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GRACE [7-5-0] An Orc has fallen in the river in Corto Maltese, damn! (Grommash Hellscream vs. Superman)

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Supes scales to 5.8*10^33 joules, Grom scales to 5.944x10^23 joules...
 
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superman has like a 4x AP advantage and outskills unfairly.
Supes can just fly up and laserbeam his ass until he dies
 
Gamecooob said:
superman has like a 4x AP advantage and outskills unfairly.
Supes can just fly up and laserbeam his ass until he dies
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How does he has 4x ish AP adavntage, according to World of Warcraft page 5-B characters scale 10x the base planet level value.
 
Let's get down to it:

Grom has the clear LS advantage, a melee range advantage with his axe, has acrobatics listed that Superman doesn't, and his illusions can throw Clark for a loop.

Superman has a 2-3x AP advantage, long-range advantage with his heat vision, flight and superior travel speed, and martial arts skills that outmatch Millerverse Batman (that can even counter those stronger and faster than himself).

Both have some similar resistances, Grom might have a larger quantity of them but almost none of them relevant here. Both do have a level of stealth mastery, but Superman's enhanced senses would help to counter that.

Grom could put of a fight, but Superman seems to be winning this.
 
Depends on how their fight played out, but regardless, it's not on his profile.
 
Should contact me for Grom matches.

Anywho...

Grom is a big, bloodlusted skill monster who requires massive armies of elite forces and like 3 other powerful named characters to even begin to challenge in terms of skill and ability. This is a guy who held the line against hundreds of thousands of Alliance soldiers, which these are 6 foot tall medieval soldiers, and wasn't even ******* touched while he was casual and exchanging looks and gestures with Rexxar. And these aren't fodder who can't keep up with him in speed either lol

Did I mention Grom doesn't pull his punches in this key yet? He will fight with everything he has, landing hits on him SUCKS to do even with arrows or lasers at anything except point blank, and he swings like a demonic-blood crazed madman.

Superman... is comparable to a Batman I couldn't find any skill feats for on his profile except seven ways to take down a guy. He's going to be lucky to even touch Grom a single time.

Should note, your story probably doesn't make sense for this key of Grom. He'd be killing people from the first minute of being in a new place.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Should contact me for Grom matches.

Anywho...

Grom is a big, bloodlusted skill monster who requires massive armies of elite forces and like 3 other powerful named characters to even begin to challenge in terms of skill and ability. This is a guy who held the line against hundreds of thousands of Alliance soldiers, which these are 6 foot tall medieval soldiers, and wasn't even ******* touched while he was casual and exchanging looks and gestures with Rexxar. And these aren't fodder who can't keep up with him in speed either lol

Did I mention Grom doesn't pull his punches in this key yet? He will fight with everything he has, landing hits on him SUCKS to do even with arrows or lasers at anything except point blank, and he swings like a demonic-blood crazed madman.

Superman... is comparable to a Batman I couldn't find any skill feats for on his profile except seven ways to take down a guy. He's going to be lucky to even touch Grom a single time.

Should note, your story probably doesn't make sense for this key of Grom. He'd be killing people from the first minute of being in a new place.
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In fairness, Batman stated that Superman far surpassed him in skill. Superman was able to keep up wit Kryptonians who were stronger and faster than himself via skill alone. Also, Superman probably wouldn't pull punches either against Grom, he only held back against Batman because he didn't want to kill his old friend.

Sorry about the story thing, I'll change it to make more sense.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
In fairness, Batman stated that Superman far surpassed him in skill. Superman was able to keep up wit Kryptonians who were stronger and faster than himself via skill alone. Also, Superman probably wouldn't pull punches either against Grom, he only held back against Batman because he didn't want to kill his old friend.
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Honest to god: How is this putting Superman within spitting distance of Grom? Be real with me.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Honest to god: How is this putting Superman within spitting distance of Grom? Be real with me.
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There's a threshold where increases in skill gives diminishing returns in terms of actual winning in a fight. It's not like Superman can't fight, so it's not like he'll have no idea how to counter Grom.

Superman's skills of countering speed advantages would help given they have equal speed, so Superman can kind of "skill" his way to have a speed advantage, kind of.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
There's a threshold where increases in skill gives diminishing returns in terms of actual winning in a fight. It's not like Superman can't fight, so it's not like he'll have no idea how to counter Grom.

Superman's skills of countering speed advantages would help given they have equal speed, so Superman can kind of "skill" his way to have a speed advantage, kind of.
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There's a difference between "Superman fights like 4 people stronger than him" and "Superman effortlessly dances through an army while non-verbally chatting to someone else."

He's going to be lucky to land hits on Grom, let alone the Grom that's spamming illusionary copies and fighting like a Berserker who knows how to dodge.
 
DaReaperMan said:
There's a difference between "Superman fights like 4 people stronger than him" and "Superman effortlessly dances through an army while non-verbally chatting to someone else."

He's going to be lucky to land hits on Grom, let alone the Grom that's spamming illusionary copies and fighting like a Berserker who knows how to dodge.
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Do you vote for Grom then?
 
Rex_Eckles said:
What about all the things Superman has going for him? (Just to be clear, I'm fine with you siding with Grom, I just want to establish that this is not a stomp.)
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The ability to fly, an AP advantage and the ability use a ranged attack does not outdo a horrific skill advantage and the ability to replicate. Superman will tire himself out before landing a ranged hit on Grom and he's going to be getting beaten over the head in melee.
 
DaReaperMan said:
The ability to fly, an AP advantage and the ability use a ranged attack does not outdo a horrific skill advantage and the ability to replicate. Superman will tire himself out before landing a ranged hit on Grom and he's going to be getting beaten over the head in melee.
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How long do you think it'll take for Superman to land enough ranged hits? While not as good as Grom's stamina, he could withstand hours of getting beaten up by Kryptonians stronger than himself. He also can replenish his strength in seconds from absorbing photosynthetic energy from his surroundings.
 
Since Supes doesn't have prior knowledge, he isn't going to immediately go for his best advantages in this fight, he'll do what he always did and go into melee first, which is basically going to be his death sentence since Grom is basically gonna beat the shit out of him if not kill him in a couple blows, throw in his mirror images and supes is basically fighting a 3vs1 mentally until he figures out which one is the real Grom.

quick question though, does Grom get his Critical Strike passive ability from warcraft 3? if so that gives him a 15% chance to deal fourtimes more damage every attack
 
Rex_Eckles said:
How long do you think it'll take for Superman to land enough ranged hits? While not as good as Grom's stamina, he could withstand hours of getting beaten up by Kryptonians stronger than himself. He also can replenish his strength in seconds from absorbing photosynthetic energy from his surroundings.
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Long enough he'd be at his wit's end trying to stop the collateral.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Long enough he'd be at his wit's end trying to stop the collateral.
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The people that Grom fought, can you give me some context about them? Like their relative strength and whatnot?

Also, Superman could just lead Grom away from civilians, or just remove them altogether.
 
Rex_Eckles said:
The people that Grom fought, can you give me some context about them? Like their relative strength and whatnot?

Also, Superman could just lead Grom away from civilians, or just remove them altogether.
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Ever hear of Numbers Theorem? As individuals, people are generally weak in WoW, but give them numbers and you have tier 9 scourge sufficiently threatening two people who are tier 5. That's why Army solos, when they happen, are very ******* impressive in this verse.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ever hear of Numbers Theorem? As individuals, people are generally weak in WoW, but give them numbers and you have tier 9 scourge sufficiently threatening two people who are tier 5. That's why Army solos, when they happen, are very ******* impressive in this verse.
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If Grom was jumped by multiple people stronger and faster than himself, how would he do?
 
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