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If I recall correctly, one of Luthor's goons asks if he can't hold his breath for some time during the whole swallow nanites scene but another shuts her down by saying it doesn't matter since he will suffocate on them
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Superman (2025) Movie Spoiler Discussion Thread
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He said eventually tho
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Still tho holding his breathe from being suffocated ≠ not being able to breathe in space, we're definitely jumping the gun there.
Kara literally flies interstellar distances to party apparently so unless she is MFTL it'd still take more than than an hour to travel that far and I mean she likely is but still I believe he can breathe in space
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Speaking of Kara's speed, she was out partying for around the durartion of the entire movie. Can't we calc her speed via how time has ellasped from the beginning to the end? (which is around a week)
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Well, we do at least know that Kara was apparently able to reach Earth quickly enough that she wasn't sober yet...
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Well we don't know how long she's exactly been gone for or how long it took for her to her back
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So so should've reached Earth in around 1h30
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Just got out of the theater. It was awesome. The music, the camera angles, the acting. I absolutely LOVE this Luthor, Hoult is deliciously despicable and petty. Maybe, and I say maybe a bit too emotional as I envision Luthor would be more calm even in his private moments like in the animated series from the 90s but that's just me. But for the love of Darth Plagueis the Wise, I love hating that guy.
The Justice gang is pretty good, though Terrific gets the best part and is really great, I loved him. Fight scenes are certainly not on the level of Man of Steel (sorry not sorry, MoS is perfect in this regard and I'll die on that hill) but they're still pretty awesome (my favorites are Terrific dispatching Luthor's military camp to get to the portal and the last shots of the final battle against Luthor's Iron Men, most notably the one where Clark spins on himself with his heat vision on). As for the titular character, I liked that he was more emotional and less confident or stoic than other adaptations. Between the actor and the characterization, he's a very sympathetic guy and very easy to like and believe that he would just do what he does out of principles. Ironically (and that's something I really liked to), he's less of a doormat in his Kent self and has more biting than usual cases where he's normally the clumsy guy who gets thrown around by people. I also love the movie focuses more on the saving people part (and animals) part, with him going out of his way to protect them in the middle of a fight.
And weirdly for me, I love the optimism and the message about "silly" kindness having become sort of subversive in this world where everyone and their mother is cynical. That's exactly what Superman should be. To embody the idealistic heroism, no matter how out of touch it seems, against all odds because that's the right thing to do. It's weird for me because I am much more of a fan of anti/nominal heroes, borderline villain protagonists who are cynical, amoral, ruthless, manipulative and at times outright murderous like Batman, John Wick, Constantine, Kratos, Alice Liddell or Jack Sparrow but here, it felt good to go back to a hero who openly admits he's defending old school heroism just because it's good even if it's extremely hard and he makes mistakes (love that speech to Lex).
If I had to point out flaws, Hawkgirl is underused and just there to say "there are other heroes" and to an extent, Guy Gardner to (even if still pretty good, Nathan Fillion absolutely rocks). The movie is sometimes too on the nose with his message, particulary about fake news and so on. Not sure how I feel about Jor-El and his wife being evil in that version, though I find it interesting in regard to the message of the movie and about how Clark decides what he will do for humanity but the harem part felt too over the top for me, like that part was screaming "Look, they're evil, you should not like them! Bad!" in a pretty ridiculous manner. Like, way in your face. The pacing could also have been better and while very funny, the humor is not always that good, especially with Eve (I know this is the idea but she was really just annoying at times).
Overall, an excellent surprise, I spent a pretty awesome moment and I clapped (along with the entire theater) at the end. Bonus point for the end credits song which is amazing. DCU is off to an excellent start and I hope it will continue in this direction.
Solid 8/10
The Justice gang is pretty good, though Terrific gets the best part and is really great, I loved him. Fight scenes are certainly not on the level of Man of Steel (sorry not sorry, MoS is perfect in this regard and I'll die on that hill) but they're still pretty awesome (my favorites are Terrific dispatching Luthor's military camp to get to the portal and the last shots of the final battle against Luthor's Iron Men, most notably the one where Clark spins on himself with his heat vision on). As for the titular character, I liked that he was more emotional and less confident or stoic than other adaptations. Between the actor and the characterization, he's a very sympathetic guy and very easy to like and believe that he would just do what he does out of principles. Ironically (and that's something I really liked to), he's less of a doormat in his Kent self and has more biting than usual cases where he's normally the clumsy guy who gets thrown around by people. I also love the movie focuses more on the saving people part (and animals) part, with him going out of his way to protect them in the middle of a fight.
And weirdly for me, I love the optimism and the message about "silly" kindness having become sort of subversive in this world where everyone and their mother is cynical. That's exactly what Superman should be. To embody the idealistic heroism, no matter how out of touch it seems, against all odds because that's the right thing to do. It's weird for me because I am much more of a fan of anti/nominal heroes, borderline villain protagonists who are cynical, amoral, ruthless, manipulative and at times outright murderous like Batman, John Wick, Constantine, Kratos, Alice Liddell or Jack Sparrow but here, it felt good to go back to a hero who openly admits he's defending old school heroism just because it's good even if it's extremely hard and he makes mistakes (love that speech to Lex).
If I had to point out flaws, Hawkgirl is underused and just there to say "there are other heroes" and to an extent, Guy Gardner to (even if still pretty good, Nathan Fillion absolutely rocks). The movie is sometimes too on the nose with his message, particulary about fake news and so on. Not sure how I feel about Jor-El and his wife being evil in that version, though I find it interesting in regard to the message of the movie and about how Clark decides what he will do for humanity but the harem part felt too over the top for me, like that part was screaming "Look, they're evil, you should not like them! Bad!" in a pretty ridiculous manner. Like, way in your face. The pacing could also have been better and while very funny, the humor is not always that good, especially with Eve (I know this is the idea but she was really just annoying at times).
Overall, an excellent surprise, I spent a pretty awesome moment and I clapped (along with the entire theater) at the end. Bonus point for the end credits song which is amazing. DCU is off to an excellent start and I hope it will continue in this direction.
Solid 8/10
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If the black hole stuff isn't considered reliable for scaling, we'd probably still want to figure out what tier Superman in his weakened state in the pocket universe would be at, as that would help scale the LuthorCorp Raptors (and by extension, Mr. Terrific physically)
Also, I guess the Raptors would get antimatter resistance too. (Nothing to help them against acid though...)
It looked like Terrific's scans of the kaiju brought up stats for it, but I didn't get a good look at the details shown.
Also, I guess the Raptors would get antimatter resistance too. (Nothing to help them against acid though...)
It looked like Terrific's scans of the kaiju brought up stats for it, but I didn't get a good look at the details shown.
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I don't think we need a kryptonite poising key tbh, its not something that really last. The Black hole stuff honestly I feel I'd need to watch again, its definitely a real black hole but its hard to guage how close they actually were to it but regardless yeah it'd be an outlier probably.
Agreed
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I don't necessarily mean that Superman would need a key on his profile for in that state, just that calculations from when he was in that state would be useful for scaling other profiles.
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Oh shit W I can do calcs with thisgood call...
10,397,567 lbs or 4,716,257 kg (Class M) by itself
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"Made for powerscaling calcs" ah scenegood call...
10,397,567 lbs or 4,716,257 kg (Class M) by itself
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He resisted the pull via Super - Breathing himself away
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yeah but beyond a certain point its still not gonna be AS intense as where its like all light and mass can't escape which doesn't happen until you're at its event horizon. The more major effects of a black hole aren't felt from super far away even if you're being pulled, the gravity and shit doesn't become so intense at the ranges I felt like they were away from it
I see, yeah that could work
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From what I remember, they were pretty close from it but its better to wait for a scene
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Good movie, I liked it.
Can't wait for Lex to walk away from this as the god-tier of the film with 2-C prep time and planetary destruction overtime.
Can't wait for Lex to walk away from this as the god-tier of the film with 2-C prep time and planetary destruction overtime.
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I guess the Kaiju just existing would be like 8-C with those sort of stats. Not bad, considering that alone should put it above Starro.
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without doing further numbers it'd be 8-C+ but its fire breath is already calculated as High 8-C too
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Watch him team up with Reverse Flash just to somehow ruin Superman's life with sum timeline changes
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I'm gonna get a sandbox and calc comp blog started
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Judging by how this version of Lex straight up built an entire section of his pocket dimension for the single purpose of posting hate messages of Superman, I'm willing to bet he'd just pay Reverse Flash $20 to put a stain on Superman's suit just to make him look sloppy in a photo
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Lex could've killed Superman multiple times in this film if he actually committed to it lol.
Like, the moment he had him in that box with the kryptonite... that was already a win. Completely outplayed Superman there.
Or the time when he was spamming A1 at the end, but stopped because he had to let Superman get his line in and whistle for the dog.
Or the time when he had the guys lungs and brain filled with nanobots. I don't even really know how Superman survived that shit lmfao. It's a crazy endurance feat I guess. But I low-key just think that was plot.
Like, the moment he had him in that box with the kryptonite... that was already a win. Completely outplayed Superman there.
Or the time when he was spamming A1 at the end, but stopped because he had to let Superman get his line in and whistle for the dog.
Or the time when he had the guys lungs and brain filled with nanobots. I don't even really know how Superman survived that shit lmfao. It's a crazy endurance feat I guess. But I low-key just think that was plot.
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well tbf he had to turn him over to the US there and admitted if this was under different circumstances he would have killed him
very much an insane endurance feat still being able to somehow ******* fight through it to do that dive bombOr the time when he had the guys lungs and brain filled with nanobots. I don't even really know how Superman survived that shit lmfao. It's a crazy endurance feat I guess. But I low-key just think that was plot.
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Most likely a PIS moment but I perfer to see it as CIS because of how this Lex is built up. He's spent 3 years getting his butt kicked and only now has a winning streak because of him creating entire predictions and counter-moves for every possible scenario. Now, on Superman's last leg, he smiles confidently, says "Brains beat brawn" and whistles at the top of his lungs.
I interpet Lex in that scene literally going through his entire mental library trying to figure out what super-power or attack Superman was trying to use that would only be used as a final resort. Only for it to be some dog he only found out existed like a day or so ago.
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I just realized my interpretation of the whistle scene is literally just the ending of Guardians 1 again
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are we considering the Antarctica speed feat and the one where he flies into space and divebombs both the engineer and ultraman as scaling to combat and reactions? I wanna say so since Engineer and Ultraman were able to catch him in flight with her tendrils catching up to him, well I'd image so its actually supported by the junior novel saying Superman could "within microseconds" locate criminals scanning with his X-Ray vision which I mean I imagine they aren't meaning hundreds or dozens of microseconds so that'd be more MHS support.
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Its traditional to give your kaiju's height and weight. They've done it for a while
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Tbh I think his Flight Speed should scale to combat via the Ultraman vs Superman final fight
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This is obviously still early but I already am working the basis until we get better footage, I don't expect any of these calcs to have any significant change in value at all so kinda take these calcs as being similar to the final ratings I'd say
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Yeah I could not disagree more. The problem with Superman snapping Zod's neck isn't just that he killed someone. One of the major issues with Man of Steel Superman drawing the line at the neck-snap after he spent the last 45 minutes of the movie hardly doing anything about all the people dying around him is hilarious. He gives no particular indication that he values life nearly to the same extent DCU Superman does, so it means basically nothing that he cry-screams after doing it IMO. DCU Superman puts his money where his mouth is and actively tries his best to save whoever he can, so if he decides he can't defeat someone without killing them, I genuinely trust his judgment more.
The Man of Steel scene just ages worse every time I re-watch it.
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I feel like Superman should at minimum get an "At least High 8-C" rating, considering he was holding back against the Kaiju to avoid killing it, and the statements that he's the most powerful metahuman should scale him above Doctor Phosphorus.
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True I'll probably just put him at 8-B+ for now until everyone weighs in on how they feel about the KE shit but yeah at worst he'd be At least High 8-C
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