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Star Wars Discussion Thread Canon/Legends- Episode VI Return of the Threadi

Question:
Din Djarin (and Din Grogu to some extent), Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Paz Vizla, Bo-Katan Kryze and Tarre Vizla would be influenced by the same descriptions of the Berkar'gam (the armor they use).
May I make as a part of my Mandalorian-focused revision a page for Beskar as a material and Beskar'gam so that they use it instead of they copy-pasting it to one another?
 
It kinda pisses me off with how many feats Lego Star Wars gets. Rey fighting Darth Vader would look great on her profile but of course Lego Rey hasn't been updated since Force Awakens.
 
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noninho said:
Question:
Din Djarin (and Din Grogu to some extent), Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Paz Vizla, Bo-Katan Kryze and Tarre Vizla would be influenced by the same descriptions of the Berkar'gam (the armor they use).
May I make as a part of my Mandalorian-focused revision a page for Beskar as a material and Beskar'gam so that they use it instead of they copy-pasting it to one another?
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Epyriel said:
Yes, I am mostly referring to the Yarael Poof thing which 95% of the Legends characters are scaled off of despite it being full of holes as well as being a gigantic outlier.

And then like the other 5% of profiles are scaled to Solar System level from Wutzek (which no mortal should scale to) and Naga Sadow (who only reaches that level with a godly amp from a gigantic setup of Sith Magic Crystals that no base mortals should scale to).
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Is this level too much? What would be the ideal tier of Legends characters for you?

Because it would end up being very funny if the Canon average AP/Speed ended up being higher than the Legends.

Of course, if I could get someone to calculate Vader's feat on Mustafar and again... Vader reacting and changing the course of a ship during hyperspace.

Doggo said:
I think it's better to name it "Dark side users" to include non-Sith characters like Ventress and the Inquisitors
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I already know a category that I can make to perfectly include Ben and Asajj Ventress. I think I can simply call it Sith acolyte.

I just don't know if I'll add it later or do it now.

Because it's really annoying to have to ask the staff to reconfirm their votes.

But I think it'll be in a new CRT, I'm already planning to do it because of this book.

It'll be a CRT focused on the dark side/Siths.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Is this level too much? What would be the ideal tier of Legends characters for you?

Because it would end up being very funny if the Canon average AP/Speed ended up being higher than the Legends.

Of course, if I could get someone to calculate Vader's feat on Mustafar and again... Vader reacting and changing the course of a ship during hyperspace.
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Mortal high tiers should be around City - Mountain level.

Mortal top tiers (Luke, Vitiate, Sidious, Nihilus, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Sarasu Taalon, Darish Vol) should be Multi-Continent level in base, although many characters can reach far higher through rituals and amps.

Pretty much everyone is FTL.
 
Epyriel said:
Mortal high tiers should be around City - Mountain level.

Mortal top tiers (Luke, Vitiate, Sidious, Nihilus, Exar Kun, Marka Ragnos, Sarasu Taalon, Darish Vol) should be Multi-Continent level in base, although many characters can reach far higher through rituals and amps.

Pretty much everyone is FTL.
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Do you know what the canon combat speed scaling chain is? I wanted to bring up Vader's feat reacting to hyperspace in the next CRT but I don't know how to apply it.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
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Phsccarvalho said:
Because it would end up being very funny if the Canon average AP/Speed ended up being higher than the Legends.

Of course, if I could get someone to calculate Vader's feat on Mustafar and again... Vader reacting and changing the course of a ship during hyperspace.
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It should be noted that the Mustafar earthquake was done as the result of an extensive ritual setup using the Mustafar vergence (so it wouldn’t scale to anyone in base).

Phsccarvalho said:
Do you know what the canon combat speed scaling chain is? I wanted to bring up Vader's feat reacting to hyperspace in the next CRT but I don't know how to apply it.
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As far as I’m aware pretty much everyone is just MHS+ off of Force Lightning currently.
 
Epyriel said:
It should be noted that the Mustafar earthquake was done as the result of an extensive ritual setup using the Mustafar vergence (so it wouldn’t scale to anyone in base).
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Epyriel said:
As far as I’m aware pretty much everyone is just MHS+ off of Force Lightning currently.
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And Vader's feat of reacting to hyperspace, do you think it's valid?

noninho said:
Question:
Din Djarin (and Din Grogu to some extent), Jango Fett, Boba Fett, Paz Vizla, Bo-Katan Kryze and Tarre Vizla would be influenced by the same descriptions of the Berkar'gam (the armor they use).
May I make as a part of my Mandalorian-focused revision a page for Beskar as a material and Beskar'gam so that they use it instead of they copy-pasting it to one another?
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There is this book here. But finding books 2 and 3 of the Secrets trilogy is almost impossible.

I'm looking for this one for the Sith crt but I could only find single page scans scattered around.
 
How to upload picture without using imgur?
I think I found the relativistic+ or FTL movement speed feat for Mace Windu in star wars tales issue 13
 
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I found this, what do you think?
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The asteroid feat has been debated before due to the lack of motion lines indicating if they were already moving, and based off of the durability of the starfighter it damaged is more likely to place in the City Block range.

The mountain lifting re-calc is debatable due to the difference between using the earthquake end and simple change in GPE, although perhaps more pressingly the feat was only made possible by Yoda attuning to the living stone and the planet itself using a particular technique which kind of impies he couldn’t accomplish it using his regular telekinesis.
 
Epyriel said:
The asteroid feat has been debated before due to the lack of motion lines indicating if they were already moving, and based off of the durability of the starfighter it damaged is more likely to place in the City Block range.

The mountain lifting re-calc is debatable due to the difference between using the earthquake end and simple change in GPE, although perhaps more pressingly the feat was only made possible by Yoda attuning to the living stone and the planet itself using a particular technique which kind of impies he couldn’t accomplish it using his regular telekinesis.
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Too bad, it seems like the canon won't get any further than it is now.

Anyway, the next canon crt is already done in a sandbox.
 
Epyriel said:
The asteroid feat has been debated before due to the lack of motion lines indicating if they were already moving, and based off of the durability of the starfighter it damaged is more likely to place in the City Block range.

The mountain lifting re-calc is debatable due to the difference between using the earthquake end and simple change in GPE, although perhaps more pressingly the feat was only made possible by Yoda attuning to the living stone and the planet itself using a particular technique which kind of impies he couldn’t accomplish it using his regular telekinesis.
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Would any of these feats be greater than 8-A?

Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Has anyone here played Star Wars: Outlaws?
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I am not.
 
How strong is Obi-wan really through the prequel trilogy?

I know he defeated Anakin in an incredibly close and even fight, defeated Maul, Grevious, etc, but I don't know the full scope of those feats. I'm a novice at Star Wars scaling, don't know much beyond the obvious.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
How strong is Obi-wan really through the prequel trilogy?

I know he defeated Anakin in an incredibly close and even fight, defeated Maul, Grevious, etc, but I don't know the full scope of those feats. I'm a novice at Star Wars scaling, don't know much beyond the obvious.
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Well, our profiles for Jedi are kind of misleading.

The physical AP of an individual Jedi comes from a combination of 3 different sources:

1. Lightsabers in general have a cutting power of 8-A, since they can slice through stuff like the extremely-armored plating of an AT-AT.

2. The Jedi’s raw strength. Obviously, 8-A cutting power is going to be more and more useful the harder they can swing it.

3. How high they can augment themselves with the Force.

Obi-Wan himself is among the top of the verse in these, putting him very high into 8-A.
 
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Well, our profiles for Jedi are kind of misleading.

The physical AP of an individual Jedi comes from a combination of 3 different sources:

1. Lightsabers in general have a cutting power of 8-A, since they can slice through stuff like the extremely-armored plating of an AT-AT.

2. The Jedi’s raw strength. Obviously, 8-A cutting power is going to be more and more useful the harder they can swing it.

3. How high they can augment themselves with the Force.

Obi-Wan himself is among the top of the verse in these, putting him very high into 8-A.
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Gotcha. I was more referring to where he scales among everyone.

Does he actually scale to RoTS Anakin, etc? I'm talking more from a strictly in universe perspective, as in where does he rank among the Jedi Council.
 
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I've heard Star Wars is a super context dependent verse to scale with the 'x was conflicted at the time' and 'a saber form counters b saber form' and what not.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Gotcha. I was more referring to where he scales among everyone.

Does he actually scale to RoTS Anakin, etc? I'm talking more from a strictly in universe perspective, as in where does he rank among the Jedi Council.
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He does. He actually (somehow) overpowers Darth Vader in the Force in the Kenobi series.


Also no lightsaber form strictly counters one another (enough for it to be a major issue), other than Mace Windu's style countering how Sith fight.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Does he actually scale to RoTS Anakin, etc?
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Depends on the continuity.

In Legends I’d say yes (a hotly contested opinion) I’m less familiar with Canon but a good case for it is made here.

The context of the Mustafar fight goes as following:

- Saber Forms: Kenobi uses Soresu (Form 3) which excels at defence while Anakin uses Djem So (Form V) which focuses on offense, which is why you see Kenobi retreating and playing defensively most of the fight while Anakin is very aggressive. As they are both using their forms to their intended purpose this doesn’t give either any innate advantage.

- Familiarity: Obi-Wan and Anakin both knew each other’s moves by heart thanks to years of training together, which is why none of their duelling tricks works on each other and it bogs down into a fight of raw skill and power.

- Conflict: This is the main one. Both are conflicted as they are trying to kill someone they considered a friend and brother days ago. In Legends Kenobi’s conflict is emphasized several times, and as long as he remained hesistant the battle dragged on in a stalemate. Near the end of the fight he finally lets go of his attachement for Anakin and lets “the living Force move him” and allows him to outmaneuver Anakin for victory.

- Rage: In Legends Anakin is also depicted as enraged the entire fight, which has the context of a significant amp as seen with the duel with Dooku as described in the ROTS senior novel.
 
Epyriel said:
Depends on the continuity.

In Legends I’d say yes (a hotly contested opinion) I’m less familiar with Canon but a good case for it is made here.

The context of the Mustafar fight goes as following:

- Saber Forms: Kenobi uses Soresu (Form 3) which excels at defence while Anakin uses Djem So (Form V) which focuses on offense, which is why you see Kenobi retreating and playing defensively most of the fight while Anakin is very aggressive. As they are both using their forms to their intended purpose this doesn’t give either any innate advantage.

- Familiarity: Obi-Wan and Anakin both knew each other’s moves by heart thanks to years of training together, which is why none of their duelling tricks works on each other and it bogs down into a fight of raw skill and power.

- Conflict: This is the main one. Both are conflicted as they are trying to kill someone they considered a friend and brother days ago. In Legends Kenobi’s conflict is emphasized several times, and as long as he remained hesistant the battle dragged on in a stalemate. Near the end of the fight he finally lets go of his attachement for Anakin and lets “the living Force move him” and allows him to outmaneuver Anakin for victory.

- Rage: In Legends Anakin is also depicted as enraged the entire fight, which has the context of a significant amp as seen with the duel with Dooku as described in the ROTS senior novel.
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Obi-Wan would still scale to him even if he was weaker. It is a question of whether Obi-Wan is stronger, though.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
How strong is Obi-wan really through the prequel trilogy?

I know he defeated Anakin in an incredibly close and even fight, defeated Maul, Grevious, etc, but I don't know the full scope of those feats. I'm a novice at Star Wars scaling, don't know much beyond the obvious.
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
Gotcha. I was more referring to where he scales among everyone.

Does he actually scale to RoTS Anakin, etc? I'm talking more from a strictly in universe perspective, as in where does he rank among the Jedi Council.
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My scaling chain for Legends would be:

Pre-O66 Yoda > Post-O66 Sidious >= Post-O66 Yoda > Mace Windu > Pre-O66 Sidious > Mother Talzin > Fay > Prime Kenobi > Knightfall Vader > Dooku > Plo Koon > Cin Drallig > TCW Darth Maul > Asajj Ventress > Grievous > Kit Fisto > Shaak Ti > Savage Opress > Ki-Adi-Mundi > everyone else
 
Epyriel said:
My scaling chain for Legends would be:

Pre-O66 Yoda > Post-O66 Sidious >= Post-O66 Yoda > Mace Windu > Pre-O66 Sidious > Mother Talzin > Fay > Prime Kenobi > Knightfall Vader > Dooku > Plo Koon > Cin Drallig > TCW Darth Maul > Asajj Ventress > Grievous > Kit Fisto > Shaak Ti > Savage Opress > Ki-Adi-Mundi > everyone else
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Pretty interesting chain
 
Epyriel said:
My scaling chain for Legends would be:

Pre-O66 Yoda > Post-O66 Sidious >= Post-O66 Yoda > Mace Windu > Pre-O66 Sidious > Mother Talzin > Fay > Prime Kenobi > Knightfall Vader > Dooku > Plo Koon > Cin Drallig > TCW Darth Maul > Asajj Ventress > Grievous > Kit Fisto > Shaak Ti > Savage Opress > Ki-Adi-Mundi > everyone else
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Had no idea there was an argument for not old man Obi-wan over Dooku. Based
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
So how did you guys reconcile Obi-wan somehow straight up beating Vader in the Kenobi TV show lol
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Rule of Cool? I mean, Obi-Wan was heavily implied to no longer be holding back and considered Anakin truly gone.

If you wanna get REALLY crazy, Post-RoS Rey in the Lego Star Wars Holiday Special fought even with Darth Vader for a while, though she did eventually lose.
 
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Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera said:
Rule of Cool? I mean, Obi-Wan was heavily implied to no longer be holding back and considered Anakin truly gone.
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Sam Witwer said Obi-wan has a sort of A game state where he basically locks tf and becomes goated with the sauce. And then I found out thats lowkey a real thing where he just gives himself to the force
 
Funnily enough, my favorite parts of Star Wars isn’t even the Jedi, it’s the worlds around them. That’s why pretty much my favorite character both normally and to debate with is Kay Vess from Star Wars: Outlaws. The closest she gets to a Force user is when she looked at Darth Vader once.
 
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