Ikki Regeneration and Resurrection

[AerrowStorm1]

Phoenix Ikki is missing like, his two biggest feats on his profile

Immortality Type 8 (tied to the Phoenix Constellation) (Resurrected himself from being killed in the Mt. Fuji Collapse Saint Seiya vol 5-6, and Resurrected from being killed by the Galactica Illusion Saint Seiya vol 25, Shaka says he would need to destroy Ikki's body and soul to prevent his resurrection forcing him to use the Tenbu Hōrin on Ikki and later says Ikki is immortal like the Phoenix Cloth and will always return. In Episode G Requiem, it's stated his immortality is tied to the Phoenix constellation and cloth, and his "fate" as the Phoenix)


and Regeneration (low-godly) Regenerated from being blown to Space Dust, St. Seiya vol 13,16)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Resurrected from being blown to space dust, St. Seiya vol 13 and 16, and Resurrected from being killed by the Galactica Illusion Saint Seiya vol 25)

and Regeneration (Mid-High) Regenerated from being blown to Space Dust, St. Seiya vol 13,16)

You can't use Resurrection for have Regeneration and the same thing with Regeneration. Also this is just a Immortality Type 4

 

[AerrowStorm1]

You can't use Resurrection for have Regeneration and the same thing with Regeneration. Also this is just a Immortality Type 4

Edited. Thanks

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Will I agree with Self-Resurrection (Immortality Type 4) & Regeneration (Immortality Type 3)

 

[Hasty12345]

It’s type 8 due to the Phoenix constellation

 

[MeiouHades]

It’s type 8 due to the Phoenix constellation

Didn't he come back even after Pontos had destroyed the constellation?

 

[Hasty12345]

Didn't he come back even after Pontos had destroyed the constellation?

Saved by his bond with Athena, but it is implied even if the Phoenix Constellation is erased, it will come back and then Ikki will as well.

 

[MeiouHades]

Saved by his bond with Athena, but it is implied even if the Phoenix Constellation is erased, it will come back and then Ikki will as well.

Type 8 is probably fine then, although I'm pretty sure the Mount Fuji incident was because of Chronos' meddling to change the course of the timeline or Ikki would've been Hades' choice of a host this time

 

[AlexZiggy]

Doesn't Shaka say that Ikki will continue to return as long as his soul exists? Isn't that Low-Godly?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Doesn't Shaka say that Ikki will continue to return as long as his soup exists? Isn't that Low-Godly?

If he regenerate his physical body after it completed destroyed, then yes

 

[AlexZiggy]

Alright so Shaka says this:



"Body and soul", which implies that even if his body is destroyed, he will return. Which it is when he sacrifices himself against Saga later on in the arc:



Considering he then comes back in later arcs, I think Low-Godly makes sense

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Alright so Shaka says this:



"Body and soul", which implies that even if his body is destroyed, he will return. Which it is when he sacrifices himself against Saga later on in the arc:



Considering he then comes back in later arcs, I think Low-Godly makes sense

Break your body and soul, I don't see any prove for his body would destroyed completed, break is means "separate into pieces" means "shatter" unless if you have scan for his body was completely destroyed not just shatter. Also scan don't show me his body was destroyed

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Break your body and soul, I don't see any prove for his body would destroyed completed, break is means "separate into pieces" means "shatter" unless if you have scan for his body was completely destroyed not just shatter. Also scan don't show me his body was destroyed

They do.

So, we see Saga hit Ikki with the Galaxian Explosion and Ikki begin to blow apart. Saga says Ikki has been destroyed without a trace, and thought Seiya would be too, but Seiya was protected by Ikki. We also see no trace of Ikki after the explosion. Shaka says Ikki was blown to star dust. Shun says he was blown to space dust. Lymandas Caca says he was disintegrated

 

[Huesito88]

They do.

So, we see Saga hit Ikki with the Galaxian Explosion and Ikki begin to blow apart. Saga says Ikki has been destroyed without a trace, and thought Seiya would be too, but Seiya was protected by Ikki. We also see no trace of Ikki after the explosion. Shaka says Ikki was blown to star dust. Shun says he was blown to space dust. Lymandas Caca says he was disintegrated

He means he doesn't see any scans of Ikki coming back from literally nothingness

 

[AerrowStorm1]

In fact, here's the full moment from Saint Seiya vol 13.
Saga was explictly trying to disintegrate Ikki and Seiya and Seiya, who was mere feet from Ikki is shown but any body or corpse of Ikki is nowhere to be seen despite Seiya being farther from Saga than Ikki.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Break your body and soul, I don't see any prove for his body would destroyed completed, break is means "separate into pieces" means "shatter" unless if you have scan for his body was completely destroyed not just shatter. Also scan don't show me his body was destroyed

You're mixing scans. The first one is supporting evidence for the second. Saga obliterated Ikki without a trace as stated twice by the Gemini. There's no body because he was desintegrated

 

[AerrowStorm1]

He means he doesn't see any scans of Ikki coming back from literally nothingness

Oh, then we see him reappear unharmed here in vol 16.

First, Lymandes senses a massive cosmo, that takes the form of a Phoenix, then we get that cosmos talking and takes the form of Ikki, and Ikki says he's returned from Hell.

 

[AlexZiggy]

Low-Godly would then apply on top of Type 8 reliant on the Phoenix Cloth/Constellation which as GR tells us are linked by destiny.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

In fact, here's the full moment from Saint Seiya vol 13.
Saga was explictly trying to disintegrate Ikki and Seiya and Seiya, who was mere feet from Ikki is shown but any body or corpse of Ikki is nowhere to be seen despite Seiya being farther from Saga than Ikki.

I think the Low-Godly is fine

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Oh, then we see him reappear unharmed here in vol 16.

First, Lymandes senses a massive cosmo, that takes the form of a Phoenix, then we get that cosmos talking and takes the form of Ikki, and Ikki says he's returned from Hell.

If i'm correct, in this scan Ikki was resurrected with his body, so this is Immortality (Type 4 [Low-Godly])

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Low Godly and type 8 Immortality, got it.

I will wait for one more confirmation then add it.

 

[Huesito88]

Low Godly and type 8 Immortality, got it.

I will wait for one more confirmation then add it.

None of us are staff members with staff evaluation rights

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Damn it

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Go and ask them in their wall.

 

[Huesito88]

Damn it

You should also update the op on the justification along with adding the 1-6 cavities when he fought Shaka, and the constellations stuff

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Updated the OP

 

[Huesito88]

Updated the OP

I think adding Shaka's next action too, on what he does in response to what he thinks will allow him to off Ikki should be added (Bolded part is what I added, just unbold it)

Immortality Type 8 (tied to the Phoenix Constellation) (Resurrected himself from being killed in the Mt. Fuji Collapse Saint Seiya vol 5-6, and Resurrected from being killed by the Galactica Illusion Saint Seiya vol 25, Shaka says he would need to destroy Ikki's body and soul to prevent his resurrection, forcing him to use the Tenbu Hōrin on Ikki, and later says Ikki is immortal like the Phoenix Cloth and will always return. In Episode G Requiem, it's stated his immortality is tied to the Phoenix constellation and cloth, and his "fate" as the Phoenix)

....

Btw thoughts on the CRT Unshakable?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I suppose OP is fine, from what I can see

 

[AsterReal]

I'm fine with that, but I think in the Regeneration it should specify "over time" since according to the scans, Ikki only reformed from being disintegrated by the Galaxian Explosion until the Poseidon arc.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

How much time passed between these events because im thinking its non combat applicable if its too long ain't it?

I know mt Fuji was pretty quick though

I think everything else was slower

 

[AerrowStorm1]

How much time passed between these events because im thinking its non combat applicable if its too long ain't it?

I know mt Fuji was pretty quick though

I think everything else was slower

It was a month for Poseidon, and seconds for Galactica Illusion, though Ikki implies his resurrection is less about how long it takes and more about when it's his "fate" to come back, wondering why he didn't revive faster to help Seiya in his final battle.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

It was a month for Poseidon, and seconds for Galactica Illusion, though Ikki implies his resurrection is less about how long it takes and more about when it's his "fate" to come back, wondering why he didn't revive faster to help Seiya in his final battle.

Huh that's a weird stipulation.... I want to say there's more nuances too it but that'd probably require a crt of its own

The time frame is reliant on fate no idea what that would be

 

[Danny33wise]

Obviously agree

 

[AerrowStorm1]

Huh that's a weird stipulation.... I want to say there's more nuances too it but that'd probably require a crt of its own

The time frame is reliant on fate no idea what that would be

Like, for example, when he reappears in the Silver Saint fight, it's mere hours at most after he just died (Seiya fights Lizard Misty pretty much immediately, he fights Whale Morris at sunset, and it's still nighttime when Seiya and Saori swandive off a cliff and Ikki rescues them), his clothes are still dirty, implying he literally dug himself out of Mt. Fuji to appear, and he teleports in a flash of light to appear only when Seiya was KO'd and Saori had no one to fight for her.

With the Sanctuary thing, he literally appears just in time when Shun's about to be killed

and then in the Hades arc, he pops up immediately after being killed since only he and Kanon were left to fight.

I'd say the regen/res is instant, but it needs outside circumstances/Fate to activate. Someone in danger, someone about to die, or last hope type shit.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Like, for example, when he reappears in the Silver Saint fight, it's mere hours at most after he just died (Seiya fights Lizard Misty pretty much immediately, he fights Whale Morris at sunset, and it's still nighttime when Seiya and Saori swandive off a cliff and Ikki rescues them), his clothes are still dirty, implying he literally dug himself out of Mt. Fuji to appear, and he teleports in a flash of light to appear only when Seiya was KO'd and Saori had no one to fight for her.

With the Sanctuary thing, he literally appears just in time when Shun's about to be killed

and then in the Hades arc, he pops up immediately after being killed since only he and Kanon were left to fight.

I'd say the regen/res is instant, but it needs outside circumstances/Fate to activate. Someone in danger, someone about to die, or last hope type shit.

You can add a note on the profile explaining this btw

For a versus thread, I'd say people can estipulate whether they want the "fate active" or go with the baseline (as in, not combat applicable in most situations)

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP seems reasonable to me.

 

[AerrowStorm1]

I still need one mod vote to add it, yeah?

 

[Huesito88]

I still need one mod vote to add it, yeah?

Yes

 

[Huesito88]

Bomp

 

[AlexZiggy]

Oh right this is still going
I got some bad news. I went ahead and checked the scan I myself shared off site and unfortunately, seems like it's another Viz screw up. Here's the Japanese raw:



Apparently the word "soul" is not there. I talked to a reliable translator off site and this is what they went with:

一輝よ、君は多少は地獄の底を見てきた男…
Ikki, you are a man who has seen at least a little of the depths of hell...

そんな男を生身のまま六道輪廻へ落とそうとしたのは過ちだったようだ
It seems it was a mistake to try to cast a man like you down into the six realms of transmigration alive as you are now.

君にはそれなりの姿になっていってもらう必要がある
I will need to make you take on a more appropriate form.

そうすれば否応なしにもはや復活などありえん
That way you will no longer be able to resurrect.

な…なにい！？
Wh-what?!

なんだあれは！？
What's that?!

So yeah. It's not affecting type 8 immortality as that one isn't reliant on this scan. But the Low Godly did use this as supporting evidence. Now Ikki did come back from being utterly destroyed, but without this specific statement I suppose that could also be seen as simple Resurrection