Isaac Netero vs Garou [11-10-0]

[Delusionaltx2]

I swear that if this match is open in the weekned I will make a proper argument.

That's way too long so it prob won't

 

[Drite77]

That's way too long so it prob won't

That's like, 2 days '-'.

Regardless, I believe Netero would win for some of the reasons above, none of what people said about Garou really convinced me here

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Life of King is now drowning in an indescribable emptiness

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

That's way too long so it prob won't

Well, I work and I can barely gather scans right now. So if you guys think that dodging a bullet slower than you in the dark is harder than dodging 100 arms each 20 meters long and which are naturally invisible and each one having it's own style and an infinite different variation of combos, you do you

 

[Delusionaltx2]

That's like, 2 days '-'.

2 days combined with the fact that this thread has been open for like 5

the moment he comes back a week would have passed and threads do not need to be that long

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well, I work and I can barely gather scans right now. So if you guys think that dodging a bullet slower than you in the dark

This was pointed out multiple times but sure i'll say it again...those bullets were perception blitzing him

is harder than dodging 100 arms each 20 meters long and which are naturally invisible

Attack reflection + LS deals with the sheer size while enhanced senses, instinctive reactions, and analytical prediction deals with the invisibility

and each one have it's own style and an infinite different variation of combos, you do you

Those infinite variations can be brought down to something finite and doable under certain circumstances, meruem showed us that.

Garou is gonna be growing with AD and will eventually just reach a point where he can outspeed them all and maneuver around them to hit Netero because, as already pointed out, these hands won't instantly kill Garou, Garou can tank and/or redirect them so he has time.

 

[Robo432343]

Netero for reasons above icl

 

[Drite77]

2 days combined with the fact that this thread has been open for like 5

the moment he comes back a week would have passed and threads do not need to be that long

Well buddy, I've been bumping threads that are months long, one is wiating for just 2 votes and one is waiting for 3. Sometimes threads are just that long

 

[That_moron2]

Adapt after death, maybe

Funny that you mention it

 

[Epiccheev]

Garou will use his blessing of skillslop and blessing of Phoenks and Kachon to survive this

 

[EnderLord8]

Garou fra

I don't think Netero can kill Garou fast enough.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Well buddy, I've been bumping threads that are months long, one is wiating for just 2 votes and one is waiting for 3. Sometimes threads are just that long

And I'm saying threads do not need to be that long for people to vote

 

[Arkenis]

Looking at the page

• Analytical Prediction (Blocked and parried all of Tanktop Master's attacks, according to his recollection, anticipating all of his movements. Predicted the trajectory of Golden Ball's attacks by watching his hand. Can analyze a target's line of sight, posture, and center of gravity in order to predict a multitude of hypothetical movements. Evaded all of Quiver's arrows without seeing them, simply by knowing his attacks)

Most this is irrelevant due to how Netero's statue works. These are on people he knows like Quiver or Tanktop as well so they definitely don't equate to Netero.
This is insane, we've already saw Pitou and Meurem struggle with predicting the statue and they both have precog and genius intelligence, the way it attacks is simply impossible to predict even for those who can visually see nen, Garou not being able to see the nen and only relying on his senses doesn't seem like a good scenario.

I think this is an impressive martial arts knowledge feat for Netero, given he knows of a seemingly limitless amount of ways to defend himself, but I do not think this actually means very much for Mereum's analytical prediction. All forms of prediction involve decreasing a practically infinite amount of possibilities into a singular one which you act on. It even says in that scan that what Mereum was doing was trying to identify a subconscious bias in Netero's movements which would give him a lead on predicting his next move.

I see no reason that Garou would not be capable of the same thing.

Well for one just because that's how prediction works, does not mean everyone can do it. I can sit here and predict what my gf is gonna say or do everyday because she isn't doing complicated things, but I can not sit here and predict the angles in which Netero is going to attack due to a difference in intelligence and my unawareness of nen and my lack of combat experience/talent. What you guys need to prove is that Garou can fathom the amount of attacks Netero could do at any given moment and then predict the thousands of possibilities afterwards.

There's also stuff like Netero's nen being so quiet experienced nen users can't read the flow of it, so I'm not sure how the fact Garou can't sense nen, and Netero's nen is imperceptible to other nen users leaves Garou predicting nothing.

Gotta agree with LOK here. The first page has like four or five votes for Garou while the start of a debate between LOK and Phoenks happens. You guys barely argued over other avenues.

 

[That_moron2]

I don’t agree that Garou will be able to parry the Buddha, but I don’t think Netero can put Garou down before Garou can adapt to him and A.P slam

 

[Phoenks]

I'm not particularly interested in this matchup which is why I haven't gone into further detail. I probably won't make another post.

All I'll say is that Netero literally has no wincon. Even if you say he has better prediction or whatever, he can't actually kill Garou, and Garou has 600x more AP than Netero has durability.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Will address this later (busy atm), but you can't start talking about how nobody was arguing over any other avenues when the only arguments brought up for Netero were

"His statue is invisible," and "His statue has a lot of hands."

Which was both answered with the fact that garou can adapt to invisible things and has attack reflection, an LS advantage, and enhanced senses

Also, Netero can't kill him fast enough before Garou just ADs to a point he speedblitzs which nobody answered at all

 

[EnderLord8]

Yes, if it was just a matter of skill, Garou would be cooked, but considering his other abilities, you realize that Netero won't be able to kill him fast enough.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Funny that you mention it

Why we use Pheonix Man as a standard, bro is a literal phoenix

 

[Kin201]

Why we use Pheonix Man as a standard, bro is a literal phoenix

Yeah, it's weird because Phoenix Man literally died and resurrected. It is different from Garou's "near-death" experiences. Garou never actually died.

 

[Epiccheev]

True, Garou is in a coma and OPM was his dream.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Why we use Pheonix Man as a standard, bro is a literal phoenix

tbh idk

 

[Kachon123]

Bodhisattva is just a glorified version of Orochi's horns. I see no reason why Garou can't deal with them.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I never restricted Zero Hand to be fair, it's just a move he can only use once.

 

[Kachon123]

I never restricted Zero Hand to be fair, it's just a move he can only use once.

I don't think that would be very helpful given Garou has superior LS and can return attacks with 2x the force.

 

[That_moron2]

Bodhisattva is just a glorified version of Orochi's horns. I see no reason why Garou can't deal with them.

Were Orochi's horns invisible?

 

[Kachon123]

Were Orochi's horns invisible?

Hence the word glorified.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I don't think that would be very helpful given Garou has superior LS.

No, Zero Hand is the big **** off laser blast he used against Meruem at the end.

 

[Arkenis]

I don't see how Garou doesn't just die from thousands of blows that he can't even block?

 

[Kachon123]

No, Zero Hand is the big **** off laser blast he used against Meruem at the end.

It grabs Garou and then shoots a giant laser. Garou isn't getting held down since he has higher LS.

 

[That_moron2]

Hence the word glorified.

Them being invisible changes the entire situation its not just "glorified"

 

[Arkenis]

no need to try and downplay an ability.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Looking at the page

• Analytical Prediction (Blocked and parried all of Tanktop Master's attacks, according to his recollection, anticipating all of his movements. Predicted the trajectory of Golden Ball's attacks by watching his hand. Can analyze a target's line of sight, posture, and center of gravity in order to predict a multitude of hypothetical movements. Evaded all of Quiver's arrows without seeing them, simply by knowing his attacks)

Most this is irrelevant due to how Netero's statue works. These are on people he knows like Quiver or Tanktop as well so they definitely don't equate to Netero.

The argument centered around the idea that he could use analytical prediction to predict neteros attacks through hand movements, which is shown in how golden balls attacks consist of bullets that blitz garous perception, forcing garou to predict him through using his hand movements as a reference

These are bullets moving at FTE compared to Garou that can ricochet off walls, while Garou is in an enclosed area, meaning he can predict attacks he can't see and even grow to the point where those same attacks become a non-issue in a short timeframe

The only real difference here is that Netero is slow enough to the point Garou can actually react to him, and Netero has more hands which just means it would take longer to adapt

This is insane, we've already saw Pitou

In pitous case Netero just stat stomped him, which is why he struggled to predict here both fighters start with equal speed

and Meurem struggle with predicting the statue and they both have precog and genius intelligence,

Is Meruems' precog even as good as Garous's? Pre cog isn't the only thing Garou has anyway, since in addition to this, he also has attack reflection, which essentially means rather than needing to do the same thing as meruem, he just has to predict the general vicinity of where Netero will attack and work from there

This plays into Garou's AD since Garou could grow over time to the point where he can just speed blitz Netero

the way it attacks is simply impossible to predict even for those who can visually see nen, Garou not being able to see the nen and only relying on his senses doesn't seem like a good scenario.

1. Garou can predict invisible attacks from his POV just by looking at hand movements. Nen users rely on sensing nen rather than using physical changes most of the time, and when they do it's usually not to the extent as garou. Garou would just need to see Netero pull something like this, and he'd get a rough idea of what's going on.

2. Garou can reflect attacks like this, if we've already established that Garou can at least somewhat get an idea of bodhisattva, he should be able to deflect a barrage of attacks from it if need be

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No, Zero Hand is the big **** off laser blast he used against Meruem at the end.

Isn't zero hand a f*** you nuke?

edit: nvm thats the rose bomb zero hand is the big mouth beam

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

To be fair, Garou is only winning via evolving to a literal new key that can evolve even more

if you cap him the fight is more fair, Garou already is the stronger of the two and he can evolve to 7-A too? Absurd, use Meruem at this point

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Garou FRA

 

[Epiccheev]

Garold FRA

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Garold FRA

Ah yes, my favorite OPM character: Garold

 

[Arkenis]

The argument centered around the idea that he could use analytical prediction to predict neteros attacks through hand movements, which is shown in how golden balls attacks consist of bullets that blitz garous perception, forcing garou to predict him through using his hand movements as a reference

Nen is invisible. You looking at Netero's hand movements won't let you predict the manifestation of nen 10 meters away from his body and extending an attack well over 6 meters slam into you.

These are bullets moving at FTE compared to Garou that can ricochet off walls, while Garou is in an enclosed area, meaning he can predict attacks he can't see and even grow to the point where those same attacks become a non-issue in a short timeframe

Doesn't equate to the invisible nen.

Is Meruems' precog even as good as Garous's? Pre cog isn't the only thing Garou has anyway, since in addition to this, he also has attack reflection, which essentially means rather than needing to do the same thing as meruem, he just has to predict the general vicinity of where Netero will attack and work from there

Him not sensing or seeing the nen means he can't AR it. And yeah Meruem's precog is better in reference to predicting thousands of attacks.

1. Garou can predict invisible attacks from his POV just by looking at hand movements. Nen users rely on sensing nen rather than using physical changes most of the time, and when they do it's usually not to the extent as garou. Garou would just need to see Netero pull something like this, and he'd get a rough idea of what's going on.

He just can't. Just arguing to argue, not even something to genuinely respond to that hasn't already refuted and just lying about nen.

 

[That_moron2]

These arguments for Garou are so bad I'm switching to Netero

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Nen is invisible. You looking at Netero's hand movements won't let you predict the manifestation of nen 10 meters away from his body and extending an attack well over 6 meters slam into you.

yet in garous case it does for other attacks that are also invisible from his pov

and again he just needs to know the general vicinity which wouldn't be hard with LS and enhanced senses

Doesn't equate to the invisible nen.

Why exactly?

Him not sensing or seeing the nen means he can't AR it.

No it dosen't? Nen still causes physical phenomena and affects the surrounding environment physically, which means he can predict it

And yeah Meruem's precog is better in reference to predicting thousands of attacks.

After countless attempts and trial and error yeah, how would this objectively make him better at prediction than garou tho?

like we have a situation where character A predicted fewer actions but predicts said actions instantly, while character B predicted far more actions but at a significantly slower rate

How can we say Meruems precog is objectively "better" in that sense?

He just can't.

Why is it that he "just can't"? That's begging the question.

Just arguing to argue, not even something to genuinely respond to that hasn't already refuted and just lying about nen.

Where did I lie about nen? I said nen users predict other nen users through sensing their nen most of the time and when they use more physical means to do it they are no where near as good as garou? is that a lie? How is this untrue? You never explained that.