 27: Hero's Memories)

And another statement of the Contaminated Flames destroying the world
(Chapter 31: Cleyera of Hidden Feelings)

Bell's Argonaut skill can amp even the powers of the gods
(Chapter 31: Cleyera of Hidden Feelings)

The Impure Flames overpowered even the Grand Bell Argo Vesta that was further boosted by Hestia herself
(Chapter 31: Cleyera of Hidden Feelings)
 
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yeah pretty much what we discussed before, Epimetheus wouldn't get direct god scaling bc of the statement regarding it not being as powerful as arcanum but the many world ending statements by both him and the gods is enough to argue for at the minimum multi cont for Epimetheus and Aedes Vesta version of Bell (I do wonder tough if you can scale Ethos itself to the gods considering it's a weapon that can kill them tough)
 
yeah pretty much what we discussed before, Epimetheus wouldn't get direct god scaling bc of the statement regarding it not being as powerful as arcanum but the many world ending statements by both him and the gods is enough to argue for at the minimum multi cont for Epimetheus and Aedes Vesta version of Bell (I do wonder tough if you can scale Ethos itself to the gods considering it's a weapon that can kill them tough)
Honestly I’m kinda iffy on scaling Epimetheus to the world ending statements now. Since it’s made very clear in Aedes Vesta that Epimetheus was far weaker than Vesta/Hestia as the whole plot of Aedes Vesta was that he wanted to steal Vesta’s power for himself to destroy the world.

And Vesta/Hestia is in turn far weaker than the Corrupted Flames if she doesn’t sacrifice her life. This is shown as Bell who was personally given all of Vesta’s power and using Grand Bell Argonaut is still inferior to the Corrupted Flames. So right now scaling for the top and god tiers is basically

Corrupted Flames > Grand Bell Argo Vesta (Amped by Vesta) >>>>> Vesta/Hestia (5-B) >>> Corrupted Flames Epimetheus >>> Primordial Flames Bell = Primordial Flames Epimetheus

Normal Argonaut can close a gap of three levels which is three order of magnitudes (10x) and Grand Bell Argonaut is at least another order of magnitude. So the gap between Vesta and the gods compared to the Corrupted Flames is a gap of 10,000x. And Epimetheus himself is far inferior to the gods as he’s only using a fraction of the flames.

So Epimetheus doesn’t have any world destroying statements. It’s the gods and the Corrupted Flames that do. Also I decided to go watch the Chinese version of Aedes Vesta as well since the English version left out a lot of translation like how Maquia is actually referring to Saving the Lower World.

But apparently in the Chinese translation, it’s made much clearer by Zeus that the combined forces of Zeus and Hera Familia together could’ve stopped Epimetheus. Here it’s said that no one was there to stop Epimetheus but in the Chinese translations it pretty much said

There is no one left who is capable of stopping Epimetheus

So Epimetheus is definitely no where near the strength of the gods as he could in fact have been defeated by non-Demi-Arcanum users. Also thinking back at it now. Omori also confirmed that Finn’s Tir Na Nog at the end of Knights of Fianna was stronger than Primordial Flames Epimetheus since he said that was the strongest attack of the Age of Heroes before Albert.

This pretty much sealing the fact that both Albert and Finn’s self-sacrificing Tir Na Nog are superior to Primordial Flames Epimetheus.
 
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Honestly I’m kinda iffy on scaling Epimetheus to the world ending statements now. Since it’s made very clear in Aedes Vesta that Epimetheus was far weaker than Vesta/Hestia as the whole plot of Aedes Vesta was that he wanted to steal Vesta’s power for himself to destroy the world.

And Vesta/Hestia is in turn far weaker than the Corrupted Flames if she doesn’t sacrifice her life. This is shown as Bell who was personally given all of Vesta’s power and using Grand Bell Argonaut is still inferior to the Corrupted Flames. So right now scaling for the top and god tiers is basically

Corrupted Flames > Grand Bell Argo Vesta (Amped by Vesta) >>>>> Vesta/Hestia (5-B) >>> Corrupted Flames Epimetheus >>> Primordial Flames Bell = Primordial Flames Epimetheus

Normal Argonaut can close a gap of three levels which is three order of magnitudes (10x) and Grand Bell Argonaut is at least another order of magnitude. So the gap between Vesta and the gods compared to the Corrupted Flames is a gap of 10,000x. And Epimetheus himself is far inferior to the gods as he’s only using a fraction of the flames.

So Epimetheus doesn’t have any world destroying statements. It’s the gods and the Corrupted Flames that do. Also I decided to go watch the Chinese version of Aedes Vesta as well since the English version left out a lot of translation like how Maquia is actually referring to Saving the Lower World.

But apparently in the Chinese translation, it’s made much clearer by Zeus that the combined forces of Zeus and Hera Familia together could’ve stopped Epimetheus. Here it’s said that no one was there to stop Epimetheus but in the Chinese translations it pretty much said

There is no one left who is capable of stopping Epimetheus

So Epimetheus is definitely no where near the strength of the gods as he could in fact have been defeated by non-Demi-Arcanum users. Also thinking back at it now. Omori also confirmed that Finn’s Tir Na Nog at the end of Knights of Fianna was stronger than Primordial Flames Epimetheus since he said that was the strongest attack of the Age of Heroes before Albert.

This pretty much sealing the fact that both Albert and Finn’s self-sacrificing Tir Na Nog are superior to Primordial Flames Epimetheus.
I find this logic weird bc narrative wise the story very much wants to say that the primordial flame is similar to the divine flame and epimetheus even says that it's weaker, but I suppose he does state that the corrupted flames would eventually kill him without Vesta so fair enough. I do want to clarify that Tir Na Nog/Albert weren't stronger than Epimetheus as while yes, Dim did defeat Balor while Epimetheus couldn't, the reason was bc it was a black variant, black monsters are immune to divine power and as such we shouldn't scale the black monsters to them as that would be more of a hax rather than attack potency, so I don't believe Dim's tir na nog should nescessarily upscale, even more so bc as far as the narrative was concerned, Dim was going to die if Epimetheus didn't show up so it wouldn't make sense regardless

Albert is a bit more resonable ig? he managed to at least fight on par with and even scare the black dragon away while the zeus and hera familia didn't do anything against the same dragon, and if they can defeat Epimetheus when all together then maybe? (tough I don't recall where it was stated but I believe there is a different statement about the black dragon getting stronger over the past thousand years so there's that to consider)
 
I find this logic weird bc narrative wise the story very much wants to say that the primordial flame is similar to the divine flame and epimetheus even says that it's weaker, but I suppose he does state that the corrupted flames would eventually kill him without Vesta so fair enough. I do want to clarify that Tir Na Nog/Albert weren't stronger than Epimetheus as while yes, Dim did defeat Balor while Epimetheus couldn't, the reason was bc it was a black variant, black monsters are immune to divine power and as such we shouldn't scale the black monsters to them as that would be more of a hax rather than attack potency, so I don't believe Dim's tir na nog should nescessarily upscale, even more so bc as far as the narrative was concerned, Dim was going to die if Epimetheus didn't show up so it wouldn't make sense regardless

Albert is a bit more resonable ig? he managed to at least fight on par with and even scare the black dragon away while the zeus and hera familia didn't do anything against the same dragon, and if they can defeat Epimetheus when all together then maybe? (tough I don't recall where it was stated but I believe there is a different statement about the black dragon getting stronger over the past thousand years so there's that to consider)
Thing is Epimetheus only uses a fraction of the flames and not the whole thing. Hence why he needs to take Vesta’s power to actually be strong enough to destroy the world. Not to mention it’s shown that the Corrupted Flames are way stronger than the Primordial Flames.

Yeah Epimetheus couldn’t defeat Black Balor as it was immune to Arcanum. But Omori still states that Tir Na Nog was power wise the most powerful thing prior to Albert when Epimetheus has already appeared. So scaling wise in terms of power

Albert > Tir Na Nog > Primordial Flames Epimetheus

Also nothing contradicts Dim’s final Tir Na Nog which is literally a move that sacrifices his life being stronger than Primordial Flames Epimetheus who didn’t even use his magic during the battle. All this means is that Dim’s one ultimate move is above Base Epimetheus.
 
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But yeah I'll make a full scaling and a rough guess of what the various characters would be. I'm pretty sure either way even without the world ending statements Primordial Flames Epimetheus, the Three Greats Quests, and the Level 9s would still be somewhere around the tier 6 range from I'd say High 6-B to High 6-A.

Like just the Titan Alm Demi Spirit's Fire Storm alone will probably be somewhere around 6-B once we get the size of Orario using the Knossos Six Spirit Ring as a base. And there's also Behemoth Alternative's ground to sky super thick storm cloud that's like far larger than Orario as just one of its super large twister which doesn't even come close to the storm in size is stated to be large enough to destroy Orario. And storm calcs usually generate a rather high AP value.

So either way with or without the world destroying statements the top tiers (Level 7-10) should still be around the tier 6 range if not reaching the lower end of tier 5 (5-C) via multipliers. So we shouldn't really have to worry about them being too low tiered without those statements.

Anyways gonna go continue the novels in the meantime now. Gonna try and finish FM12-14 today if possible.
 
man, discussing this series with people new to it is gonna be hell bc we have to use so many non canon stories to justify the scaling to certain things, like we as fans know that even non canon stories usually offer canon information regarding characters/how powerful they are and rarely does the fact that it's non canon changes that they are this and that strong bc Omori writes these non canon stories as more so "what if the character was in this situation" rather than "what if the character was this strong", but usually for people in vs, using non canon stuff so heavily is cause for discourse
 
man, discussing this series with people new to it is gonna be hell bc we have to use so many non canon stories to justify the scaling to certain things, like we as fans know that even non canon stories usually offer canon information regarding characters/how powerful they are and rarely does the fact that it's non canon changes that they are this and that strong bc Omori writes these non canon stories as more so "what if the character was in this situation" rather than "what if the character was this strong", but usually for people in vs, using non canon stuff so heavily is cause for discourse
Honestly, if the Fire Storm feat is higher than everything else than we won’t need to use any non-canon stuff to justify the tiers. Outside of the gods being 5-B with their arcanum that is as those statements only came from Arrow of Orion and Aedes Vesta.

Though like you said rather than non-canon it’s more like these are what ifs that the author made. Like Aedes Vesta occurred because Epimetheus didn’t choose to accept Navis, Orna, and Feena’s offer to help out the ancient heroes to reach the Great Hole in Knights of Fianna thousands of years ago.

Not to mention Omori unlike other authors constantly gives exposition and tells us what is canon on Twitter. And he’s clearly told us that the lore from all these various stories are canon. Just that the events themselves aren’t canon.
 
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DanMachi Volume 12

Asterius is designated as a level 7 monster
The Guild had determined that the potential of the black minotaur— officially, it had been designated a subspecies of black rhino, a creature found in the deep levels—was Level 7. They’d recorded it as a first-class bounty monster based on the fact that during its rampage through the city, it had fought numerous adventurers, including some members of Loki Familia, making it as dangerous as a Monster Rex.
Chapter 1: Rabbit Close-Up

Takemikazuchi can easily defeat level 2s and even keep up with level 5s using pure skills despite having his Arcanum sealed
“Yaaa!!”
An earsplitting shout echoed across the blue sky.
The god of combat used his hand to easily deflect the sharp kick that the girl had sent flying toward his face.
“You’re still weak.”
“Oof?!”
“M-Mikoto!”
Mikoto and Chigusa, who had both been thrown to the ground, huddled together. After parrying the Level-2, third-tier adventurer’s high kick, Takemikazuchi looked down on the two girls as he wiped sweat from his brow.
Using his defensive skills, superhuman martial arts, eerily perceptive decision-making ability, and observational skills, Takemikazuchi led his opponents in the direction he desired. Alone, his combat skills exceeded those of a first-tier adventurer. His abilities were nothing short of godly, much like the supreme metalsmithing skills of Hephaistos, which no mortal smith could approach.
Chapter 2: Adventure Intermission

Firebolt increased in speed once Bell reached level 4. Whether or not it also increased in speed in the earlier levels is unclear though. I only recall the novels stating it got stronger but not faster.
“Firebolt!”
Two deadly hornets burst into fragments as two shots of electrified flames drilled into them.
Thanks to Bell’s recent level-up, the firepower and speed of his Swift-Strike Magic attack had been boosted. The monsters had no time to dodge. As gravity pulled Bell back to the ground, motes of fire fell around him.
Chapter 2: Adventure Intermission

Water City Info
The Great Falls.
As the name implies, it’s an enormous cascade that starts on the twenty-fifth floor. Judging by eye, it measures about four hundred meders wide and easily as many tall. Perhaps because of the reflected light, the falling water appears to be emerald blue. It’s so entrancingly beautiful that for a moment, it makes us forget we’re in a dangerous dungeon.
At the same time that I feel moved by the sight, however, I’m also shivering in awe—terrified awe. Directly below the crystal cliff we’re standing on is a huge plunge pool. Even a first-class adventurer would die instantly if they fell down there. But what really makes me question my eyes is the fact that the waterfall continues on past the pool.
Just like a staircase, the falls continue on below the twenty-fifth floor.
“This insanely huge waterfall crosses floors and reaches all the way down to the twenty-sixth and twenty-seventh floors. Oh, don’t worry, monsters don’t climb up the falls. Well, most don’t,” Aisha explains. Ouka and Chigusa gasp.
A waterfall that transcends floors. In the parts of the Dungeon I’ve explored so far, that would have been completely unthinkable. It’s said that adventurers will constantly watch their common sense torn to shreds. This must be an example of what that really means.
The gaping cavern behind the falls must be a quarter the size of the nineteenth floor.
“How do we get to the twenty-sixth floor…? Don’t tell me we’re gonna climb down the cliff,” Welf groans.
“No, there’s a proper path. Tons of slopes and staircases, too. You take them down to that cave over there.”
Aisha points to the bank of the plunge pool on the bottom of the twenty-fifth floor. Although it looks tiny from here, there’s definitely a cave with a yawning entryway down there.
The twenty-fifth through twenty-seventh floors have a multistory structure. We have to ascend or descend a distance equal to the height of the Great Falls using the interconnecting passageways at the depth of the plunge pools. If we were to jump over the falls, we could probably make it to the twenty-seventh floor in a single leap, but it doesn’t require much to understand that our bodies would be smashed to bits at the same time.
Unlike Lilly, Daphne, and the others who are staring downward, I look up.
The Great Falls pour out from the vicinity of the twenty-fifth floor’s ceiling. Right above the top of the falls, I can see traces of the Colossal Tree Labyrinth: The roots of an enormous tree measuring five meders in diameter radiate outward.
The sheer cliff we’re standing on is located at the far southern tip of this floor, at the end of the connecting passageway from the twenty-fourth floor. The cavern and Great Falls directly in front of us are in the center of the floor. The passageway to the twenty-sixth floor that Aisha pointed out a minute ago is on the southeast side. Like she said, we’ll head west along the wall of the cavern and enter the inside of the cliff via the cave. From there we’ll move in a circle from west to north, passing behind the waterfall, and then east to the underground connecting passageway at the bottom of this floor. In other words, we’ll move clockwise from the south to the southeast.
We head along the cliff trail with me leading the party.
The trail is about three meders wide. To the left is the wall and to the right is a sheer drop. I’m sure Cassandra is avoiding looking to the right at all costs. In the area around the Great Falls, harpies and other bird-type monsters swim through the air, crying and screeching. Luckily, they don’t seem to have noticed us yet. Fighting on this narrow path is not something I want to do, so it does seem wise to get into the labyrinth as quickly as we can. If we’re attacked by flying monsters, our only options will be to respond with arrows and magic or to hunker down beneath our shields.
Chapter 3: New World ~Water Island~

The Irregular Moss Huge is believed to be superior to the Bloodstained Troll which is equivalent to a level 5
“That monster is a bad one. It’s discovered efficiency, and that’s probably why it’s so much stronger than any of the enhanced species I’ve met before… even stronger than The Bloodstained Troll.”
Ouka and the others change colors as they listen to Luvis’s urgent appeal, but Cassandra lifts her face.
“The Bloodstained Troll, I’ve heard of that…”
“…Yeah, it’s the enhanced monster that was wreaking total havoc for the past ten years. By the time the Guild confirmed its existence, scads of upperclass adventurers had already been killed. Even the elite group of second-tier and higher adventurers dispatched to conquer it were instead attacked themselves. I heard that more than fifty people died…” Aisha says.
“F-fifty…A-and what happened in the end?”
“The Guild went crying to Freya Familia and they took it down. I heard from them that it was at least the equivalent of a Level Five…”
Chapter 4: A Hunter At The Water's Edge

The Irregular Moss Huge is in reality slightly stronger than a new level 4 Bell who hasn't adjusted to his strength. It's just more dangerous due to its intelligence and abilities
“—Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!”
The boy charged forward gripping two knives.
Fast. Fast. Fast.
One after the next, the black and white blades flew at him, trying to gouge into his body.
But—he was still just the slightest bit stronger than the human.
“?!”
He ignored the blades digging into him and swung his fist down.
Instantly the boy dodged, tumbling onto the floor. The gouge where the moss had flown off his body quickly filled back in.
His body was convenient. It regenerated itself. The more magic stones he devoured, the more his cells multiplied.
When the human stood up, he had an astonished expression on his face. Right away the boy charged again with a speed and force that was less like a rabbit than a wild horse. At least, that was how it looked to him, and he had hunted countless humans.
Chapter 4: A Hunter At The Water's Edge

A new unadjusted Level 4 Bell is above the average level 4 and stronger than Aisha who's already among the stronger level 4s. And speed wise he's already at the top of level 4.
“That kid’s status is weird. He’s already above average for a Level Four, and in terms of speed and agility, he’s practically at the very top. I don’t know how much potential he had already saved up, of course.”
In other words, Bell was way above the minimum level required for the twenty-fifth floor. Aisha snorted before continuing in a disgruntled tone.
“Bell Cranell is stronger than I am. Not that I want to put that to the test.”
Chapter 5: Bride Of The Water Capital

More Water City Info
I think I fell from somewhere near the middle of the falls. Given that I was carried over the edge by a stream running through the multilayered labyrinth inside the cliff, that would make sense. If I’d fallen from the very top of the falls up by the roof of this floor…even my Level-4 body would probably have been smashed to pieces.
A shiver runs down my neck as I stand up and look around.
The plunge pool is as big as a lake. It fills about half the huge cavern, and the deep-blue color of the area directly under the falls hints at its depth. Water droplets dance ceaselessly at the base, sending up a white mist. The roar of the falls is so powerful I’m worried my eardrums will burst. About a hundred meders south of the plunge pool is the top of another waterfall leading to the twenty-sixth floor. If I was to fall over that one, there’s no way I’d survive again.
Chapter 5: Bride Of The Water Capital

The Irregular Moss Huge reached level 5 and could pose a threat to level 5 Aisha after consuming hundreds of magic stones from other monsters
Even with the level boost, she knew this intense power would be a heavy challenge for her. Intoxicated by its own sense of omnipotence, the enhanced species let out a roar of joy that resembled the groan of a broken music box. As it pumped its fist into the air, rootlike spikes burst out from the wooden frame.
Aisha understood now what had happened. The enhanced species had greedily devoured the magic stones of every single monster they had slaughtered on the way here.
It had taken in the cores of dozens, or even hundreds, of monsters.
Just how far…?
Just how far would it go to undermine their predictions?
At this point, all she could do was acknowledge the trickery and monster’s cunning she had underestimated before.
Drops of sweat flew from Aisha’s face.
For an instant she was overtaken by hesitation and anxiety, and that instant left her vulnerable to attack.
She had been thinking that in terms of status, the odds were still in her favor. That she could still make a comeback.
At precisely that moment, the moss huge stretched its neck out like a dragon.
“…?!”
It grabbed Aisha’s brown shoulder and sank its fangs into the base of her neck.
Her flesh tore, her bones shattered, and blood spurted into the air.
Lilly and Welf sensed something strange was happening and turned toward her at the same moment. What they saw left them speechless.
“—!”
Aisha glared angrily at the monster as blood spilled from her mouth.
With all her strength, she slammed her fist into her enemy’s chin, pushing it away with her flesh still in its mouth. She added to its backward momentum by landing a spinning kick on it, sending it staggering away.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

The Irregular Moss Huge survived Welf's magic sword due to the Undine Cloth
“Huh?!” Welf said, watching in astonishment.
“It’s resisting Mr. Welf’s magic sword!” Lilly yelled.
The enhanced species slowly raised its head as burning moss peeled off its body. As the moss fell to the ground, a shiny blue material came into view underneath.
“Could that be…Undine cloth?!” Lilly asked.
“Don’t tell me it took it off a dead adventurer!” Welf muttered.
Mikoto, Ouka, Daphne, and Cassandra could not believe their eyes, either. The cloth was stretched to the point of tearing in order to wrap around the huge body, but there was no doubt about it—it was spirit protective cloth. As Welf had guessed, the monster had fixated on the need to address its single weak point—fire—and had stolen the cloth from the corpses of adventurers.
“Of all the lousy coincidences…!”
Welf drew his eyebrows together as he looked at the monster’s garment. A family that carried the blood of a spirit in its ancestral line made Crozzo Magic Swords. They were, in other words, spirit magic swords. A spirit was involved with the protective cloth, as well. The energy of the two spirits coming together seemed to have set off an extreme reaction.
Furthermore, Kouga belonged to the flame class of magic swords. It carried the power of salamander, the fire spirit. Undine cloth, on the other hand, was imbued with the power of water. Their compatibility was extremely poor, and they had canceled each other out.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

Max Charge Argonaut Firebolt heavily injured the Irregular Moss Huge even with the Undine Cloth resistance after it had one shot the monster horde
No sooner had she done so than Bell appeared on the battleground, bell ringing, launched himself off the ground with a powerful stomp, and thrust out his right arm.
He had been charging for four minutes, a full charge.
He aimed for everything he could see and shouted at the top of his lungs.
“FIREBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLT!!”
A giant bolt of flame.
“—”
As soon as the Amazon disappeared from its field of vision, the enhanced species saw the burning red jaws.
The other monsters had pounced on the hole and sunk their claws into the black robe, only to be incinerated in the next moment by the Firebolt.
The deadly stream of fire that washed down the passageway swallowed the entire horde.
“O—OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!”
As the burning monsters howled, the enhanced species—which had also been swallowed up in the surge of flames—was thrown far down the passage with a force like a river overflowing its banks. It had avoided immolation thanks to the spirit protective cloth, but together with the rush of crimson fire, it was hurled against the wall at the end of the passage.
The crystal wall exploded into fragments, and the horizontal column of flame raged on through the Dungeon.
The enhanced species was burned all over its body. It fell through the broken wall into the large room on the other side, and it collapsed onto its back.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

Room in the Water City
Bell stood on the rim of the hole he had blasted open with the Firebolt, looking down on the scene before him.
It was a peaceful, watery room. Water covered more than half the large space, and in the center there was a mass of crystal fifty meders in diameter. It looked like an island floating in a large lake. He did not see any monsters. None, that is, except the enhanced species that stood in the center of the island, taking him in with a gaze full of murderous intent.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

Bell has been fighting unadjusted to his level 4 container this whole time
“…Isn’t Bell Cranell moving faster than the last time we saw him?” Ouka said from beside her, lowering his voice in terror. In his arms, Chigusa opened her eyes a tiny bit in surprise.
Only Mikoto, standing next to the group, broke into a cold sweat.
No way…
There was something familiar about the feeling that came over her as she registered the difference between Bell now and Bell when he was last with the party.
It wasn’t that he was moving faster. It was that his movements had much more vitality to them now.
Kind of like when Haruhime gives us the level boosts…
Mikoto cleared her throat, conscious of the weight of the renart on her shoulder.
When Mikoto received level boosts, she often felt like her body was out of control. Her mind was not able to keep up with the suddenly increased power emanating from her physical body.
What if Bell had been in the same situation before he separated from the group?
What if his mind and body had been out of sync?
That happened when the drastic physical changes that occurred when one leveled up outpaced the sensations produced by the mind.
A shiver ran down Mikoto’s spine.
So all this time, Sir Bell has been—
Probably, first-tier adventurers were able to bring their mind and body into sync after one major battle. But Bell was still immature—and more importantly, his rate of growth was insanely fast. Even more so than an ordinary person, his mind couldn’t keep up with his body.
But what if his experience in the lower levels had finally taken care of the problem?
Mikoto’s violet eyes widened as she watched the boy toss his opponent about between his knives. She thought back to something Takemikazuchi had said when he was training her before the expedition.
Were you fighting with your body and your mind out of sync?
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

Confirmed by Bell who after adjusting was now matching the enhanced Irregular Moss Huge who was on par with level 5 Aisha in combat. The Moss Huge was still stronger and tougher than Bell but it was far slower.
Mikoto was right.
My body is working better than before. Bell realized it in the midst of fighting the monster. His body was following the exact track his mind laid down. The lags in his attacks, defense, and retreat—so small before that he wouldn’t even notice them without a conscious effort—were gone now.
The sensations inside his body were clearer than ever before.
That uneasy feeling is gone.
Strangely enough, the grand battle with the iguaçu—those creatures who put their very lives at risk to dive-bomb him—had brought his mind and body into alignment.
Now that his body was fully under his control, it seemed obvious. He could see just how much the vessel of his physical being had been throwing him around, even when he first arrived in the lower levels and even during his first fight with the enhanced species.
Now his body was working how he wanted it to, as if all the gears had finally clicked into place. He was able to meet his opponent’s movements.
“OO, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!”
He could see the uneasiness rising in the enhanced species’ eyes as it took in this new Bell, who fought in a completely different way than he had in their last encounter.
The superhuman strength that crushed the crystal ground underfoot didn’t even make a scratch on the boy. The tree roots, which extended from the monster’s legs into the ground and then up again for a sneak attack, were severed before they could do their work. The attacks that had tormented so many adventurers in the past had no effect.
The monster roared, as if to chase away its uneasiness. Then bumps rose all over its body. Facing Bell at close range, it fired a hail of seed bullets at him.
They’re not as fast as the iguaçu!!
Bell did not lose his composure. Compared to the terrifying crimson streaks he had encountered earlier, the seed bullets looked practically stationary
He tracked their trajectories, and moving his arms so fast they appeared to blur, he slashed down every last one with his knives.
“…!!”
The astonished monster had no time to regain its footing before Bell launched into a powerful slashing attack.
“GUO?!”
In response, the moss huge unleashed a counterattack fueled by its fighting spirit and superhuman strength. Blows nourished by the lives of countless of his own brethren rocked the scratched dir-adamantite armor covering Bell’s body. This time they inflicted real harm.
The monster was the stronger of the two, and it had greater defensive abilities.
In all likelihood, Bell could not match its overall potential.
But Bell was faster.
Now that his mind and body were fully linked, his true ability gave him an advantage on the battlefield.
Even more importantly—
He’s slow!
The enemy standing before him was incredibly sluggish.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

60 second charge Argo vesta one shot the level 5 Irregular Moss Huge
The bell had chimed for sixty seconds.
The sacred letters carved into the blade threw off a brilliant light and released the roaring sound of fire.
“Argo Vesta!”
Just before it happened, as crimson and pure-white light filled the world, something occurred to him.
If I’m reborn…
I’ll never, ever go near a white rabbit again.
That was his final thought before his consciousness exploded into a million pieces.
Chapter 6: The Hero's Sacred Flame

DanMachi Volume 13

Amphisbaena is rated as level 6 but that's only due to the terrain. In reality its strength is only around level 5.
“The Amphisbaena is a lower-level floor boss, right? I’m sure I heard that it appears on the twenty-seventh floor,” Welf said.
“Lady Aisha, did you ever fight one when you were with Ishtar Familia?” Mikoto asked.
“Yeah. They’re stronger than Goliath for sure. The Guild rates them at Level Six because they live in the water, but their raw ability is closer to a Five. If we encountered one with this many upper-class adventurers in our group, we’d be able to take it down,” she answered.
Chapter 2: The Prophetess of Tragedy

Something (likely Ryuu's magic) shakes the Water Capital (Floors 25-27)
“Whoa…Another explosion!”
“Is Gale Wind on a rampage?”
“The shock waves are coming from farther below…Could the source be the twenty-seventh floor?”
The Water Capital began on the twenty-fifth floor and continued to the twenty-seventh, with the Great Falls connecting all three floors. On each of these floors, a massive cavern contained the falls and a plunge pool as huge as a lake. Far, far below the cliff’s edge where they stood now was the end point on the twenty-seventh floor. Surrounded by adventurers, Bors squinted down at it with his right eye, the one without the patch.
Chapter 2: The Prophetess of Tragedy

Light quartz shoots beams of light that Bell who has level 5 speed could dodge and deflect them
“Shit, it’s a light quartz!”
“!”
A second later, I’m whipping my head around in response to Bors’s yell from behind me.
Several purple crystal forms about the size and shape of bucklers are floating in the passageway, which is around five meders tall. In the center of each one is a single pale-yellow organ that appears to be an eye.
Light quartzes are inorganic monsters that float about adventurers’ heads, and as their crystalline outer appearance would suggest, they have no means of engaging in close combat. Instead, their single but extremely menacing means of attack is to shoot out beams of light!
“!”
“Ack!” We leap back in unison as a light quartz shoots a narrow beam. The amber ray of light burns a line into the Dungeon’s crystal floor and walls as it passes over them. Bors and the others scramble for shelter. Then they wait for their chance. The typical way to defeat a light quartz is to get it to emit all its power, then attack it while it’s recharging. And indeed, no approach could be more correct.
But me—I fly right into the gushing beams of light.
I think I’ll try something else first.
Obeying the voice in the back of my mind, which is almost like a flash of inspiration, I put my right hand on the scarf around my neck.
The next instant, I’ve ripped it off and am swinging it through the air like a weapon.
It’s sure heavy enough!
I’m wielding it like a whip, or rather a chain.
It blocks and repels the beams from multiple light quartzes before crashing straight into them!
Chapter 3: The True Intentions of Gale Wind

Lambton size
“A lambton…!”
The long, massive serpent is an extreme large-category monster, definitely imposing enough to be a floor boss. It measures around five meders high and at least ten long.
Chapter 3: The True Intentions of Gale Wind

Lambton shakes the entire 27th floor which is larger than the 24th floor which is half the size of Orario
Its head draws a ten-meder-high arc through space. Its long body follows, swimming through the air with flashes of deep blue. I’m captivated for a moment by the fantastic sight, monster or not. Time seems to slow down. Even as it does, though, my instincts are screaming out a warning.
The body twists, and slowly the menacing form is drawn downward by gravity. A black shadow blocks out the white crystal lights on the ceiling, darkening the spot where I stand.
I look up in shock as the serpent’s huge body spins downward toward me.
“Run, Mr. Cranell!”
Lyu’s voice pushes me into motion, and I rush away from the falling form with all my strength.
“—————————!!”
The room—no, more likely the entire Dungeon—shakes with a thundering crash as the lambton smashes onto the floor where I was standing a second before.
Chapter 4: Countdown

The lambton Bell and Ryuu faced is an enhanced species that is stronger than the normal level 4 Lambton
“As I suspected, Jura’s been feeding this monster magic stones to enhance it…”
Chapter 4: Countdown

The 27th floor Juggernaut is faster than even Level 4 bell
He didn’t even have a chance to react.
By the time he whipped his head around, one member of Bors’s party was missing.
Gripped by terror, still not understanding what had happened, he scanned the room behind him.
Nothing was there.
“Aa…Aaaa…”
Like a giant spider, it clung there gripping the joint between the wall and the ceiling.
The ill-fated missing adventurer was clenched between its jaws.
It was above him.
Chapter 5: Calamity Arrives

The 27th floor juggernaut is comparable to Bell but has weak defenses
The boy swung his greatsword, and the monster swiped its left forearm.
The whining metal sent fragments of the enemy’s armored shell flying into the air. Bell staggered from the Juggernaut’s brute strength, yet even as he dripped sweat at the thought of its overwhelming force, he had discovered a point of attack.
Its defenses are weak!
His opponent’s shell had cracked under a single blow, and a faint fissure had run down its thin arm.
An instant of battle was enough for Bell to understand. To the extent that the monster’s strength and speed had evolved far beyond ordinary limits, its endurance in the face of attack had declined.
Whoever struck first would win!
Chapter 5: Calamity Arrives

And is far stronger than Ryuu
Stumbling repeatedly over himself, he was making no progress whatsoever. To protect him, Lyu—her face covered in a gory makeup of blood—took the brunt of the Juggernaut’s attack herself.
“!!”
“Oof!”
Its long tail beat against her legs.
Although it lacked the menace of the claws, the hard appendage covered in its black and purplish-blue shell was no different from a cudgel.
Lyu’s right leg, encased in its long boot, snapped like a twig under the blow. Her shinbone let out a dry popping sound as she flew into the air.
Chapter 5: Calamity Arrives

27th Floor Juggernaut is both faster and stronger than Bell
It’s just like I suspected.
As his wounds spurted fresh blood, Bell squinted at his opponent.
He’s faster than I am.
He was not only stronger but also quicker. Compared to the Juggernaut, everything about Bell was inferior. In the past, no matter how much higher his opponent’s level had been, Bell had always had the upper hand in terms of speed and agility. Now even that advantage was gone.
Chapter 5: Calamity Arrives

The 27th Floor Juggernaut is stronger than the Black Goliath in terms of pure strength but far weaker in terms of durability. It's also potentially faster and stronger than the heavily weakened Asterius who lost an arm.
If he had been asked to compare the Black Goliath and the Juggernaut, Bell honestly wouldn’t have been able to say which was superior.
Comparing them was meaningless.
They worked in entirely different ways.
The Goliath had an extraordinary ability to suppress armies, while the Juggernaut was a slaughterer who excelled in inflicting deadly damage on individual adventurers. In terms of getting the job done with a single weapon, the claws of destruction most likely outdid the Goliath’s hammer and howl.
On the other hand, in terms of ability to endure attacks, the Juggernaut couldn’t hold a candle to the floor boss.
This monster was best able to exercise its full potential—its highly developed strength, speed, and ability to kill—not in a wide-open room but in the passageways and other closed-in spaces of the Dungeon. This made it the ideal apostle of murder, designed solely to wipe out “viruses” that damaged the Dungeon.
Is it even faster than my greatest rival?
There was the fierce, swift speed of its attacks and the constant vibrating shock waves that made his feet and hands go numb.
In a corner of Bell’s burning mind, fragments of logic compared the beast he faced now to the black minotaur.
In terms of destructive power, the Juggernaut was superior because of its claws.
But perhaps Asterios was the victor when it came to physical strength?
That time, the massive bull had been on the verge of death. His true strength was probably much greater—
Chapter 5: Calamity Arrives

Upper-class adventurers can resist acids and the resistance gets higher the more they level up
Had they been ordinary people, they would long ago have melted together into a single amiable puddle in the monster’s gut.
But they were not ordinary people. They were upper-class adventurers who had been elevated three times to a higher level. They had been able to withstand the bath of powerful stomach acid.
Chapter 6: And So They Spin Their Cruel Fate

DanMachi Volume 14

Amphisbaena violently shakes the entire Water Capital and cracked the wall with a massive tsunami which level 2s and 3s can survive
The moment Welf’s scream ended, the floor boss plunged into the center of the lake.
The root dome exploded with an impact that seemed to shatter the earth itself.
Not only the twenty-fifth floor but the entire Water Capital shook as a mass of debris—incomparably more than what had fallen from the colossal tree earlier—hurtled to the ground.
The impact sent up a tsunami that overturned everything resembling an island of ice.
Aisha and everyone else who had narrowly escaped the dragon’s body slam were thrown into the water.
As the tsunami reached the shore, it swept the rear guard up and threw them against the wall.
Even the blue flames that had been flickering on the shore and water were swallowed by the violent waves and drowned in the frothing water.
Like wine overflowing from a glass, emerald blue water poured into the twenty-sixth floor without slowing down.
The tremors opened an alarming lattice of cracks across the entire cavern.
Chapter 7: Poem of Despair, Poem of Triumph

Amphisbaena's mist can weaken Hiyo, a magic sword that is comparable to a level 7's magic down to level 5
“Hiyo!!”
A missile of ice shot forward.
The battle cry of the magic blade quenched the blue flames as it raced ahead, leaving countless icicles in its wake.
“HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!”
The Amphisbaena interpreted this action as a threat. Its right head exhaled a powerful gust of crimson mist. A storm of billowing snow met a flood of mist. Azure battled crimson.
Welf squinted as more cracks spread through the magic blade.
Finally, the ice broke through the mist and froze part of the dragon’s body. The dragon narrowed its eyes and prepared to unleash its counterattack of flames from the other head.
Chapter 7: Poem of Despair, Poem of Triumph

Welf's unbreakable magic sword, Shikou Kazuki, is more powerful than his old magic swords such as Hiyo which would make it a level 7 magic sword
He swung Shikou Kazuki through the air. It spit out a dramatic tongue of dancing flame that burned the entire swarm to a crisp.
“He did it again…!”
“Seems a lot stronger than his old blades!”
Cassandra and Daphne stared in shock at the vista of decimated enemies. That’s how unprecedented the war cry of this new magic sword was. Aisha smiled to herself, a storm of sparks flowing around her as she took on the monsters popping up from side tunnels while Welf handled the main route.
A magic blade that never shatters…! He’s crafted us quite the weapon, hasn’t he?!
Chapter 8: The Voice of the Hammer

Once again the 37th floor is big enough to fit all of Orario in it
It goes without saying that the lower you get in the Dungeon, the bigger the floors are. The thirty-seventh floor is big enough to hold all of Orario. Rather than going down two floors, it will take much less energy to go back to the lower levels. We can’t use the hard-labor approach of heading for a safety point on a lower level, like we did as a strategy of last resort that time in the middle levels. To start with, that stunt relies on a maze structure resembling a vertical channel.
Chapter 9: Hello, Deep Levels

More White Palace Info
The White Palace.
That is what the thirty-seventh floor is called. The walls are a strange milky white and the scale of the maze is infinitely grander than the floors I’ve been to before. All the passageways and rooms are huge, easily ten meders across in most places. The ceilings are no joke, either, although I can’t see how high they are thanks to the darkness.
The Ring Walls are especially distinctive.
In the center of the floor there’s a staircase leading to the next floor, and five rings resembling huge castle walls surround it as if to protect the imperial throne of the staircase. This layout doesn’t exist on any other floor. Adventurers must make their way through the intricate mazes between the walls, or else go up and down countless times as they head for the central staircase.
I wasn’t exaggerating when I said all of Orario could fit in here.
Chapter 10: The White Magic Palace

Even more Floor 37 info
“Mr. Cranell, do you have a general picture of the thirty-seventh floor?”
Lyu cuts into my silence with a question of her own. I nod, mentally unfurling the map of the deep levels that I received permission to view with Eina.
The perfect analogy for the thirty-seventh floor is a box with a round cake inside.
The box is the floor itself, and the cake is the maze—that is, the White Palace where we currently are. The palace is made up of the five Ring Walls. The walls are numbered, starting with the First Wall in the center, the Second Wall beyond that, and so on. The mazes between the walls have names, too.
The centermost area inside the First wall is called the Throne Zone, and that’s where floor bosses appear. Moving out from there is the Knight Zone, the Warrior Zone, the Soldier Zone, and the Beast Zone. Despite these names, there isn’t a big difference in the type of monster likely to appear in each part of the maze. However, since the area grows smaller and the maze more intricate as you move inward, the number of encounters and surprise attacks also naturally increases. In addition, data suggests that battles are more intermittent in the outer rings, although that isn’t necessarily the case since monsters can move from one area of the maze to another.
The all-important staircase to the thirty-sixth floor is outside the Fifth Wall, on the far southern tip of the “box.” In other words, we have to get out of the White Palace.
On the route we plan to take, there’s no chance we’ll run into the floor boss at the center of the maze. That’s the one saving grace in our current horrible situation. If we had to take on a floor boss, well…I might lose heart altogether.
“This is…”
We run into a number of monsters wandering the maze, and I fight them according to Lyu’s instructions. We’re still not on the route the other adventurers had noted on the map. Eventually, we enter an open space. An enormous wall towers before us.
“…A Ring Wall.”
Even without having seen the real thing before, I know at a glance what it is.
Within the milky tint of the maze, the curved wall is a pure, unclouded white. You could easily mistake it for clear ice—no, for white crystal. It looks a bit like the Great Wall of Sorrows on the seventeenth floor, where the Goliath appears, although this one is incomparably bigger.
The wall extends as far as I can see to the left and right. It’s so perfectly uniform it hardly seems like a natural structure. Because of the darkness, I can’t tell how high it is. But I’m sure that if I searched all the countries in the world, I would never find a castle wall this monumental.
“…No question about it, this is the Third Wall.”
Chapter 10: The White Magic Palace

Juggernaut’s strength varying depending on the floor
Perhaps their whole self could be thought of as one enormous magic stone. Their unparalleled strength and agility were products of this. Their potential varied according to the zone on which they emerged; the deeper the floor, the stronger the individual. Some were so strong they could wipe out a whole familia like Astrea Familia, or crush a whole party of first-tier adventurers. Even if a Juggernaut lost its head in battle or was pierced through the chest, it would continue to destroy. Only when its entire body was crushed would its life finally come to an end.
Chapter 11: Where The Will To Kill Leads

Bell’s Hakugen can absorb and counteract poison
“The knife is stained black…It can’t have…?!”
The sparkling white knife he had sunk into his left shoulder was covered in black liquid.
It was Hakugen, the longknife Welf had made from unicorn horn, a rare drop item. The horn was prized for use in recovery-type items, and had the ability to neutralize many different poisons. It would be logical to expect, then, that Hakugen had antidote properties. Bell had remembered the origins of his knife and swiftly stabbed it into his wound.
Sure enough, the unicorn-horn knife sucked the black poison from Bell’s wound. The sooty black particles gathered at the center of the blade and eventually melted away, purified. As they did, the pain receded from Bell’s body like a wave, reversing his hurtle toward death.
When the knife had finally drawn away all the poison, it glinted in the darkness, having returned to its original sparkling white state.
Chapter 12: Forlorn Hope In The Dungeon

The Colosseum Info
He was facing an enormous room.
But it was clearly different from the rooms in other areas of the floor.
To start with, there was a gulf of fifty meders between where Bell stood at the room’s entryway and its floor. Far below, he could make out sharp rocks sticking up from the ground, packed as tightly as if an invisible army were holding their spears at the ready. The rocks covered the entire floor. A fall would mean death, even for an upper-tier adventurer.
The sole path across the room was a long bridge that began immediately in front of Bell. It reached far into the dim center of the room, where he could see some sort of large structure. Wavering shadows—most likely monsters— were circling the structure in large numbers. The chorus of battle cries that reached Bell’s ears came from more mouths than he could count, announcing a despair-inducing level of material superiority on the part of the Dungeon.
Standing beside him, Lyu stripped all emotion from her voice as she spoke.
“The Colosseum…this is a place of slaughter where monsters are spawned without limit.”
The Colosseum.
There was only one room of its type known to exist on the thirty-seventh floor.
Although the sprawling space was far larger than any other room on the floor, its exact dimensions were not known. This was because it was so dangerous adventurers had given up on measuring it.
To Bell, it looked about the same size as the cavern on the twenty-fifth floor, or perhaps larger. As elsewhere on the floor, the ceiling was hidden in the darkness, making its height impossible to judge. Air must have been circulating in the room, because a whistling sound like dry, cold wind rushing down a narrow ravine came from the distant, rocky floor. Bell trembled at the scale.
Chapter 12: Forlorn Hope In The Dungeon

Even a Juggernaut of the 30th floor’s defense is only around that of a level 4 as Kaguya is capable of stabbing into it
Just before she died, Lyra activated the explosive she held behind her back. It was one of the finest bombs the nimble-fingered girl had made.
It took the Juggernaut’s right arm.
“Heed this foolish one’s voice, and once more grant the starfire’s divine protection.”
As the monster howled, Kaguya pounced with her longsword.
Taking advantage of the momentary window Lyra had created, she drove her weapon into its chest at high speed.
Roaring in fury, the Juggernaut swung its claws horizontally through Kaguya’s body, sending her flying through the air in pieces.
Chapter 13: Beyond A Thousand Darknesses

Alize can reach level 5 with her skill + magic and is capable of restraining the Juggernaut with her body
Alize was last.
“Agris Arvensis!”
As she spoke the name of her magic, flames rose from her body.
Alize Lovell.
She had an unusual skill that gave her strength equal to that of a first-tier adventurer even though she was second-tier. The deities had given her the name Scarlett Harnell because she could use a powerful fire enchantment that sheathed her arms, legs, and sword in an armor of flames.
This time the flames had converged in her boots, and they shattered the ground as the scarlet sword princess dashed forward with ferocious speed.
“Cross the skies and sprint through the wilderness, swifter than anything.”
Kaguya had paid with her life to destroy their enemy’s knee and its reverse joint, robbing it of rapid movement. As the Juggernaut floundered in confusion, Alize drew near to her opponent for the last time in her life.
“Imbue the light of stardust and strike down my enemy.”
The Juggernaut responded with a savage swipe.
What Lyu saw was the back of her dear friend impaled by claws.
For an instant, time froze.
While Lyu was plunged into despair, Alize was burning up her life.
“!!”
She had purposely enticed the monster to pierce her so as to immobilize its hand.
With a roar, she countered by plunging her sword into its body.
“Arvellia!!”
This was the spell key for her enchantment.
Chapter 13: Beyond A Thousand Darknesses

The 37th floor is made of bedrock
As if it had been struck by a meteor, the ground where Lyu and Bell had stood an instant before shattered. Bedrock fractured, stone shards hailed down, and a brutal dust cloud swirled. They tumbled awkwardly over the ground. When he finally stopped rolling, Bell snapped his head up, dumbfounded.
Chapter 13: Beyond A Thousand Darknesses

The Chimera Juggernaut is still weaker than it originally was and is now only about as fast as a tired Bell
Aside from crushing the reverse joint in its knee, Argo Vesta had severely damaged its entire lower body, reducing its jump speed to the point that even in his depleted state Bell could follow the monster with his eyes and parry its attacks.
Chapter 13: Beyond A Thousand Darknesses
 
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