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The Revenant Marvel Comics Discussion Thread

Yes. I am beginning to really not like Loki's modern incarnation any more than I liked their old incarnation, given their extreme tendency to treat other people like toys with their plot manipulation and shapeshifting, and to visit absolutely horrible fates upon them in Tyr's case, and for personal benefit in Donald Blake's and Thor's cases, even though Donald Blake was Donny Cates' horrible Thor characterisation's fault.

I also do not like that Ewing seems to have embraced the extreme double-standards for Thor and other characters that most Marvel writers seem to hold more tribalist identification with. When written right, Thor is one of the most genuinely virtuous Marvel Comics characters, but here he is written off as arrogant and in need of being killed and reborn as a mortal in order to learn yet another lesson in humility.

Okay, but when is that standard of karmic repentance going to be applied to the 99% of all the current Marvel Comics characters who have far greater moral problems than DeFalco's or Ewing's version of Thor has been portrayed with. Mystique was recently rationalised as being perfectly cuddly and acceptable in a story collection that Ewing participated with, and with his explicit blessing, despite that she has attempted or succcessfully performed plenty of hardcore Nazi level evil atrocities over the years and is an unrepentant thrill-killing sadistic supremacist and serial rapist. Heck, Ewing even wrote Storm as far more arrogant and overpowered than the way he handled Thor with the Odinforce, but that was perfectly manageable and acceptable then?

And despite that I generally like Ewing's writing quality and characterisations, he also has a bad continuous habit of breaking the narrative/story setting by completely overpowering plenty of characters who are not deemed to automatically be part of a problematic group, like Thor apparently is.

So, I probably agree with 99% of the values as such of this part of my fellow leftists, but not with a part of the applications. I strongly believe in equality for everybody, but equality means equal rights for everybody, which also means equal moral responsibilities for everybody, not one far more severe set of rules for one group, and enormously less strict rules for another, and certain artificial divisions of humanity as a whole being granted enormously greater power than all of the others, as that comes across as reverse-supremacism and a form of hatred in itself.

If we are going to learn to all get along on this planet, all of the ego-tripping tribalist artificial "group" versus "group" divisions need to end, especially in terms of jingoistic ultranationalistic xenophobic supremacism, but the "I'm the bestest supremiest best supreme being that ever bestest, and no moral rules or standards apply to me" narrative tendency is also not a wise choice at all, with the Krakoa storyline perhaps being the worst amoral excess displayed yet, and is only helping to drive lots of easily brainwashed people who are not part of favoured groups for the writers into becoming supporters of far right extremist complete monsters instead of getting convinced that equality and love for all is the best available option.

And the whole narrative concept that all the people with powers systematically get away without any bad consequences no matter how extreme atrocities they perform, in comparison to all the regular people who almost all end up tortured forever after they die, regardless that it is completely disproportionate retribution, and not based on rehabilitation and making up for their sins with good deeds, in the slightest for those who can be reformed and redeemed, also sends a horribly supremacist message to me, as does the concept that the people with powers are somehow oppressed by the people without any, while they keep emphasising how superior they are to everybody else, and perform absolutely horrible transgressions without any bad consequences, which is the X-Men concept in a nutshell, and completely opposed to how oppression in the real world usually works.

Sigh. Oh well. I seem to have gone off track again. In summary, I just really don't like any form of tribalism, supremacism, or extreme moral double-standards and ego-tripping. One love and equality for all in the true sense of the world. That is all.

And Thor learning more about the struggles of regular people might turn him into an even better character in the long run for all that I know.

🙏❤️🕊
my only hope now is that whatever Ewing's cooking with Mortal Thor will eventually wrap around into an amazing arc or series to return Thor back to form because I don't think his status quo needed to be changed so drastically (at least not yet) and I'm someone who's generally open to major shifts in comics
 
Well, if Thor returns to his full stature afterwards, with a greater understanding of the plights and struggles of regular humanity, rather than permanently being reduced to a fourth rate Storm due to that many neurotic writers imagine that Vikings and Nazis are the same thing simply because the Nazis completely distorted and bastardised symbols from lots of different cultures and religions from all over this world, and Viking mythology was one of them, or otherwise being deemed automatically politically incorrect for his combined gender and ethnicity, no matter how nice, noble, and virtuous he is when written properly, I suppose that is probably a good endgame. 🙏
 
To anybody who read the new Spider-Gwen issue, can you explain the ending to me? I THINK I understand what happened, but I'm also kinda confused about it...
 
To anybody who read the new Spider-Gwen issue, can you explain the ending to me? I THINK I understand what happened, but I'm also kinda confused about it...
You mean them completely erasing one of the god damn cornerstones of Marvel's entire franchise and somehow not completely undoing the entire continuity in a way that should have completely altered the very timeline of every event post Gwen's death, including Peter and MJ's relationship?
 
You mean them completely erasing one of the god damn cornerstones of Marvel's entire franchise and somehow not completely undoing the entire continuity in a way that should have completely altered the very timeline of every event post Gwen's death, including Peter and MJ's relationship?
Well... yeah, I guess that sounds about right. I know comics are weird like that, but I guess I was just hoping for a better understanding here.
 
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Funny how none of DC chars have a real opportunity now.
 
I was thinking about doing a Radioactive Man revision, but due to my currently limited knowledge of the chain scaling of Marvel street-tiers, I would like to ask a few questions:
First of all, it is implied that radioactive medicine makes Radioactive Man more powerful than he is already. Is this enough for varies or not, since it suggests that the more radiation he has access to, the more powerful he is, but it could also equally as likely just be considered as an outside amp.
Secondly, Rhodes describes Chen's punches like him having a ten megaton nuke in his hands. However, this would be 7-B, which is significantly higher than High 8-C, which most street tiers have atm. Should I use this or not?
Thirdly, he claims he could blow up all of New York if he wanted to. Is this enough for Low 7-B with Explosion Manipulation? Furthermore, he also blows up like a nuclear bomb at the end of the issue. Where would this scale?
Lastly, it is described that as mental stability and intelligence are heavily dependent on the amount of radiation he has absorbed. The more the radiation, the more unstable he is, and he also suffers from mood swings and bouts of irrational behaviors due to internal energy surges within his body. This suggests a 'varies' in his Intelligence section, and while it is clear what his 'normal' intelligence is (Genius), I was a bit confused as to his lower end. As far as I have read, internal energy surges caused his intelligence to be impaired for a time. This supposedly happens off-screen, but the only time that I see his intelligence to be obviously impaired is in Sensational She-Hulk Volume 1 24. He speaks without proper sentence structure, grammar, and a clearly impaired intelligence. This is also clear from the fact that while attempting to steal a vase from She-Hulk, instead of using any form of stealth, once he holds the vase for a second, he pompously announces so. When She-Hulk takes it back he says, "Oh no. I don't got it". When he comes back for a counterattack, he says 'Hurr! Hurr! Me got... er, you!', signifying the loss of his perfect grammar, and even having to think of a word as simple as, 'you. However, I don't know what conclusion I should pull from this or whether this is even enough for a lower-end.

Thanks in advance.
 
I admit to not be much of a radioactive man reader but I was sure that he wasn't a street tier. If he is more consistent with tier 7 so be it.
As for intelligence I would have rather put something like "genius normally, bellow average when unstable".
 
I admit to not be much of a radioactive man reader but I was sure that he wasn't a street tier. If he is more consistent with tier 7 so be it.
As for intelligence I would have rather put something like "genius normally, bellow average when unstable".
Thing is, Low 7-B with Explosion Manipulation is almost a guarantee, but if we accept 7-B physicals for the 10 megaton statement that would scale to Iron Man and Spidey who scale to everyone. Even thought Chen is consistently above both, they both have still taken hits from him
 
Thing is, Low 7-B with Explosion Manipulation is almost a guarantee, but if we accept 7-B physicals for the 10 megaton statement that would scale to Iron Man and Spidey who scale to everyone. Even thought Chen is consistently above both, they both have still taken hits from him
I'm sure 7-B iron man armours is not a big deal, I think some of them already scale nearly to that level, but scaling to Spider-Man is not possible, I would just call it an outlier even more so because I doubt that Spider-Man can just tank Radioactive man's punches head on.
 
I'm sure 7-B iron man armours is not a big deal, I think some of them already scale nearly to that level, but scaling to Spider-Man is not possible, I would just call it an outlier even more so because I doubt that Spider-Man can just tank Radioactive man's punches head on.
Eh I would agree on the outlier part, Spidey taking his blows happens in Untold Tales of Spider-Man #16, which seemingly forgets the fact that Spider-Man is barely even able to be around him without fainting (Iron Man #234). As for 7-B Iron Man Armour, while I'm not the most knowledgeable on Iron Man in general I think it wouldn't be that bad since the only person I can see that scales off of him is Luke Cage who is already stronger than most other Street Tiers.
 
Eh I would agree on the outlier part, Spidey taking his blows happens in Untold Tales of Spider-Man #16, which seemingly forgets the fact that Spider-Man is barely even able to be around him without fainting (Iron Man #234). As for 7-B Iron Man Armour, while I'm not the most knowledgeable on Iron Man in general I think it wouldn't be that bad since the only person I can see that scales off of him is Luke Cage who is already stronger than most other Street Tiers.
Both those scans clearly have Radioactive Man be too much for Spidey
Do you know which armour that was used by Rhodes? Does it even have a profile?
 
Gibbon? You mean the gods from runaways?
No, the ape man
The profile is decent enought on its own, I just want to thoroughly investigate a character with only 30 appearances (It's mostly practice to see if I start helping out on Marvel profiles)

In case it works out, I'm interested in Screwball
 
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Both those scans clearly have Radioactive Man be too much for Spidey
But he still takes hits from him though, right?
Do you know which armour that was used by Rhodes? Does it even have a profile?
While I haven't read every single one of his appearances yet (abt 75% done), I think he has only fought Iron Man a total of 3 times:
1. Iron Man #179: He was fighting with Rhodes, it was Model 4 which is what he currently scales off of.
2. Iron Man #234: He was fighting Tony, and trading blows with him, it was Model 9, but the fight isn't that long and there's no indication that Chen actually hurt him or would scale physically to his durability. Chen did take some blows from him, but his durability is already comfortably in the physically Planetary and Galactic with force fields area.
3. Iron Man: Legacy #4: He was fighting Model 16, but not sure if this fight would scale. The armor tells him that Chen's threat level is 'Extreme', but in the actual fight, due to Radioactive Man's nature, he is using EMPs, which idk if they scale to his physicals again, and the armor once more seems to be undamaged.

But I don't know if we should scale Model 4 off of a vague of a statement as 'it feels like he has a ten megaton nuke in his fist', since I'm not sure why Rhodes would have any knowledge regarding the physical strength of a nuke first hand, and the 'feel' part may be influenced by the fact that Radioactive Man gave him a killer headache a little while earlier, which could have been negatively affecting his physicals.
 
But he still takes hits from him though, right?
The first scan the narrative was clearly saying Spider-Man was too weak, and the second one Radioactive men seems to just casually throw Spiderman as if he was just a nuisance.
While I haven't read every single one of his appearances yet (abt 75% done), I think he has only fought Iron Man a total of 3 times:
1. Iron Man #179: He was fighting with Rhodes, it was Model 4 which is what he currently scales off of.
2. Iron Man #234: He was fighting Tony, and trading blows with him, it was Model 9, but the fight isn't that long and there's no indication that Chen actually hurt him or would scale physically to his durability. Chen did take some blows from him, but his durability is already comfortably in the physically Planetary and Galactic with force fields area.
3. Iron Man: Legacy #4: He was fighting Model 16, but not sure if this fight would scale. The armor tells him that Chen's threat level is 'Extreme', but in the actual fight, due to Radioactive Man's nature, he is using EMPs, which idk if they scale to his physicals again, and the armor once more seems to be undamaged.

But I don't know if we should scale Model 4 off of a vague of a statement as 'it feels like he has a ten megaton nuke in his fist', since I'm not sure why Rhodes would have any knowledge regarding the physical strength of a nuke first hand, and the 'feel' part may be influenced by the fact that Radioactive Man gave him a killer headache a little while earlier, which could have been negatively affecting his physicals.
Rhodes is a high ranked military so I think he knows what a nuke is.
Ultimately it will be decided once everything is presented in the CRT but I think Radioactive Men is not really a street level guy.
 
The first scan the narrative was clearly saying Spider-Man was too weak, and the second one Radioactive men seems to just casually throw Spiderman as if he was just a nuisance.
It was Mary Jane, who had just found out that Spidey is Peter, so she was likely under the impression that he was weaker than he actually is. I agree that he probably doesn't scale though.
Rhodes is a high ranked military so I think he knows what a nuke is.
Sure, but why would he know what it feels like to be hit by one?
Ultimately it will be decided once everything is presented in the CRT but I think Radioactive Men is not really a street level guy.
Technically, I started reading his stuff like 3 months ago, but I lost interest, so I have limited knowledge on the earlier issues, so I will probably reread everything once more and then make the actual CRT.

Also, do you know any feats of Songbird (Mel Gold) or Swordsman (Andreas Strucker), since it was implicated than Chen is superior to both?
 
Sure, but why would he know what it feels like to be hit by one?
In those cases it's usually just a way for the author to express how powerful someone is, his military background is probably the reason he says "10 megatons" specifically, considering it's radioactive man it makes sense to compare him to nukes too.
Also, do you know any feats of Songbird (Mel Gold) or Swordsman (Andreas Strucker), since it was implicated than Chen is superior to both?
I remember once Songbird and Quake cancelled each other's out during a fight I'm not sure how scalable is that since they just used the same frequency but I think they would need equal power to null each other as that's how vibrations work. Quake is tier 7 by her own calc but I'm not sure how consistent would that be for Songbird.
 
In those cases it's usually just a way for the author to express how powerful someone is, his military background is probably the reason he says "10 megatons" specifically, considering it's radioactive man it makes sense to compare him to nukes too.
Makes decent enough sense.

Also what's your opinion on this feat; Mandarin mind controls Chen to break his own thumb, albeit it off screen. Would this scale him to his own durability? (he has taken hits from a furious Namor)
 
Makes decent enough sense.

Also what's your opinion on this feat; Mandarin mind controls Chen to break his own thumb, albeit it off screen. Would this scale him to his own durability? (he has taken hits from a furious Namor)
Namor is tier 5 better not go that far off unless he has many more tier 5 stuff.
Regarding the other I don't see what you expect me to say, I would rather not to go into the all "hurting myself is me being weak or strong".
 
The Godzilla in the Godzilla vs Thor comic is really strong and should scale to or even above full power Thor. Do you think he could get a page?
 
To anybody who read the new Spider-Gwen issue, can you explain the ending to me? I THINK I understand what happened, but I'm also kinda confused about it...
You mean them completely erasing one of the god damn cornerstones of Marvel's entire franchise and somehow not completely undoing the entire continuity in a way that should have completely altered the very timeline of every event post Gwen's death, including Peter and MJ's relationship?
What happened there? 🙏
 
I know Spider-Gwen used the Cosmic Cube's power to rewrite Earth-616's history so that she always lived on there, but I think she merged herself with her 616 counterpart in the process? Full disclaimer, I haven't read the issue myself, but I'm basing this on what I heard online and was hoping for proper clarification.
Why is it so common for people to get those
 
Hi, the one who said he was working on Gibbon:
I'm only missing his appearances in Hunted and an extra one from a later Spider-Man volume.
But there's something I wanted to ask about the first issues: What ability would this be?
 
Well, if Thor returns to his full stature afterwards, with a greater understanding of the plights and struggles of regular humanity, rather than permanently being reduced to a fourth rate Storm due to that many neurotic writers imagine that Vikings and Nazis are the same thing simply because the Nazis completely distorted and bastardised symbols from lots of different cultures and religions from all over this world, and Viking mythology was one of them, or otherwise being deemed automatically politically incorrect for his combined gender and ethnicity, no matter how nice, noble, and virtuous he is when written properly, I suppose that is probably a good endgame. 🙏
Only thing I'm potentially annoyed about is that Thor is probably going to be set back to his usual state without Kingship or the Odin/Thor-Force.

Factory reset is king.
 
Only thing I'm potentially annoyed about is that Thor is probably going to be set back to his usual state without Kingship or the Odin/Thor-Force.

Factory reset is king.
Honestly, I'm surprised it took them this long to do that. With the way comics can be about status quo and such, I was expecting it to happen sooner.
 
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