Genshin Impact: All-Devouring Narwhal tier revision

[Puppet43]

Also, are we sure this is related to AP and not to a special ability? I wouldn’t mind giving the ability a planetary range in that case, instead of assigning a concrete tier.

It is said to both "being able to take the energy of a planet" and "devour it whole"
Absorption hax and 5B Ap

 

[Weaver261]

As much as I want to agree with this, my doubtful nature on chinese games kick in and found something sad.
I agree with @ExcelsisBerny arguments on devouring as an ability and not an AP. This will prove why Devouring isn't AP.

Original chinese text for 5-B is here

丝柯克：也对…你并未真正见过那头鲸鱼张开血盆大口，仿佛要将星球吞入腹中的场景。
丝柯克：在力量完全耗尽后，它才会逐渐展露出真正的本性，将星球上的一切化作储粮。所以我将它收存在特殊的虚无空间里…

The problem in first line is this word "仿佛" and this translate to "as if" which is completely left out in en localization.
This is crucial since this line can translate a bit differently with "仿佛"

Skirk: Well… it makes sense. You’ve never actually seen that whale open its massive bloody maw, as if it were about to swallow the entire planet.

It's not saying Narwhal can actually swallow the entire planet but the impression it gives off as a metaphor. In the first place, narwhal isn't even big enough to swallow the entire planet.

The second line in EN localization is

Skirk: It's a different story when it has no more power to feed off of. That's when its true, voracious nature kicks in. It could devour everything on the planet in that state — which is why I cast it into that void space...

They simply translated it as "devour everything on the the planet" but note that even the localization doesn't imply it can devour the whole planet. The original chinese text will translate to

Only after its power is completely exhausted does it gradually reveal its true nature, turning everything on the planet into stored provisions. That’s why I sealed it in a special void space...

With its ability to devour anything, it can devour everything into its food but it doesn't say the whole planet in one go.

So I must disagree with the reasoning even though Narwhal 5-B might be possible from Neuvillate chain scaling.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

As much as I want to agree with this, my doubtful nature on chinese games kick in and found something sad.
I agree with @ExcelsisBerny arguments on devouring as an ability and not an AP. This will prove why Devouring isn't AP.

Original chinese text for 5-B is here

The problem in first line is this word "仿佛" and this translate to "as if" which is completely left out in en localization.
This is crucial since this line can translate a bit differently with "仿佛"

It's not saying Narwhal can actually swallow the entire planet but the impression it gives off as a metaphor. In the first place, narwhal isn't even big enough to swallow the entire planet.

The second line in EN localization is

They simply translated it as "devour everything on the the planet" but note that even the localization doesn't imply it can devour the whole planet. The original chinese text will translate to

With its ability to devour anything, it can devour everything into its food but it doesn't say the whole planet in one go.

So I must disagree with the reasoning even though Narwhal 5-B might be possible from Neuvillate chain scaling.

LMAOOOOOOOOO even worse than overturning the world statement
rip tier 5 vro forever rip rip rip rip rip

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

As much as I want to agree with this, my doubtful nature on chinese games kick in and found something sad.
I agree with @ExcelsisBerny arguments on devouring as an ability and not an AP. This will prove why Devouring isn't AP.

Original chinese text for 5-B is here

The problem in first line is this word "仿佛" and this translate to "as if" which is completely left out in en localization.
This is crucial since this line can translate a bit differently with "仿佛"

It's not saying Narwhal can actually swallow the entire planet but the impression it gives off as a metaphor. In the first place, narwhal isn't even big enough to swallow the entire planet.

The second line in EN localization is

They simply translated it as "devour everything on the the planet" but note that even the localization doesn't imply it can devour the whole planet. The original chinese text will translate to

With its ability to devour anything, it can devour everything into its food but it doesn't say the whole planet in one go.

So I must disagree with the reasoning even though Narwhal 5-B might be possible from Neuvillate chain scaling.

If that's true, sure, but we're completely looking over the fact that the Narwhal was satiated during its fight vs Neuvillette back in Fontaine and that it only used a fraction of its powers and like I said before, this is backed up by Skirk's statement in her story quest. Let's also not forget that Neuvillette had the help of Tartaglia (Childe) and the Traveler as well.

Putting the Narwhal at 6-B feels disingenuous, as we quite literally know that it's stronger when it's hungry. It'd be more considerate putting something like "6-B | 5-B when hungry"

And in all honesty, if we do agree that the Narwhal is 5-B via Neuvillette chain scaling, then putting Skirk at 5-B doesn't seem too exaggerated either, because Neuvillette himself was shocked upon witnessing Skirk's powers and questioned it in disbelief. On top of the fact that Skirk trains in the Abyss, where time is slowed down, meaning that she definitely got stronger after Fontaine.

 

[Shey]

Let it go man, there is no 5-B in Genshin Impact...yet

 

[Weaver261]

Putting the Narwhal at 6-B feels disingenuous, as we quite literally know that it's stronger when it's hungry. It'd be more considerate putting something like "6-B | 5-B when hungry"

I agree with putting it in 6-B is wrong but we lack definite proofs for 5-B feat. Just becuz it's stronger when it's hungry, it doesn't necessarily correspond to AP. It will only give 5-B range devour hax.
You guys can work on the chain scaling and make 5-B narwhal works somehow but I will disagree with current reasoning towards 5-B.

 

[Furina003]

quite surprising information for me, because i didn't realize it yet, but yes, despite the word "as if" narwhal and skirk will still get scaling 5b, because it is proven that narwhal in non-aggressive position can make neuvillette in full power condition overwhelmed, and skirk only considers narwhal as a small training session which means the power gap between narwhal and skirk is quite far. yes i agree for narwhal and skirk 5b. but with different chain scaling

 

[Puppet43]

there is no 5-B in Genshin Impact...yet

The Sinner statment in CN says "destroy world" idk man, that sounds Planetary to me and since they are also stated as "each holding a power that rivaled the world." they should be comparable to Sovereing, which have same statment and therefore Shade upscale

 

[Shey]

"The destruction of a planet is often regarded as the death of its civilization"
Try again another time

 

[Puppet43]

"The destruction of a planet is often regarded as the death of its civilization"

Me when:

戴因斯雷布
然而心底埋藏着各自欲望的那五人，没能禁得住「深渊」的诱惑，瓜分了那些足以毁灭世界的力量。
戴因斯雷布
他们成为了「罪人」，也成为了超然的存在，每个人所掌持的力量都能与世界相匹敌。

If you want to consider that "Destroy a planet" statement is the same as collapsing its civilization, do it, but you would be dishonest, when the quoted refers to Surtalogi, a character that Skirk's lore mentions is still looking for a challenge that will make him use all his full power. So even if the only thing he's been doing so far is bringing down civilizations doesn't negate the fact that he can destroy planets, both sides can be true at the same time, due to the given context.

 

[Voidnether]

It's an overtime feat y'all, either this is like Low 5-B or it's just 5-C and Tier 6 as the lowest but like again I don't know the timeframe so might as well make it unquantifiable imo

 

[Puppet43]

I don't know the timeframe

What timeframe my buddy?? He just said "Destroy the world" he didnt said "yeah they can destroy the world, but dont expect them to do it in 1 shot, it would take them like 6000 years since they are wall lvl for real"

 

[Voidnether]

What timeframe my buddy?? He just said "Destroy the world" he didnt said "yeah they can destroy the world, but dont expect them to do it in 1 shot, it would take them like 6000 years since they are wall lvl for real"

He didn't do it in an instant or in a reasonable timeframe where it would warrant him that tier, like take for example it took him 1/3 months in abyssal timeframe to like somehow merge with the primordial sea anyway given it was devouring it (The timeframe he fought Childe)

 

[Puppet43]

He didn't do it in an instant or in a reasonable timeframe where it would warrant him that tier

The statment is not "Has destroy a planet" but "COULD destroy a planet"
Key word: Could, the feat itself hasnt been made as im writing this, it's just Dain saying they could destroy the planet if they wanted

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[OmniScalator]

Whos we? why would lumine get amped by 100 visions just to fight holding back Ei?

that amp was to show wishes of people to Ei and not for combat, Ei just gave up after she saw wishes of people, it is written at many places that wishes swayed her heart

 

[OmniScalator]

The same sovereings stated multiple times to see Archons as speckles of dust and Mavuika praising the heck out of a Ronova amp? same Ronova is relative to a Sovereing at worst

you do realise none of this is canon?

 

[Puppet43]

you do realise none of this is canon?

Lol

 

[OmniScalator]

Lol

You do realise that in this dialogue bro is comparing his whole civilizations combined power?

 

[Puppet43]

You do realise that in this dialogue bro is comparing his whole civilizations combined power?

And do you realize only 8 dragons were powerfull enough to see Archons as speckles? like all other dragons are either weaker (Common vishaps, Ursa) or equals (Dvalin, Azdhada)