Anu Rework for a big TES CRT in the future.

[Re5yh]

SO I was working on a specivic character that I'm working at. I wanted to update Anu since he is tier 0 and since we can't have two Tier 0s, Maybe you can help me on what to do for it.

My sandboxes:

Re5yh/anu

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Re5yh/Padomay

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Pages that I'm reworking on:

1. Anu
2. Padomay (Will work on this later since bro has a lot of hax)
3. Satakal (Will be readded)
4. The Amaranth (Planning to delete this since it caused a lot of brainrot on social media)

 

[Re5yh]

Bump

 

[Keeweed]

The very summary for the Amaranth has two reasons he can’t be tier 0 “
Through the actions of the Missing God of Change, Lorkhan, and later on the teachings of Vivec, the pathway to the formation of a New Dreamer could be created, one who would create a Dream of Love, which would be seen not as a Prison, but as a Home to all things, wherein all would rejoice in Freedom, and perceive the Godhead just as it perceives them.

Ultimately, the New Amaranth”

There is a new one, and the last one was interacted with and replaced. That is literally all three of the biggest anti feats for tier 0 committed in a row.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

There is a new one, and the last one was interacted with and replaced.

To which never happens as I quoted

 

[Keeweed]

To which never happens as I quoted

As quoted to what? The profile literally says he got replaced and the story makes zero sense if this is metaphorical since this actually has an effect for everyone in the series.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

As said here. The Amaranth does not replace or interact with Anu. You simple we slide out in create a new dream by taking the images from the first dreamer and creating your own theme. That’s it. So you’re not replacing it, nor interacting with it, and it’s still derivative of the first dreamer as they take images from it.


Also, the Godhead is not a synthesis of existence and nonexistence. Those are subgradients. The void which is likely the first emanation has more modes of existence than stasis and change and Anu and Padomay embody the IS and IS-NOT. So the Godhead would be completely beyond the notions

 

[Keeweed]

If the dreamer is on the same level of existence as the first dreamer than that is an anti feat to tier 0. Since you can’t ascend to, or make, a tier 0. Ignoring it can’t be a fully unrelated dream since everyone from the last one is in the new one. The story makes no sense if these are just copies of the original

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

More like slide out from the cosmos to become a new one. A splitting of hairs, maybe, but the Amaranth is the hardest concept I've ever attempted, so I'm a bit picky about it.Anyone that can make the final jump goes to sleep and dreams forever, making a new cosmos and being each new part of it, watching as those new parts wake up within him/her, their actualizing children, some of which naturally rebel, but love begets love which is the Amaranth.

I will say that, CHIM or not, there is no evidence that either Talos nor Vehk achieved Amaranth. If they did, Tamriel would be in their rearview mirror. The Amaranth deserves its own topic, really. Its core concept is the most divisive among the mystics, in my opinion.

There’s nothing that says you “replace” them at all. I’m not sure where you even got that from.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

If the dreamer is on the same level of existence as the first dreamer than that is an anti feat to tier 0. Since you can’t ascend to, or make, a tier 0. Ignoring it can’t be a fully unrelated dream since everyone from the last one is in the new one. The story makes no sense if these are just copies of the original

That’s exactly what it is. They take images from the first dreamer and form their own theme. But you’re not overthrowing the dreamer. I have no idea why that’s even an argument like he’s just some king sitting on the throne. I also don’t see where you got this idea that everyone is going to be a part of it. It states that their children, actualize and likely from the images taken just a little different this time. I would truly love to see some quotes for where you’re getting these notions from.

 

[Keeweed]

I say replace because that interview doesn’t match Vivec goal or the story at all. If it is an entirely unrelated dream then Vivec had no point to do anything and it doesn’t match the new dream continuing from where the current one is at.

Though taking that interview as super seeding the entire ending of Coda. It’s still Vivec making a tier 0 which is not tier 0. Vivec’s kid ascended to be a dreamer, you can’t do that to be tier 0, you have to have already been tier 0 to begin with

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Also, Satakal is literally just Anu and Padomay merged as he Redguards don’t see a reason to separate them (and they’re right because they’re the same ‘entity’). So making a profile on “Anu and Padomay 2.0” is practically useless.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

I say replace because that interview doesn’t match Vivec goal or the story at all. If it is an entirely unrelated dream then Vivec had no point to do anything and it doesn’t match the new dream continuing from where the current one is at.

Though taking that interview as super seeding the entire ending of Cota. It’s still Vivec making a tier 0 which is not tier 0. Vivec’s kid ascended to be a dreamer, you can’t do that to be tier 0, you have to have already been tier 0 to begin with

Again. I would like to see actual quotes for this/scans. A tier 0 would not be derivative of anything else. As I said, Vivec’s amarnath had to take images from the first dreamer. Meaning it’s still derivative off ANU. (Not Anu.)

 

[Keeweed]

The fact it can take anything to derivative from it means it interacted with it and ascended to the position rather than always having been. Which contradicts tier 0

 

[Re5yh]

There can only be one Tier 0 in a verse. read this page for answers:

Omnipotence

Omnipotence, in its most common composition, is defined as the ability do to all things. It is usually accompanied by other attributes – Omnipresence and Omniscience. In more analytic terms, Omnipotence might be formulated as "X is Omnipotent iff, should X will a certain state-of-affairs Y, Y...

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[FaxNovuuuuu]

The fact it can take anything to derivative from it means it interacted with it and ascended to the position rather than always having been. Which contradicts tier 0

By that logic, nothing that’s the source of existence can be tier 0. Simply because it’s the source of existence. Everything comes from the Godhead. By that logic, we should just erase the tier all together. You’re not interacting with the source it’s self, but it’s creations. That’s what the images mean.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

There can only be one Tier 0 in a verse. read this page for answers:

Omnipotence

Omnipotence, in its most common composition, is defined as the ability do to all things. It is usually accompanied by other attributes – Omnipresence and Omniscience. In more analytic terms, Omnipotence might be formulated as "X is Omnipotent iff, should X will a certain state-of-affairs Y, Y...

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My boy. At least understand my argument before linking this because I don’t even think you understand what I’m proposing.

 

[Keeweed]

By that logic, nothing that’s the source of existence can be tier 0. Simply because it’s the source of existence. Everything comes from the Godhead. By that logic, we should just erase the tier all together. You’re not interacting with the source it’s self, but it’s creations. That’s what the images mean.

Tier 0 is supposed to be hard to get. If he naturally was the godhead and always was then he would be tier 0, but he specifically had to forced into the position, and was created and ascended to the position, which are all big nos

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Tier 0 is supposed to be hard to get. If he naturally was the godhead and always was then he would be tier 0, but he specifically had to forced into the position with a big no

What are even on about? Do you think I’m saying Vivec and Jubal are tier 0? No. I’m saying that the First Dreamer is tier 0 as contrary to what you’ve been arguing, he was not replaced or overthrown or interacted with. But Vivec and Jubal simply rose to a level beyond plurality and stole images from the first dreamer, and like the quotes said, emanated their own cosmos akin to splitting of hairs. But the two of them are still reliant on the first dreamer. As I argued. So you could argue if they would not be boundless. It would be like saying that the Monad can’t be boundless because Barbelo exists, not knowing she/he is reliant on him and one with him as well.

 

[Re5yh]

As far that I understood, I would love if Anu is the Godhead, but since I found this video from Matt's TES Cosmology, It makes that Anu is a lesser being than the Tier 0 Godhead. (The Chains that you see at the start of the video are a numer of infinite LITERAL Amaranths). This is what I can proof to you guys that ANU can't reach tier 0.

 

[Keeweed]

“But Vivec and Jubal simply rose to a level beyond plurality and stole images from the first dreamer”

That “simply” is the biggest contradiction to tier 0 possible! They interacted with the first dreamer and forcefully ascended something into a dreamer.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

As far that I understood, I would love if Anu is the Godhead, but since I found this video from Matt's TES Cosmology, It makes that Anu is a lesser being than the Tier 0 Godhead. (The Chains that you see at the start of the video are a numer of infinite LITERAL Amaranths). This is what I can proof to you guys that ANU can't reach tier 0.

A fan made video?

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

“But Vivec and Jubal simply rose to a level beyond plurality and stole images from the first dreamer”

That “simply” is the biggest contradiction to tier 0 possible! They interacted with the first dreamer and forcefully ascended something into a dreamer.

The images are not the dreamer…

 

[Keeweed]

It’s from the dreamer. It’s something from the dreamer that allowed someone to ascend to it. And dreamers can’t be it’s not a part of it since the quote says they are strands from it. They stole something significant enough to make something ascend to it. Something that had a beginning which a tier 0 can’t have either.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

It’s from the dreamer. It’s something from the dreamer that allowed someone to ascend to it. And dreamers can’t be it’s not a part of it since the quote says they are strands from it. They stole something significant enough to make something ascend to it. Something that had a beginning which a tier 0 can’t have either.

Everything is “from” the dreamer. I don’t understand what your point is from this. The dreamer is the source of existence. Using the source of existence to form your own cosmos is not an anti-feat for the source. By the same line of reasoning, you can stretch just say that if anyone does anything within the dream, then therefore, you’re interacting with it. It doesn’t make any sense because the dreamer is not the same thing as its emanations.

 

[Keeweed]

The point is something from the non tier 0 in a verse can’t get something to become tier 0. It must be the tier 0 giving it to them or the character accepting the fact they were actually the tier 0 the whole time and just going back to being it. Neither of this happens, Vivic takes its imagine and uses that to forcefully make a tier 0. That is against tier 0

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

The point is something from the non tier 0 in a verse can’t get something to become tier 0. It must be the tier 0 giving it to them or the character accepting the fact they were actually the tier 0 the whole time and just going back to being it. Neither of this happens, Vivic takes its imagine and uses that to forcefully make a tier 0. That is against tier 0

Why must I explain that I’m not even arguing that Jubal and vivec are tier 0 again? I’m strictly talking about the first dreamer. Besides, that’s exactly what’s going on. What do you think CHIM is? The verse is heavily based on Gnosticism. CHIM is like gnosis and Hinduism and what not. They all have divine Sparks within them that emanated downwards. The whole point of CHIM is realizing that multiplicity is essentially a lie as well as duality and that you’re one with everything around you yet you still assert your individuality, which gives you great control. So that’s exactly what’s going on. Which is it’s another reason why I say that Vivec’s amaranth is still contingent upon the first dreamer. They don’t surpass overthrow, or even be equal to it. Because they’re still contingent upon it.

 

[Keeweed]

The dreamers are part of the first dreamer. If they aren’t tier 0 it isn’t tier 0 either.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Incoherent. Everything is within a tier 0. If anything was outside of them and they wouldn’t qualify.

 

[Keeweed]

I mean they are strands and deviations of the first dreamer, they are actual parts of the first dreamer directly

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

I mean they are strands and deviations of the first dreamer, they are actual parts of the first dreamer directly

The dreamer doesn’t have literal parts but as I said, everything comes from them. Saying that the ineffable source of existence, transcendent of existence and nonexistence and plurality and all other concepts being source of everything… and then saying that it can’t be tier 0 because its the source of all … likeeee. Yeah no. The whole cosmological structure is literally dreams within dreams and structures within structures and stories within stories. The first dreamer isn’t reliant on anyone, but everything is reliant on it. That’s the whole purpose of a tier 0.

 

[Keeweed]

It’s not that he reliant on anyone that is the issue, it’s the fact something can reach his level of existence forcefully is an issue. The fact Vivec can get any aspect of its being, such as its imagine, is an issue, the fact that a new dream can even happen is an issue. They are specifically part of the first dreamer, your scan says that, they are a dreamer in the same way he is.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

It’s not that he reliant on anyone that is the issue, it’s the fact something can reach his level of existence forcefully is an issue. The fact Vivec can get any aspect of its being, such as its imagine, is an issue, the fact that a new dream can even happen is an issue. They are specifically part of the first dreamer, your scan says that, they are a dreamer in the same way he is.

And this was already addressed. I already told you that the verse is based on Gnosticism, Hinduism, and Thelema. Everyone or at least mortals have a divine spark within them that comes from that higher state. AE. I even told you that was the whole point of being a ruling King is to realize that multiplicity and duality were essentially nonexistent,and were simply illusions. Everything is one with totality. But the ruling king search their individuality nonetheless. So your argument is handled by your own admission, because you admitted that this issue would be solved if this was the case, and it is. You’re acting like he just use some super Saiyan transformation instead of like I said him having a divine Sparks and cultivated it to reach that level by realizing that same Epiphany of oneness and non-duality. All he did was obtain gnosis to rise throughout the hierarchy and eventually return to that primal state. But like I said, he’s still contingent upon the first dreamer. Do you honestly think they’re making two ineffable sources of existence now? Or do you think he just returns to that from everything I’ve said? He doesn’t overthrow the dreamer. He doesn’t replace him.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

Scan for the divine sparks (based on Gnosticism). so yeah. This doesn’t break anything and you can’t really argue against it because the whole new tier 0 is literally based on the monad from Gnosticism and Neoplatonism, from which divine Sparks emanate from. Unless of course you want to completely make a CRT and reshape the entire tiering system.

 

[Keeweed]

But he didn’t use that alone to make it to being a dreamer. Vivec got imagines from the first dreamer and then the new dreamer became a dreamer rather than always having been one.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

But he didn’t use that alone to make it to being a dreamer. Vivec got imagines from the first dreamer and then the new dreamer became a dreamer rather than always having been one.

Which reinforces my point that the First Dreamer remains the self sufficient and ultimate source and would remain tier 0. The images are literally just the Aurbis most likely. Taking the image of the cosmology is not the same thing as affecting the dreamer itself. So all of your points have been addressed. Because once again, I am not arguing that Vivec is Tier 0. ONLY the first dreamer.

 

[Keeweed]

It does the opposite because Vivec got something from it, it’s their imagines. You can’t do anything with a tier 0, it can only ever do something to you. Also your quote from the writer directly says he is a dreamer in the same way as the first, same as our current profile says.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

It does the opposite because Vivec got something from it, it’s their imagines. You can’t do anything with a tier 0, it can only ever do something to you. Also your quote from the writer directly says he is a dreamer in the same was as the first, same as our current profile

Say it with me now:

Taking the images of the cosmology is not the same as taking something from the Source itself. By the same logic, any similar character would be disqualified simply because you can affect the cosmology beneath them that they emanated. Taking an image of the Aurbis is not effecting the dreamer. You’re simply just taking the image of something and actualizing it in another subsequent cosmos, yet still contingent upon the dreamer.

 

[Keeweed]

The thing he took was significant enough it made the new dreamer a dreamer. It’s not a dreamer on its own.

 

[FaxNovuuuuu]

The thing he took was significant enough it made the new dreamer a dreamer. It’s not a dreamer on its own.

Not it wasn’t. Because he didn’t take anything from the source. He only took something that was emanated. That would be like saying that The Monad can’t be boundless because Yaldabaoth created the material world, and is still reliant on the monad. It’s completely nonsensical. Because he doesn’t affect the monad itself. It’s the same here. Vivec only takes from something much lesser than itself. The aurbis. I honestly don’t understand why you’re arguing taking images from a manifest structure is the same as somehow taking from the ineffable and unmanifest structure, completely transcendent above it and all other concepts. It’s completely nonsensical. You’re not taking anything from the source or even affecting it.

 

[Keeweed]

Missing my point there. The new dreamer needed that to become tier 0, meaning none of this is tier 0 to begin with.