Is this an anti feat for tier 0

[Robo432343]

Yog-Sothoth (Guns Girl Z)

Yog-Sothoth (尤格Yòugé・索托斯Suǒtuōsī?) is an Outer God of the franchise Houkai Gakuen 2 or Gun Girls Z. The Outer Gods, deities who reside beyond the space-time of the Universe have infinite wisdom, but due to that fact they also have endless loneliness. Here you can attain anything you want, except...

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• Abstract Existence (Type 1: Concept [Type 1]; Yog-Sothoth is wisdom itself

Supraessential Existence: As it transcends all divisions and inequalities that qualify any given object as "This, not that" or "That, not this," a Tier 0 has no borders or outlines that delimit its existence, and in being totally unlimited, it thus exists as no particular thing whatsoever. Consequently, it has no soul or mind, exemplifies no universal, has no information defining it, nor is subject to any other metaphysical aspect.

oh
can someone put this in QNA

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Yeah, as it is said, tier 0 "exist as no particular thing", so it’s an antifeat being a concept or somethingness.

 

[Seraphor12]

is there an official translated version of that scan? From what I translated it(from gpt) it doesn't even say Yog Sothoth is wisdom itself. It describes it as "it was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being"

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Not really. AE is uncalled for but a tier 0 being wisdom itself isn’t really an anti feat since a tier 0 is still omniscient thus being purest example of wisdom and can be analogous to a mind.

 

[Seraphor12]

Not really. AE is uncalled for but a tier 0 being wisdom itself isn’t really an anti feat since a tier 0 is still omniscient thus being purest example of wisdom and can be analogous to a mind.

I think he was referring wisdom with information? like if a tier 0 is all information in the verse, then maybe that can be an anti-feat? or maybe not if it is not defining that tier 0

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Not really. AE is uncalled for but a tier 0 being wisdom itself isn’t really an anti feat since a tier 0 is still omniscient thus being purest example of wisdom and can be analogous to a mind.

Post in thread 'Tiering System Revisions: Tier 0'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/tiering-system-revisions-tier-0.163767/post-6334913 Ultima actually addresses essentially the exact same argument here.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I don’t see how this is an anti-feat. A divinely simple thing still is it’s attributes, except that all those attributes are equivalent to it’s existence.

I’m not too knowledgeable on this character in specific, but the scan can merely mean that it’s wisdom is equivalent to it’s own existence (i.e God is it’s own mind), which then would not be an antifeat as the character still lacks accidents.

 

[Seraphor12]

what about this

It just says it have infinite wisdom and that endless loneliness seems to be related to it's nature of All in one and one in all so idt it is an anti feat

 

[Mizuki67]

Yeah definitely not buying into this tier 0 thing . I hope it gets back to 1A

 

[Weaver261]

I agree that Justification for AE sucks....We will have to revise it.

Abstract Existence (Type 1: Concept [Type 1]; Yog-Sothoth is wisdom itself

This scan is stating from the perspective of a follower. Yog Sothoth is worshipped as Wisdom because well she basically hands out wisdom to those who wants it.
Quotes

If you have enough courage and psychological resolve, you may be able to get more wisdom from her.

The Door was opened in front of him, and the crystal-like bubbles surrounded him. This was the reward from God that he got from his piety. The King was moved to tears, and he had acquired infinite wisdom in his heart.

Then, from the driver's mouth, came truths that the Speaker could not believe—the origin of Religion, the Birth of Gods, the Origin of Wisdom, the common experience of preachers... And, the Eternal Bubble.

It's just something she hands out to people. I think I should just remove AE.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

profile quality is questionable anyway...
why do tier 0 profiles even have abilities just slap
All powers and abiltiies and cope ur boundless vro

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It's just something she hands out to people. I think I should just remove AE.

While you're at it, 'transduality' and 'nonduality' can also be removed, since they don't qualify according to VSBW standards. Also, how are things translated from the profile is it MLT?

profile quality is questionable anyway...
why do tier 0 profiles even have abilities just slap
All powers and abiltiies and cope ur boundless vro

It’s to show which abilities they’ve demonstrated, instead of just slapping 'all powers and abilities' on them.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

While you're at it, 'transduality' and 'nonduality' can also be removed, since they don't qualify according to VSBW standards. Also, how are things translated from the profile is it MLT?

Pretty sure Garrixian approved when they were TL helper at that tike so its..fine? ig

It’s to show which abilities they’ve demonstrated, instead of just slapping 'all powers and abilities' on them.

boundless characters when they have to showcase actual abilities (wallahi im finished)

 

[Weaver261]

While you're at it, 'transduality' and 'nonduality' can also be removed

Transduality for true from should be kept, no? Since yog is the Tao that transcends Ying and Yang duality that governs the entire cosmo.

 

[Re5yh]

Yeah definitely not buying into this tier 0 thing . I hope it gets back to 1A

Bruh, 1-A was debunked

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Transduality for true from should be kept, no? Since yog is the Tao that transcends Ying and Yang duality that governs the entire cosmo.

The reason for 'no' is that yin and yang aren't logical opposites, since in VSBW, dualities refer to logical negations.

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire.

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah definitely not buying into this tier 0 thing . I hope it gets back to 1A

1-A is more of like her avatar instead of her true form, keep coping lmao ngl it's funny to me

And about Abstract Existence, no, Wisdom is an inherent part of Yog-Sothoth. If you read all the Kizuna Entries, you would've understood that Yog-Sothoth isn't necessarily Wisdom itself cause she straight up transcends it (If we take Kizuna Entry 5 statements as literal, because the bubbles are just languages / text but I am pretty much unsure about this given it also could be interpreted as the bubble itself that transcends these limitations anyway cause the wisdom there is incomprehensible).

It's like this one concept in Hinduism where you attain Brahman through Prajna (Wisdom), they're both are not necessarily the same but they're still an inherent part of each other.

That being said, given all the bubbles are wisdom itself anyway. It's not really wrong to say that Yog is wisdom itself (It's like Yog is Nameless Tao itself on Kizuna Entry 2, or where Yog is the void of vanity itself in Kizuna Entry 3) when that's what she's been providing this entire time in Kizuna Entry 1-3, then the speaker was shown to enter the realm of like Yog-Sothoth's worshippers in Kizuna Entry 4-5 when they didn't believe it. Even so, they still can't comprehend the wisdom that Yog gave to them.

The bubbles are incomprehensible, the Buddha in Kizuna Entry 1 can't comprehend it when the bubble is stated to be viewing all conditioned phenomena as a dream, then Nameless Tao on Kizuna Entry 2 and then void of vanity in Kizuna Entry 3.

 

[Voidnether]

is there an official translated version of that scan? From what I translated it(from gpt) it doesn't even say Yog Sothoth is wisdom itself. It describes it as "it was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being"

Tbh, I think ChatGPT there refers to Cthulhu Mythus version of it because nothing in GGZ indicates those

 

[Mizuki67]

1-A is more of like her avatar instead of her true form, keep coping lmao ngl it's funny to me

Her Avatar is 1A ? Yeah good joke 1A was already debunked by @Telomera

 

[Voidnether]

Her Avatar is 1A ? Yeah good joke 1A was already debunked by @Telomera

Telomera only debunked Low 1-A..

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Telomera only debunked Low 1-A..

You also forgot the 1A crt that @Weaver261 made

 

[PedjaTarzan]

are we gonna debate if yoggy avatar is outer slop or dimensional slop or what? cuz both are ass and should be below goatku whos tier 0

 

[Robo432343]

The reason for 'no' is that yin and yang aren't logical opposites, since in VSBW, dualities refer to logical negations.

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire.

isn't transduality the main reason why she is tier 0 in the first place

if you remove that then there is no tier 0

 

[SweetDao]

isn't transduality the main reason why she is tier 0 in the first place

if you remove that then there is no tier 0

Nah, I think the whole stuff about definition/depiction is strong enough in and on itself to be tier 0

 

[Re5yh]

bump

 

[JayaReal]

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't believe in this tier 0 thing . I hope it goes back to tier 1A.

I hope so too, there are a lot of oddities.