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The Hero Hunter Vs The Greatest Hero of Them All | Garou Vs Superman (3-11-0)
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Well, Clark can probably resist Garou's radiation manipulation and I would argue has better martial arts skills (being trained by New Gods and all). He also has better lifting strength, mobility, and travel speed. Some of Garou's moves seem to be able to bypass durability to some extent (but so does Superman's heat vision), and has attack reflection, and a very minor AP advantage that will only widen with reactive evolution and accelerated development, higher regeneration, and a longer attack range with his shockwaves (not that big a deal, but still).
At the same time, I'm not sure if Garous has a counter for Clark's intangibility, and both have comparable listed stamina, so it's not like Garou will wear him out. If this is Both have BFR options, which can also counter the other's BFR options. Also Superman has danmaku, so he could spam his heat vision to keep a distance.
It's close, but so far it seems Superman has some abilities that Garous can't counter. I'm open to change my mind, but so far I'm leaning towards Superman.
At the same time, I'm not sure if Garous has a counter for Clark's intangibility, and both have comparable listed stamina, so it's not like Garou will wear him out. If this is Both have BFR options, which can also counter the other's BFR options. Also Superman has danmaku, so he could spam his heat vision to keep a distance.
It's close, but so far it seems Superman has some abilities that Garous can't counter. I'm open to change my mind, but so far I'm leaning towards Superman.
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Atom yak and radiation yak won't work on supes.
Hey OP. Is Garou in Awakened form or PT form?
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PT is the only one with 3-C, so him.
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clark flies into the sun comes back and oneshots garou
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Oh. I didn't even know they removed 3-C from Awakened garou. In that case, pretty sure Garou portal spams and just REf***s Supes into oblivion to be fair.
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Supes dealt with stuff way worse than portal spam
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Garou copies. Now what?
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What’s the range of Garou’s BFR and how does it work mechanically?
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He can’t stop supes from flying into the sun and one shotting
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whats supes doing when garou just opens a portal in his trajectory and bonks him on the head? or just portals Supes back down
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Black Hole isn't gonna be much use when Superman has dealt with black holes before, and could easily dodge a gamma ray burst.
Interdimensional, basically he can open portals in the form of circles.
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Superman could simply react and move out of the way, especially given Superman has enhanced senses and instinctive action.
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As does garou. This is basically who can AD/RE better.
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garou has the same, along with analytical prediction. he aint flying anywhere.
i dont see AD/RE anywhere on Supes, only stat amp from the sun.
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Hasn't this matchup been done before in the past? Pretty sure there was a whole hullabaloo about Garou yeeting Supes away from the sun in an older thread.
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Clark could use his intangibility. Heck, if he grabs onto Garou, he could phase him to another plane of reality.
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alr, then he'll just open a portal in his trajectory & bring him back down to level. Then his RE starts working on that.
His portals are interdimensional.
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Different keys.
He has self-amplification he can unlock through taking down his mental barriers, he doesn’t necessarily need to fly to the sun; Garou doesn’t know that he can amp himself through the sun anyways, does Garou in-character teleport people back to him if he thinks they’re running away?
The scan says that Superman teleported the planet through vibrations outside the Omniverse, which we rate on this wiki for DC as H1-A. Garou wouldn’t be able to come back from that probably. But it’s not in-character for Superman to open with that.
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Couldn't Superman also close the portals with his heat vision? He's done so with tears in space-time before.
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How does Superman win this? Any stat amp that Superman gets Garou gets as well and more. Any martial skill Superman has Garou gets and more. Any heat-based attack Garou likely already resists but if he doesn't he'd just evolve a resistance.
Why would Superman resist Garou's radiation exactly? How would Superman deal with getting teleported to a dimension in between space-time? How would Superman deal with getting his body ionized by a Gamma Ray Burst?
There's just so much that Garou can do here that I'm not sure Supes has answers for. Unless supporters can answer the above questions, I'll be voting for Garou handedly.
Why would Superman resist Garou's radiation exactly? How would Superman deal with getting teleported to a dimension in between space-time? How would Superman deal with getting his body ionized by a Gamma Ray Burst?
There's just so much that Garou can do here that I'm not sure Supes has answers for. Unless supporters can answer the above questions, I'll be voting for Garou handedly.
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Would that even compete with Garou's AD?
he's canonically a portal merchant. he spams tf out of those, so I wouldn't see why not. At the bare minimum he's portalling himself up to Supes.
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Well, first I don't think Garou has had martial arts training from the New Gods, which Superman has. Superman has been blasted with all sorts of radiation throughout the years and he's been perfectly fine, so Garou's radiation won't necessarily work. Superman's also survived in black holes before, so a Gamma Ray Burst isn't going to hurt that much.
Superman's heat vision is more than just a hot laser, it can agitate molecules for them to shatter and cuts things on a microscopic level, I don't remember if Garou resists that.
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I thought Garou and Saitama both were shown to self-manipulate their own atoms or something like that to alter their own state of being to make the time travel thing possible?
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is it even in-character for Supes to just fly to the sun at the start of fights? Is he just gonna see this weird galaxy-man and say "oh shit lemme get my one-shot wincon rq"
If not, then they'll clash at the start, Garous RE will start to resist Supes' intangibility (if he uses it), and if Supes tries to fly up he'll just block him.
If not, then they'll clash at the start, Garous RE will start to resist Supes' intangibility (if he uses it), and if Supes tries to fly up he'll just block him.
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his profile says that we should assume he only uses it when he's bloodlusted/as a last resort
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Superman’s self-amp goes to 2-C, and Garou’s AD/RE on his profile can only go up to 3-A.
Radiation and Gamma Ray Bursts wouldn’t do anything. Also BFR is questionable since Superman has Astral Projection and telepathy that works on DC’s Astral Plane, can vibrate things outside of the universe (he does this by vibrating himself and holding something else, so it would probably apply there), and on his Rebirth profile he broke through a fractured space-time barrier that was reality warped into existence to passively EE him. I don’t know exactly how that squares up with Garou’s RE, so I’ll see how anyone responds to this to decide how this would go.
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He doesn't need this to be superior to Superman or copy his skills and evolve them to imperceptible heights.
Nothing compared to Garou's radiation unless you can prove otherwise.
As has Garou. Garou's hax and stats passively evolve so there's nothing to say he'd resist this. Black Holes ≠ Gamma Ray Burst.
Garou can manipulate his own subatomic atoms through sheer martial skill.
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This does not tell me that he can escape from a dimension between spacetime.
Please count my vote.
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Superman’s 3-C rating is for his casual strength level, you can’t restrict his varies tier which allows him to go to 2-C with him consciously accessing his deeper power reserves.
Although Superman’s Astral Projection and Telepathy at least has 1-A range and he can project that telepathy (which includes mental attacks) from that range as well apparently. Your vote is counted btw.
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It doesn’t matter since Garou can copy basically any martial arts style. I’m not sure how AD works on this wiki, but there doesn’t seem to be “layers” of skill which would be blocked by being able to simply copy something from seeing it.
Superman does have AD in being able to learn Torquasm Rao/Vo casually upon hearing about it a few times pretty casually and that involves tapping into 1-A realms simply through martial arts. I don’t know how that would be qualified here though.
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This is talking about P&A, not AP, no?
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It's both abilities and stats.
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Can u prove that superman can do this without suns? Every stat amp I see on his & physiology profiles involve suns.
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The New Gods have far more experience and combat training than Garou, and given Superman's training with them, enough of it should be picked up by him to give him a skill advantage.
Manipulating his subatomic particles for the purposes of time travel is not remotely the same thing as resisting attacks that destroy you on a sub-atomic level.
I'm trying to find a source that quantifies the level of radiation throughout space, or in the Big Bang if that's relevant. Any pointers?
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Nearly every martial artist Garou has fought had far more experience and combat training than Garou. You're not proving anything with these claims.
"For the purpose of time travel" is such a funny stipulation to add because nowhere was it stated that he could only do so for those purposes. He has the ability to manipulate his subatomic particles and with that ability, he used it to reverse their motion to achieve time travel. That does not mean he's limited to that. It's like saying someone with Body Control who has shown the ability to manipulate his White Blood Cells to quickly eliminate viruses can not use that same Body Control to move his White Blood Cells from one part of his body to another. You're adding restrictions that have never been stated. Another baseless claim.
Unsure. Garou himself knows and can create all possibly energies and forces in the universe and enhance them to insane levels so this still would not be enough.
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It’s explained in the varies justification on both his rebirth and post-crisis profile, involving needing control of his entire brain, his “peak” tapping into energies he hadn’t used before against Doomsday (which is rated 2-C), and is explained in the standard tactics section under his post-crisis profile.
Garou’s radiation value is 83.6 billion grays but Superman’s radiation resistance comes from him resisting his own heat vision which contributed 1/4th of the radiation of the entire Big Bang, so that wouldn’t seem relevant. Is there anywhere on Garou’s profile that he can amp his radiation above this?
Also I should note that Superman on his rebirth profile could absorb an entire universe’s Crisis Energy (1-A energy which binds the entire Multiverse together as part of the totality) after being BFR’d there and returned to the space-time continuum. I doubt a GRB’s amount of energy would do anything to him.
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