V1 vs Ryomen Sukuna

[ChosenOrDeath]

25 meters

Speed Equalized

V1: 6

Sukuna(Full Power/Megkuna): 1

 

[Arkansalter2]

coin ping

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do we use 7-C V1 or high 7-C V1?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Do we use 7-C V1 or high 7-C V1?

We assume SBA so High 7-C V1.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

We assume SBA so High 7-C V1.

ok so that's around a 2.6x advantage for V1

though furnace does more dmg and Sukuna holds the advantage in LS (Class K vs Class G) and can neg dura via WCS n other stuff. How good is V1's senses because Attack reflection is gonna be hard to use against invisible danmaku

 

[Keeweed]

Why do people keep bringing up lifting strength in matches like this (ones with opponents who only kite as their main strategy). V1 is never getting close to Sukuna ever, he’s going to eternally run far far away from him and he has ways to increase the distance forever.

 

[Keeweed]

Plus does Sukuna have any way to prevent a hitscan bullet with a 3 times ap advantages from exploding his head off the half second the match starts?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Plus does Sukuna have any way to prevent a hitscan bullet with a 3 times so advantages from exploding his head off the half second the match starts?

• Damage Reduction (Large amounts of cursed energy can restrict damage. Todo is able to focus his cursed energy in one spot to minimize damage
  
  
• Limited Instinctive Action (Aoi Todo is able to instinctively focus cursed energy to block attacks on certain parts of the body like he does with Mahito

Additionally there is analytical prediction and Information analysis although not sure if it works here since its aura based so likely wont work but it is there if it works

Why do people keep bringing up lifting strength in matches like this (ones with opponents who only kite as their main strategy). V1 is never getting close to Sukuna ever, he’s going to eternally run far far away from him and he has ways to increase the distance forever.

Sukuna canonically can and will blast himself towards V1 since hes into CQC. Hes got the mobility to reach V1 and speeds equalized so hes got a good shot

also invisibility danmaku

 

[Arkansalter2]

SBA means that they're start 200 meters away. Not sure if V1 is ever getting caught with attacks.

 

[Keeweed]

Again, to clarify, V1 has a three freaking times ap advantage with a piercing weapon (ie that damage reduction would need to scale cartoonishly hilariously above Sukuna himself), that is instantaneous from his perspective across the distance of a cruise ship. Sukuna has no time to active that guard and the instinctive reactions has no time to move him out of the way.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

SBA means that they're start 200 meters away. Not sure if V1 is ever getting caught with attacks.

o shit

yeah that 200 meters is too much damn

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Again, to clarify, V1 has a three freaking times ap advantage with a piercing weapon (ie that damage reduction would need to scale cartoonishly hilariously above Sukuna himself), that is instantaneous from his perspective across the distance of a cruise ship. Sukuna has no time to active that guard and the instinctive reactions has no time to move him out of the way.

In the example Todo did take a black flash from Mahito so it did alot of damage so Sukuna's damage reduction should be decently high

but the range is absurd

 

[Keeweed]

Do we count black flash as two times or no? Like even just on the local level of the fights and not for scaling chains. Because if not it’s still pretty unquantifiable versus a quantifiably huge advantage with a gun. Ignoring that Sukuna has a pull of a trigger to realize what is happening before a bullet is either going through his eye and lobotomizing him or through hit neck popping his head off like a rock ‘em sock ‘em.

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do we count black flash as two times or no? Like even just on the local level of the fights and not for scaling chains. Because if not it’s still pretty unquantifiable versus a quantifiably huge advantage with a gun. Ignoring that Sukuna has a pull of a trigger to realize what is happening before a bullet is either going through his eye and lobotomizing him or through hit neck popping his head off like a rock ‘em sock ‘em.

there hasnt been a considered way to use blackflash in scaling as far as I know so no

 

[Keeweed]

Then yeah I don’t see Sukuna stopping the bullet. Piercing attacks of similar ap absolutely work in jjk like when Gojo got stabbed to near death, and the reduction Sukuna can do is multiple times weaker than a gun that already hits harder than the feat (V1’s unarmed smack).

 

[Mommyleona]

what does v1 do against invisible slashes spam? (and yes sukuna usually starts with dismantles)

 

[Arkansalter2]

what does v1 do against invisible slashes spam? (and yes sukuna usually starts with dismantles)

Why would he try that against a robot who outranges?

 

[Keeweed]

The fact he has had to do hand movements versus V1 just pulling a trigger. Plus the ap disadvantage

 

[Catbowtie]

V1 FRA

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Is this True Form Sukuna or Megumi Sukuna with Ten Shadows?

 

[Mommyleona]

The fact he has had to do hand movements versus V1 just pulling a trigger

sukuna doesnt need to do hand movements to send dismantles

 

[Mommyleona]

Why would he try that against a robot who outranges?

thats his first move usually, also he can pop domain if he cant get close

 

[Arkansalter2]

thats his first move usually, also he can pop domain if he cant get close

SBA puts them 200 meters away. Considering V1 mostly runs and kites, that's not happening.

Is this True Form Sukuna or Megumi Sukuna with Ten Shadows?

SBA so true form.

 

[Mommyleona]

SBA so true form.

does sukuna's true form have ten shadows here? (judging by the profile i think yes)
if yes then

SBA puts them 200 meters away. Considering V1 mostly runs and kites, that's not happening.

Sukuna could summon Agito to be a meatshield, rabbit escape to create distraction and cover, then jump in with Maho to close the distance and pop domain, otherwise idk

 

[Keeweed]

sukuna doesnt need to do hand movements to send dismantles

My message lagged out, meant to say he needs to point and raise his hand versus V1 just flicking his wrist at worst (though V1 is skilled enough to shoot Sukuna without even doing that)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I feel like this would be a more interesting debate if it was Megumi Sukuna with Mahoraga already on the field since then it wouldn't just be "Oh V1 just blows his head off and that's that".

 

[Keeweed]

I mean, if V1 does the coin shot and shots Sukuna and Mahoraga, killing Sukuna, does he win?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean, if V1 does the coin shot and shots Sukuna and Mahoraga, killing Sukuna, does he win?

Can he even hurt Mahoraga? Pretty sure he's got the Cursed Spirit shenanigans going on.

 

[Keeweed]

No but I mean if the same shot kills Sukuna does it matter?

 

[Keeweed]

The coin trick I was referring to is the one you ricochet hitscan bullets and shrapnel everywhere with pin point accuracy. Like I’m pretty sure Sukuna gets shredded from that

 

[Pyro9278]

V1 FRA

 

[Mommyleona]

My message lagged out, meant to say he needs to point and raise his hand

he doesnt

 

[Keeweed]

Ah it’s one of those (they just chose to for dramatics), then still the ap distance and the fact V1 can quickly get out of range is a problem. Plus Sukuna in character isn’t beyond messing around at times versus V1 being the definition of instant murder hobo man.

 

[ChosenOrDeath]

I feel like this would be a more interesting debate if it was Megumi Sukuna with Mahoraga already on the field since then it wouldn't just be "Oh V1 just blows his head off and that's that".

Do y'all want me to change it to this then? Should they be closer as well?

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

Do y'all want me to change it to this then? Should they be closer as well?

idk

 

[Mommyleona]

Do y'all want me to change it to this then? Should they be closer as well?

Im pretty sure full power sukuna is assumed to have 10S still:

"All previous abilities enhanced plus:"

meaning he doesnt lose 10S, i understand it that way atleast

and i think range should be changed to make it more fair, otherwise v1 is never coming close and just blasts with superior range and ap, leaving sukuna very little or no chance to win

 

[VoidGoji]

He din't show 10s after going into his Heian form. Not even the shadow "well"/hole shenanigans.

 

[Keeweed]

With a shorter range Sukuna has a dps check. Can he do enough damage before V1 pulls his trigger (I would argue no)

 

[Bimbitesthedust]

With a shorter range Sukuna has a dps check. Can he do enough damage before V1 pulls his trigger (I would argue no)

he could w domain and other abilities but Idk if MS range is limited in this fight since binding vow

 

[Keeweed]

Domain expansion is the worst choice. Both pulling the trigger or a coin trick shot are faster than activing the domain, plus he has no reason to pull it out immediately versus V1 firing his basic weapon once.