Lupin III: I'm Broke Update

[Detective_Blizzard]

Howdy there everyone and welcome back to your scheduled Lupin updates! I know it's been a long while since the last revision bu- what's that? We just did one? AND IT WAS ACCEPTED IN LESS THAN A WEEK?! Well seems like we are just breaking new ground in general here folks!

This update will continue what a previous one did, finding the countless unknown factors of Gambling Games (and their manga) and sharing to you what feats are out there. Everything here is canon as per usual, will have it's sourced game next to it, and everything will be divided up by characters in order to see who has what. Some things might be new powers, some might just be additional examples, but regardless there will be more stuff for everyone. There will be some special feats included from other forms of mediums due to some feats here greatly benefiting from it's inclusion, such as an ability from Goemon because I am a biased AF he has a feat from Part 2 that will be very important for a certain Detective's giant fighting robots.

Additionally, Goemon's section includes new AP standards for the God Tier stuff in the verse. The current one literally involves a feat using in-universe information as opposed to visuals so the standards are already low in that regard, this is just placing them into more consistently shown levels as this is a single instance as opposed to something he's shown to do on repeated examples.


Now, without further ado folks,

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!! (Does anyone even watch these introduction videos?)


Goemon Ishikawa
As Goemon's stuff effects people later on, meaning his stuff goes first on account of immense bias it being easier from a reviewer perspective.

• Electricity Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and Resistance to Electricity Manipulation - Goemon is capable of generating and weaponizing lighting to his advantage, natural lightning too. The resistance comes from the fact he's unaffected by his own generation of it but additionally isn't harmed by standing in electrified water. Through this generation he's capable of amplifying not only his attacks, but his speed too. This allowed him to access the first form of the ancient Thunder Breathing technique Thunderclap and Flash, which he used to cut down a demon lady........ Wait are we on the right verse? (ONE COLLECTION and 2000 Carat Tears)
• Probability Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Causality Manipulation, Transmutation, and 4th Wall Breaking - Goemon has repeated examples changing probability via breaking/transmuting 4th wall objects. With this he can change a failure into success, completely sidestepping deadly scenarios. He can also do this to create bigger multipliers for himself or break statistical limits. (Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata, 2000 Carat Tears, Treasures of the Grand Voyageur, Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, and ONE COLLECTION)
• Space Manipulation - Goemon is repeatedly seen cutting through space. (Treasures of the Grand Voyageur and The Invitation from Zenigata)
• Danmaku and Superhuman Precision - Goemon is capable of unleashing a large number of ranged attacks in a single swing/swift barrage, slicing away everything in his environment even down to raindrops. (~Last Gold~, Chasing the Hidden Treasures of Tokugawa, 2000 Carat Tears, Erased Lupin, and The Invitation from Zenigata)
• Acrobatics - He do be moving (~Last Gold~)
• Enhanced Senses - Goemon is casually capable of maneuvering blind, offering him no disadvantages in a large scale fight with him being able to tell friend and foe apart despite no real indications. (~I'm a Super Hero~)
• Non-Physical Interaction and Limited Elemental Manipulation for Fire, Lightning, Light, Shadow, and Data - Goemon has sliced through repeated lightning, cut through and destroyed lasers, dispersed fire both red and purple, and struck down shadow and data versions of himself. These all fall under Limited Elemental Manip because the Zantetsuken is capable of utilizing elements that it can interact with for attacks, making these all applicable to it. (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, 2000 Carat Tears, and Erased Lupin)
• Precognition - Actual modern day use of Goemon and the Divine Eye, an ability which allows him to see into the future.
• Durability Negation via Extreme Heat Manipulation - The Zantetsuken is stated to have a high level of heat to it, with it being believe to be one of the reasons it can cut through anything. This trait is sometimes seen when Goemon cuts through something, leaving clear burns on what he's sliced. Since no heat is ever stated, it'd make sense to upscale it to the hottest thing it can cut since the blade would be considered superior to it. That'd be the melting point of steel 1530°C with a likely rating of 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit/27760 Celsius due to it's repeated examples of cutting mid-air lightning and withstanding dozens of lasers.. (Part 2 Episode 108: Iron Cutter Sword With Blues, Treasures of the Lupin Family)
• Durability Negation via Superhuman Precision, Limited Physics Manipulation and Matter Manipulation (Quantum) - A quantum supercomputer scanned Goemon's blade and determined it to be impossible for him to have destroyed the walls of the facility. Translation from the OG dialouge: "(あの扉を切断することは不可能です/A no o setsudan suru koto wa fukanō desu) = It is impossible to cut down that door.". Goemon's skill however allowed him to still cut down the wall despite it not making any sense, even for a machine that has far surpassed any supercomputer and human comprehension. This trait is further shown when he cuts the Time Crystal, a synthetic diamond generating quantum structures of non-equilibrium matter that repeat through time. Goemon destroyed not only the crystal itself but it's innerworkings which generated the Time Crystals via NV Centers that were 5 nm apart on average. This synthetic crystal was also repeatedly stated to be uncuttable, hence the durability negation. (Goodbye Partner)

The difference between the two durability negations is that one is native to the blade while the other is achieved via Goemon's own skill, resulting them being listed in different tabs.
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• Alright, let's do this one last time... for real this time. Goemon's Zantetsuken, alongside other God-Tier items like Hawk's Axes and Super Arrest Rush (Check Zeni-Robo), should be listed as 5-A/461 Yottatons. This result comes from this accepted calculation of Goemon cutting the moon. This is not the only time Goemon has cut the moon in half as he's done it 3 times (last one's hard to see but that's definitely the moon with other knowledgeable members agreeing on it being so). Goemon cutting the moon has been a talked about and debated subject in the Lupin community (to the point of false rumors about him doing so to beat a werewolf) but at this point there's actively no reason to deny it, especially compared to the current standards for his blade. The only possible counter arguments from the calculated one and the 3rd time is whether or not it's meant to be taken literally, since the verse clearly still has a moon despite the multiple destructions. Given the sheer number of times (some having alternative versions of the feat encouraging the narrative) it's hard to argue that the intent behind the feats, TMS definitely think Goemon could cut the moon in half with it being repeatedly supported. The problem with the 2nd feat is obvious size difference, this feat however is specifically Detective Conan describing the characters which makes it damn near a word of god given that kid's intelligence + it being an entirely in-house job for TMS. So while it might not be an actual physical example, it does heavily support arguments pointing towards the blade being a moon cutter. (Additionally the fact that his current AP value is tied to an obvious difference in in-universe information and visual information makes this feat literally on-par with one another)​

For additional reasonings on why Goemon's blade should be much higher than City Block, he has repeated showings of him slicing and splitting clouds. Sometimes to the point of complete dispersal casually. While this isn't on the same level to any extent, it's a clear indicator that his limits is far higher than what his profile suggests as it uses one of the lowest feats he has.​

• Can negate fairy magic via- WHOS MESSING WITH MY SCRIPT (Erased Lupin, optional equipment for a Butterfly Net)

Lupin III
As the main character, Lupin's bound to gain a few tricks to catch you by surprise

• Surface Scaling, All Terrain Mobility, Flight with the use of technical devices, Speed Amplification, Limited Summoning, and Resistance to Magma - At long last Lupin's cars makes it onto the scene as primary equipment with abilities. This thing has it all folks, the ability to drive on walls, free flight, swim through magma, jet boosters to dramatically increase speed, and the best part is you can just have it come to you instead of walking all the way! While yes, these aren't all the same car, Lupin's standard equipment is his peak Fiat which would have all of these traits including the Mercedes-Benz as Lupin has upgraded that thing to hell and back and it wouldn't make much sense if the car he uses 99% of the time was inferior to the one he's hardly ever used since the 1970s.(Zenigata is the Main Character 4, ~I'm a Super Hero~, 2000 Carat Tears, and The Invitation from Zenigata)
• Light Manipulation - THINK FAST CHUCKLENUTS! Can also create a blinding flash via his lighter. (Lupin the Third World Dissection and 2000 Carat Tears)
• Causality Manipulation, 4th Wall Breaking - Lupin is capable of changing past failures into a success, tearing it away as if it was a mask. (S Lupin the Third)
• Thread Manipulation, Energy Projection, Acrobatics - Lupin's watch allows his to Spider-Man around and allows for quick mobility in a pinch.... Oh yeah and it can be used to fire off an energy attack, clashing and overpowering a magical blast but who cares really? (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, 2000 Carat Tears)
• Hammer space, Explosives Manipulation, Summoning, Transmutation, Danmaku- An often overlooked aspect of Lupin is his capability to have...... well practically anything on his person. He is capable of summoning and changing objects on the fly, even those of a large scale! With this he can just send missile attacks for repeated attack barrages. (Lupin Zero, Return of Pycal, Erased Lupin, ~Last Gold~, 2000 Carat Tears) Due to this fact, this changes some of Lupin's optional equipment since the amount of items he can carry increases DRASTICALLY

Spoiler: Equipment Swap

List of optional equipment moving to standard due to them being reasonable with hammerspace.
'''Sleep Manipulation''' with sleeping sprays and tranquilizer darts
'''Explosion Manipulation''' with various explosives
'''Smoke Manipulation''' with various gadgets and bombs
'''Energy''' '''Absorption''' - Made a super miniature battery which could absorb 1,000,000 volts of energy
'''Enhanced Senses''' with various vision goggles (night vision, x-ray, and etc)
'''Light Manipulation''' with flashbangs
'''Magnetism Manipulation''' with various portable magnets
'''Paralysis Inducement''' with paralyzing spray
'''Adhesive Manipulation''' - With sticky bombs
'''Sound Manipulation''' with a micro-sized high frequency wave generator
'''Electricity Manipulation''' - By using two metal rods, Lupin was able to send electrical strikes towards his opponent.
'''Magic Reflection''' - By utilizing a magic mirror, Lupin is capable of reflecting magical attacks back at the opponent
''Ice Manipulation''' with liquid nitrogen spray

All of these should be items easily carriable on Lupin's person via hammerspace or summoning. The rest of his items are either situational based (like Augmented Reality, which needs him to prep) or far too unlikely that he'd keep it inside of hammerspace (Like vehicles or a time machine or memory removing bubbles that's require specific upkeep), though since he had everything including a kitchen fridge in there I can see some debate.

• Flight with the use of technical devices - Lupin has several means of flight on had for any scenario. (~I'm a Super Hero~ and Erased Lupin)
• Duplication, Teleportation, Stealth Mastery, Smoke Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Toon Force - A trait of Lupin's which hasn't been showcased much is his ability to not be hit. Lupin is capable of replacing himself with false duplicates after being hit, which are capable of independent action despite often being rather simple in design. This ability can even be used to comically illogical levels such as the time he dressed up as Zenigata to fight his own fake duplicate. These duplicates also have sleeping gas in them to knock out opponents. (Return of Pycal, The Columbus Files, Erased Lupin, Treasures of the Lupin Family, and ~I'm a Super Hero~)
• Summoning - Can summon Lupin Robo at a press of a button; Lupin Robo should have all of the stats and abilities of Zenigata Robo outside of Hive Mind, Resistance to Zantetsuken, and what's referenced in the next section due to it functionally being the exact same robot, with these factors being things Lupin Robo has never showcased that are either outside of the scope of base Zeni-Robo or in the case of Probability Manipulation is just straight up disproven. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Limited Passive Probability Manipulation (1 Layer) - Upon hitting a special jackpot, Lupin can achieve a state known as the Immortal Phantom Thief. This state trumps all of the other probability hax in the verse (except 1 example) and completely removes the possibility of failure. Due to this being a gameplay thing it'd be hard to gauge how Lupin can achieve it normally, as it is literally random outside of using other means of probability hax on himself, however a more consistent in-universe means is via Super Arrest Rush which uses it as part of it's transformation. More on that on Zenigata's section. This ability is limited on Lupin himself due to it being actual random chance but it's normal on Lupin Robo as it's just a transformation for it. (P Lupin the Third: The First, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Social Influence (Social Position) - Another example of the crazy high-value heists Lupin pulls weekly. (~I'm a Super Hero~)
• Attack Reflection - Lupin was able to redirect rockets to avoid being hit. He additionally reflects an energy attack back at it's owner. (The World is Mine, Erased Lupin)
• Sleep Manipulation via tranquillizer bullets (Treasures of the Lupin Family)
• Illusion Creation, and Social Influence (Fear) - Lupin is capable of creating multiple illusionary versions of himself to avoid being hit. Then proceeds to intimidate them into surrender. (2000 Carat Tears)
• Hacking - Lupin is capable of hacking through 9 firewalls in 6 seconds. He alternatively can just hack through multiple at once for even quicker times. (Erased Lupin)
• Optional Attack Reflection - Has a giant net on his boat capable of reflecting conventional attacks back at opponents. (Erased Lupin)
• Range - Lupin is able to hit a shot from across the city (ONE COLLECTION)
• Optional Immortality (Type 1), Passive Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation and Resistance to Age Manipulation - Lupin owns the Eternal Diamond, an artifact capable of- OI FUJIKO STOP STEALING MY FEATS! (2000 Carat Tears)

Koichi Zenigata

Since Pops has a bunch of his own solo games, he naturally has quite a selection to go through.

• Preparation and Construction - Zenigata's no slouch when it comes to what he can do during times of preparation. From the simple things like woodcarving, to more combat oriented things like creating robots. These robots are numerous in nature with the basic hierarchy structure being dozens of Massed Produced Zeni-Robos (Small guys), 3 Lupin Gang Subjugation Robots (The robots that look like Lupin) with 1 Zenigata Robo commanding the group. These robots mainly scale or downscale from the main cast, and due to not having much individual presence or abilities they will be lumped together. All the robots have Danmaku due to being able to overwhelm enemies with bullet barrages and are equipped with melee weapons. The singular exception to this generalization are the Zenigata Robos as these are Zenigata's strongest trump cards and have the most showcases and abilities out of all of them (Seriously the other 2 robot types just kinda shoot at stuff or swing a robo baton/hand blade). (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, The World is Mine) All of them however are optional equipment by default.... however
• Summoning - Zenigata is capable of calling his robots to him, allowing him to gain back-up in case of high-threat scenarios. Due to ICPO's planetary nature, this can work basically anywhere on the planet. Additionally this showcases how many Zenigata Robos there are, which has a bare minimum of 14 and a medium end of 294 depending on if you think all of those boxes are different warehouses for Zenigata Robos and each has a similar size to the one we see Zenigata call from. I say they are since the screen itself is entirely dedicated to Zenigata Robo specifically with there likely being far higher numbers as these warehouses are making multiples of them at once with this number simply assuming that each one only has 1 completed robot inside it, which is unlikely. Difference between optional equipment robots and this is the fact it'd take some time for Zenigata to have these to his location, as opposed to him simply starting in them which could result in a loss as they are he could easily lose to a character before they arrive. (The World is Mine)
• Social Influence (Leadership) and Limited Optional Summoning - Zenigata naturally works with and has commanded many officers at once (including the non-standard police type) and can call them to a fight if needed. The upper limit to his command has been shown when he attacked Lupin with 1 million officers at once! Naturally, this aspect of him runs into some problems with SBA rules of outside influence but as it's a pretty notable part of his character and series it would be wrong to not include it in his profile. Because of this they are listed as being optional as it should be fine to grant him officers to be used in a fight, as he has literal decades of examples showcasing how he does so. (Likely to be made more standard if I ever get around to making an ICPO update, as the organization has A LOT going for them with many of Zenigata's traits just being a portion of their abilities. Far more than enough to warrant a profile on their own.) (The First, Mystery of Mamo, Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata)
• ICPO Tech has resistance to Hacking and Unconventional Shapeshifting - Due to their #1 enemy being Lupin III, ICPO has had to make their defenses highly advanced in order to keep Lupin on his toes. Their technology requires a insanely high level of detail where anything less than a literal exact 1 to 1 copy is unlikely to bypass their confirmation systems with hacking attempts being met with 9 walls of firewalls which will lock the user out if they don't complete it in 6 seconds. (The World is Mine, Erased Lupin)
• Higher Durability with Muscle Z - Zenigata is bulletproof while in this transformation, additionally he should have "higher with Muscle Z" listed after all his physical stats as the drink gives him a notable increase (Don't know why I didn't put that in when the ability was first added lol) (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Hammerspace - Zenigata, much like everyone else, is capable of storing far more than what he should normally. Unlike Lupin who just keeps random stuff inside of his space Zenigata mostly just keeps food, handcuffs, and explosives in there meaning the only change in Zenigata's equipment list is that. (Zenigata is the Main Character 2, Italian Dreams, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Vehicle Mastery, Fire Manipulation, Toon Force, Underwater Breathing - Zenigata is capable of riding his bike fast enough catch fire. He additionally is capable of biking underwater. He now also begins his long list of Naval units with a large battleship capable of underwater traversal. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Erased Lupin)
• Acrobatics, Rage Boost, Fire Manipulation - Zenigata generates fire around his eyes and legs though his anger, running alongside a wall and no selling a rock to the face in order to capture Lupin. Capable of generating a flaming tiger with his handcuffs. He additionally was able to generate massive flaming pillars throughout an entire theme park which should put his Fire Manip in the same range category as his guns since an average theme park has a 1.5 kilometer circumference which gives a range of 477 meters. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin the End)
• Fire Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, unconventional Marksmanship - A sign of his ancestor, Zenigata is capable of using coins in combat. He can create a fiery explosion with them and use them to trip up opponents allowing for easier shots. (Erased Lupin, ~Last Gold~)
• Light Manipulation, Limited Homing Attack - Zenigata is capable of maneuvering his thrown handcuffs to follow moving targets. Should be capable of using his handcuffs like a flashbang. (~I'm a Super Hero~)
• Resistance to Fire, Magma and Extreme Heat - Zenigata is naturally unaffecting by his own flames, and is perfectly fine within an active Volcano. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• 4th Wall Breaking, Limited Toon Force - Zenigata is capable of forcibly pulling back the scene in order to go into a different one. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Spoiler: Zenigata Robo

This section is entirely for Zenigata Robo, many of these traits have already been accepted though haven't been put on the proper profile due to the weird scenario the verse is statistically. Regardless this accepted calc should have literally 0 issues being used for it's base AP and General Base Durability since that's directly something the robot does with it having no other comparable scaling outside of Zantetuken and just being generally bulletproof.

• Large Size (Type 1) - The robot is consistently depicted at a large size, towering over others and in general is about 5 stories tall. (Erased Lupin, Lupin III H, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Inorganic Physiology (Type 2) and Bodily Weaponry (Artifical)- These are robots filled with weapons..... that kinda explains itself lol. It does come with an interesting weakness however as it has a mechanical heart which powers it, which can cause a temporary shut down if stopped (Though self-resurrection means this can simply lead to a instant power-up) (Zenigata is the Main Character 2)
• Lifting Strength - Should be listed as Class 50/Class K, as the Zenigata Robo is capable of effortlessly restraining the gang members and since it's literally Zenigata except it's made of metal and is about 11.73 times larger than him (20.53 vs 1.75 meters). So it shouldn't be a controversial multiplier to apply, at least until actual calculations for it can be applied, as the robot very likely weighs similar amounts due to sheer size + being loaded to the literal brim with weaponry and random stuff.
• Energy Projection and Light Manipulation - Is capable of firing laser beams from it's eyes, with a mouth cannon strong enough to create city level explosions (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)
• Heat Manipulation, Limited Electricity Manipulation, and Limited Smoke Manipulaion (Not Combat Applicable) alongside a resistance to all of it - The Zenigata-Robo passively generates these simply by powering up (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Organic Manipulation, Hammerspace - By pulling on the tie of the robot, it can generate food items via a Zeni-Gacha system. Additionally as seen with a bunch of other examples the robot is comedically full of weapons to the point of absurdity with there still being room for Zenigata to pilot it inside, despite being shown as being practically hollow in some areas. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)
• Limited Sealing - The inside of Zenigata Robo can be used as a cage, utilizing it's insane durability for a win-con. (Lupin III H)
• Danmaku - Zeni-Robo is equipped with dual mini-gun arms, allowing his to subdue more traditionally skilled opponents via sheer firepower. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Limited Thread and Metal Manipulation - Capable of firing off large handcuffs capable of fulling grappling humans. (Lupin III H)
• Regeneration (Mid-Low) and Extremely High Resistance to Bladed Weapons (5-A), Probability Manipulation, Space Manipulation, Extreme Heat, Limited Physics Manipulation, and Matter Manipulation (Quantum) - Was specifically designed to counter the Zantetsuken via a special coating based on the properties of konnyaku, the one thing that Goemon and the blade cannot cut (as goofy as it sounds, yes, this is somehow a consistent trait of konnyaku). Thanks to it attacks from the blade hardly do a thing to harm it with it only being able to knock Robo down at best. (Lupin III H, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Explosion Manipulation - Zenigata-Robo is capable of firing missiles from it's mouth and hat. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)
• Limited Ressurection - Capable of reviving itself if it sustains too much damage. Upon doing so it'll automatically enter Super Arrest Rush. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• 4th Wall Breaking, Limited Toon Force - ZeniRobo is capable of doing similar feats of Toon Force as Zenigata.
• Information Analysis - Has a full 3d hud that shows the surroundings as well as the status of the robot (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Hive Mind and Large Size (Type 5)- Has an orbital satellite to shoot lasers down onto enemies, which is larger than the planet. Should be listed as a 5-A feat scaling to the Zantetsuken's power as this is a Super Arrest Rush exclusive move. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)
• Speed Amplification, Flight, and Instinctive Actions - Zenirobo is capable of increasing it's speed via jets on it's lower body. Capable of flying and operating without a pilot with these. This is thanks to the robot's AI system allowing for Zenigata to not even be in a fight for it to function. (Only has average intellegence at best) (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H, Erased Lupin)
• Awakened Power, Transformation, Light Manipulation, Passive Probability Manipulation (2 Layers), Self Statistics Manipulation, and all abilities and offensive stats dramatically increased - Zenigata-Robo is capable of entering Super Arrest Rush which dramatically increases Zenigata's odds of success to the point of fighting and overpowering game overs alongside creating new probabilities, empowers all of his abilities and stats, and causes the robot to glow golden with a rainbow aura. On a more specific level it completely guarantees success, so much to the point that it can overpower Lupin's own version which removes the possibility of failure. It is also capable of increasing it's own timer to prolong it's effect. Additionally, this effect is not limited to the Robo as it grants Zenigata "Heaven Mode" which guarantees him at least one successful arrest on his target (Shown to be up to 3 targets at once). This effect is capable of looping itself creating a theoretical infinite loop of Super Arrest Rushes and Heaven Modes. (With increasingly lower odds of it working after each successive loop) The stat for it should be 5-A as it's satellite fits the bill via sheer size, it evens out with it's base durability, and Goemon is just incapable of doing anything to this form even with all the Zantetsuken's abilities. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Daisuke Jigen

Next one up the block is a reliable character, what he lacks in high end nonsense he makes up for in coolness.

• Skill/Range - Jigen out-snipes a sniper on top of a skyscraper from the bottom of it. (Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata)
• Space Manipulation - Jigen breaks space by shooting his gun (Fun fact, his name means dimensions) (Treasures of the Grand Voyageur)
• Marksmanship, Attack Reflection - Jigen can ricochet his bullets off of enemies to destroy multiple of them, shoot projectiles in order to cause them to hit enemies. (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, Erased Lupin)
• Acrobatics - Does a bunch of acrobatics here (~Last Gold~)
• Vehicle Mastery - Gives Jigen a feat of flying a plane that DOESN'T involve him getting shot out of the sky and instead has him cause helicopters to shoot themselves down. (Erased Lupin)
• Explosion Manipulation - Jigen has explosive bullets in case he needs some extra firepower/smoke cover. (Erased Lupin)
• Non-Physical Interactions - Jigen destroys some lasers by shooting them, shot an energy blast back at his opponent. Was able to shoot down copies of himself made out of digital code. (Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, Lupin III H)
• Overwhelming Aura - Not in the actual power/ability way, just in every other aspect (Joke, this is just another example of Analytical Prediction and Attack Reflection) (2000 Carat Tears)

Fujiko Mine

Alright folks, we made it to the finale! As per usual Fujiko will get her daily 1/0 feats and I- HOLD UP SHE ACTUALLY GETS SOMETHING COOL TODAY?!?!?!?!

• Probability Manipulation - Much like the rest of the cast, she shoots, she jackpots. (The Invitation from Zenigata)
• Hammerspace, Flight with the use of technical devices - Fujiko, akin to Lupin, also hides stuff within her outfits like an entire hang-glider. (I'm trying to make her look good I swear) (～I'm a Super hero～)
• Hacking - Has a floppy disk capable of hacking into security systems, proceeds to dodge lasers after triggering backup security. (Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower)
• Optional Immortality (Type 1), Passive Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation, Resistance to Age Manipulation - Fujiko owns the Eternal Diamond, a gem capable of granting eternal/ultimate beauty. Those who wield it are returned to their prime, having it removed however reverts you back to your natural age. This gem however is also known as the Bloody Diamond, as it's dazzling charm causes women who see it to turn on one another, killing for their prize. Fujiko is the one who originally wanted the diamond, Lupin said it was meant for her (to share), and while it looked like he tossed it away he simply kept it in his bathroom as he was likely just teaching Fujiko a lesson about trying to trick him. (2000 Carat Tears)
• Resistance to Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation - Fujiko wasn't effected by any of those negative effects (2000 Carat Tears)
• Unconventional Shapeshifting - Fujiko was able to fake rapidly aging and de-aging with disguises. (2000 Carat Tears)
• Acrobatics - She do be moving tho (ONE COLLECTION)

General

This is just something for all the cast to have as they all utilize disguises.

• Limited Damage Reduction - Disguises are capable of tanking hits for the user, preventing some types of elemental damage from effecting them as they are torn off. This is only really effective on types of attacks which take some time to effect/wouldn't harm them due to wearing the suit like slow acid or contact based poisons. (Chasing the Hidden Treasures of Tokugawa)
• Unconventional Shapeshifting - Not really a new ability or anything, just changes everyone's Shapeshifting to Unconventional since it's been drawn to my attention that you need to be able to change yourself genetically which the cast don't. They however still have this ability due to disguises basically covering all the conventional uses for Shapeshifting such as replicating someone else's body and voice, changing your own age and looks, replicating certain genetic aspects like retinal scans and fingerprints, ect with this being a power that can be used on demand without prep.

And with that, I am finally done with Slot Machines and have fully recovered from my gambling addictions. Now I only have one final issue to address.....

Agree: ActuallySpaceMan42 (Neutral on Goemon Space Manip) FinePoint (Disagree on space manip)

Disagree:

The IRS:

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Title reference bump

 

[Tonygameman]

Thieving bump.

 

[FinePoint]

LET'S GO GAMBLING!!! (Does anyone even watch these introduction videos?)

I do not. Also, just evaluating this verse makes me feel like I'm going to Hell.

Goemon Ishikawa
As Goemon's stuff effects people later on, meaning his stuff goes first on account of immense bias it being easier from a reviewer perspective.

• Electricity Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, and Resistance to Electricity Manipulation - Goemon is capable of generating and weaponizing lighting to his advantage, natural lightning too. The resistance comes from the fact he's unaffected by his own generation of it but additionally isn't harmed by standing in electrified water. Through this generation he's capable of amplifying not only his attacks, but his speed too. This allowed him to access the first form of the ancient Thunder Breathing technique Thunderclap and Flash, which he used to cut down a demon lady........ Wait are we on the right verse? (ONE COLLECTION and 2000 Carat Tears)

First two scans are very vague, but the rest seems fine. Also, is that really what it's called? I don't speak Korean or whatever.

• Probability Manipulation, Statistics Amplification, Causality Manipulation, Transmutation, and 4th Wall Breaking - Goemon has repeated examples changing probability via breaking/transmuting 4th wall objects. With this he can change a failure into success, completely sidestepping deadly scenarios. He can also do this to create bigger multipliers for himself or break statistical limits. (Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata, 2000 Carat Tears, Treasures of the Grand Voyageur, Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, and ONE COLLECTION)

Does this actually have an impact on the 'story' or is it just for the player's benefit? If the latter, it feels like just 4th Wall Breaking is more appropriate.

• Space Manipulation - Goemon is repeatedly seen cutting through space. (Treasures of the Grand Voyageur and The Invitation from Zenigata)

The sheer quantity of flashing lights and colors is nauseating here.
Anyway, I'm not sure this is spatial manipulation so much as more 4th Wall Breaking- unless there's more statements/context.

• Danmaku and Superhuman Precision - Goemon is capable of unleashing a large number of ranged attacks in a single swing/swift barrage, slicing away everything in his environment even down to raindrops. (~Last Gold~, Chasing the Hidden Treasures of Tokugawa, 2000 Carat Tears, Erased Lupin, and The Invitation from Zenigata)

Seems fine.

• Acrobatics - He do be moving (~Last Gold~)

He do.

• Enhanced and Extrasensory Senses - Goemon is casually capable of maneuvering blind, offering him no disadvantages in a large scale fight with him being able to tell friend and foe apart despite no real indications. (~I'm a Super Hero~)

Without more context, probably just Enhanced Senses rather than also Extrasensory Perception.

• Non-Physical Interaction and Limited Elemental Manipulation for Fire, Lightning, Light, Shadow, and Data - Goemon has sliced through repeated lightning, cut through and destroyed lasers, dispersed fire both red and purple, and struck down shadow and data versions of himself. These all fall under Limited Elemental Manip because the Zantetsuken is capable of utilizing elements that it can interact with for attacks, making these all applicable to it. (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, 2000 Carat Tears, and Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Precognition - Actual modern day use of Goemon and the Divine Eye, an ability which allows him to see into the future.

I'm assuming this is from the text? Would probably need a Translation Helper to confirm, since I still don't speak Korean. Seems fine if translated correctly.

• Durability Negation via Extreme Heat Manipulation - The Zantetsuken is stated to have a high level of heat to it, with it being believe to be one of the reasons it can cut through anything. This trait is sometimes seen when Goemon cuts through something, leaving clear burns on what he's sliced. Since no heat is ever stated, it'd make sense to upscale it to the hottest thing it can cut since the blade would be considered superior to it. That'd be 50,000 degrees Fahrenheit/27760 Celsius due to it's repeated examples of cutting mid-air lightning. (Part 2 Episode 108: Iron Cutter Sword With Blues, Treasures of the Lupin Family)

I'm fine with this in principal, but I don't think we can just assume it scales to the lightning since that requires NPI anyway. We should probably use the melting point of steel due to the train.

• Durability Negation via Superhuman Precision, Limited Physics Manipulation and Matter Manipulation (Quantum) - A quantum supercomputer scanned Goemon's blade and determined it to be impossible for him to have destroyed the walls of the facility. Translation from the OG dialouge: "(あの扉を切断することは不可能です/A no o setsudan suru koto wa fukanō desu) = It is impossible to cut down that door.". Goemon's skill however allowed him to still cut down the wall despite it not making any sense, even for a machine that has far surpassed any supercomputer and human comprehension. This trait is further shown when he cuts the Time Crystal, a synthetic diamond generating quantum structures of non-equilibrium matter that repeat through time. Goemon destroyed not only the crystal itself but it's innerworkings which generated the Time Crystals via NV Centers that were 5 nm apart on average. This synthetic crystal was also repeatedly stated to be uncuttable, hence the durability negation. (Goodbye Partner)

Again would need a Translation Helper to confirm this. Seems fine if translated correctly.

• Alright, let's do this one last time... for real this time. Goemon's Zantetsuken, alongside other God-Tier items like Hawk's Axes and Super Arrest Rush (Check Zeni-Robo), should be listed as 5-A/461 Yottatons. This result comes from this accepted calculation of Goemon cutting the moon. This is not the only time Goemon has cut the moon in half as he's done it 3 times (last one's hard to see but that's definitely the moon with other knowledgeable members agreeing on it being so). Goemon cutting the moon has been a talked about and debated subject in the Lupin community (to the point of false rumors about him doing so to beat a werewolf) but at this point there's actively no reason to deny it, especially compared to the current standards for his blade. The only possible counter arguments from the calculated one and the 3rd time is whether or not it's meant to be taken literally, since the verse clearly still has a moon despite the multiple destructions. Given the sheer number of times (some having alternative versions of the feat encouraging the narrative) it's hard to argue that the intent behind the feats, TMS definitely think Goemon could cut the moon in half with it being repeatedly supported. The problem with the 2nd feat is obvious size difference, this feat however is specifically Detective Conan describing the characters which makes it damn near a word of god given that kid's intelligence + it being an entirely in-house job for TMS. So while it might not be an actual physical example, it does heavily support arguments pointing towards the blade being a moon cutter. (Additionally the fact that his current AP value is tied to an obvious difference in in-universe information and visual information makes this feat literally on-par with one another)​

For additional reasonings on why Goemon's blade should be much higher than City Block, he has repeated showings of him slicing and splitting clouds. Sometimes to the point of complete dispersal casually. While this isn't on the same level to any extent, it's a clear indicator that his limits is far higher than what his profile suggests as it uses one of the lowest feats he has.​

Seems fine to me.

• Can negate fairy magic via- WHOS MESSING WITH MY SCRIPT (Erased Lupin, optional equipment for a Butterfly Net)

I'm a little confused. Are we adding or removing the butterfly net from optional equipment?

Now, I have to leave soon, and this is taking a while, so I'll have to evaluate the other characters later.
Remind me tomorrow to continue this.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I do not. Also, just evaluating this verse makes me feel like I'm going to Hell.

Try going through the verse to find feats lol. Think I've seen enough Pachinko machines to induce seizures.

First two scans are very vague, but the rest seems fine. Also, is that really what it's called? I don't speak Korean or whatever.

Japanese, and no it's not called that it's just a Demon Slayer reference. I just make the jokes largely for my own sanity. While the first two are vauge they act as supporting evidence for the other, more clear electricity generation (What he does in the first two aren't normal visuals for the blade)

Does this actually have an impact on the 'story' or is it just for the player's benefit? If the latter, it feels like just 4th Wall Breaking is more appropriate.

Both, as glorified slot machines the odds of probability naturally alter how different scenes and story dictate. A failing roll does result in outright failure, be it animated or implied. A pretty clear example of this in this CRT is the Lupin example of causality as it shows both versions of events in the scene.

The sheer quantity of flashing lights and colors is nauseating here.
Anyway, I'm not sure this is spatial manipulation so much as more 4th Wall Breaking- unless there's more statements/context.

Again, welcome to my life

As for more statements/context, it can be hard to gauge the difference between the two in the verse however teleportation is shown to have a similar effect hence my rating. If you disagree with that then fair.

Without more context, probably just Enhanced Senses rather than also Extrasensory Perception.

Very well

I'm assuming this is from the text? Would probably need a Translation Helper to confirm, since I still don't speak Korean. Seems fine if translated correctly.

No, this is simply another example of an established ability. The Divine Eye is a instinct based precognition which lets him see into the future, which is capable of seeing entire fights in a single moment.

I'm fine with this in principal, but I don't think we can just assume it scales to the lightning since that requires NPI anyway. We should probably use the melting point of steel due to the train.

The blade has repeated statements of being able to cut through anything in nature, with there being other sources of heat from that it overcame. (Blue fire is hotter than the melting point of steel). Plus it already has a resistance to this level of heat by-proxy of withstanding mid-air lightning, if you feel that it should be a lesser version then fair but since it's nature of cutting through anything comes from heat I do personally feel like it being able to cut through something extremely hot should qualify it as superior.

Edit because I just remembered context from the bloody episode: There actually is evidence supporting the idea of being hotter than the melting point of steel. In the very same episode the old man tries repeatedly to create a blade to slice through the Zantetsuken, however despite his blades being the exact same temperature as their melting points and never cooling, they never come close to harming it in any way. This is to the point of them actively breaking upon contact with Zantetsuken. (Only reason I ain't showing a clip of it is because of the fact that the girl is way too exposed for me to comfortably post it with these guidelines)

Again would need a Translation Helper to confirm this. Seems fine if translated correctly.

Got the translation from one, so none needed.

I'm a little confused. Are we adding or removing the butterfly net from optional equipment?

Adding, again just me joking for the sake of my sanity.

Now, I have to leave soon, and this is taking a while, so I'll have to evaluate the other characters later.
Remind me tomorrow to continue this.

Completely fair, thank you for your time and input. This verse will one day give me nightmares from the amount of research I put into it so I apologize if any of the Type 3 Madness gets passed on.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I mostly agree with Finge Points' evaluation on the first one, hard to discern Spatial Manipulation from 4th Wall Breaking.

Aside from that, this CRT has been an LSD trip and seems good.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I mostly agree with Finge Points' evaluation on the first one, hard to discern Spatial Manipulation from 4th Wall Breaking.

Is that a point in favor of either or simply a neutral.

Aside from that, this CRT has been an LSD trip and seems good.

Thank you for your time, always appreciated, and thankfully I made sure this is the last of these LSD filled updates. Everything after this is more normal, conventional drug filled CRTs with anime and games that don't leave me bankrupt! (I say knowing full well the next update involves a man who's immortality is literally tied to him being an island and drugs that can trap you into cognitive worlds)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Is that a point in favor of either or simply a neutral.

You addressed most of his points, so it's fine, the only thing I'm neutral towards in the Spatial Manip.

Thank you for your time, always appreciated, and thankfully I made sure this is the last of these LSD filled updates. Everything after this is more normal, conventional drug filled CRTs with anime and games that don't leave me bankrupt! (I say knowing full well the next update involves a man who's immortality is literally tied to him being an island and drugs that can trap you into cognitive worlds)

Yay

 

[FinePoint]

I mostly agree with Finge Points

Finge Points. My nemesis.

Snip.

Alright, it all seems fine then except for Spatial Manipulation, which I do still think is too vague, and some more comments on the heat:

The temperature of lightning is extremely misleading because it exists for such a brief time that it doesn't actually do much. For example, regular humans have been struck by lightning and not vaporized, so his sword being near it without damage isn't saying much either.

That is to say, in reality, heat energy and its impact on other objects has many aspects: temperature, distance/medium, and time. The temperature is high, the distance is low, but the time is so brief that almost nothing actually gets transferred.

In reality, if you were able to interact with it like a solid object, a lightning bolt should be really easy to split because it's essentially made up of particles which are barely connected anyway, hence the high temperature reading.

That said, as "Possibly"'s biggest fan, I think it would work as something like: "(At least [melting point of steel], possibly [temperature of lightning])".

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

.Alright, it all seems fine then except for Spatial Manipulation, which I do still think is too vague

Fair

The temperature of lightning is extremely misleading because it exists for such a brief time that it doesn't actually do much. For example, regular humans have been struck by lightning and not vaporized, so his sword being near it without damage isn't saying much either.

That is to say, in reality, heat energy and its impact on other objects has many aspects: temperature, distance, and time. The temperature is high, the distance is low, but the time is so brief that almost nothing actually gets transferred.

In reality, if you were able to interact with it like a solid object, a lightning bolt should be really easy to split because it's essentially made up of particles which are barely connected anyway, hence the high temperature reading.

That said, as "Possibly"'s biggest fan, I think it would work as something like: "(At least [melting point of steel], possibly [temperature of lightning])".

I do understand these points about lightning, however profiles to my knowledge do typically allow this level of heat when dealing with Mid-Air lightning (as many of the properties related to lightning weakening is a product of being grounded). The Zantetsuken has been shown to directly clash and overcome lightning from a very high spot mid-air so I believe it should be applicable. This method is notable different than his NPI where I would agree no heat should be really affecting it.

If you still feel that it's not enough, then fair, but steel being the baseline seems very low given it's casual examples. There also also examples with lasers that heat/melt metal casually, with the Zantetsuken being able to tank dozens of them at once, though I can't grab the examples rn.

 

[FinePoint]

Lupin III
As the main character, Lupin's bound to gain a few tricks to catch you by surprise

• Surface Scaling, All Terrain Mobility, Flight with the use of technical devices, Speed Amplification, Limited Summoning, and Resistance to Magma - At long last Lupin's cars makes it onto the scene as primary equipment with abilities. This thing has it all folks, the ability to drive on walls, free flight, swim through magma, jet boosters to dramatically increase speed, and the best part is you can just have it come to you instead of walking all the way! While yes, these aren't all the same car, Lupin's standard equipment is his peak Fiat which would have all of these traits including the Mercedes-Benz as Lupin has upgraded that thing to hell and back and it wouldn't make much sense if the car he uses 99% of the time was inferior to the one he's hardly ever used since the 1970s.(Zenigata is the Main Character 4, ~I'm a Super Hero~, 2000 Carat Tears, and The Invitation from Zenigata)

Not sure that's really swimming in it, but either way seems fine.

• Light Manipulation - THINK FAST CHUCKLENUTS! Can also create a blinding flash via his lighter. (Lupin the Third World Dissection and 2000 Carat Tears)

Sure.

• Causality Manipulation, 4th Wall Breaking - Lupin is capable of changing past failures into a success, tearing it away as if it was a mask. (S Lupin the Third)

Assuming previous discussion also applies here, seems fine.

• Thread Manipulation, Energy Projection, Acrobatics - Lupin's watch allows his to Spider-Man around and allows for quick mobility in a pinch.... Oh yeah and it can be used to fire off an energy attack, clashing and overpowering a magical blast but who cares really? (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, 2000 Carat Tears)

Sure.

• Hammer space, Explosives Manipulation, Summoning, Transmutation, Danmaku- An often overlooked aspect of Lupin is his capability to have...... well practically anything on his person. He is capable of summoning and changing objects on the fly, even those of a large scale! With this he can just send missile attacks for repeated attack barrages. (Lupin Zero, Return of Pycal, Erased Lupin, ~Last Gold~, 2000 Carat Tears) Due to this fact, this changes some of Lupin's optional equipment since the amount of items he can carry increases DRASTICALLY

Seems fine.

List of optional equipment moving to standard due to them being reasonable with hammerspace.
'''Sleep Manipulation''' with sleeping sprays and tranquilizer darts
'''Explosion Manipulation''' with various explosives
'''Smoke Manipulation''' with various gadgets and bombs
'''Energy''' '''Absorption''' - Made a super miniature battery which could absorb 1,000,000 volts of energy
'''Enhanced Senses''' with various vision goggles (night vision, x-ray, and etc)
'''Light Manipulation''' with flashbangs
'''Magnetism Manipulation''' with various portable magnets
'''Paralysis Inducement''' with paralyzing spray
'''Adhesive Manipulation''' - With sticky bombs
'''Sound Manipulation''' with a micro-sized high frequency wave generator
'''Electricity Manipulation''' - By using two metal rods, Lupin was able to send electrical strikes towards his opponent.
'''Magic Reflection''' - By utilizing a magic mirror, Lupin is capable of reflecting magical attacks back at the opponent
''Ice Manipulation''' with liquid nitrogen spray

Scans?

All of these should be items easily carriable on Lupin's person via hammerspace or summoning. The rest of his items are either situational based (like Augmented Reality, which needs him to prep) or far too unlikely that he'd keep it inside of hammerspace (Like vehicles or a time machine or memory removing bubbles that's require specific upkeep), though since he had everything including a kitchen fridge in there I can see some debate.

• Flight with the use of technical devices - Lupin has several means of flight on had for any scenario. (~I'm a Super Hero~ and Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Duplication, Teleportation, Stealth Mastery, Smoke Manipulation, Sleep Manipulation, Toon Force - A trait of Lupin's which hasn't been showcased much is his ability to not be hit. Lupin is capable of replacing himself with false duplicates after being hit, which are capable of independent action despite often being rather simple in design. This ability can even be used to comically illogical levels such as the time he dressed up as Zenigata to fight his own fake duplicate. These duplicates also have sleeping gas in them to knock out opponents. (Return of Pycal, The Columbus Files, Erased Lupin, Treasures of the Lupin Family, and ~I'm a Super Hero~)

Doesn't really seem like Toon Force, rest is fine.

• Summoning - Can summon Lupin Robo at a press of a button; Lupin Robo should have all of the stats and abilities of Zenigata Robo outside of Hive Mind, Resistance to Zantetsuken, and what's referenced in the next section due to it functionally being the exact same robot, with these factors being things Lupin Robo has never showcased that are either outside of the scope of base Zeni-Robo or in the case of Probability Manipulation is just straight up disproven. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Limited Passive Probability Manipulation (1 Layer) - Upon hitting a special jackpot, Lupin can achieve a state known as the Immortal Phantom Thief. This state trumps all of the other probability hax in the verse (except 1 example) and completely removes the possibility of failure. Due to this being a gameplay thing it'd be hard to gauge how Lupin can achieve it normally, as it is literally random outside of using other means of probability hax on himself, however a more consistent in-universe means is via Super Arrest Rush which uses it as part of it's transformation. More on that on Zenigata's section. This ability is limited on Lupin himself due to it being actual random chance but it's normal on Lupin Robo as it's just a transformation for it. (P Lupin the Third: The First, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Gross, but sure.

• Social Influence (Immense Wealth) - Another example of the crazy high-value heists Lupin pulls weekly. (~I'm a Super Hero~)

Wealth isn't a listed use. This would probably fall under Social Position.

• Attack Reflection - Lupin was able to redirect rockets to avoid being hit. He additionally reflects an energy attack back at it's owner. (The World is Mine, Erased Lupin)

First case doesn't really seem like an ability, so much as something anyone could (theoretically) do with those rockets.

The second scan has so much epilepsy bait I couldn't tell what was even happening, could you maybe summarize it for me?

• Sleep Manipulation via tranquillizer bullets (Treasures of the Lupin Family)

Sleep Inducement, specifically.

• Illusion Creation, and Social Influence (Fear) - Lupin is capable of creating multiple illusionary versions of himself to avoid being hit. Then proceeds to intimidate them into surrender. (2000 Carat Tears)

Seems fine. The use is "Instigating Fear", though.

• Hacking - Lupin is capable of hacking through 9 firewalls in 6 seconds. He alternatively can just hack through multiple at once for even quicker times. (Erased Lupin)

Seems simple enough.

• Optional Attack Reflection - Has a giant net on his boat capable of reflecting conventional attacks back at opponents. (Erased Lupin)

Sure, though not sure optional is right word here.

• Range - Lupin is able to hit a shot from across the city (ONE COLLECTION)

Range isn't an ability...

• Optional Immortality (Type 1), Passive Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation and Resistance to Age Manipulation - Lupin owns the Eternal Diamond, an artifact capable of- OI FUJIKO STOP STEALING MY FEATS! (2000 Carat Tears)

Could I get just a crumb of context, please?

Koichi Zenigata

Since Pops has a bunch of his own solo games, he naturally has quite a selection to go through.

• Preparation and Construction - Zenigata's no slouch when it comes to what he can do during times of preparation. From the simple things like woodcarving, to more combat oriented things like creating robots. These robots are numerous in nature with the basic hierarchy structure being dozens of Massed Produced Zeni-Robos (Small guys), 3 Lupin Gang Subjugation Robots (The robots that look like Lupin) with 1 Zenigata Robo commanding the group. These robots mainly scale or downscale from the main cast, and due to not having much individual presence or abilities they will be lumped together. All the robots have Danmaku due to being able to overwhelm enemies with bullet barrages and are equipped with melee weapons. The singular exception to this generalization are the Zenigata Robos as these are Zenigata's strongest trump cards and have the most showcases and abilities out of all of them (Seriously the other 2 robot types just kinda shoot at stuff or swing a robo baton/hand blade). (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, The World is Mine) All of them however are optional equipment by default.... however

Sure.

• Summoning - Zenigata is capable of calling his robots to him, allowing him to gain back-up in case of high-threat scenarios. Due to ICPO's planetary nature, this can work basically anywhere on the planet. Additionally this showcases how many Zenigata Robos there are, which has a bare minimum of 14 and a medium end of 294 depending on if you think all of those boxes are different warehouses for Zenigata Robos and each has a similar size to the one we see Zenigata call from. I say they are since the screen itself is entirely dedicated to Zenigata Robo specifically with there likely being far higher numbers as these warehouses are making multiples of them at once with this number simply assuming that each one only has 1 completed robot inside it, which is unlikely. Difference between optional equipment robots and this is the fact it'd take some time for Zenigata to have these to his location, as opposed to him simply starting in them which could result in a loss as they are he could easily lose to a character before they arrive. (The World is Mine)

Sure.

• Social Influence (Leadership) and Limited Optional Summoning - Zenigata naturally works with and has commanded many officers at once (including the non-standard police type) and can call them to a fight if needed. The upper limit to his command has been shown when he attacked Lupin with 1 million officers at once! Naturally, this aspect of him runs into some problems with SBA rules of outside influence but as it's a pretty notable part of his character and series it would be wrong to not include it in his profile. Because of this they are listed as being optional as it should be fine to grant him officers to be used in a fight, as he has literal decades of examples showcasing how he does so. (Likely to be made more standard if I ever get around to making an ICPO update, as the organization has A LOT going for them with many of Zenigata's traits just being a portion of their abilities. Far more than enough to warrant a profile on their own.) (The First, Mystery of Mamo, Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata)

Sure.

• ICPO Tech has resistance to Hacking and Unconventional Shapeshifting - Due to their #1 enemy being Lupin III, ICPO has had to make their defenses highly advanced in order to keep Lupin on his toes. Their technology requires a insanely high level of detail where anything less than a literal exact 1 to 1 copy is unlikely to bypass their confirmation systems with hacking attempts being met with 9 walls of firewalls which will lock the user out if they don't complete it in 6 seconds. (The World is Mine, Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Higher Durability with Muscle Z - Zenigata is bulletproof while in this transformation, additionally he should have "higher with Muscle Z" listed after all his physical stats as the drink gives him a notable increase (Don't know why I didn't put that in when the ability was first added lol) (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Hammerspace - Zenigata, much like everyone else, is capable of storing far more than what he should normally. Unlike Lupin who just keeps random stuff inside of his space Zenigata mostly just keeps food, handcuffs, and explosives in there meaning the only change in Zenigata's equipment list is that. (Zenigata is the Main Character 2, Italian Dreams, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Vehicle Mastery, Fire Manipulation, Toon Force, Underwater Breathing - Zenigata is capable of riding his bike fast enough catch fire. He additionally is capable of biking underwater. He now also begins his long list of Naval units with a large battleship capable of underwater traversal. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Erased Lupin)

Not sure if this is enough for Toon Force, rest seems fine.

• Acrobatics, Rage Boost, Fire Manipulation - Zenigata generates fire around his eyes and legs though his anger, running alongside a wall and no selling a rock to the face in order to capture Lupin. Capable of generating a flaming tiger with his handcuffs. He additionally was able to generate massive flaming pillars throughout an entire theme park which should put his Fire Manip in the same range category as his guns since an average theme park has a 1.5 kilometer circumference which gives a range of 477 meters. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin the End)

Sure.

• Fire Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, unconventional Marksmanship - A sign of his ancestor, Zenigata is capable of using coins in combat. He can create a fiery explosion with them and use them to trip up opponents allowing for easier shots. (Erased Lupin, ~Last Gold~)

Sure.

• Light Manipulation, Homing Attack - Zenigata is capable of maneuvering his thrown handcuffs to follow moving targets. Should be capable of using his handcuffs like a flashbang. (~I'm a Super Hero~)

Not really a homing attack since he was controlling it the whole time. Not really seeing the flashbang thing.

• Resistance to Fire, Magma and Extreme Heat - Zenigata is naturally unaffecting by his own flames, and is perfectly fine within an active Volcano. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• 4th Wall Breaking, Non-Physical Interaction, Toon Force - Zenigata is capable of forcibly pulling back the scene in order to go into a different one. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Just 4th Wall Breaking is probably more appropriate, maybe Limited Toon Force since it actually moved him.

This section is entirely for Zenigata Robo, many of these traits have already been accepted though haven't been put on the proper profile due to the weird scenario the verse is statistically. Regardless this accepted calc should have literally 0 issues being used for it's base AP and General Base Durability since that's directly something the robot does with it having no other comparable scaling outside of Zantetuken and just being generally bulletproof.

• Large Size (Type 1) - The robot is consistently depicted at a large size, towering over others and in general is about 5 stories tall. (Erased Lupin, Lupin III H, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Inorganic Physiology (Type 2) and Bodily Weaponry (Artifical)- These are robots filled with weapons..... that kinda explains itself lol. It does come with an interesting weakness however as it has a mechanical heart which powers it, which can cause a temporary shut down if stopped (Though self-resurrection means this can simply lead to a instant power-up) (Zenigata is the Main Character 2)

Sure.

• Lifting Strength - Should be listed as Class 50/Class K, as the Zenigata Robo is capable of effortlessly restraining the gang members and since it's literally Zenigata except it's made of metal and is about 11.73 times larger than him (20.53 vs 1.75 meters). So it shouldn't be a controversial multiplier to apply, at least until actual calculations for it can be applied, as the robot very likely weighs similar amounts due to sheer size + being loaded to the literal brim with weaponry and random stuff.

Scan?

• Energy Projection and Light Manipulation - Is capable of firing laser beams from it's eyes, with a mouth cannon strong enough to create city level explosions (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)

Sure.

• Heat Manipulation, Limited Electricity Manipulation, and Limited Smoke Manipulaion (Not Combat Applicable) alongside a resistance to all of it - The Zenigata-Robo passively generates these simply by powering up (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Organic Manipulation, Hammerspace - By pulling on the tie of the robot, it can generate food items via a Zeni-Gacha system. Additionally as seen with a bunch of other examples the robot is comedically full of weapons to the point of absurdity with there still being room for Zenigata to pilot it inside, despite being shown as being practically hollow in some areas. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)

Hammerspace is fine, not sure about Organic Manipulation.

• Sealing - The inside of Zenigata Robo can be used as a cage, utilizing it's insane durability for a win-con. (Lupin III H)

Should probably be Limited since it relies on its durability.

• Danmaku - Zeni-Robo is equipped with dual mini-gun arms, allowing his to subdue more traditionally skilled opponents via sheer firepower. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Limited Thread and Metal Manipulation - Capable of firing off large handcuffs capable of fulling grappling humans. (Lupin III H)

Sure.

• Regeneration (Mid-Low) and Extremely High Resistance to Bladed Weapons (5-A), Probability Manipulation, Space Manipulation, Extreme Heat, Limited Physics Manipulation, and Matter Manipulation (Quantum) - Was specifically designed to counter the Zantetsuken via a special coating based on the properties of konnyaku, the one thing that Goemon and the blade cannot cut (as goofy as it sounds, yes, this is somehow a consistent trait of konnyaku). Thanks to it attacks from the blade hardly do a thing to harm it with it only being able to knock Robo down at best. (Lupin III H, Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

The bladed weapons thing should just be listed in the durability section.
Could you elaborate on why you think this is Probablity Manipulation, Space Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, and Matter Manipulation? I don't really see any of that from the scans.

• Explosion Manipulation - Zenigata-Robo is capable of firing missiles from it's mouth and hat. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H)

Sure.

• Limited Ressurection - Capable of reviving itself if it sustains too much damage. Upon doing so it'll automatically enter Super Arrest Rush. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• 4th Wall Breaking, Non-Physical Interaction, Toon Force - ZeniRobo is capable of doing similar feats of Toon Force as Zenigata.

Same as before. Just 4th Wall Breaking and Limited Toon Force.

• Information Analysis - Has a full 3d hud that shows the surroundings as well as the status of the robot (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Hive Mind and Large Size (Type 5)- Has an orbital satellite to shoot lasers down onto enemies, which is larger than the planet. Should be listed as a 5-A feat scaling to the Zantetsuken's power as this is a Super Arrest Rush exclusive move. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Sure.

• Speed Amplification, Flight, and Instinctive Actions - Zenirobo is capable of increasing it's speed via jets on it's lower body. Capable of flying and operating without a pilot with these. This is thanks to the robot's AI system allowing for Zenigata to not even be in a fight for it to function. (Only has average intellegence at best) (Zenigata is the Main Character 4, Lupin III H, Erased Lupin)

Sure, though not sure if Instinctive Action is appropriate since an AI is still consciously making decisions.

• Awakened Power, Transformation, Light Manipulation, Passive Probability Manipulation (2 Layers), Self Statistics Manipulation, and all abilities and offensive stats dramatically increased - Zenigata-Robo is capable of entering Super Arrest Rush which dramatically increases Zenigata's odds of success to the point of fighting and overpowering game overs alongside creating new probabilities, empowers all of his abilities and stats, and causes the robot to glow golden with a rainbow aura. On a more specific level it completely guarantees success, so much to the point that it can overpower Lupin's own version which removes the possibility of failure. It is also capable of increasing it's own timer to prolong it's effect. Additionally, this effect is not limited to the Robo as it grants Zenigata "Heaven Mode" which guarantees him at least one successful arrest on his target (Shown to be up to 3 targets at once). This effect is capable of looping itself creating a theoretical infinite loop of Super Arrest Rushes and Heaven Modes. (With increasingly lower odds of it working after each successive loop) The stat for it should be 5-A as it's satellite fits the bill via sheer size, it evens out with it's base durability, and Goemon is just incapable of doing anything to this form even with all the Zantetsuken's abilities. (Zenigata is the Main Character 4)

Gross, but sure.

Daisuke Jigen

Next one up the block is a reliable character, what he lacks in high end nonsense he makes up for in coolness.

• Skill/Range - Jigen out-snipes a sniper on top of a skyscraper from the bottom of it. (Lupin III: The Invitation from Zenigata)

What skill, and what range specifically?

• Space Manipulation - Jigen breaks space by shooting his gun (Fun fact, his name means dimensions) (Treasures of the Grand Voyageur)

Too vague.

• Marksmanship, Attack Reflection - Jigen can ricochet his bullets off of enemies to destroy multiple of them, shoot projectiles in order to cause them to hit enemies. (S Lupin the Third, ~Last Gold~, Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Acrobatics - Does a bunch of acrobatics here (~Last Gold~)

Sure.

• Vehicle Mastery - Gives Jigen a feat of flying a plane that DOESN'T involve him getting shot out of the sky and instead has him cause helicopters to shoot themselves down. (Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Explosion Manipulation - Jigen has explosive bullets in case he needs some extra firepower/smoke cover. (Erased Lupin)

Sure.

• Non-Physical Interactions - Jigen destroys some lasers by shooting them, shot an energy blast back at his opponent. Was able to shoot down copies of himself made out of digital code. (Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower, Lupin III H)

Sure.

• Overwhelming Aura - Not in the actual power/ability way, just in every other aspect (Joke, this is just another example of Analytical Prediction and Attack Reflection) (2000 Carat Tears)

I once again have no idea what's even happening, why do they bother animating this stuff if they're going to just cover it with six hundred particle effects?

Fujiko Mine

Alright folks, we made it to the finale! As per usual Fujiko will get her daily 1/0 feats and I- HOLD UP SHE ACTUALLY GETS SOMETHING COOL TODAY?!?!?!?!

• Probability Manipulation - Much like the rest of the cast, she shoots, she jackpots. (The Invitation from Zenigata)

On its own much more suspect, but probably fine given all the other characters have it.

• Hammerspace, Flight with the use of technical devices - Fujiko, akin to Lupin, also hides stuff within her outfits like an entire hang-glider. (I'm trying to make her look good I swear) (～I'm a Super hero～)

Sure.

• Hacking - Has a floppy disk capable of hacking into security systems, proceeds to dodge lasers after triggering backup security. (Go for the diamond in the Lupin Tower)

Sure.

• Optional Immortality (Type 1), Passive Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation, Resistance to Age Manipulation - Fujiko owns the Eternal Diamond, a gem capable of granting eternal/ultimate beauty. Those who wield it are returned to their prime, having it removed however reverts you back to your natural age. This gem however is also known as the Bloody Diamond, as it's dazzling charm causes women who see it to turn on one another, killing for their prize. Fujiko is the one who originally wanted the diamond, Lupin said it was meant for her (to share), and while it looked like he tossed it away he simply kept it in his bathroom as he was likely just teaching Fujiko a lesson about trying to trick him. (2000 Carat Tears)
• Resistance to Madness (Type 3) and Morality Manipulation - Fujiko wasn't effected by any of those negative effects (2000 Carat Tears)

Not sure about Madness Manipulation. Why is the immortality optional?

• Unconventional Shapeshifting - Fujiko was able to fake rapidly aging and de-aging with disguises. (2000 Carat Tears)

Sure.

• Acrobatics - She do be moving tho (ONE COLLECTION)

She do.

General

This is just something for all the cast to have as they all utilize disguises.

• Limited Damage Reduction - Disguises are capable of tanking hits for the user, preventing some types of elemental damage from effecting them as they are torn off. This is only really effective on types of attacks which take some time to effect/wouldn't harm them due to wearing the suit like slow acid or contact based poisons. (Chasing the Hidden Treasures of Tokugawa)

Sure.

• Unconventional Shapeshifting - Not really a new ability or anything, just changes everyone's Shapeshifting to Unconventional since it's been drawn to my attention that you need to be able to change yourself genetically which the cast don't. They however still have this ability due to disguises basically covering all the conventional uses for Shapeshifting such as replicating someone else's body and voice, changing your own age and looks, replicating certain genetic aspects like retinal scans and fingerprints, ect with this being a power that can be used on demand without prep.

Sure.

And with that, I am finally done with Slot Machines and have fully recovered from my gambling addictions. Now I only have one final issue to address.....

What a doozy.

 

[FinePoint]

I do understand these points about lightning, however profiles to my knowledge do typically allow this level of heat when dealing with Mid-Air lightning (as many of the properties related to lightning weakening is a product of being grounded). The Zantetsuken has been shown to directly clash and overcome lightning from a very high spot mid-air so I believe it should be applicable. This method is notable different than his NPI where I would agree no heat should be really affecting it.

If you still feel that it's not enough, then fair, but steel being the baseline seems very low given it's casual examples. There also also examples with lasers that heat/melt metal casually, with the Zantetsuken being able to tank dozens of them at once, though I can't grab the examples rn.

Well, I can't control what profiles "typically allow", but I don't really think it makes sense.

Even mid-air, you'd be touching it for very little time, and realistically heat should have no bearing on whether or not you can cut a lightning bolt in half.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Scans?

These are all already on the profile, some of them don't have scans by default since someone made em before me. (I will be fixing that)

Doesn't really seem like Toon Force, rest is fine.

Reasoning for Toon Force is because of how simplistic they can be despite their ability to function as an exact copy. These are basically balloons/actual stawmen acting like the original copy before being revealed to just be a dummy.

Wealth isn't a listed use. This would probably fall under Social Position.

Social Influence isn't restricted to the listed examples and can have any other type of category. Someone's wealth can be used to influence others with Lupin having very deep pockets to use for such means.

First case doesn't really seem like an ability, so much as something anyone could (theoretically) do with those rockets.

Same could be said for deflecting bullets or the like back at an attacker, but they are still listed at attack reflection. Its a skill based example but it still qualifies.

The second scan has so much epilepsy bait I couldn't tell what was even happening, could you maybe summarize it for me?

Yeah, I hate those too (unironically in some cases I just cut the winning flashes because it can take like 30 seconds of out of universe time).

Basically the crazy guy fires an energy projectile at Lupin and Jigen who then fire it back towards him, causing him to be hit by his own attack.

Sure, though not sure optional is right word here.

Its optional because he doesn't get boats by default. Unless specified the only vehicle he gets by default is his iconic car.

Range isn't an ability...

No, but it's a good scan for his range section. Which I can't add without a CRT.

Could I get just a crumb of context, please?

Fujiko section

Not sure if this is enough for Toon Force, rest seems fine.

Listed it as such because biking underwater just.... incredibly goofy, especially when you are using a snorkel to breathe. Im not sure of the physics of biking underwater but I know using a snorkel shouldn't allow underwater breathing, hence why I treated it as more of a comedy ability.

Not really a homing attack since he was controlling it the whole time. Not really seeing the flashbang thing.

Control over an attack doesnt disqualify it from being an ability, the only real requirements are "reduce the chance of missing even if the user or the opponent makes sharp turns, is in the air or suspended in space, and have a long distance between each opponent." The example fits the bill.

As for the flashbang........ it would appear I used the wrong clip for that example! Yeah, I need a break from these machines. Here's the real example of handcuffs being used as flashbangs, apologies for the mistake.

Just 4th Wall Breaking is probably more appropriate, maybe Limited Toon Force since it actually moved him.

Fair, will do

Scan?

For the size thing it's from pixel scaling from the previous mention of Large Size. Robot has far bigger examples but this is consistent with the average showings of it. If you want the specific math then it's

Robot height = 409pixels*4.2672m / 85pixels = 20.5327623529411765m

Hammerspace is fine, not sure about Organic Manipulation.

Organic Manipulation is basically the go to ability for food based abilities like this. Zeni-Gatcha generates them (there are other versions of the food it dispenses) hence why it's considered creating the food rather than it just having a nigh-endless supply of ramen (even then that could be considered valid to some)

Should probably be Limited since it relies on its durability.

Was debating on Unconventional or Limited given the nature, thank you for the input.

The bladed weapons thing should just be listed in the durability section.

Other profile examples specify this trait if it's specific enough, hence why I added it. If you disagree then it doesn't need to be added but it's a nice indicator for anyone looking at the profiles to check the durability rating since the sheer gap between the two.

Could you elaborate on why you think this is Probablity Manipulation, Space Manipulation, Physics Manipulation, and Matter Manipulation? I don't really see any of that from the scans.

Probability is partly because it's unaffected by Lupin's Super Arrest Rush, meanwhile the other half of Probability reasoning and the other traits are from Goemon being completely unable to effect it with his blade as those are accepted properties of his cutting. That's why his skillset was chosen first as those are pretty big factors for these. (since space manipulation was denied that's removed)

Sure, though not sure if Instinctive Action is appropriate since an AI is still consciously making decisions.

It was accepted originally, though I believe that was before finding out it had an actual AI (though I'm pretty sure that was assumed anyway). The robot is meant to be piloted with the AI as a backup in case of nobody commanding it, if you disagree with the ability it can be removed.

What skill, and what range specifically?

Marksmanship, and vague as hell because these things help me so much (not intended to buff his range at all, this is just an example of a growing list)

I once again have no idea what's even happening, why do they bother animating this stuff if they're going to just cover it with six hundred particle effects?

That is an excellent question that I ask myself every single time I look at one of these things. (It can get worse, there are random variables that can just add more shit to the screens)

Basically, once Jigen locks in he starts trajectory dodging their attacks due to his knowledge of guns (this is a consistent trait of his) which then leads to him shooting one of their bullets in mid-air resulting in his shot hitting one and the one aimed at him hitting the other twin.

Not sure about Madness Manipulation. Why is the immortality optional?

The immortality isn't optional, the entire list of traits is because Fujiko isn't carrying this diamond around 24/7. It can be given to her however she doesn't get it by default. Madness Manip seemed to be the closest example as it causes the girls, who are all part of the same team, to immediately go crazy and want to kill for the gem with type 3 being chosen as it's a naturally byproduct of the gem's beauty instead of any supernatural mind manipulation.

What a doozy.

Yup and I can't wait for the day I am finally done.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Well, I can't control what profiles "typically allow", but I don't really think it makes sense.

Even mid-air, you'd be touching it for very little time, and realistically heat should have no bearing on whether or not you can cut a lightning bolt in half.

I can see that I suppose, though now that I'm capable of doing so I'll showcase the lasers argument.

Mamo has a lot of lasers, these lasers are capable of causing sever heat damage to steel just by being near it however just a fraction of the blade is capable of (seizure warning, yeah it ain't just the slots) repelling them like it's nothing for an extended period of time.

With that out of the way, the first example of Goemon and lightning is less so cutting and more so him literally clashing against it and winning. Though looking into the logic of it a better counterargument is the fact that apparently good conductors of electricity just don't heat up as much as poor conductors, which means that could be logical reasoning for why it can't be scaled.

Still, with the lasers example the heat of the thing should be about 18x superior to the current which unironically goes into similar levels anyway.

 

[FinePoint]

These are all already on the profile, some of them don't have scans by default since someone made em before me. (I will be fixing that)

Alright.

Reasoning for Toon Force is because of how simplistic they can be despite their ability to function as an exact copy. These are basically balloons/actual stawmen acting like the original copy before being revealed to just be a dummy.

I'd prefer for Toon Force to have an application not covered by another ability. That is to say, this feels like the method of cloning just being wacky, which is fine.

Social Influence isn't restricted to the listed examples and can have any other type of category. Someone's wealth can be used to influence others with Lupin having very deep pockets to use for such means.

I know, but I like the consistency.

Same could be said for deflecting bullets or the like back at an attacker, but they are still listed at attack reflection. Its a skill based example but it still qualifies.

If it's listed as Limited I suppose I'll be okay with.

Yeah, I hate those too (unironically in some cases I just cut the winning flashes because it can take like 30 seconds of out of universe time).

Basically the crazy guy fires an energy projectile at Lupin and Jigen who then fire it back towards him, causing him to be hit by his own attack.

That's what I thought I saw, but again, crazy. Yeah, that's probably fine.

Its optional because he doesn't get boats by default. Unless specified the only vehicle he gets by default is his iconic car.

I don't think the ability itself needs to be optional if it's tied to optional equipment.

No, but it's a good scan for his range section. Which I can't add without a CRT.

Well it seems fine, it was just weird how it was listed along with and in the same way as a bunch of abilities.

Listed it as such because biking underwater just.... incredibly goofy, especially when you are using a snorkel to breathe. Im not sure of the physics of biking underwater but I know using a snorkel shouldn't allow underwater breathing, hence why I treated it as more of a comedy ability.

Again, maybe Limited Toon Force for this. Full-on Toon Force I'd picture as having wide, general applications, rather just a couple fringe examples.
Like Pinkie Pie does cartoony stuff all the time, and even consistently throughout combat, for example.

Control over an attack doesnt disqualify it from being an ability, the only real requirements are "reduce the chance of missing even if the user or the opponent makes sharp turns, is in the air or suspended in space, and have a long distance between each opponent." The example fits the bill.

Yeah, but nothing about the attack itself is homing on its own, and it's connected to him still. I'd rather it as a skill feat.
It's ultimately kind of subjective, I just don't feel like it fits the vibe of a homing attack as we typically imagine it.

As for the flashbang........ it would appear I used the wrong clip for that example! Yeah, I need a break from these machines. Here's the real example of handcuffs being used as flashbangs, apologies for the mistake.

Seems fine then.

For the size thing it's from pixel scaling from the previous mention of Large Size. Robot has far bigger examples but this is consistent with the average showings of it. If you want the specific math then it's

Robot height = 409pixels*4.2672m / 85pixels = 20.5327623529411765m

Alright, it's probably fine then.

Organic Manipulation is basically the go to ability for food based abilities like this. Zeni-Gatcha generates them (there are other versions of the food it dispenses) hence why it's considered creating the food rather than it just having a nigh-endless supply of ramen (even then that could be considered valid to some)

I guess. It would just feel weird to give an oven "Organic Manipulation" because it literally shapes and manipulates organic material but if that's the precedent we've set I suppose I'm okay with it.

Was debating on Unconventional or Limited given the nature, thank you for the input.

Well trapping something inside of another thing is conventional sealing by the very definition of it. However, it's almost always considered harder to break out of the sealing than to just punch the person doing it, for example, and in many cases it's even physically impossible without hax. So I think limited fits.

Other profile examples specify this trait if it's specific enough, hence why I added it. If you disagree then it doesn't need to be added but it's a nice indicator for anyone looking at the profiles to check the durability rating since the sheer gap between the two.

I would prefer something like [X] Normally, [Y] Against Bladed Weapons. Or the reverse since the second is actually lower, apparently.
Or, you could include it in the weakness section too, and maybe should anyway as well.

Probability is partly because it's unaffected by Lupin's Super Arrest Rush, meanwhile the other half of Probability reasoning and the other traits are from Goemon being completely unable to effect it with his blade as those are accepted properties of his cutting. That's why his skillset was chosen first as those are pretty big factors for these. (since space manipulation was denied that's removed)

Alright, it's probably fine then.

It was accepted originally, though I believe that was before finding out it had an actual AI (though I'm pretty sure that was assumed anyway). The robot is meant to be piloted with the AI as a backup in case of nobody commanding it, if you disagree with the ability it can be removed.

Yeah, I think it should be removed on a technicality.

Marksmanship, and vague as hell because these things help me so much (not intended to buff his range at all, this is just an example of a growing list)

Alright. I suppose it's fine then.

That is an excellent question that I ask myself every single time I look at one of these things. (It can get worse, there are random variables that can just add more shit to the screens)

Basically, once Jigen locks in he starts trajectory dodging their attacks due to his knowledge of guns (this is a consistent trait of his) which then leads to him shooting one of their bullets in mid-air resulting in his shot hitting one and the one aimed at him hitting the other twin.

Alright. Since you've been honest and reasonable otherwise, I'll just take your word for it that that's what's happening, since I genuinely can't tell otherwise with all the shit on the screen.

The immortality isn't optional, the entire list of traits is because Fujiko isn't carrying this diamond around 24/7. It can be given to her however she doesn't get it by default. Madness Manip seemed to be the closest example as it causes the girls, who are all part of the same team, to immediately go crazy and want to kill for the gem with type 3 being chosen as it's a naturally byproduct of the gem's beauty instead of any supernatural mind manipulation.

Idk, I think Madness Manipulation refers to something more general. Whether canonically 'natural' or not I think bending someone's will to a specific purpose via clearly supernatural (by reasoning of nothing like that existing in real life) means is a valid example of Mind Manipulation for our purposes.

 

[FinePoint]

I can see that I suppose, though now that I'm capable of doing so I'll showcase the lasers argument.

Mamo has a lot of lasers, these lasers are capable of causing sever heat damage to steel just by being near it however just a fraction of the blade is capable of (seizure warning, yeah it ain't just the slots) repelling them like it's nothing for an extended period of time.

With that out of the way, the first example of Goemon and lightning is less so cutting and more so him literally clashing against it and winning. Though looking into the logic of it a better counterargument is the fact that apparently good conductors of electricity just don't heat up as much as poor conductors, which means that could be logical reasoning for why it can't be scaled.

Still, with the lasers example the heat of the thing should be about 18x superior to the current which unironically goes into similar levels anyway.

Technically, reflecting a laser explicitly means you're NOT absorbing all of its heat.

Still, since that marks a second example consistency wise, I'd be fine with it as a Likely instead of a Possibly, but I still don't feel comfortable giving it straight up.

 

[Gonzalo]

The thing about the Quantum Supercomputer not being able to understand how Goemon was able to cut the door, despite it being impossible, could be considered a feat of intelligence?

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

The thing about the Quantum Supercomputer not being able to understand how Goemon was able to cut the door, despite it being impossible, could be considered a feat of intelligence?

Care to elaborate what you mean? (I'll get to FinePoint's points later, I'm not in a position rn to properly respond to large form prompts)

 

[Gonzalo]

Care to elaborate what you mean? (I'll get to FinePoint's points later, I'm not in a position rn to properly respond to large form prompts)

I was thinking about it, because Emilka (the AI) states that the door is theoretically impossible to get through. But she says that because Goemon cut it, and that's what's so impressive. It goes completely against what a superintelligent quantum computer would expect. Emilka, after all, is a quantum AI that took over the world in an unbelievably short amount of time. That’s why I thought this could be useful for evaluating combat intelligence. (I think it would be great to create a section for the characters of Lupin III, focusing specifically on their general abilities and combat skills.)

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I was thinking about it, because Emilka (the AI) states that the door is theoretically impossible to get through. But she says that because Goemon cut it, and that's what's so impressive. It goes completely against what a superintelligent quantum computer would expect. Emilka, after all, is a quantum AI that took over the world in an unbelievably short amount of time. That’s why I thought this could be useful for evaluating combat intelligence. (I think it would be great to create a section for the characters of Lupin III, focusing specifically on their general abilities and combat skills.)

While it does speak greatly for Goemon's skills, it should be noted that Emilka never analyzed Goemon and his skills and only the blade. Since she didnt factor the fact that Goemon is BS levels of precise with his blade, it shouldn't be taken to THAT high of an extreme. Though him cutting quantum objects inside of crystals considered scientifically impossible to cut is the bigger take away from the film.

As for giving the profiles sections for general abilities and combat skills, I have held back on doing so given the recent discourse of Combat IQ on profiles. No point of making a whole section if it might be liable of being removed. Instead I've just been increasing the number of skill feats in the abilities sections + researching more and more for when/if the combat IQ can be added.

Rn the verse is OK enough for the Intelligence ratings. Only ones I currently have reason to change are Lupin and Zenigata because of some findings of Supergenius from Mamo, but unless the new movie points to anything that helps them in this regard I don't plan to include it yet.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

I'd prefer for Toon Force to have an application not covered by another ability. That is to say, this feels like the method of cloning just being wacky, which is fine.

Ight, fair enough, though you might change your opinion on that when you read the later section on Toon Force

I know, but I like the consistency.

Ight, fair enough

If it's listed as Limited I suppose I'll be okay with.

Wait, do you want me to list it seperate from the other examples for a Limited rating? Feel like that'd clutter stuff up with this series especially with how much more content there is for em. Figured it's better long-term to have the lesser versions of the same trait under the same banner, since while it's not to a same extent it's still the same application and avoids repetition for power listing.

I don't think the ability itself needs to be optional if it's tied to optional equipment.

I just list it as such to keep CRTs simple, end results are the same since the only forms of optional abilities in the verse are equipment/preparation based

Well it seems fine, it was just weird how it was listed along with and in the same way as a bunch of abilities.

Hard to do many things in a conventional way for this verse, the revisions focus more-so on covering one area of the franchise rather than a theme so sometimes more minor or less relevant parts show up for it. Still needs to be done but it'd be kinda pointless to make a separate CRT when it can just be dumped here alongside other things from the same media.

Again, maybe Limited Toon Force for this. Full-on Toon Force I'd picture as having wide, general applications, rather just a couple fringe examples.
Like Pinkie Pie does cartoony stuff all the time, and even consistently throughout combat, for example.

So do characters of this verse, characters for example have ran/swam through the air various times, caused tnt to go backwards by pulling out a sign, survive and swim in space with nothing but a bowl, re-entered a fight by literally jumping back into frame and can sometimes just go full Scooby Doo at times. Many examples of Toon Force for the verse is currently undocumented (Most appear in the 3rd part, which I have yet to cover) but it is very much a real thing that pops up often.

Yeah, but nothing about the attack itself is homing on its own, and it's connected to him still. I'd rather it as a skill feat.
It's ultimately kind of subjective, I just don't feel like it fits the vibe of a homing attack as we typically imagine it.

Could we agree on a Limited then, as it's a more grounded and skill based move? Need to put it somewhere on the profile and this is the most true to form category for a trait like this.

I guess. It would just feel weird to give an oven "Organic Manipulation" because it literally shapes and manipulates organic material but if that's the precedent we've set I suppose I'm okay with it.

I do agree it is kinda weird but unless we make a "Glorified Microwave" ability this is the category to use.

Well trapping something inside of another thing is conventional sealing by the very definition of it. However, it's almost always considered harder to break out of the sealing than to just punch the person doing it, for example, and in many cases it's even physically impossible without hax. So I think limited fits.

Yeah, fair

I would prefer something like [X] Normally, [Y] Against Bladed Weapons. Or the reverse since the second is actually lower, apparently.
Or, you could include it in the weakness section too, and maybe should anyway as well.

Honestly my plan was to do both of those and the specified resistance to bladed weapons. Given the sheer gap between the two (town vs planet) it just seem best to push this fact since I know some people don't look at the durability sections and just assume the AP = DP.

Yeah, I think it should be removed on a technicality.

Will do

Idk, I think Madness Manipulation refers to something more general. Whether canonically 'natural' or not I think bending someone's will to a specific purpose via clearly supernatural (by reasoning of nothing like that existing in real life) means is a valid example of Mind Manipulation for our purposes.

You have it the other way around, Mind Manipulation is the more general example whereas Madness Manip is a specific branch of Mind Manipulation. Specifically in cases where the mind manip causes insanity, with Type 1 referring to biological means (Ex: Literal brain damage) Type 2 referring to more mainline control (Ex: Sending a mental blast to turn people insane) and Type 3 referring to a more natural state of being (Ex: Seeing something and going insane).

In order for it to classify for a valid example of general mind control, it'd need more applicable purposes since the diamond is incapable of doing any other form of mental damage other than the insanity effect. The only other classification that would fit for it is Morality Manipulation but that's dealing with details, with the focus on women going insane being the reason why I consider Madness to be the better ability of the two.

 

[Detective_Blizzard]

Still, since that marks a second example consistency wise, I'd be fine with it as a Likely instead of a Possibly, but I still don't feel comfortable giving it straight up.

I'll take it, knowing this series and it's almost 60 years of history there's bound to be better examples somewhere.

 

[FinePoint]

Wait, do you want me to list it seperate from the other examples for a Limited rating?

No.

I just list it as such to keep CRTs simple, end results are the same since the only forms of optional abilities in the verse are equipment/preparation based

Alright.

So do characters of this verse, characters for example have ran/swam through the air various times, caused tnt to go backwards by pulling out a sign, survive and swim in space with nothing but a bowl, re-entered a fight by literally jumping back into frame and can sometimes just go full Scooby Doo at times. Many examples of Toon Force for the verse is currently undocumented (Most appear in the 3rd part, which I have yet to cover) but it is very much a real thing that pops up often.

In that case it's probably fine.

Could we agree on a Limited then, as it's a more grounded and skill based move? Need to put it somewhere on the profile and this is the most true to form category for a trait like this.

Yes.

I do agree it is kinda weird but unless we make a "Glorified Microwave" ability this is the category to use.

I'll make the staff thread for the Glorified Microwave ability to be introduced.

Honestly my plan was to do both of those and the specified resistance to bladed weapons. Given the sheer gap between the two (town vs planet) it just seem best to push this fact since I know some people don't look at the durability sections and just assume the AP = DP.

It just feels weird in the ability section. Having it in both the durability and weakness section is probably sufficient. If people still don't see it then it's their fault for not looking at every section of the profile.

You have it the other way around, Mind Manipulation is the more general example whereas Madness Manip is a specific branch of Mind Manipulation. Specifically in cases where the mind manip causes insanity, with Type 1 referring to biological means (Ex: Literal brain damage) Type 2 referring to more mainline control (Ex: Sending a mental blast to turn people insane) and Type 3 referring to a more natural state of being (Ex: Seeing something and going insane).

In order for it to classify for a valid example of general mind control, it'd need more applicable purposes since the diamond is incapable of doing any other form of mental damage other than the insanity effect. The only other classification that would fit for it is Morality Manipulation but that's dealing with details, with the focus on women going insane being the reason why I consider Madness to be the better ability of the two.

Well, I think ultimately we're just disagreeing over what classifies as "insane".
To me, clinically, really wanting something even to the point of killing someone isn't really "insanity".

That said, the term isn't really fully defined on the page, so it's a bit subjective. From that perspective, I suppose I'm fine with it, though maybe I'll add Madness Manipulation to the list of abilities that I need to try and revise later.

 

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I'll make the staff thread for the Glorified Microwave ability to be introduced.

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It just feels weird in the ability section. Having it in both the durability and weakness section is probably sufficient. If people still don't see it then it's their fault for not looking at every section of the profile.

Fair enough

Well, I think ultimately we're just disagreeing over what classifies as "insane".
To me, clinically, really wanting something even to the point of killing someone isn't really "insanity".

That said, the term isn't really fully defined on the page, so it's a bit subjective. From that perspective, I suppose I'm fine with it, though maybe I'll add Madness Manipulation to the list of abilities that I need to try and revise later.

I'd say it does when your first instinct is to start killing everyone around you indiscriminately (in the example they shot their own leader) but I do agree the whole thing is subjective. If changes to the revisions remove this from it's examples, I'll be sure to correct it.

I have now updated the post to represent the new ratings, thank you very much for your time and effort.