Genshin Impact: All-Devouring Narwhal tier revision

[Berento_Magnifico]

In Skirk's story quest, she stated that the All-Devouring Narwhal only used a fraction of its powers back in Fontaine and that it could swallow a whole planet.

This should put the All-Devouring Narwhal at 5-B planetary level and could also potentially upgrade Skirk as well as the Traveler since they got stronger after Fontaine.

https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7

 

[Shey]

This ain't the one champ

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

This ain't the one champ

Lmao I provided the link as well, I wouldn't believe that statement either if someone like Diona said it, but yeah whatever, country level it is

 

[Puppet43]

I mean, yeah i agree, put i would just wait to make a general threath about this topic (5B genshin) with all the statments and evidence needed

 

[Saqphire]

Obvious agree. This could potentially upscale Raiden aswell as iirc we don’t have Lumine stronger than her 100 visions form and Raiden is still above her there so

 

[PedjaTarzan]

In Skirk's story quest, she stated that the All-Devouring Narwhal only used a fraction of its powers back in Fontaine and that it could swallow a whole planet.

This should put the All-Devouring Narwhal at 5-B planetary level and could also potentially upgrade Skirk as well as the Traveler since they got stronger after Fontaine.

https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7

not sure abt Skirk and Traveler as they fought Skofnungr who only took part of ADN power.

 

[Puppet43]

not sure abt Skirk and Traveler

Skirk already in 4.2 implied she could deal with the Narwhal by herself

This could potentially upscale Raiden

Raiden nor any archon scale to any shape or form to this, the only characters affected would be: Sinners, Shades, Primordial One, The 7 Sovereings, Skirk (Base and Post 4.2 Amp) and Traveler (Post Skirk Training)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Skirk already in 4.2 implied she could deal with the Narwhal by herself

Well depends if she meant the hungry narwhal or the narwhal that attacked fontaine

 

[Puppet43]

Well depends if she meant the hungry narwhal or the narwhal that attacked fontaine

I think the context is entirely for all stages, she in fact trains with the narwhal, so yeah

 

[Saqphire]

Raiden nor any archon scale to any shape or form to this, the only characters affected would be: Sinners, Shades, Primordial One, The 7 Sovereings, Skirk (Base and Post 4.2 Amp) and Traveler (Post Skirk Training)

Did ya even take a look as to why I argued Raiden’s inclusion? If yes, what evidence do we have for Post-Skirk Training Lumine > Raiden/100 visions Lumine?

 

[Puppet43]

If yes, what evidence do we have for Post-Skirk Training Lumine > Raiden/100 visions Lumine?

100 vision amp Traveler is litterally at the same lvl as Pyro Traveler, both can keep up with Ei (5.4 Event, vs Chiyo's Nightmare) just that narritevely Pyro has more abilities and bla bla bla, Skirk training happens post Natlan so; Post Training > Pyro >= Ambition amp
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But even without the Traveler chain scaling, Narwhal requiered a Sovereing to be stopped, so why would suddenly 2 archons have the same power lvl as a Sovereing? This Archon above Sovereing agenda must be stop lmao

 

[Saqphire]

100 vision amp Traveler is litterally at the same lvl as Pyro Traveler, both can keep up with Ei (5.4 Event, vs Chiyo's Nightmare) just that narritevely Pyro has more abilities and bla bla bla, Skirk training happens post Natlan so; Post Training > Pyro >= Ambition amp

Not a good enough argument. Pyro Lumine keeping up with Ei =/= she keeps up at the same rate and strength as her when she was at her 100 vision form + we already accept that Ei was holding back immensely against 100V Lumine so this line of scaling just doesn’t matter.

But even without the Traveler chain scaling, Narwhal requiered a Sovereing to be stopped, so why would suddenly 2 archons have the same power lvl as a Sovereing? This Archon above Sovereing agenda must be stop lmao

Why would a Sovereign be above an Archon even? We know both groups have individuals with varying strengths (e.g. Mavuika vs. Venti) so it is entirely possible for some Archons and Sovereigns to be weaker/stronger than a Sovereign/Archon

 

[PedjaTarzan]

we already accept that Ei was holding back immensely against 100V Lumine so this line of scaling just doesn’t matter.

Whos we? why would lumine get amped by 100 visions just to fight holding back Ei?

 

[Puppet43]

Pyro Lumine keeping up with Ei =/= she keeps up at the same rate and strength as her when she was at her 100 vision form

No, in fact is even worst, because Ei at the time of event has the 2.7 Full musshon potential, so its a stronger Ei that the one we fought with an amp lol

Why would a Sovereign be above an Archon even?

The same sovereings stated multiple times to see Archons as speckles of dust and Mavuika praising the heck out of a Ronova amp? same Ronova is relative to a Sovereing at worst

We know both groups have individuals with varying strengths (e.g. Mavuika vs. Venti)

Both scale from the same 24 Teratons thing, Mavuika is just slighthy above Venti because statments say Raiden Shogun > Venti and Mavuika = Raiden Ei (which is comparable to the Puppet)

Sovereigns to be weaker/stronger than a Sovereign/Archon

The 7 Sovereings went against the same foe, even if there was a power difference it would be miniscule like for example Fly vs Mosquito

Whos we?

Him and his dreams

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

For Skirk's statement, does the original translation also back up the Narwhal being able to swallow the planet?

 

[Furina003]

Well depends if she meant the hungry narwhal or the narwhal that attacked fontaine

skirk will arrive, because narwhal is just a training session for her, so power scaling will work here

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

In Skirk's story quest, she stated that the All-Devouring Narwhal only used a fraction of its powers back in Fontaine and that it could swallow a whole planet.

This should put the All-Devouring Narwhal at 5-B planetary level and could also potentially upgrade Skirk as well as the Traveler since they got stronger after Fontaine.

https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7

I don't like being the "" in the room, but are we sure it's talking about a non-gradual destruction?

 

[Furina003]

I don't like being the "" in the room, but are we sure it's talking about a non-gradual destruction?

no, narwhals just need physical contact, that's why skirk threw the narwhal into the void space

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

no, narwhals just need physical contact, that's why skirk threw the narwhal into the void space

Yes. This is what the scan says:

It's called the All-Devouring Narwhal for a reason - "devouring" is what it does best. It can extract power from anything, dead or alive, as long as it manages to make physical contact.

My question is about how that process works. Is it instantaneous? Or does it take time for the Narwhal to "devour" everything?

Also, are we sure this is related to AP and not to a special ability? I wouldn’t mind giving the ability a planetary range in that case, instead of assigning a concrete tier.

 

[Furina003]

Yes. This is what the scan says:



My question is about how that process works. Is it instantaneous? Or does it take time for the Narwhal to "devour" everything?

Also, are we sure this is related to AP and not to a special ability? I wouldn’t mind giving the ability a planetary range in that case, instead of assigning a concrete tier.

then skirk said narwhal gaping mouth can swallow a planet whole, is swallowing a job that takes a long time?

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

then skirk said narwhal gaping mouth can swallow a planet whole, is swallowing a job that takes a long time?

I mean, based on the wording of the statement, it seems clear to me that the act of "swallowing" isn't literally devouring the planet in one bite, it sounds more like a form of absorption of some sort.

I'm not a Genshin fan, I'm just trying to help the thread move forward without issues. I just need that clarified so the staff members can vote without doubts.

 

[Furina003]

I mean, based on the wording of the statement, it seems clear to me that the act of "swallowing" isn't literally devouring the planet in one bite, it sounds more like a form of absorption of some sort.

I'm not a Genshin fan, I'm just trying to help the thread move forward without issues. I just need that clarified so the staff members can vote without doubts.

it didn't take long, i also explained so that this thread can run, there is no indication that it took long, then how are we going to say it took a long time, swallow is a verb to describe that it didn't take long, skirk also explained that devouring is his specialty, that's why she threw the narwhal into the void, for that the narwhal wouldn't swallow anything that came into contact with it

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

it didn't take long, i also explained so that this thread can run, there is no indication that it took long, then how are we going to say it took a long time

Why do you believe the effect is instantaneous? Is there any actual proof, or is it just an assumption?

swallow is a verb to describe that it didn't take long, skirk also explained that devouring is his specialty, that's why she threw the narwhal into the void, for that the narwhal wouldn't swallow anything that came into contact with it

That character's ability is based on extracting power through direct physical contact. "Devouring" is put in quotes in the statement because it's not literally the narwhal eating the planet in one bite, otherwise, the clarification stating that physical contact is needed to extract power wouldn’t make any sense to begin with.

As I mentioned above, based on the statement shown by the OP, it seems pretty straightforward that the act of "swallowing" isn’t literal and is more metaphorical.

 

[Furina003]

Why do you believe the effect is instantaneous? Is there any actual proof, or is it just an assumption?



That character's ability is based on extracting power through direct physical contact. "Devouring" is put in quotes in the statement because it's not literally the narwhal eating the planet in one bite, otherwise, the clarification stating that physical contact is needed to extract power wouldn’t make any sense to begin with.

As I mentioned above, based on the statement shown by the OP, it seems pretty straightforward that the act of "swallowing" isn’t literal and is more metaphorical.

because it only swallows, and only needs physical contact so it is thrown into the void to prevent it from devouring, I will not explain anything more, because I think that is enough to prove that it does not take long

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I don't think utterly ignoring contentions and repeating ad nauseam what is being questioned is a smart way of approaching a CRT, but okay I guess.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I mean, based on the wording of the statement, it seems clear to me that the act of "swallowing" isn't literally devouring the planet in one bite, it sounds more like a form of absorption of some sort.

I'm not a Genshin fan, I'm just trying to help the thread move forward without issues. I just need that clarified so the staff members can vote without doubts.

as far as statement goes, im sure hes based arnd how hungry he is, if hes hungry he can swallow entire planet in his mouth and devour everything inside it.
if hes satitated and less agressive he just eats anything in his contact.
which is why he was less agressive and thus weaker when we fought it first time in story
if anything he should have tier 5 when hungry and "lower" when satitated
for dura itself...have fun lol

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

I've stumbled upon more information regarding the All-Devouring Narwhal on the Genshin Impact Wiki in the lore section to confirm whether the statement in-game in Skirk's story quest is true for all languages and by the looks of it, it's true.

If Neuvillette, who's 5-B, struggled against a satiated All-Devouring Narwhal, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the same tier.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/All-Devouring_Narwhal

https://files.fm/u/r7eqx82afh

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

as far as statement goes, im sure hes based arnd how hungry he is, if hes hungry he can swallow entire planet in his mouth and devour everything inside it.
if hes satitated and less agressive he just eats anything in his contact.
which is why he was less agressive and thus weaker when we fought it first time in story
if anything he should have tier 5 when hungry and "lower" when satitated

Thank you so much for the additional explanation.

I think you're right in a way, but the problem is that, as I explained above, this "planet devouring" process happens through energy extraction via contact. I don't see any mention that the Narwhal is large enough to literally devour a planet or anything like that, which leads me to believe that the act of "swallowing" is indeed about extracting power from things and destroying them that way (a more metaphorical approach of the word).

I think this could result in an absorption ability with planetary range, but I don't think it's applicable to its AP at the moment.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I've stumbled upon more information regarding the All-Devouring Narwhal on the Genshin Impact Wiki in the lore section to confirm whether the statement in-game in Skirk's story quest is true for all languages and by the looks of it, it's true.

If Neuvillette, who's 5-B, struggled against a satiated All-Devouring Narwhal, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the same tier.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/All-Devouring_Narwhal

https://files.fm/u/r7eqx82afh

If you have evidence of this coming directly from the game and not just the wiki, then I suppose 5-B physically could be fine through scaling.

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

If you have evidence of this coming directly from the game and not just the wiki, then I suppose 5-B physically could be fine through scaling.

Absolutely, the link I provided is at the very beginning of this post and is in fact in the game.

Here is it again:
https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Thank you so much for the additional explanation.

I think you're right in a way, but the problem is that, as I explained above, this "planet devouring" process happens through energy extraction via contact. I don't see any mention that the Narwhal is large enough to literally devour a planet or anything like that, which leads me to believe that the act of "swallowing" is indeed about extracting power from things and destroying them that way (a more metaphorical approach of the word).

Devouring and swallowing are explained differently, because swallowing implies he can shove entire planet in his mouth and into its belly, while devouring in question is extracting power from anything it comes into contact dead or alive.

I think this could result in an absorption ability with planetary range, but I don't think it's applicable to its AP at the moment.

if its trough absorption only it can be 5-B with absorption but physicals would remain tier 6.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Devouring and swallowing are explained differently, because swallowing implies he can shove entire planet in his mouth and into its belly, while devouring in question is extracting power from anything it comes into contact dead or alive.

Sorry, but this interpretation doesn’t make sense. Both terms are used interchangeably in the text to indicate the same process.

if its trough absorption only it can be 5-B with absorption but physicals would remain tier 6.

I'm not sure an absorption ability can be in the AP section unless the character can use the absorbed energy by releasing it in an attack (like this character)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Sorry, but this interpretation doesn’t make sense. Both terms are used interchangeably in the text to indicate the same process.

ur right lol mb, yeah hoyo better learn how to animate proper feats for genshin lmao cant have 99% of scaling done trough offscreen feats

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Absolutely, the link I provided is at the very beginning of this post and is in fact in the game.

Here is it again:
https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7

I was referring to what you posted earlier: that Neuvillette (5‑B key) had trouble fighting the Narwhal. That could potentially bump the Narwhal to 5‑B via a scaling chain. But you need to provide solid evidence to support that claim.

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

I was referring to what you posted earlier: that Neuvillette (5‑B key) had trouble fighting the Narwhal. That could potentially bump the Narwhal to 5‑B via a scaling chain. But you need to provide solid evidence to support that claim.

I mean the evidence is practically in Neuvillette's VS Battle Wiki site:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Neuvillette

And now that we know that the All-Devouring Narwhal was satiated during their fight and only showed a fraction of its powers, it's safe to say that it's obviously way stronger than we had anticipated and this is backed up via Skirk's statement in her story quest in the latest version of Genshin Impact:

https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7
https://files.fm/u/r7eqx82afh

I genuinely don't think that it's exaggerated putting the All-Devouring Narwhal at 5-B.

 

[Shey]

I mean, based on the wording of the statement, it seems clear to me that the act of "swallowing" isn't literally devouring the planet in one bite, it sounds more like a form of absorption of some sort.

It kinda is, it has a pseudo black hole in its mouth that leads to a pocket dimension that contains its power source, it absorbs energy this way

I'm not a Genshin fan, I'm just trying to help the thread move forward without issues. I just need that clarified so the staff members can vote without doubts.

If there's more context you want to know just ask

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I mean the evidence is practically in Neuvillette's VS Battle Wiki site:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Neuvillette

And now that we know that the All-Devouring Narwhal was satiated during their fight and only showed a fraction of its powers, it's safe to say that it's obviously way stronger than we had anticipated and this is backed up via Skirk's statement in her story quest in the latest version of Genshin Impact:

https://files.fm/u/fh2yctqps7
https://files.fm/u/r7eqx82afh

I genuinely don't think that it's exaggerated putting the All-Devouring Narwhal at 5-B.

Let me see if I get this right. Narwhal at its full power > Neuvillette, correct?

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

Let me see if I get this right. Narwhal at its full power > Neuvillette, correct?

I'd say they might be equal given the fact that Neuvillette reclaimed his full authority over the Hydro element and is now a fully fledged dragon, basically one of the Sovereigns, but the fact that the All-Devouring Narwhal is a pet of Surtalogi himself, who's one of the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah, who're stated to have world-shattering power by Dainsleif himself, speaks volumes. Now, this is all just speculation, as we haven't seen both the All-Devouring Narwhal and Neuvillette fight against one another in their full power before, but the Narwhal seems to have better and more consistent statements, especially from other characters like Skirk and on top of the fact that the narrative seems to support it.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

I'd say they might be equal given the fact that Neuvillette reclaimed his full authority over the Hydro element and is now a fully fledged dragon, basically one of the Sovereigns, but the fact that the All-Devouring Narwhal is a pet of Surtalogi himself, who's one of the Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah, who're stated to have world-shattering power by Dainsleif himself, speaks volumes. Now, this is all just speculation, as we haven't seen both the All-Devouring Narwhal and Neuvillette fight against one another in their full power before, but the Narwhal seems to have better and more consistent statements, especially from other characters like Skirk and on top of the fact that the narrative seems to support it.

I think a possibly 5-B physically should be fine until Genshin provides more information.

Regarding the Narwhal's "devouring" ability, I think it could be indexed as having planetary range too.

 

[Berento_Magnifico]

I think a possibly 5-B physically should be fine until Genshin provides more information.

Regarding the Narwhal's "devouring" ability, I think it could be indexed as having planetary range too.

Let's just see and wait for a staff member, whenever that will be.