Spongebob Striking Strength and Durability Downgrade

[Rogue_Forge]

To put it simply, He literally just doesn't scale to his galaxy level feats with his physical attacks

There is nothing that says he didn't create galaxies thru his Toon force, Reality warping, Creation or his Perception Manipulation, and if it was that last one than he wouldn't scale to it at all, it was never implied once that he physically created those galaxies or even that they were real galaxies in the first place, or even if they were, why would that scale to his Attacking power, its hax

And he doesn't have a Universal Energy System that would allow him to scale his physical attacks to his Hax

Here's his profile for reference

Edit:

Adding on to this there's no grounds for 4-A either, there isn't any feats of them destroying a dream with a starry sky just that "They can destroy dreams" and "Some dreams have starry skies in them" without giving a feat of them destroying a dream with a starry sky

even if they did, the dreams being physical via subjective reality isn't always true as a lot of dream sequences are just normal intangible dreams and a lot of times when SpongeBob creates something through his imagination it is nowhere near as durable as the real thing as characters just blow them away like they aren't even there, therefor even if he could create and interact with a starry sky in his dreams/imagination it wouldn't have the same durability as a real starry sky.

Agree: Maverick_Zero_X, YmTheSuper, Bimbitesthedust, Anonymous_Learner, Armorchompy

Disagree:

Neutral: KingTempest

 

[Rogue_Forge]

The Multi-Solar stays tho

for now...

 

[Rogue_Forge]

How soon does something need to be made before you can bump, either 24 hours or 48 hours

 

[SweetDao]

How soon does something need to be made before you can bump, either 24 hours or 48 hours

Each 24H.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Each 24H.

Thanks

 

[Rogue_Forge]

bump

 

[GoCommitDi]

you good bro????????? You sure you didn't have a red face with steam coming out of your ears when you made this thread???

This seems to be a reoccurring thing with people who try to downgrade SpongeBob, as if SpongeBob killed their grandma. I can name other names but lol

 

[Rogue_Forge]

you good bro????????? You sure you didn't have a red face with steam coming out of your ears when you made this thread???

Just seemed kinda funny

 

[YmTheSuper]

Yeah this makes sense considering creation feats don't scale to physicals or other attacks without a UES. (Also why is the second feat used to justify his 3-C rating even considered a feat)

Also this would also affect his tier and AP since it would become 3-C via creation and every other character would lose it's 3-C rating since it wouldn't scale to attacks or physicals.

And btw you should link to Spongebob's profile and mention the justifications currently used in your OP.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

And btw you should link to Spongebob's profile and mention the justifications currently used in your OP.

Alright

 

[KingTempest]

Good.

 

[Kaydee1648]

coincidentally, i’m watching spongebob rn and wondering how this mf strikes at 3-C

 

[OrangeFR]

4-A looks good.

 

[GoCommitDi]

coincidentally, i’m watching spongebob rn and wondering how this mf strikes at 3-C

me currently working on a CRT that will get them higher than 3-C:

 

[KingTempest]

coincidentally, i’m watching spongebob rn and wondering how this mf strikes at 3-C

Fool was scared of a falling piano

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

OP makes sense.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Trying to count votes rn, let me know if you didn't actually vote tho cause I cant really tell on some of these

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Good.

Is this a vote? I cant tell

 

[KingTempest]

Is this a vote? I cant tell

It's a vote

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Alright

 

[Rogue_Forge]

bwah

 

[GoCommitDi]

Fool was scared of a falling piano

You mean like how Beerus has been slapped by Bulma, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were trying to avoid getting shot during hunting season, Bowser gets one-shot by lava in almost every game like it's his day job, and Dante can die to normal slashes during gameplay?

Seriously, if a character like SpongeBob is portrayed as a wimp in their verse, it's all relative. That's just how cartoons, and VS as a whole, operate. If characters have consistently proven to be capable of higher-end feats, then who cares whether they get hurt by a piano or struggle to lift a mundane object in one episode? Relying on anti-feats in order to push characters down goes against the entire sentiment of VS.

 

[KingTempest]

You mean like how Beerus has been slapped by Bulma, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were trying to avoid getting shot during hunting season, Bowser gets one-shot by lava like it's his day job, and Dante can die to normal slashes during gameplay?

Beerus's entire lore is to nuke his universe
Spongebob whenever he encounters a human being is quite literally a kitchen sponge

 

[IDK3465]

Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were trying to avoid getting shot during hunting season

Isn’t it kinda cemented in Looney Tunes lore that whatever the toons can do at a given time is dependent on what’s funniest? Like, Bugs has a varies tier for a reason.

Bowser gets one-shot by lava in almost every game like it's his day job

Mario as a whole got downvoted from 3-C explicitly because of anti-feats like this, so I wouldn’t call it the best example necessarily

 

[Huesito88]

You mean like how Beerus has been slapped by Bulma, Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck were trying to avoid getting shot during hunting season, Bowser gets one-shot by lava in almost every game like it's his day job, and Dante can die to normal slashes during gameplay?

Comedic anime gag female scene, guns aren't some limiter in speed and strength unless a stated speed/ap is said (most of the time), bowser legit got that DC and Marvel treatment with it being considered as a anti feat for higher end feats even though we aren't downgrading him to that level (In order to tank lava is wall level), Dante's is just gameplay.

 

[IDK3465]

I agree with the thread btw, but we should probably agree on what tier we should scale everyone to now that the 4-A to 3-C stuff isn’t usable.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I agree with the thread btw, but we should probably agree on what tier we should scale everyone to now that the 4-A to 3-C stuff isn’t usable.

I mean, the current 4-A AP stuff is rooted in some logic due to characters subjective reality of dreams becoming real but there isn't any feats of them destroying a dream with a starry sky just "They can destroy dreams" and "Some dreams have starry skies in them" without giving a feat of them destroying a dream with a starry sky

 

[Rogue_Forge]

The OP was about getting rid of 3-C but looking back at it there isn't very much to support 4-A either

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The OP was about getting rid of 3-C but looking back at it there isn't very much to support 4-A either

Try doing this, then, if you change the op to include this you would have to call the staff back to reconfirm the vote, and that is a pain.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

Try doing this, then, if you change the op to include this you would have to call the staff back to reconfirm the vote, and that is a pain.

aight sure I'll just add it and reset the votes

I'm pretty sure I only needed 2 staff votes right?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

aight sure I'll just add it and reset the votes

I'm pretty sure I only needed 2 staff votes right?

I am not sure.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

OP makes sense.

can you vote again with the new edit in mind (please)

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

can you vote again with the new edit in mind (please)

Updated OP makes sense.

 

[YmTheSuper]

can you vote again with the new edit in mind (please)

To add more to OP's arguments.

The starry sky feats are massive outliers and nothing else that doesn't rely on pocket dimensions or dreams comes even close to these feats. (Pocket Dimension Feats are commonly prone to outliers and inconsistencies). In fact Spongebob is consistently portrayed to be physically weak. (He couldn't move a glass or bend a straw, and the entire plot of the episode is about him pretending to be physically strong while he isn't, Gets injured by slipping on an ice cube, Attacked by seagulls, Scared from a falling ice cream truck, Dennis gets stepped on by a human then that human's footsteps launch spongebob and patrick and when he grabs them they can't escape, also some lifting strength ones like him consistently struggling to lift very light weights. Keep in mind for all of these that Spongebob is a 4 inch tall sponge). So yes Spongebob being weak physically is a plot point and he has no feats that get him anywhere close to 4-A without relying on Pocket reality feats so we can consider them as outliers. (Also the current justification that Spongebob's brain contains a star and a starry sky are very weak. It obviously isn't meant to be an actual sun or starry skies, and even then this obviously isn't a real star)

So Spongebob should probably a varies rating like other toon force characters and the 4-A rating could be listed within the varies ratings or as a separate possibly rating or outright removed.

 

[GoCommitDi]

Ain't no way yall are trying to bring back "SpongeBob is 10-C actually because he killed my grandma" arguments in the big 2025 with a straight face

 

[YmTheSuper]

Ain't no way yall are trying to bring back "SpongeBob is 10-C actually" arguments in the big 2025 with a straight face

l'll give a full-depth response later since I'm at work

No one is saying that he's 10-C (the anti-feats were used as supporting evidence that his showings are inconsistent and not being close to 4-A, with him being physically weak being as common plot point in the show not just nitpicking) just that his 4-A feats are inconsistent and contradict practically all of his other showings and that they either rely on creation feats or pocket dimension feats which tend to be very commonly outliers or outright don't scale to physicals and regular AP output.

Also the 4-A doesn't necessarily need to be removed it can be included as a possibily rating or within a varies rating like with other toonforce characters due to their showings being inconsistent in general, while we currently have only the 4-A and 3-C ratings listed implying that they represent the consistent showings of characters in the show which they don't.

 

[Rogue_Forge]

I would say SpongeBob is most consistently around Large Planet level, there's a few feats around that level, and I cant think of any consistent physical feats higher than that

But we should agree on what tier all the characters would scale too now that this is getting a lot of agreement on the downgrades

 

[YmTheSuper]

I would say SpongeBob is most consistently around Large Planet level, there's a few feats around that level, and I cant think of any consistent physical feats higher than that

But we should agree on what tier all the characters would scale too now that this is getting a lot of agreement on the downgrades

I would say that can be done in a separate thread if this CRT gets accepted, either way we should wait for the counter-arguments.

 

[GoCommitDi]

I would say SpongeBob is most consistently around Large Planet level, there's a few feats around that level, and I cant think of any consistent physical feats higher than that

But we should agree on what tier all the characters would scale too now that this is getting a lot of agreement on the downgrades

I'm ok with Large Planet if anything else, I can give a list of those feats later on

 

[IDK3465]

I generally agree with YmTheSuper here, especially considering that 90% of the 4-A to 3-C stuff is either done via hax that wouldn't scale to physicals (Clairinetland, imagination, etc.) or straight up false (just because you destroyed the entrance to a pocket reality, in this case, Spongebob's brain, doesn't mean you destroyed the pocket reality itself). The only exception to this I can think of is him unraveling and carrying the universe, but there, the string is clearly treated to be relatively light and is likely more so intended to just be done via hax anyway.

Another thing to note is that even with a "Varies" rating, the cast would still not scale to the 4-A stuff, because (or at least I assume) the inconsistencies in power would be explained via imagination, but there still wouldn't be a good reason for the creation feats to scale to physicals without some kind of UES.