All in one GoH ability addition (adding random missed abilities to the profiles)

[DavidTPPM]

Haven't made one of these in a while because I usually just add these when remaking the entire profile but I accumulated a list of stuff that's forgotten on the profiles that already had an overhaul (or affect both those that did and those that didn't)

Spoiler: BFR

Apparently everyone and their grandma has BFR but nobody actually has it in profile.

• Users of the Sages Wisdom can control attractive and repulsive forces of gravity to throw stuff entire interplanetary distances away. That includes their opponents
  • Daewi blasts Satan to the moon
  • Okhwang not only has Daewis powers but can also summon Nephilim to kidnap the opponent and run away with them
  • Satan not only copied Daewis powers but can also punch Mori from earths atmosphere to the Suns surface
  • Ultio possesses Okhwangs powers (Although he never used them for BFR purposes he saw Daewi do so and should be fully capable of using them same as him)
  • Mira possesses Okhwangs powers same way Ilpyo does if not to an even greater extent due to superior experience
• Others
  • Mujin can use telekinesis to throw people away
  • Mori and other Yeoui users can push opponents away with their Yeoui, something Mori does to push the sky whale to space
  • Zeus (Why does this guy even have a profile again?) can punch people from Korea to China

Spoiler: Layers

• Absorption
  • Mori can resist Jegals greed attempt at absorbing him - baseline (Already accepted)
  • Gourd can absorb Mori - 1 Layer (Already accepted)
  • Gods can resist the gourd - 1 Layer (Already accepted)
  • Post Key Jegal and Yeouiju can bypass the Gods resistance and absorbed them - 2 Layers (NEW)
  • The pillars of fate such as Rabbit can resist Yeouiju's absorption - 2 Layers (NEW)
  • Mira's greed can absorb pillars such as Rabbit - 3 Layers (NEWish)
  • Mujin can resist Mira's greed attempting to absorb him - 3 Layers (NEWish)
  • Mori's Perfect Circle can absorb Mujin - 4 Layers (NEWish)
• Fear manipulation
  • High ranking priests and High ranking Executives can bypass the resistance of characters unaffected by regular executives (New level for the already existing Fear Manipulation page)

Spoiler: Multipliers

• Mori's Three Stage Hoechook is said to amplify the damage an opponent takes by 2-3x
• Combining offense and defense into a one-tempo attack is stated to amplify your power by 3x

Spoiler: Matter Manipulation

• Weak Force should get sub-atomic deconstruction and radiation manipulation as it's literally responsible for subatomic radioactive decay of atoms
• Strong Force should get macro-quantum deconstruction as it is what It confines quarks into protons, neutrons, and other hadron particles

Agrees (le epic chad): M2u12, Yeolban, Re5yh, FinePoint, EL_xWatcher1234x, ActuallySpaceMan42 (no comment on layers), Oblivion_Of_The_Endless
Disagrees (le forever alone type-of-oil):

 

[M2u12]

EZ Agreed.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Now we sit back and pray this won't take 2 weeks like my last thread

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Now we sit back and pray this won't take 2 weeks like my last thread

@MinatoSparkle infect this man’s thread NOW!

 

[Yeolban]

looks good

 

[DavidTPPM]

@MinatoSparkle infect this man’s thread NOW!

Keep that spawn of Satan away or I'll have grandkids before this is done

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

 

[DavidTPPM]

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[DavidTPPM]

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[Re5yh]

Looks good, I agree

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

oops wrong thread

 

[DavidTPPM]

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[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Shouldn't this be a limitation instead of resistance?

• Gods can resist the gourd - 1 Layer (Already accepted)

 

[DavidTPPM]

Shouldn't this be a limitation instead of resistance?

Why would it be a limitation

 

[MrTayman616]

Is it a case of "Gods resisting the ability" or "The ability isn't working against them"?

It can easily be an incapability of the technique based on the explanation i guess.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Why would it be a limitation

It was ineffective on gods which sound like a limitation.

Agree with the rest.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It was ineffective on gods which sound like a limitation on its part. Agree with the rest.

Is it a case of "Gods resisting the ability" or "The ability isn't working against them"?

It can easily be an incapability of the technique based on the explanation i guess.

It could but why would it be? The gourd has no special connection to the gods which would make them be it's weakness or something like that. And Heal is clearly shocked when post-key Jegal absorbs gods further implying they're harder to absorbed compared to the humans and BPs he's absorbed so far

We also know gods can survive the vacuum of space meanwhile regular humans need space suits, and that fodder gods can survive heat comparable to the surface of the sun. Meaning they clearly have additional resistances humans don't.

So unless there's some specific argument to why it would be a weakness of the gourd rather than a resistance of Gods, I don't see any reason to assume that is the case. Otherwise, by that logic we could theoretically dismiss 99% of resistances as just "a weakness of the ability".

 

[M2u12]

It could but why would it be? The gourd has no special connection to the gods which would make them be it's weakness or something like that. And Heal is clearly shocked when post-key Jegal absorbs gods further implying they're harder to absorbed compared to the humans and BPs he's absorbed so far

We also know gods can survive the vacuum of space meanwhile regular humans need space suits, and that fodder gods can survive heat comparable to the surface of the sun. Meaning they clearly have additional resistances humans don't.

So unless there's some specific argument to why it would be a weakness of the gourd rather than a resistance of Gods, I don't see any reason to assume that is the case. Otherwise, by that logic we could theoretically dismiss 99% of resistances as just "a weakness of the ability".

Yeah, it's like saying "10,000 degree flames don’t work on X-1000 robot, so that means it's a weakness of the ability that it don’t work on X-1000 robot " even though, logically, that robot should just be resistant to 10,000 degrees heat.

 

[MrTayman616]

Yeah, it's like saying "10,000 degree flames don’t work on X-1000 robot, so that means it's a weakness of the ability that it don’t work on X-1000 robot " even though, logically, that robot should just be resistant to 10,000 degrees heat.

It's nothing like that. This is just a fake comparison.

When you read that "this technique doesn't work against those type of people", it is reasonable to assume it is a limitation of the technique rather than resistance to the entire race. The way it's explained matters.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It's nothing like that. This is just a fake comparison.

When you read that "this technique doesn't work against those type of people", it is reasonable to assume it is a limitation of the technique rather than resistance to the entire race. The way it's explained matters.

Yeah the fire comparison doesn't really work here because fire is fundamentally a real life thing which we know the mechanism of.

But like I said nothing portrays it as a weakness of the gourd nor is there any reason it should have such a weakness. Meanwhile Gods having superior resistance to absorption as well as generally having superior resistances to humans are perfectly consistent with pretty much everything in the story.

It could but why would it be? The gourd has no special connection to the gods which would make them be it's weakness or something like that. And Heal is clearly shocked when post-key Jegal absorbs gods further implying they're harder to absorbed compared to the humans and BPs he's absorbed so far

We also know gods can survive the vacuum of space meanwhile regular humans need space suits, and that fodder gods can survive heat comparable to the surface of the sun. Meaning they clearly have additional resistances humans don't.

So unless there's some specific argument to why it would be a weakness of the gourd rather than a resistance of Gods, I don't see any reason to assume that is the case. Otherwise, by that logic we could theoretically dismiss 99% of resistances as just "a weakness of the ability".

 

[MrTayman616]

We also know gods can survive the vacuum of space meanwhile regular humans need space suits, and that fodder gods can survive heat comparable to the surface of the sun. Meaning they clearly have additional resistances humans don't.

None of these would support it imo. Gods having more resistances, abilities etc. than Humans doesn't mean they have superior resistance against this specific ability.

I don't see any reason to assume that is the case. Otherwise, by that logic we could theoretically dismiss 99% of resistances as just "a weakness of the ability".

Most cases are extremely clear which saying "maybe it's like this or that" against it is useless. But in this case, the statement isn't saying "Gods can resist this" but that "This technique doesn't work against them" which makes it arguable imo.

Though i'm not sure how the technique works as i didn't read the series, so there might be more explanation about it :d

 

[DavidTPPM]

None of these would support it imo. Gods having more resistances, abilities etc. than Humans doesn't mean they have superior resistance against this specific ability.

It absolutely does support it. It shows us that supernatural resistances are a common thing among gods meaning this resistance isn't something unexpected.

And the fact that Heal was shocked Jegal can absorb the gods is clear cut evidence that absorbing Gods is considered something more difficult than absorbing humans.

Most cases are extremely clear which saying "maybe it's like this or that" against it is useless. But in this case, the statement isn't saying "Gods can resist this" but that "This technique doesn't work against them" which makes it arguable imo.

That's just blatantly not true idk why are you lying. You wouldn't find a single resistance that's verbatim stated like that in the profile of the character who you have set as your profile picture… Including the supernatural willpower page he has linked within his profile.

Meanwhile ironically this is essentially a verbatim stated resistance.

Though i'm not sure how the technique works as i didn't read the series, so there might be more explanation about it :d

So your entire scepticism is completely ungrounded…

 

[MrTayman616]

You wouldn't find a single resistance that's verbatim stated like that in the profile of the character who you have set as your profile picture… Including the supernatural willpower page he has linked within his profile.

Dunno why you're referring to it. Like i said, most cases are extremely clear. With or without statements.

Meanwhile ironically this is essentially a verbatim stated resistance.

Is it a "resistance" statement though? The statement is that "this technique can't be used against those from heaven" and "It's not supposed to work against him since he's from heaven".

This seem to be a limitation rather than resistance for every being from heaven.

So your entire scepticism is completely ungrounded…

Well... :d

My claims are based on the scans you added here. I wouldn't know anything more than what i see here.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Dunno why you're referring to it. Like i said, most cases are extremely clear. With or without statements.

You said it's not clear because it doesn't verbatim say "Gods can resist this". That's a statement you will essentially never find for any resistance. I'm pointing out you're trying to set an unrealistic standard for how direct something has to be.

Is it a "resistance" statement though? The statement is that "this technique can't be used against those from heaven"

It doesn't say that. It says
"He can absorb those sky whales with that bottle…"
"No he can't. It doesn't work for creatures from heaven"

Yeah if it said "this technique can't be used against those from heaven" it would be questionable but the actual statement outright says it doesn't work on them. That's a pretty clear cut evidence of resistance. And so is the nurse Heal scan I keep referencing which you coincidentally happen to keep ignoring.

Like idk man, I think it's pretty straightforward

 

[MrTayman616]

That's a statement you will essentially never find for any resistance. I'm pointing out you're trying to set an unrealistic standard for how direct something has to be.

I'm not saying it because it doesn't have a statement like that, i'm saying it because the current statement is what makes it arguable imo.

Yeah if it said "this technique can't be used against those from heaven" it would be questionable but the actual statement outright says it doesn't work on them. That's a pretty clear cut evidence of resistance.

"It doesn't work for creatures from heaven". Isn't "It" here refers to the technique? So isn't it "This technique doesn't work for creatures from heaven"?

Also the other statement, "It's not supposed to work for him since he's from heaven". It sounds like it's a limitation of a technique to me rather than resistance. (to me)

And so is the nurse Heal scan I keep referencing which you coincidentally happen to keep ignoring.

I didn't ignore it. I have nothing to comment about it as for me rn, it's just someone saying "he... absorbed... god..." without any context or awareness of what's happening.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'm not saying it because it doesn't have a statement like that, i'm saying it because the current statement is what makes it arguable imo.

If it not being that verbatim isn't your reasoning then you're yet to give a single reason why the statement would actually be questionable.

"It doesn't work for creatures from heaven". Isn't "It" here refers to the technique? So isn't it "This technique doesn't work for creatures from heaven"?

That is still a vastly different thing that what you quoted lmao.
"you can't use it on them"
And
"it doesn't work for them"
Are VASTLY different because one (the version you made up) means you can't even use the weapon on them while the other (the version actually said in the manhwa) means you can use it but it wouldn't work.

Also the other statement, "It's not supposed to work for him since he's from heaven". It sounds like it's a limitation of a technique to me rather than resistance. (to me)

Why? What in that sentence implies it's a weakness of the gourd rather than a resistance of gods?
Saying "I think it sounds like it" isn't an argument. I gave you actual arguments why that's not the case so if you want to say otherwise I fully expect you to actually substantiate what you're saying.

I didn't ignore it. I have nothing to comment about it as for me rn, it's just someone saying "he... absorbed... god..." without any context or awareness of what's happening.

So a character being completely shocked that someone with absorption powers could absorb a god despite being aware of those absorption powers is not even remotely an implication that absorbing gods is somehow more difficult than absorbing normal people?

I'm sorry but if you're not going to provide actual arguments or evidence instead of just handwaving away things because you feel like it, could you please stop spamming the thread? It's already hard enough to get staff members to evaluate it as is without 3000 messages arguing about what stuff "sounds like" to you.

 

[MrTayman616]

If it not being that straightforward isn't your reasoning then you're yet to give a single reason why the statement would actually be questionable.

Huh? I literally said it's not straightforward imo, no? It doesn't sound like resistance statement to me but limitation to the technique.

That is still a vastly different thing that what you quoted lmao.
"you can't use it on them"
And
"it doesn't work for them"
Are VASTLY different because one (the version you made up) means you can't even use the weapon on them while the other (the version actually said in the manhwa) means you can use it but it wouldn't work.

"It doesn't work for them" and "It's not supposed to work" together sounds like limitation to me rather than resistance.

Don't get the last line as not being able to use the technique at all would be weirder :d (Not saying this is what you claim, it's just not what i meant when i said it)

Why? What in that sentence implies it's a weakness of the gourd rather than a resistance of gods?
Saying "I think it sounds like it" isn't an argument. I gave you actual arguments why that's not the case so if you want to say otherwise I fully expect you to actually substantiate what you're saying.

I'm not saying "no it's not a resistance" or anything like that.

I didn't read the series nor knowledgable about it in any way, so the most i can say is "I think it sounds like it" based on what i read here. That's all.

Was i supposed to say "It's %100 not a resistance" about something i'm not sure of? I'm simply not sure, i simply say what i think about it based on what i read.

So a character being completely shocked that someone with absorption powers could absorb a god despite being aware of those absorption powers is not even remotely an implication that absorbing gods is somehow more difficult than absorbing normal people?

No, it can imply what you said. I'm not saying it can't.

I simply lack context etc. It can easily be a situation where the enemy absorbed god and now even more dangerous, which would explain "he... absorbed... god..." etc.

Which is the reason i didn't make any comment about it, because i simply can't make a comment about it.

I'm sorry but if you're not going to provide actual arguments or evidence instead of just handwaving away things because you feel like it, could you please stop spamming the thread? It's already hard enough to get staff members to evaluate it as is without 3000 messages arguing about what stuff "sounds like" to you.

Ok

 

[DavidTPPM]

Huh? I literally said it's not straightforward imo, no? It doesn't sound like resistance statement to me but limitation to the technique.

Those are conclusions and I'm asking for reasoning for those conclusions. What makes it sound like a limitation instead of a resistance?

"It doesn't work for them" and "It's not supposed to work" together sounds like limitation to me rather than resistance.

Okay, for the 50th time, saying "it sounds like it to me" isn't an argument/reasoning. It's the conclusion of an argument/reasoning.

I'm not saying "no it's not a resistance" or anything like that.

I didn't read the series nor knowledgable about it in any way, so the most i can say is "I think it sounds like it" based on what i read here. That's all.

Was i supposed to say "It's %100 not a resistance" about something i'm not sure of? I'm simply not sure, i simply say what i think about it based on what i read.

No, you were supposed to either provide constructive feedback to the proposals or not clutter the thread.

I'm sorry if I sound mean here because I really don't mean to, but every time this has happened to me so far the thread took up to a month to conclude as a result, so I get a bit annoyed when it happens.

No, it can imply what you said. I'm not saying it can't.

I simply lack context etc. Which is the reason i didn't make any comment about it, because i simply can't make a comment about it.

Lacking context didn't stop you from commenting on the other statements so I'm sorry but I don't really buy this being the reason.

It can easily be a situation where the enemy absorbed god and now even more dangerous, which would explain "he... absorbed... god..." etc.

A character who mainly gets stronger by absorbing others getting stronger by absorbing others wouldn't really be something shocking.
Unless of course the targets he absorbed were more difficult to absorb which would make him doing so surprising

Ok

Thank you

 

[FinePoint]

It feels like the Absorption may be limited by power rather than every new case being another layer of Resistance.
That said, I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, so I don't know how consistent that is.
Do other abilities seemingly fail against these more powerful characters as well, or is it just Absorption?

Everything else seems fine.

 

[DavidTPPM]

It feels like the Absorption may be limited by power rather than every new case being another layer of Resistance. That said, I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, so I don't know how consistent that is.
Do other abilities seemingly fail against these more powerful characters as well, or is it just Absorption?

That's definitely not the case because most of those cases are relative characters or weaker characters. To list something examples off the top of my head:

• Jegal was getting absolutely dogwalked by Ilpyo and still absorbed his power.
• Mori was MUCH stronger than post-key Jegal and Jegal still said he'll absorb his power.
• Byron was so much weaker than Uma that she could literally flick his body away and negate his attacks with a sneeze but he could still absorb her.
• Mori absolutely DWARFS (like newborn baby vs the meteor that wiped the dinosaurs dwarfs) majority of the gods and he couldn't absorb them with the gourd.
• Mira could react to and harm Mujin but couldn't absorb him.
• Mujin could clash with Mori but couldn't resist perfect circle.

Point being, absorption hax in GoH are definitely not limited by power. And same goes for basically all other hax as well. We can even see 5-B humans affect 3-B gods with their hax on multiple occasions

Everything else seems fine.

Nice

 

[FinePoint]

That's definitely not the case because most of those cases are relative characters or weaker characters. To list something examples off the top of my head:

• Jegal was getting absolutely dogwalked by Ilpyo and still absorbed his power.
• Mori was MUCH stronger than post-key Jegal and Jegal still said he'll absorb his power.
• Byron was so much weaker than Uma that she could literally flick his body away and negate his attacks with a sneeze but he could still absorb her.
• Mori absolutely DWARFS (like newborn baby vs the meteor that wiped the dinosaurs dwarfs) majority of the gods and he couldn't absorb them with the gourd.
• Mira could react to and harm Mujin but couldn't absorb him.
• Mujin could clash with Mori but couldn't resist perfect circle.

Alright, it is probably fine then.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Alright, it is probably fine then.

Great, thank you for your time

 

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[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It was ineffective on gods which sound like a limitation.

Agree with the rest.

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