King of Curses vs King of the Monsters: Godzilla (Minus One) vs Sukuna

[That_moron2]

Speed equal, starting distance is 100 meters. 3 finger Sukuna and post nuke Godzilla is used. SBA otherwise.

Godzilla: 7 (@Arceus0x, @Arkansalter2, @Kavopaco, @TyranoDoom30, @EnderLord8, @Oiguana2701, @XSOULOFCINDERX)

Sukuna: 3 (@Bimbitesthedust, @Insert_creative_name_here_12, @That_moron2)

Incon:

 

[Arceus0x]

So Sukuna has fear hax that make the opponent move instinctively

Godzilla shoots

Nuke moment

GG?

 

[That_moron2]

So Sukuna has fear hax that make the opponent move instinctively

Godzilla shoots

Nuke moment

GG?

Does Sukuna even have to let him charge it?

 

[Arceus0x]

Does Sukuna even have to let him charge it?

would he know that Godzilla is even using it? Would he know how dangerous it is?
Cause if he doesn't then Godzilla's mid-high regen should give him enough time to charge it past any attack and just nuke him.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Unless Sukuna leads with Malevolent Shrine off the rip, Zilla would prob just Breath nuke.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

 

[That_moron2]

would he know that Godzilla is even using it? Would he know how dangerous it is?
Cause if he doesn't then Godzilla's mid-high regen should give him enough time to charge it past any attack and just nuke him.

The glowing dorsal fins make it pretty obvious that he's about to do something big

 

[Arceus0x]

The glowing dorsal fins make it pretty obvious that he's about to do something big

Doesn't matter. I doubt he'd feel the full power of it due to lack of cursed or any energy at all for Godzilla and whilst he may expect something and think of dodging, he would still get nuked you know. His abilities play against him here.

 

[Catbowtie]

Godzilla has the Cursed Energy of some regular ahh animal. Why would he think Godzilla is dangerous when it barely has any good CE?

Sukuna tries to face-tank the nuke to aura farm and gets incinerated.

 

[That_moron2]

Doesn't matter. I doubt he'd feel the full power of it due to lack of cursed or any energy at all for Godzilla and whilst he may expect something and think of dodging, he would still get nuked you know. His abilities play against him here.

Every living thing has CE. Its the same as how we assume living things have souls.

Godzilla has the Cursed Energy of some regular ahh animal. Why would he think Godzilla is dangerous when it barely has any good CE?

Sukuna tries to face-tank the nuke to aura farm and gets incinerated.

Why would Sukuna think that the giant ******* lizard is in any way normal

 

[LaserPrecision]

So Sukuna has fear hax that make the opponent move instinctively

Godzilla shoots

Nuke moment

GG?

The movement in question is bowing and surrendering to him. Not attacking.

 

[Kavopaco]

Following

 

[Catbowtie]

Why would Sukuna think that the giant ******* lizard is in any way normal

Cursed Spirit or however Sukuna rationalizes it in his brain.

Every living thing has CE. Its the same as how we assume living things have souls.

Yes, it is assumed characters have the same amount of CE as a regular human in JJK does, which is why Sukuna will get obliterated because he won't think Godzilla is dangerous at all.

The movement in question is bowing and surrendering to him. Not attacking.

The movement is to do whatever it takes to survive. At that point in time, Geto's children did whatever Sukuna said to survive, which was to bow.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Every living thing has CE. Its the same as how we assume living things have souls.

Godzilla would be assumed to have CE, yeah, but only the amount a normal living being would have. Not a Sorcerers level of CE.

But yes, I agree Sukuna wouldn't just stand there if he saw a massive lizard the size of buildings clearly charging up an attack. Even normal people would know Godzilla is charging something. That's not a genius level iq feat or anything. It's common sense.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yes, it is assumed characters have the same amount of CE as a regular human in JJK does, which is why Sukuna will get obliterated because he won't think Godzilla is dangerous at all.

I doubt he will think Godzilla is weak because he has a normal amount of Cursed Energy when he's seen Maki. Maki USED to have Cursed Energy, but it was less than even the average person had, and yet she was fighting on a Grade 1 level. Then ofc she removed her remaining CE and was even stronger.

There's also the fact that Sukuna will attack Godzilla and feel how durable he is, and it then becomes quite obvious how strong Godzilla is.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The movement is to do whatever it takes to survive. At that point in time, Geto's children did whatever Sukuna said to survive, which was to bow.

We've never seen anyone take any other movements to survive. Geto's daughters and Jogo both obeyed him without question, and ONLY attacked him AFTER Sukuna ordered Jogo to fight him. Panda, Kusakabe, and Geto's other affiliates also froze without Sukuna saying anything when he pulled up on them during the meteor, and THEN ordered them to only move when he said to move. Uro got so scared she immediately left before he showed up. Ryu got scared, froze up, and before he could attack got cut up.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Either Sukuna leads with M. Shrine or he gets incinerated. Considering that Sukuna won't lead with that, especially at this point of time, I'm going with Zilla low diff.

 

[LaserPrecision]

What if Sukuna started by like, I dunno, decapitating Godzilla with a Dismantle? Godzilla has the Regen to recover from that yeah, I agree. But can he fire his Atomic Breath with a missing head? And how long would it take Godzilla to regenerate their head after that? Cuz that would give Sukuna plenty of time to wait on him if it's not instant.

 

[Arceus0x]

What if Sukuna started by like, I dunno, decapitating Godzilla with a Dismantle? Godzilla has the Regen to recover from that yeah, I agree. But can he fire his Atomic Breath with a missing head? And how long would it take Godzilla to regenerate their head after that? Cuz that would give Sukuna plenty of time to wait on him if it's not instant.

Would he be able to dismantle him that fast? Does he have the range on dismantle that high?

 

[Catbowtie]

I doubt he will think Godzilla is weak because he has a normal amount of Cursed Energy when he's seen Maki. Maki USED to have Cursed Energy, but it was less than even the average person had, and yet she was fighting on a Grade 1 level. Then ofc she removed her remaining CE and was even stronger.

There's also the fact that Sukuna will attack Godzilla and feel how durable he is, and it then becomes quite obvious how strong Godzilla is.

Comparing Maki to Godzilla does not work here. Maki is a rare anomaly within her own verse and Sukuna needed extensive prior knowledge over her condition to understand why she isn't weak. Godzilla is an skyscraper-sized animal with an average amount of CE. Explain how Sukuna sees Godzilla and immediately makes a comparison between Godzilla and Maki without anything telling him that Godzilla works on the same system of logic as Maki? It's a big leap in logic for him, especially when Sukuna would have to immediately disregard his entire verse's central Power System of "More Cursed Energy means a generally stronger opponent."

We've never seen anyone take any other movements to survive. Geto's daughters and Jogo both obeyed him without question, and ONLY attacked him AFTER Sukuna ordered Jogo to fight him. Panda, Kusakabe, and Geto's other affiliates also froze without Sukuna saying anything when he pulled up on them during the meteor, and THEN ordered them to only move when he said to move. Uro got so scared she immediately left before he showed up. Ryu got scared, froze up, and before he could attack got cut up.

Everyone responds to fear differently. Nanako and Ryu demonstrates that a person affected with Sukuna's Fear Hax still has the capacity to make decisions and move in accordance with those decisions. Nanako tried to fight Sukuna after he turned her best friend to paste with Dismantle. Ryu, after feeling Sukuna's Aura, goes all the way towards Sukuna's location and tries to fight him. There's also cases of Sukuna just...not using Fear Hax on fodder. So while Sukuna's Fear Aura can cause someone to seize up in fear, the effect is temporary and dissipates quite quickly. Godzilla should have no problem with Sukuna's Fear Hax.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Would he be able to dismantle him that fast? Does he have the range on dismantle that high?

Dismantle has always been instant, even from the perspective of character's on his level. Only one who ever dodged it was one of the most skilled characters in the verse with precog (Maki). And he can do it without a gesture, or with a simple hand gesture.

Also yes, Dismantle has that sort of range:

Mahoraga after copying Sukuna's Dismantle:

Tbh, I should prolly calc these. But the first one in particular seems like it'd be in the hundred meter or so range. Even if he wasn't, it'd take like, 1 leap and he'd be in range and just decapitate Godzilla.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Comparing Maki to Godzilla does not work here. Maki is a rare anomaly within her own verse and Sukuna needed extensive prior knowledge over her condition to understand why she isn't weak. Godzilla is an skyscraper-sized animal with an average amount of CE. Explain how Sukuna sees Godzilla and immediately makes a comparison between Godzilla and Maki without anything telling him that Godzilla works on the same system of logic as Maki? It's a big leap in logic for him, especially when Sukuna would have to immediately disregard his entire verse's central Power System of "More Cursed Energy means a generally stronger opponent."

My point was that by this point he knows about the existence of character's with great strength for how little CE they possess. And his opponent is a very unusual enemy. A massive lizard who clearly isn't a Curse (He can tell that based on CE). Even if you wanted to argue he wouldn't know, he would know when he hits Godzilla and sees how resilient he is compared to a normal human. It will then becomes clear that they don't have normal human level durability (If that somehow wasn't obvious from its size...)

Everyone responds to fear differently. Nanako and Ryu demonstrates that a person affected with Sukuna's Fear Hax still has the capacity to make decisions and move in accordance with those decisions. Nanako tried to fight Sukuna after he turned her best friend to paste with Dismantle. Ryu, after feeling Sukuna's Aura, goes all the way towards Sukuna's location and tries to fight him. There's also cases of Sukuna just...not using Fear Hax on fodder. So while Sukuna's Fear Aura can cause someone to seize up in fear, the effect is temporary and dissipates quite quickly. Godzilla should have no problem with Sukuna's Fear Hax.

I think you misunderstood why I brought up fear hax. Not because I think Sukuna will use it, but because I don't think Godzilla's immediate reaction to getting fear haxed is nuking everything. Because someone else brought it up.

 

[Arceus0x]

Dismantle has always been instant, even from the perspective of character's on his level. Only one who ever dodged it was one of the most skilled characters in the verse with precog (Maki). And he can do it without a gesture, or with a simple hand gesture.

Also yes, Dismantle has that sort of range:

Mahoraga after copying Sukuna's Dismantle:

Tbh, I should prolly calc these. But the first one in particular seems like it'd be in the hundred meter or so range. Even if he wasn't, it'd take like, 1 leap and he'd be in range and just decapitate Godzilla.

That's for many fingered sukuna though. Does his dismantle have that range in his Yuji 3 finger body form?

 

[LaserPrecision]

That's for many fingered sukuna though. Does his dismantle have that range in his Yuji 3 finger body form?

I don't think it's ever said his range increases the more fingers he has. Maybe I'm misremembering, but that should remain constant through all iterations. His keys all have the same range for a reason after all.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Doesn't Minus One Goji passively irradiate everything around him like a bunch of the more 54-esque variants of Goji do? Wouldn't that make Sukuna really sick the longer he sticks around, let alone MO Goji's disease shenanigans. Also that regen is gonna be tough to crack. Even if he had Fuga, his much weaker dinosaurs self survived a literal nuke with an inferior healing factor so I don't think that would help him much.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Doesn't Minus One Goji passively irradiate everything around him like a bunch of the more 54-esque variants of Goji do? Wouldn't that make Sukuna really sick the longer he sticks around, let alone MO Goji's disease shenanigans. Also that regen is gonna be tough to crack. Even if he had Fuga, his much weaker dinosaurs self survived a literal nuke with an inferior healing factor so I don't think that would help him much.

This Goji can come back from being vaporized? Then yeah, they def win, lmao.

 

[That_moron2]

This Goji can come back from being vaporized? Then yeah, they def win, lmao.

It was more like being turned to a lump of flesh from the description in the novel, but the bomb he endured had a higher yield than Fuga. I think Sukuna can at least incapacitate him with Fuga though.

 

[LaserPrecision]

It was more like being turned to a lump of flesh from the description in the novel, but the bomb he endured had a higher yield than Fuga. I think Sukuna can at least incapacitate him with Fuga though.

That doesn't really make sense. Malevolent Shrine will turn Godzilla into fine dust particles, and fuga vaporizes everything caught inside of it. Godzilla wouldn't be chunks, he would be gas.

 

[Arceus0x]

Remember seeing a calc recently that got Goji's breath to 136 million celcius so that's gonna be revised soon. Also i mean it literally causes a nuke, happens inside Godzilla and he survives it. Also, again Sukuna wouldn't lead with DE and Godzilla would lead with beam because of fear hax

 

[LaserPrecision]

Remember seeing a calc recently that got Goji's breath to 136 million celcius so that's gonna be revised soon. Also i mean it literally causes a nuke, happens inside Godzilla and he survives it. Also, again Sukuna wouldn't lead with DE and Godzilla would lead with beam because of fear hax

1. The explanation I gave was if he resorts to using Divine Flame. He's not using that without opening Malevolent Shrine first. But even so, Malevolent Shrine cuts things up into dust particles, and then the dust particles that were matted with Cursed Energy detonate. Every particle left of Godzilla would combust leaving like nothing behind and vaporizing him even ignoring the heat.
2. Sukuna isn't constantly using fear hax (And in most fights he doesn't). But even if he does, is there proof Godzilla leads with beam when fear haxed? If not, why are we assuming that?

I think Sukuna decapitates Godzilla for his first move. Sees him regenerating, and then starts cutting him up more for fun.

 

[Catbowtie]

My point was that by this point he knows about the existence of character's with great strength for how little CE they possess. And his opponent is a very unusual enemy. A massive lizard who clearly isn't a Curse (He can tell that based on CE). Even if you wanted to argue he wouldn't know, he would know when he hits Godzilla and sees how resilient he is compared to a normal human. It will then becomes clear that they don't have normal human level durability (If that somehow wasn't obvious from its size...)

Being big, in shape or form, has never implied being a strong opponent in Jujutsu Kaisen. It's all about how much Cursed Energy an opponent has. Godzilla's size may tell Sukuna it's an unusual creature, but it ultimately comes down to how much CE Godzilla has. Which is, Sukuna senses Godzilla's CE is absolute booty cheeks. Actually, now that I think of it, has 3 Finger Sukuna ever been disproven that Maki is weak simply because she has less Cursed Energy? It doesn't seem like Sukuna has a frame of reference to compare Godzilla to.

Your statements also seemingly contradict each other in the narratives you are proposing. Earlier, you said this:

Even if he wasn't, it'd take like, 1 leap and he'd be in range and just decapitate Godzilla.

But right then after say "It will then becomes clear [to Sukuna] that they [Godzilla] don't have normal human level durability." How do these two events co-exist with one another? Either Sukuna one-shots Godzilla with Dismantle and confirms his internal biases, or doesn't one-shot, and realizes Godzilla is more resilient (I assume you mean "more durable") than he expected. Regardless, Godzilla having above human level durability does not disqualify it from being seen as weak by Sukuna. Having above normal human level durability can be 9-A, or it can be 8-C. Tiers that 8-B Sukuna can easily one shot. Sukuna isn't going to compare Godzilla to regular humans to determine whether or not Godzilla is strong, because if we were to use that logic, Sukuna would go around thinking everyone is "unusual." Instead, Sukuna is going to see if Godzilla is strong by sensing Cursed Energy and how Godzilla performs in battle. Godzilla being stronger regular humans actually does not matter to Sukuna when he is determining if someone is strong or unusual.

What does Sukuna thinking Godzilla is unusual do here anyways? Sukuna is thinking on the logic of "More Cursed Energy = Stronger Opponent." It's not going to make Sukuna more cautious, because Godzilla still has average amounts of Cursed Energy, regardless of how abnormal Godzilla is.

I think you misunderstood why I brought up fear hax. Not because I think Sukuna will use it, but because I don't think Godzilla's immediate reaction to getting fear haxed is nuking everything. Because someone else brought it up.

That's...exactly what would happen if a borderline animalistic creature is provoked, and I understood you very well. I am saying that either way, Godzilla first move will be to nuke Sukuna.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Being big, in shape or form, has never implied being a strong opponent in Jujutsu Kaisen. It's all about how much Cursed Energy an opponent has. Godzilla's size may tell Sukuna it's an unusual creature, but it ultimately comes down to how much CE Godzilla has. Which is, Sukuna senses Godzilla's CE is absolute booty cheeks. Actually, now that I think of it, has 3 Finger Sukuna ever been disproven that Maki is weak simply because she has less Cursed Energy? It doesn't seem like Sukuna has a frame of reference to compare Godzilla to.

I'm referring to GPE. Physics would dictate the larger you are, the "stronger" you are. Godzilla's way bigger than a person. He's going to be a lot stronger than a normal person. That's all I was getting at. Sukuna has Yuji's memories and can see what he sees. Yuji knows Maki is strong by the time he has 3 fingers IIRC. On top of the fact that Yuji himself was very physically strong when he couldn't use CE. I'll reply to this next bit and then make my position clear since there seems to be a bit of fog in regards to that.

But right then after say "It will then becomes clear [to Sukuna] that they [Godzilla] don't have normal human level durability." How do these two events co-exist with one another? Either Sukuna one-shots Godzilla with Dismantle and confirms his internal biases, or doesn't one-shot, and realizes Godzilla is more resilient (I assume you mean "more durable") than he expected. Regardless, Godzilla having above human level durability does not disqualify it from being seen as weak by Sukuna. Having above normal human level durability can be 9-A, or it can be 8-C. Tiers that 8-B Sukuna can easily one shot. Sukuna isn't going to compare Godzilla to regular humans to determine whether or not Godzilla is strong, because if we were to use that logic, Sukuna would go around thinking everyone is "unusual." Instead, Sukuna is going to see if Godzilla is strong by sensing Cursed Energy and how Godzilla performs in battle. Godzilla being stronger regular humans actually does not matter to Sukuna when he is determining if someone is strong or unusual.

What does Sukuna thinking Godzilla is unusual do here anyways? Sukuna is thinking on the logic of "More Cursed Energy = Stronger Opponent." It's not going to make Sukuna more cautious, because Godzilla still has average amounts of Cursed Energy, regardless of how abnormal Godzilla is.

If he thinks Godzilla is weaker than he is, he is likely to use an attack he believes strong enough to kill Godzilla. If he uses a held back Dismantle, and it doesn't instantly cute Godzilla clean in half, he realizes he's sturdy. Alternatively, if he goes for a punch or any blow, he will feel how durable Godzilla is. Which after decapitation with a Dismantle and seeing Godzilla coming back from that, he will likely go for on top of Dismantle spam.

As for my position: If Sukuna thinks Godzilla is fodder who's not even worth his time, he's going to just immediately cut him up into centimeter long cubes. Resulting in an instant loss for Godzilla. If Sukuna sees Godzilla as even a little strong, he will delay Godzilla's death at least a little bit, giving Godzilla a possibility of actually getting to fight back. Though Sukuna will also not think he's a defenseless fodder, and thus have his guard further up.

That's...exactly what would happen if a borderline animalistic creature is provoked, and I understood you very well. I am saying that either way, Godzilla first move will be to nuke Sukuna.

That's not a good argument because different animals behave differently to feeling existential fear. You would need to provide evidence Godzilla nukes things immediately upon feeling an ounce of fear or it is a baseless claim based on your opinion on how they would behave.

That said, I think Sukuna goes for decapitation, sees Godzilla regenerating, and to test Godzilla further, starts slicing him up as much as he can while simultaneously closing in to also get some punches in. I don't think Godzilla is getting the chance to charge up a blast before Sukuna fires a basically instant Dismantle.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Sukuna leads w a 5.23x stat advantage and is higher w Shrine and MS

Also if Godzilla has CE theres no way Sukunas standing still so Im gonna say Sukuna gets the vote

Also its a menacing and big ass lizard and the beam takes a bit of time to charge so yeah

 

[Arkansalter2]

Why would Zilla have CE? Is it because of VE?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Why would Zilla have CE? Is it because of VE?

idk but Im seeing that people say that zilla would so ig

that makes it worse because Sukuna just will predict instantly and w the 100 meters gap He's gonna be able to dodge

Once he dodges he realizes that Zilla actually could do something and proceeds to rush him w shrine or MS

 

[LaserPrecision]

Why would Zilla have CE? Is it because of VE?

No, verse equalization just makes two distinct/unique energy systems that are different behave similar/be able to affect the other. CE is just a default assumption due to its fundamental nature. It's the same as assuming character's by default have a soul and what have you (Or how people are assumed to have 20 HP in crossovers Undertale match-ups). The amount Zilla has would be an unsubstantial amount tho.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

No, verse equalization just makes two distinct/unique energy systems that are different behave similar/be able to affect the other. CE is just a default assumption due to its fundamental nature. It's the same as assuming character's by default have a soul and what have you (Or how people are assumed to have 20 HP in crossovers Undertale match-ups). The amount Zilla has would be an unsubstantial amount tho.

I mean is there an energy system for Godzilla?

 

[LaserPrecision]

I mean is there an energy system for Godzilla?

No. Hence why there's no equalization being put in place. All that's being assumed is Godzilla has a fundamental energy tied to basic emotions.

 

[That_moron2]

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[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

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