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Dark Tower: New Profiles

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Well, I suppose that a warning seems sufficient, since Jason undid his tier 0 edits to Gan and the verse page.

However, we still need to determine proper regeneration levels for these characters. 🙏
 
Is somebody in our staff willing to update our official warning tracker? 🙏
 
What is the reasoning for Pennywise's regeneration level? 🙏
 
If he's willing to remove it then that’s fine by me. He can always make a CRT to add/revise what regeneration fits (thank goodness I didn't want to reread those profiles).
 
Perhaps we should place it as "Unknown" due to being diffusely defined, instead, but keep the explanation? 🙏
 
Here is Pennywise's current justification. It does not seem reliable. 🙏

Regeneration (High-Godly; Every magical entity within the Dark Tower possesses an infinite capacity for self-renewal.
Is that it? Seems substanceless so the ability is had through the inverse/supplementary notion. Since Gan in his “Final Other” key holds everything in his mind, it can't apply to him in that state. Although, the power should be more applicable to the Gan “Dark Tower” key as coming back from a major aspect of his being removed.

So what exactly is he reneging from @Jason_Voorhees1986 @Gewsbumpz_dude
 
Perhaps we should place it as "Unknown" due to being diffusely defined, instead, but keep the explanation? 🙏
Okay, but let's wait for Gewsbumpz_dude to respond because he's the one who updated the old profile. And I remove it from all except gan, because it is explicitly stated that gan has infinite regeneration.
 
Well for High-Godly, they should have the Aspect of what they can have erased and still come back. Whether its Narrative, Fate, Conceptual, Informational, etc.
 
We still need to figure out what regeneration levels we should give Gan, Pennywise, and the others. 🙏
 
We still need to figure out what regeneration levels we should give Gan, Pennywise, and the others. 🙏
I've already removed the regeneration feature from the others. For Gan, this is good:
Regeneration (High-Godly; Body; The Dark Tower resisted Maerlyn's attack and after some time returned to its former state. It was then clearly stated that Gan had the power of infinite regeneration.)

For pennywise:

Regeneration (High-Godly -Body and mind; Despite being destroyed in the Second War of ChĂĽd, the Deadlights are shown to still exist in the novel The Insomnia.)
 
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High-Godly for "Body" and "Mind" just can not happen. That would be at most Mid-Godly cus of Mind


And the "Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient" stuff for Gan should be removed
 
Wouldn't it be better to cover regeneration in another CRT so we can get this one wrapped up? It seems to be the only thing holding this back from being fully accepted.
 
Well, the problems are that the inaccurate regeneration values and omnipotence should be removed, and possibly omniscience and omnipresence as well, but that is more uncertain. 🙏
 
How does this look?

For Gan:
Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Body; The Dark Tower resisted Maerlyn's attack and after some time returned to its former state. It was then clearly stated that Gan had the power of infinite regeneration.)

For Pennywise:
Regeneration (Mid-Godly -Body and mind; Despite being destroyed in the Second War of ChĂĽd, the Deadlights are shown to still exist in the novel The Insomnia.)
This is wrong tho, as far as I'm aware there can't be "modifiers" for Mid-Godly. It's being able to come back from getting your body, soul and mind destroyed.

Did something like this happened in verse? If so, can you provide scans? Because the scan about Gan is frankly very weak, it could just as well be Mid-Low or something like that.
The scan regarding Pennywise just says that "The light was gone now. It had died with the Spider", where is it stated that Pennywise's body, soul and mind were destroyed/erased?
 
First off, don't nuke the verse. Saw one person say that. Don't do that shit, the profiles can just be salvaged. At least don't nuke it for the sake of people like me who put a shitton of work into it before all of this started.

Secondly, High-Godly Regeneration isn't impossible. As pointed out already, the Deadlights arguably died and seemed to have vanished after the Ritual of Chud, and it has been established that the Deadlights are effectively its Ka, which encompasses one's destiny and I guess you can equate that to having your history being erased/destroyed, which is a way to obtain High-Godly. The big problem with this argument is that it is reliant on the limited perspective of a human down on Earth, so this could also be interpreted as the Deadlights simply disconnecting themselves from the avatar without the Deadlights dying at all. Which is the interpretation that I side with personally nowadays.
 
The scan regarding Pennywise just says that "The light was gone now. It had died with the Spider", where is it stated that Pennywise's body, soul and mind were destroyed/erased?
By light he means Deadlights, Pennywise's true form. The spider is his avatar in the physical world. But I can't prove it to you directly because chapter 22 is quite long. However, in the mentioned place, Pennywise is destroyed and they do this thanks to the power of ChĂĽd (a power ritual equivalent to High 1-A) However, in the novel The Insomnia, which tells the chronological story of what happened after this event, it is revealed that the Deadlights were not destroyed. This does not directly indicate that he was regenerated, but he did survive the first ChĂĽd ritual. Therefore, logically, it must have returned in the second ritual, renewed like the first ritual.
 
First off, don't nuke the verse. Saw one person say that. Don't do that shit, the profiles can just be salvaged. At least don't nuke it for the sake of people like me who put a shitton of work into it before all of this started.
I haven't heard anything about the universe being erased, who says that?
 
By light he means Deadlights, Pennywise's true form. The spider is his avatar in the physical world. But I can't prove it to you directly because chapter 22 is quite long. However, in the mentioned place, Pennywise is destroyed and they do this thanks to the power of ChĂĽd (a power ritual equivalent to High 1-A) However, in the novel The Insomnia, which tells the chronological story of what happened after this event, it is revealed that the Deadlights were not destroyed. This does not directly indicate that he was regenerated, but he did survive the first ChĂĽd ritual. Therefore, logically, it must have returned in the second ritual, renewed like the first ritual.
You don't understand, do you have any proof he was erased/killed in body, soul and mind?
 
You don't understand, do you have any proof he was erased/killed in body, soul and mind?
This situation can be explained as follows: The so-called Deadlights are a living world and it is called Pennywise's mind.And the panel clearly says that the light died with the spider.
The light was gone now. It had died with the Spider. He fumbled in the pocket of his matted shirt for the last book of matches. They were there, but they wouldn't light; the heads were soaked with blood.
Now the mind of the writer's wife was with It, in It, beyond the end of the macroverse; in the darkness beyond the Turtle; in the outlands beyond all lands.
She was in Its eye; she was in Its mind.
She was in the deadlights.
 
This is not my fault. Someone else edited the source.
Do you mean that Imgur deleted many of the images that you uploaded there as evidence? There are ways to more reliably ensure that they remain accessible there. 🙏
 
This situation can be explained as follows: The so-called Deadlights are a living world and it is called Pennywise's mind.And the panel clearly says that the light died with the spider.
I don't think they're mutually exclusive. Wouldn't the “spider” dying refer to his lesser form? If that were the case then the Deadlights were just there connecting from the True Form to the Avatar. So insofar as “IT” exists still even losing physically to the Loser’s Club then why would that apply to the True Form?
 
  • Bessa
    • Can't be HDE & BDE, also BDE needs a Type.
    • Immortality Scans aren't making sense.
    • A lot of abilities have no reasoning.
  • Gan
    • Same issues of HDE & BDE.
    • NEP doesn't make sense.
    • Incoporeality scans make no sense.
    • Immortality Type 3 is the only thing I see.
    • Nonduality scans don't match reasoning.
    • No such thing has High-Level Plot Manip or Reality Warping.
    • Causality Manipulation not matching scans.
    • Acausality Type 5 has too many anti-feats, Gan has been injuried before.
    • Infinite Regeneration tells us nothing of it's degree.
    • Healing missing references and scans.
    • Improper separation of stats.
  • Maturin
    • NEP, Nonduality & Regeneration have same issues as above.
    • Plot Manipulation Resistance is in the middle of abilities, same with Fate.
    • Acausality Type 5 has anti-feats.
I'm not going to keep going. There are too many issues with these profiles, and they need to be heavily edited.
 
  • Bessa
    • Can't be HDE & BDE, also BDE needs a Type.
    • Immortality Scans aren't making sense.
    • A lot of abilities have no reasoning.
  • Gan
    • Same issues of HDE & BDE.
    • NEP doesn't make sense.
    • Incoporeality scans make no sense.
    • Immortality Type 3 is the only thing I see.
    • Nonduality scans don't match reasoning.
    • No such thing has High-Level Plot Manip or Reality Warping.
    • Causality Manipulation not matching scans.
    • Acausality Type 5 has too many anti-feats, Gan has been injuried before.
    • Infinite Regeneration tells us nothing of it's degree.
    • Healing missing references and scans.
    • Improper separation of stats.
  • Maturin
    • NEP, Nonduality & Regeneration have same issues as above.
    • Plot Manipulation Resistance is in the middle of abilities, same with Fate.
    • Acausality Type 5 has anti-feats.
I'm not going to keep going. There are too many issues with these profiles, and they need to be heavily edited.
Bessa
  • The BDE part needs to be corrected. I must have forgotten to add the type.
  • I’ll probably make it Type 1, since I already removed the regeneration from Bessa’s profile.
Gan
  • It’s manageable.
  • Why? I asked you this before and you said NEP 1, but the reason I gave NEP 2 is entirely based on TD.
  • Why was Type 9 immortality removed? It represents the highest threshold among ontologies.
  • This had been accepted on the wiki before (although I wasn’t the one who opened that CRT), but the whole TD3 issue comes from it massively surpassing TD2.
  • I’ll probably add a few more panels there; it seems to be something I left unfinished.
  • It actually matches — I was just stupid and included the images that should’ve been in the first scan in the second one instead.
  • ACA 5 has no anti-feats. The event you mentioned applies to Gan’s avatar — his true form was never harmed.
  • We’re already discussing this topic right now.
Maturin
  • I already brought up these points when talking about Gan. But regeneration is already being debated in this CRT anyway.
  • What?
  • What kind of anti-feat are you referring to for ACA 5?
 
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