Demon King & Arthur Pendragon`s Creation feats

[FinePoint]

In general I'm very hesitant to use speech as a measuring stick of any kind, since talking is often considered a 'free action' in media.
Does this verse actually establish they talk that fast canonically?

Also, I believe that asking the author about the starry sky is probably against the rules since it's clearly related to battle-boarding.

 

[Makai641001]

In general I'm very hesitant to use speech as a measuring stick of any kind, since talking is often considered a 'free action' in media.
Does this verse actually establish they talk that fast canonically?

Also, I believe that asking the author about the starry sky is probably against the rules since it's clearly related to battle-boarding.

Actually don’t pay attention to the OP it’s full of really bad arguments.

4kota happens 16 years After the end of the 2nd Holy war.
The lowest possible end for Camelot’s creation and it’s multiple 4-A structures would be 16 years and give 4-B to 4-A.

Percival was born 18 years before the current Post timeskip events, 16 years before the beginning of 4kota and died in a car accident as a newborn.

Diodora’s mom was already pregnant when DK died and got poisoned by his flesh.
The mother died quickly and soon after he was led to Neo Camelot which already existed.

As suggested by Mortlach the poison seems to be able to kill them really fast « His days are numbered » and nothing can stop it.

Ironside took Percival’s dead body to Neo Camelot to use it as a New body for his son performing the Spirit of Life ritual.

Neo Camelot already existed DAYS maybe weeks after Arthur absorbed Chaos.

Conclusion:
Lowest possible end = 16 years
Low end = 6 months (CBL events Neo Camelot was already created)
Mid end = 1 month
High end = days to a week (If you take "his days are numbered" litteraly)

NB: Keep in mind that Ironside started to search for Neo Camelot before his wife died meaning it already existed and rumours were already propagating atp.

Here are a few possible timeframes for the creation of Neo Camelot that holds at least 2 4-A structures we already went through UES + Creation and reached consensus on the creation qualifying for 4-B.

All we need is your opinion on which timeframe should be used.

And yes it’s considered a battleboarding question I already got a warning I didn’t even know it was forbidden tbf but Nakaba’s answer is backed up by the manga anyway

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm kind of lost here, what is the main topic now?

 

[Bossbrosish]

I'm kind of lost here, what is the main topic now?

I believe it's finding a timeframe for Camelot's creation.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Wait what argument was refuted. I know the Q&A stuff was considered Battleboarding but there is Manga evidence of stars being present in the dimensions

You two saying the same thing

 

[Jey-kun52]

I don't think that was refuted; nothing about the scan that was posted above changed what I said. Pellegarde just repeats the information that land is being taken from Britannia to fuel what is being created in Camelot.

If it's as you say, and Arthur is doing it because he's obsessed with Britain, then there's both high speed and very high LS success in a reasonable timeframe.

And what about the starry sky, which even the gods he created possessed? Are we talking about someone whom these gods, jealous of Chaos's greatness and fearful of his own race's betrayal, tried to seal away?

 

[Makai641001]

I'm kind of lost here, what is the main topic now?

Basically look at message #82

We are trying to find a suitable timeframe for Neo Camelot creation which is a 4-A structure.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Actually don’t pay attention to the OP it’s full of really bad arguments.


Here are a few possible timeframes for the creation of Neo Camelot that holds at least 2 4-A structures we already went through UES + Creation and reached consensus on the creation qualifying for 4-B.

All we need is your opinion on which timeframe should be used.

And yes it’s considered a battleboarding question I already got a warning I didn’t even know it was forbidden tbf but Nakaba’s answer is backed up by the manga anyway

Looks alright I guess.

 

[Makai641001]

Looks alright I guess.

Thanks for your feedback

In general I'm very hesitant to use speech as a measuring stick of any kind, since talking is often considered a 'free action' in media.
Does this verse actually establish they talk that fast canonically?

Also, I believe that asking the author about the starry sky is probably against the rules since it's clearly related to battle-boarding.

Do you have any contentions with what i brought up ?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Bump

 

[karo_senpaii]

Ngl it itches me a bit that these threads always turn out being inactive when a consensus is found about them being agreed on.

You are an admin, supposed to moderate and help VSBW fludify the immense flow of unanswered threads.

You admitted your bias but ended up not giving your vote which blocked us for weeks now.

So, do you agree with this thread ?

It's usually dead coz the thread usually sucks. Think about it, you basically had to take over this thread and come up with new points for the op. In fact you outright told the admin to ignore the op as it's full of bad arguments. This means without your presence this is a thread most admins won't even take serious. That should explain why a lot of these threads go inactive

 

[karo_senpaii]

Anyways personally I'm fine with the 16 years or 6month time frame. Either is okay. At least rn in a vacuum, who scales to it asides from Arthur is a separate issue in of itself

 

[FinePoint]

Do you have any contentions with what i brought up ?

Not in particular. If it's also backed up by the manga it's probably fine.

I think 6 months probably makes the most sense for something long-term but with their 'days being numbered'.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Anyways personally I'm fine with the 16 years or 6month time frame. Either is okay. At least rn in a vacuum, who scales to it asides from Arthur is a separate issue in of itself

Actually 5 months. 16 years inconsistent

Meliodas, lanc and maybe 7ds Members with 4koa keys

 

[Jey-kun52]

Not in particular. If it's also backed up by the manga it's probably fine.

I think 6 months probably makes the most sense for something long-term but with their 'days being numbered'.

16 years can't be possible because (I said this in the previous crt) Meliodas says that Tristan, a nephilim, was able to enter through Camelot's barrier and adds that there were no half-breeds at that time (when the dimension was created). For this reason, our low ball is 5 months, but it could be 6 months.

Tristan was born on April 29th, which is May if we round up, which is the 5th month of the year. Otherwise, if it were more than 5 months, it would be 17 years ago, not 16 years ago. But also 6 is fine

 

[Jey-kun52]

It's usually dead coz the thread usually sucks. Think about it, you basically had to take over this thread and come up with new points for the op. In fact you outright told the admin to ignore the op as it's full of bad arguments. This means without your presence this is a thread most admins won't even take serious. That should explain why a lot of these threads go inactive

I don't think anyone will bother reopening, we're too lazy. Let's just get this done here.

 

[Jey-kun52]

Not in particular. If it's also backed up by the manga it's probably fine.

I think 6 months probably makes the most sense for something long-term but with their 'days being numbered'.

Arthur has a dimension that includes at least 2-3 starry skies. When calculating, should we use only one or can it be used as multiple?

 

[FinePoint]

Arthur has a dimension that includes at least 2-3 starry skies. When calculating, should we use only one or can it be used as multiple?

I wouldn't know, since I'm not a Calc Group member.

My gut tells me just one, though.

 

[Jey-kun52]

I wouldn't know, since I'm not a Calc Group member.

My gut tells me just one, though.

I asked because they're all different dimensions, but maybe I don't know exactly. Let me correct my misunderstanding there: they're all different dimensions, and we have a timeframe of 5-6 months to create a dimension with 2-3 stary skies in about 5-6 months. I think it should be added, but it's their discretion.

Or can we use the minimum required of 2 star skies and the maximum timeframe of 6 months as the basis and use the 3 month timeframe for the 1 star sky as the ratio?

Do you know anyone who can answer this question?

 

[Bossbrosish]

I asked because they're all different dimensions, but maybe I don't know exactly. Let me correct my misunderstanding there: they're all different dimensions, and we have a timeframe of 5-6 months to create a dimension with 2-3 stary skies in about 5-6 months. I think it should be added, but it's their discretion.

Or can we use the minimum required of 2 star skies and the maximum timeframe of 6 months as the basis and use the 3 month timeframe for the 1 star sky as the ratio?

Do you know anyone who can answer this question?

Should try asking Damage and see if he responds or some other calc member.

 

[Makai641001]

It's usually dead coz the thread usually sucks. Think about it, you basically had to take over this thread and come up with new points for the op. In fact you outright told the admin to ignore the op as it's full of bad arguments. This means without your presence this is a thread most admins won't even take serious. That should explain why a lot of these threads go inactive

Yeah that’s fair

Anyways personally I'm fine with the 16 years or 6month time frame. Either is okay. At least rn in a vacuum, who scales to it asides from Arthur is a separate issue in of itself

Actually mb it’s 5 month for CBL apparently.

I think it’s a bit of a lowball but it would be 4-B anyway.

Regarding who scales, people that scale to Arthur would get the rating

 

[Jey-kun52]

Should try asking Damage and see if he responds or some other calc member.

there is no problem about tag him right?

 

[Bossbrosish]

there is no problem about tag him right?

I don't think you'd be able to tag him since only staff can.

 

[Jey-kun52]

I don't think you'd be able to tag him since only staff can.

Oh alr then ım waiting him

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Oh alr then ım waiting him

U can type on his wall

 

[Jey-kun52]

U can type on his wall

I know ım just lazy

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bumping

 

[Makai641001]

I don't have any ideas for that at the moment.

Bump

We have enough staff votes.
The 5 month timeframe seems to be the favorite.

Should we calc the creation using 1 or multiple starry skies ?

 

[Makai641001]

Bump

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bump

 

[Makai641001]

It seems like Damage isn’t interested in this anymore.

Let’s lowball and use 1 starry sky and 5 months (4-B) we have enough staff agreements ig this can be closed unless anyone has anything to say.

 

[Bossbrosish]

It seems like Damage isn’t interested in this anymore.

Let’s lowball and use 1 starry sky and 5 months (4-B) we have enough staff agreements ig this can be closed unless anyone has anything to say.

So what would be the AP and who is this scaling too again?

 

[Jey-kun52]

So what would be the AP and who is this scaling too again?

I think it would be basic terafoe

 

[Jey-kun52]

This time let's not forget to scale 4koa base meliodas and lancelot, maybe also 7ds members, but for this we need to make 4koa profiles (The reason for being base meliodas is that he dodged many chaos attacks in his base state / did not take damage, and at the same time Arthur tells Lancelot that he is not at Meliodas' level, who is bullying chaos. If we scale Meliodas' strongest form, it would be inconsistent.

Edit: I thought it would be fair for only Meliodas to scale, otherwise this scaling will be a chain. 7ds members will never happen, I'm not sure about Lancelot, maybe he should be scaled too

 

[karo_senpaii]

It seems like Damage isn’t interested in this anymore.

Let’s lowball and use 1 starry sky and 5 months (4-B) we have enough staff agreements ig this can be closed unless anyone has anything to say.

You have 2 staff votes not 3.

This time let's not forget to scale 4koa base meliodas and lancelot, maybe also 7ds members, but for this we need to make 4koa profiles (The reason for being base meliodas is that he dodged many chaos attacks in his base state / did not take damage, and at the same time Arthur tells Lancelot that he is not at Meliodas' level, who is bullying chaos. If we scale Meliodas' strongest form, it would be inconsistent.

Edit: I thought it would be fair for only Meliodas to scale, otherwise this scaling will be a chain. 7ds members will never happen, I'm not sure about Lancelot, maybe he should be scaled too

No . Considering authur is fine against dm2 Mel I don't see why base Mel would scale. Only person that could scale possibly is lancelot

 

[Jey-kun52]

No . Considering authur is fine against dm2 Mel I don't see why base Mel would scale. Only person that could scale possibly is lancelot

I say this to be consistent, my dear brother
If you read Chapters 76-78, Meliodas initially uses dm3, but when Arthur transforms into Chaos form, Meliodas doesn't take damage from base attacks and can easily keep up and suppress them. Similarly, Arthur confirms this, saying to Tristan, "If it weren't for you, your father wouldn't have taken damage, and I would have been in a bad situation." After this, he similarly tells Lancelot that he's not on the same level as Meliodas, and even far below him. Since Arthur, who has seen Meliodas in dm3 or dm2 at most, has come to this conclusion, putting dm2 Meliodas and Lancelot in the same bracket wouldn't be consistent in terms of feats or stats. Don't worry, since Meliodas can't have another action scene, no one will be scaled to his x4 multiplier form, so this is perfectly fine.

Edit: I also suggest scaling 7ds members with 4koa profiles to the 5A, because Chaos scales to the at least 5A. Similarly, 7ds members are scaring Chaos away just by their existence. (after fighting Meliodas and Lancelot Chaos). Do you think that's fair?

 

[karo_senpaii]

See I'm not an expert in 4koa, I haven't invested as much time in it as the original series. It's just the anime I watched and the little I saw it seems base authur is different than when using chaos power

 

[Jey-kun52]

Damn I'm so smart I'm improving the power difference between Base Arthur and Chaos Form

 

[Jey-kun52]

Jokes aside, I think so, we can discuss it if you want. I'm in favor of doing it completely while I'm doing it. The problem with the verse page is that nothing is complete.

 

[Makai641001]

You have 2 staff votes not 3

I thought 2 was enough when a consensus is reached

No . Considering authur is fine against dm2 Mel I don't see why base Mel would scale. Only person that could scale possibly is lancelot

Meli only used DM to throw his trillion Dark else Arthur stated that the only reason why he damaged him was due to Tristan.

Lancelot is stated to fall short of Meliodas lvl, the sins are considered as a threat to Chaos Arthur as stated by himself.