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Hazbin Hotel: Top-Tiers downgrade

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Alright, so to get straight to the point, the calc we use right now is bad. Really bad. Mostly due to this section:

Angular size of the theoretical bottom = 2 × atg(tg(70 / 2) × (35 / 1 080)) = 2.5998552739 degrees.

Distance to the bottom = 995.3 meters.

Charlie in this scene is at an altitude of 63,555 meters.

995.3 − 63.555 = 931.745 cut depth (Holy shit).

There is quite literally zero possible way for the depth here to be anywhere near this deep, whatsoever. This is quite obvious when looking at literally any point in the episode after this where the ground level beneath which the Hotel previously stood upon is still there, and the characters are all standing on it next to the visible ruins of the base level of the hotel, rebuilding it upon which it once stood. Lo and behold, zero visible hole anywhere in the ground to be seen. The hotel itself stands at 160.945 meters according to this same calc, so if the depth of the cut was truly this deep, then Charlie and pals would be literally visibly underground by a very noticeable agree. Obviously not the case. They are all standing on the ruins of the hotel on the ground at it which it always stood.

There is also proof in the geography of where the Hotel is located which makes it borderline physically impossible for the cut to have been that deep. The cliff the hotel stands on is supported by pillars at the left and right-most edges of both sides of the cliff. This causes the cliff to form a hill which visibly hovers above the ground, with the cliff being very thin at where the Hotel stands. According to the calc, the volume vaporized by Adam is completely rectangular and is completely solid throughout. It isn't. This very visible emptiness between the ground the Hotel stands on and the ground below means that, if we were to assume that the depth of the blast Adam made was nearly a kilometer deep, Adam blasted through literal air, I.E not solid volume, let alone anything with vaporization value equivalent to rock. The calc is inflating the volume.

You also can't really argue that only this part underneath the hotel was ignored and Adam continued to blast through to underground, as, again, there is no visible hole anywhere to be seen, which you'd think would be visible had this hole been well over 500 meters deep from an individual standing beneath the hotel's hill, like the characters were during the finale song. There is zero hole anywhere, the blast did not expand beyond at most the bottom of the cliff and there was no solid volume in-between the bottom of the ground the Hotel was standing on and the surface of the ground beneath the Hotel's hill. This leads me into the next and even more obviously false section.

Section length (minimum) = 45.1704580934 / 35 × 1,125.8 = 1452.94004919 meters.
This is trivially disprovable. The hill from the entrance gate to the Hotel to the tip of the hotel does not even cover half this distance, the blast would have easily expanded into Pentagram City and not only have cut other buildings in half near the edge of the City, but also, according to this calc, have left a 515.585 meter deep hole expanding over 1.452 kilometers (the gap between the base of the hotel and the base of the ground is around 416.16 meters. 515.585 additional meters underground would need to be accounted for for the calc's value to be true). None of these things or any destruction even remotely on this scale is ever shown to have happened. Adam's blast only destroyed the hotel and the hillside, the characters were not left over 500 meters underground and the blast did not expand beyond the hillside. There is no conceivable way to justify values these high making sense from a visual standpoint.

On top of the values being highly wanked in the calc, it also assumes that the shape of the volume Adam destroyed was a perfect rectangular prism, when in reality only the portion of the blast's volume which split the Hotel was, whereas the rest of the blast was in a more triangular prism shape. This image displays what I mean by this, as well as what should actually be measured rather than angsizing, which as I've displayed above, gives inflated results. The gash that is measured in the calc to be 1.452 km wide cannot be any longer than the distance between the top of the hotel and the entrance gate. This scan itself does not imply that that gash covers anything more than the Hotel's hillside.

So yeah, the 7-A calc we use is highly inflated and should be replaced with one which accurately scales the volume covered by Adam which was destroyed, accounting for the hollowness between the base of the Hotel's ground level and the ground beneath the hill, and the fact that the non-Hotel volume was triangular.

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:
 
let's see how this goes.
Man, This was the only relavant feat and is getting talked of getting downgraded. This verse can't have nothing
(No, no, no. I don't wanna hear about Stolas' space shenanigans, that stuff has been talked to death as outliers)
 
Still, I'd have Luci and Adam at High 7-A cuz of Vox's power outage
Fair enough. Gosh, I wish that was usable on here...
Stolas twisting the sky idk if that should scale to them maybe or maybe not I'm quite conflicted on that
quoting reaper here, Stolas currently doesn't just send out H7A beams so it likely doesn't. My personal feelings on the matter is that I feel like it wouldn't establishing a consistent UES
 
(No, no, no. I don't wanna hear about Stolas' space shenanigans, that stuff has been talked to death as outliers)
Pretty sure this already is argued, no character in Hellaverse has actually been shown going all out except Adam who was fighting someone levels beyond him, so I still don't see why it being an outlier is still an argument.

Anyways you can put me as agree for this thread.
 
Pings don't go through for blue names.

Anyways, yeah this is fine. Only reason I didn't contest this to begin with is because I don't have a singular clue how to calc. Literally all I have in my calc record is stealing standard feats and applying basic multiplication... and I still ****** that up.

HOWEVER, I'd like a recalc here, a proper one.
Pretty sure this already is argued, no character in Hellaverse has actually been shown going all out except Adam who was fighting someone levels beyond him, so I still don't see why it being an outlier is still an argument.

Anyways you can put me as agree for this thread.
Remind me Mythic, who is above Stolas in scaling, and performed the feat under contention in the OP?
 
Pretty sure this already is argued, no character in Hellaverse has actually been shown going all out except Adam who was fighting someone levels beyond him, so I still don't see why it being an outlier is still an argument.
Adam (trying harder) one-shots Alastor, who's comparable or slightly inferior to Stolas, and, since people bring it up a lot, stated to have magic that surpasses any demon
The same character gets angry and shoots a 7-A laser (though it's now getting argued drastically lower).
Even if i'm of the small crowd who thinks alastor is somewhat comparable to Adam in terms of AP due to him arguably harming him with his shadow, the fact of the matter is that Adam's a high high tier and his most impressive feat WHILE RAGE AMPED is lower than 7-A. Even Stolas (who you argue is much higher) has a H7A feat with a magical item and it's environmental damage and not combat applicable.
 
if this goes through before a recalc is accepted, I think that the Adam Pentious ship calc would be a suitable replacement
(Sad that my match with Adam and the Aging Devil from chainsaw man will be gone but it is what it is)
 
Adam (trying harder) one-shots Alastor
Okay? He wasn't essentially going "all out" all he did was blind him with his light, which was powerful enough to break his cane and caused him to get depowered, so he one-shotted a depowered Alastor. So again, this isn't enough to say it's where he caps.
The same character gets angry and shoots a 7-A laser
Same guy who had already been beaten up by Lucifer, stabbed by Charlie and hurt (even a little) by Alastor.
This is only 1 feat which you can barely say he was at full power at the time to say it's where he caps.
Even if i'm of the small crowd who thinks alastor is somewhat comparable to Adam in terms of AP due to him arguably harming him with his shadow
Sure, he did hurt him, the gap is still insanely massive between them, when Adam's body basically was in no way shown to be harmed by Alastor.
Adam's a high high tier and his most impressive feat WHILE RAGE AMPED is lower than 7-A
Same guy who had already been beaten up by Lucifer, stabbed by Charlie and hurt (even a little) by Alastor.
 
As the evaluator of this calc. Yeah, it's completely bogus. Just to make my stance clear.

I swear this calculation was already debunked.

Not sure what I was doing there, but I remember realizing I put my foot in my mouth really quickly after it. Although, can't say what really happened as I don't remember much.
 
As the evaluator of this calc. Yeah, it's completely bogus. Just to make my stance clear.

I swear this calculation was already debunked.

Not sure what I was doing there, but I remember realizing I put my foot in my mouth really quickly after it. Although, can't say what really happened as I don't remember much.
hey can u evaluate this calc? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TugiaTheNarrator/Hazbin_Hotel:_Adam's_lasers_recalc
That's the recalc of the og one
 
As the evaluator of this calc. Yeah, it's completely bogus. Just to make my stance clear.

I swear this calculation was already debunked.

Not sure what I was doing there, but I remember realizing I put my foot in my mouth really quickly after it. Although, can't say what really happened as I don't remember much.
I saw, but a thing you didn't point out is how the depth being apparently over 930 meters, much less the distance covered being nearly 1.5 kilometers, despite the actual scene showing these values to be extremely incorrect and inflated. I'm curious to know your thoughts on this part of it
 
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