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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

I don't remember a CRT for it but don't trust my word on that.
I agree with the scaling, but I know that isn't the point of this.
 
I'm pretty sure Mephiles is actually waiting to be dowgraded now that Riders Zero gravity was confirmed to be after 2006. (Although, that doesn't affect a Shadow Generations key.)
 
To those who can't harness the true power of the Chaos Emeralds, but still amplify themselves with it anyway, would any feats from the Chaos Emeralds apply to the amplification? (mainly asking because of Tails during Tails Adventure, who was amping his durability and stamina with each chaos emerald he collected)
 
McFriesGuy075 said:
To those who can't harness the true power of the Chaos Emeralds, but still amplify themselves with it anyway, would any feats from the Chaos Emeralds apply to the amplification? (mainly asking because of Tails during Tails Adventure, who was amping his durability and stamina with each chaos emerald he collected)
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I don't believe so, no. There's no way to deduce that such amounts of energy can automatically apply.
 
Wait a minute. Shouldn't the cast from Sonic 06 downscale their way into being 2-C? After all Mephilse fought doom powered Shadow and while he got sort of dunked on he still did seem to do about as well as Metal Overlord did against Shadow.

So maybe it's something like.

Incomplete doom Shadow > 2 Emerald Mephilse > 06 Team Dark ≈ the rest of the cast during 06?
 
Snek said:
Wait a minute. Shouldn't the cast from Sonic 06 downscale their way into being 2-C? After all Mephilse fought doom powered Shadow and while he got sort of dunked on he still did seem to do about as well as Metal Overlord did against Shadow.

So maybe it's something like.

Incomplete doom Shadow > 2 Emerald Mephilse > 06 Team Dark ≈ the rest of the cast during 06?
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Pretty sure that's gonna end up into circular scaling
 
Snek said:
Wait a minute. Shouldn't the cast from Sonic 06 downscale their way into being 2-C? After all Mephilse fought doom powered Shadow and while he got sort of dunked on he still did seem to do about as well as Metal Overlord did against Shadow.

So maybe it's something like.

Incomplete doom Shadow > 2 Emerald Mephilse > 06 Team Dark ≈ the rest of the cast during 06?
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No? Shadow scales to Overlord by that point, aka 1-C

That Mephiles is also aftee 06 and the Solaris fight, no reason for his past self to scale
 
Snek said:
Wait a minute. Shouldn't the cast from Sonic 06 downscale their way into being 2-C? After all Mephilse fought doom powered Shadow and while he got sort of dunked on he still did seem to do about as well as Metal Overlord did against Shadow.

So maybe it's something like.

Incomplete doom Shadow > 2 Emerald Mephilse > 06 Team Dark ≈ the rest of the cast during 06?
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Nah. It’s the same issue with Perfect Chaos and Classic Sonic. Logically, given Classic Sonic does {Insert Here} on Future Enemy, and Future Enemy is {Blank Strong}, that makes Classic Sonic {Blank Strong}. Then he goes back to the past, experiences several games worth of buffs, which makes the New Timeline version of Future Enemy (Future Enemy-2), actually {Blank Strong-2}, but because it’s a timeloop, that means that eventually Classic becomes Modern and experiences Generations, where his past self, (Classic-2 for sake of simplicity) will now fight Future Enemy-2, which logically makes Classic-2 {Blank Strong-2}. Then he goes back into the past…

And that loop repeats forever. Not only is the scaling circular, (Classic < Future Enemy < Classic), it infinitely loops and buffs the scaling chain in a way that is unquantifiable because Classic and FE endlessly scale higher each time they redo the loop from the nature of Gens. Events. The same happens for Shadow and Metal, and Shadow with fighting stuff from Forces and Frontiers, though he battles nothing important worth noting for scaling.
 
Sparkive said:
I'm pretty sure Mephiles is actually waiting to be dowgraded now that Riders Zero gravity was confirmed to be after 2006. (Although, that doesn't affect a Shadow Generations key.)
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His High 3-A key comes from Riders. Not its sequel. Unless that feat is fetting downgraded too?
 

Oh, so the Travel Rings, the same ones constantly used to transport racers to CrossWorlds (cough simulations cough) can actually transport you to other dimensions/universes?
 
Reading the rivals dialouge and wtf is Omegas problem with Vector, he's doing that man like Batman did to Deathstroke in that one panel this racing shit ain't that serious
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Looks at him needing three Super-level peeps to defeat and him upscaling everything in the verse at that point.

I mean...
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Not even just three super level characters, an amped up Super Sonic who at his regular power couldn't even stack up to Metal Madness properly and had to charge his power even further while also giving that buff to Tails and Knuckles and even then it's a long dragged out fight where they have to perfectly swap stances to counter his attacks since the Speed, Flight and Power mechanic still plays a crucial role in the battle.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Not even just three super level characters, an amped up Super Sonic who at his regular power couldn't even stack up to Metal Madness properly and had to charge his power even further while also giving that buff to Tails and Knuckles and even then it's a long dragged out fight where they have to perfectly swap stances to counter his attacks since the Speed, Flight and Power still plays a crucial role in the battle.
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Also someone who couldn't be damaged by anything short of the Team Blast as well as reasonably scaling above anything the franchise has shown before.
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Also someone who couldn't be damaged by anything short of the Team Blast as well as reasonably scaling above anything the franchise has shown before.
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Makes me wonder if the Shadow who 1v1'd Metal Overlord could beat that specific version of Team Super Sonic or if they would manage to whittle away at him enough to beat him.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Makes me wonder if the Shadow who 1v1'd Metal Overlord could beat that specific version of Team Super Sonic or if they would manage to whittle away at him enough to beat him.
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Tbh, I still don't buy Shadow being THAT much stronger than his base in the Metal Overlord fight. My personal scaling is just Endgame Gens Shadow being at those Super-levels when fighting against Black Doom.
 
ZothythoTheNephalem said:
Tbh, I still don't buy Shadow being THAT much stronger than his base in the Metal Overlord fight. My personal scaling is just Endgame Gens Shadow being at those Super-levels when fighting against Black Doom.
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I mean he kind of has to be that strong to even harm Metal Overlord, much less beat him. His regular attacks were damaging him where as Team Super Sonic needed to spam their ultimate attack to take him down.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I mean he kind of has to be that strong to even harm Metal Overlord, much less beat him. His regular attacks were damaging him where as Team Super Sonic needed to spam their ultimate attack to take him down.
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I'm a believer that Shadow was just that strong tbh and that Sega just did a Perfect Chaos, tbh.
 
TheStinkeer said:
Does anyone know any threads discussing the Sonic Colors black hole feat?
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Deleted an earlier version of this reply mb

Also should White Space get the beyond-dimensional existence in the blog? Like yes, it's consistently timeless and places that have their dimensional energy consumed/had their space-time erased goes there, but the issue is that White Space is still considered a "space." Like with Omega's statement of "We are in a space without time." Ofc that being said I still agree with everything else the blog says

Side note it's still a lil funny how it's a space that contains places that no longer have space
 
ShakeResounding said:
Son of a *****. I ******* KNEW IT and already had it Post-06 in my blog, but noooooo we can never be satisfied with the canon. Lmao
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We will never stop!!!!

Remember that I am technically the one to blame for having Runners in another universe.
(Although I was trying to decanonize it entirely and Omegasonic was the one who ended up being in charge of having it accepted as another universe)
Have we already taken the Runners scans out of the profiles or not?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Makes me wonder if the Shadow who 1v1'd Metal Overlord could beat that specific version of Team Super Sonic or if they would manage to whittle away at him enough to beat him.
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I imagine they'd eventually whittle away at him. Doom Shadow doesn't have the means to pierce their Invulnerability
Edit: Just remembered IDW's Chaos Spear negging Super Neo's form, hmm...
 
GlaceonGamez471 said:
I imagine they'd eventually whittle away at him. Doom Shadow doesn't have the means to pierce their Invulnerability
Edit: Just remembered IDW's Chaos Spear negging Super Neo's form, hmm...
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Not like that matters cuz the Super Forms couldn't pierce Metal Overlord's without their ultimate attack while Shadow could with his regular attacks.
 
TheStinkeer said:
Also should White Space get the beyond-dimensional existence in the blog? Like yes, it's consistently timeless and places that have their dimensional energy consumed/had their space-time erased goes there, but the issue is that White Space is still considered a "space."
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I know this is a very hand-wavey response, but it's a Sonic video game. This is the same franchise where Sonic can reinstate erased time from actual nothingness, and where the writers are definitely not going to delve into explaining how such a thing can be.
TheStinkeer said:
Like with Omega's statement of "We are in a space without time." Ofc that being said I still agree with everything else the blog says
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The issue is that the erasure of space-time necessitates that whatever happens to time equally happens to space. They are too intermingled and there are already statements verbatim stating that space is also being erased/restored.

Omega's wording shouldn't be too troubling. It is quite literally White Space, not White Nowhere lol, and it highly depends verse-to-verse as to how that's handled. Erased things are added to a realm of nothingness in the Sonicverse
 
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