Alright so in Land of the Waves, Naruto still has Shadow Clones and he's shown to be pretty clever even this early on. However, Naruto is also prone to charging in recklessly at this point (see his fights with Kakashi, Haku, and Lee), and against someone with a large stat advantage, that's going to get him punished, especially if Superman takes advantage of the Lifting Strength gap (which is very in character for him to do). That's not to say that Naruto can't win, as once he figures out he's outmatched in close combat then he'll take a more calculated approach and abuse his numbers and speed advantages, but in all likelyhood Supes just pins him down or knocks him out before he can actually put whatever plan he'd come up with into action. Voting Superman
This too. Naruto’s usual tactics will be ineffective.
Superman finally shuts annoying blonde up FRA (I don't actually hate Naruto
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He only used that in a fight against Ebisu iirc, and the only time he made that many shadow clones was against Mizuki where he was mental amped or kurama amped, or both
He used it on Iruka, then Hiruzen, then Ebisu, then Jiraya. If part 1 Nard wasn't 12 he'd for sure be on some watchlist for the constant harassment lmao.
Narutos clone quantity comes from stamina/chakra quantity which isn't really affected by mental amps. Generally other times the number of his clones is limited either by him not needing that many or by the location not allowing it.
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Only one of these is an actual fight. Even if he does use that, what difference does it make? It might surprise Supes enough for Naruto to get an opening but Supes is at a fairly large A.P advantage so it won't do much.
Even if he does make 1000 shadow clones (which seems unlikely to me considering he never attempted more than like 5 or 6 outside of Mizuki, and because Clark could incapacitate him before Naruto gets desperate enough for something like that), then Supes can easily avoid them with flight and underground mobility and take out groups of them with super breath or heat vision while they are unable to fight back due to the range advantage.
Because he avoided the fights by KOing them with it
Yeah if one Naruto were to hit him but getting hit by 100 Narutos is surely going to be enough imo.
He used like a 50+ to break out of Orochimarus snake (and even that was only around that because it was enough), like 20 against the mist shinobi, similar amount against Neji, 2000 against Gaara, hundreds against Kimimaro, hundreds against Sasuke (straight up made a clone ladder for aerial combat) etc. Naruto spams clones depending on the situation.
Clark isn't getting through clones, transformations, and shunshin at range where Naruto can't reach him. And the moment he comes near them he gets jumped.
But notice how he never attempts it on non-goonersBecause he avoided the fights by KOing them with it
Not all 100 can hit him at once dude. Naruto had several shadow clones out against Kaguya but when he tricked her with sexy jutsu she only got tagged by one clone before locking back in. What fight shows Naruto opening with 100 clones and then using sexy jutsu and then managing to land 100s of blows on the opponent?
Most of these are after training and increasing his chakra efficiency so he can make more easier or not a fight at all. In fights like Kakashi, Zabuza, Haku, Lee, and Kiba he didn't make anywhere near that many and opted for smaller amounts or even a 1v1
How is any of that going to stop him from just flying up or down? He doesn't have to come near them at all because of super breath and heat vision, and if he does he can seperate specfic clones just by blowing ones around them away or destroying them with heat vision.
1. Prove Naruto can throw himself hundreds of meters into the air with only superhuman lifting strength
He has not done this a single time and doing this would be even more difficult than pumelling him with numbers since he'd need to be percise
Big blue ain't range spamming, the distance is gonna be much shorter
His first successful usage of the technique had him spawning 2000. This isn't something that needs to be proven
Bold of you to assume it's gonna be the real him.
Why wouldn't he do that when he's cornered by dozens of opponents?
Can we all be honest in vs threads for once? You can't be harping on what one person did and didn't do in character and list things out of character as their opponents wincon. Supes isn't a range spammer, barely used super breath and never used heat vision till it was a last resort and even then, he never spammed it
He explicitly used Heat Vision due to being jumped by a hundred Raptors at once. Im pretty sure the argument is that he would laser down the clones
He was litterally spinning while striking down everyone around him tho?
He had no real way of knowing those people were gooners ahead of time and later in the story he uses it against Kaguya who was basically the opposite of a gooner.
Not saying they can but each clone also isn't restricted to hitting him once, or to only hitting him (he has kunai for stabbing for example)
Naruto never needed it. This situation is completely unlike anything Nard has faced so saying "he didn't do this in this completely different scenario so he won't do it here" makes no sense.
Yeah usually because of the context. He basically didn't use clones against Kiba at all until the finishing blow, him fighting Lee wasn't even a fight, Haku was ******** on him too much, Zabuza was literally passive-******* them, and Kakashi was a spar against a teacher completely out of their league. Naruto had 1 direct confrontation where he got clowned on completely and that was it.
It doesn't. It stops him from hitting Naruto. Good luck hitting someone from hundreds of meters away while they spam speed amps, create fake copies of themselves as diversion, and throw shurikens at you.
Which he's not hitting at distance and isn't really in character to begin with.
He doesn't need to, he transforms into a shuriken instead.
He can make 1000 of them. Making 50 on the ground and 500 more (btw that was just a random number, realistically there wouldn't be much difference between 20 and 500)should be easy.
Huh? Clark would be completely caught offguard and before he can even turn around Naruto would have already swarmed him with clones.
You wanna know what else he's never done?
He can't do that at this point
Supes' X-Ray Vision makes this a non-factor
Why? Clones are identical to the original down to the flesh and bones. Even way more advanced visual techniques like the byakugan couldn't help against them
I think his point is that he can't use Stealth Mastery on Supes since he has X Ray vision to see where he's hiding
Doesn't protect him from stealth mastery here. Narutos stealth here works either through substitution jutsu which creates an optical illusion of him being hit, or by Naruto hiding either within his clones or with transformation jutsu.
Heat Vision with hundreds of meters range?
And how does it hit? Do you genuinely think an attack equal to Narutos speed traveling in a straight line from hundreds of meters away is going to come even remotely close to hitting?
