Villainous Upgrade

[ArthurBeyy]

I can continue the conversation on Discord if anyone still wants to talk separately

 

[Tank1418]

I said this for only one person, but no one has even debunked what I said.

He advised you many times to change your perspective and create a better thread, but you refused.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

He advised you many times to change your perspective and create a better thread, but you refused.

Everyone is very assertive but they can't even answer. I wrote you a dm. Is there a discord? Come over there and let's talk from there, apart from this crt.

 

[Tank1418]

NO

 

[ArthurBeyy]

HAYIR

Alright

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm not going to comment on the other stuff because frankly I dont care, however this is the part I'm trying to steer you towards. The evidence you  were using was highly questionable and on it's own proved functionality nothing. Using stuff like crossover integrity and future references are far better arguments since they dont require large leaps of logic.

The same is said for the aforementioned "reality destruction". Use additional examples, directly show things that help your argument, that's how you prove a point! With what you have currently there's little grounds to work on, especially for mods who might have less knowledge on the series than me who's vote matter a lot more.

If you are so ambitious, this is independent of crt. I will wait for you on dicord. You have ignored my answers long enough. Now pour it out and give me discord.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Against 2-A, others have already elaborated enough to say that this is far too vague. This isn't a "well technically the multiverse was destroyed" thing, they just cut the real-world broadcast.

I don't really know what to do with the 5-A thing since I can't really tell what it's trying to say and the linked video is a rather long episode of the show itself that I don't want to watch (nor would I understand it since, it's all in Spanish).

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Against 2-A, others have already elaborated enough to say that this is far too vague. This isn't a "well technically the multiverse was destroyed" thing, they just cut the real-world broadcast.

I don't really know what to do with the 5-A thing since I can't really tell what it's trying to say and the linked video is a rather long episode of the show itself that I don't want to watch (nor would I understand it since, it's all in Spanish).

About 2A;
While I understand the interpretation that this is simply a real-world broadcast cut, I’d argue the context within Villainous treats the multiversal broadcast system as an in-universe, canonical construct — not just a metafictional joke. The destruction isn’t framed as a standard TV cut, but as a forceful overwrite of a narrative space that exists within the logic of Villainous’s cosmology. That doesn't necessarily imply full multiverse destruction, but it does suggest metafictional removal across an interconnected narrative web.

I’m willing to revise the proposal from literal "2-A cosmological destruction" to a metafiction-based overwrite affecting a multiversal storytelling structure — consistent with how Villainous handles fourth-wall/meta interactions.

About 5A:
timestamp 10:28 I should have mentioned that sorry  in Engilish*

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I'm not calling it a joke, I'm saying that cutting the broadcast wouldn't strictly mean the erasure of the verse.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm not calling it a joke, I'm saying that cutting the broadcast wouldn't strictly mean the erasure of the verse.

While I understand and respect that interpretation, I'd like to clarify that the broadcast cut isn't being treated as direct, literal cosmological destruction. Rather, it's framed as a metafictional overwrite — a narrative-level action that aligns with how Villainous presents its cosmology through orientation videos and fourth-wall interaction.

It’s not about raw AP or traditional verse destruction, but about how characters like Flug and Black Hat operate on a meta-layer that directly influences and negates other fictional frameworks within the show’s logic. I’m happy to adjust the proposal wording if necessary to narrative concept.

Also what do you think about 5A and Mftl+ I have stated the timestamp

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I still have difficulty discerning what I'm supposed to get from that clip, so let me try to explain what I think it is you want, you tell me if I'm right or wrong:

Villainous had some sort of on-screen gag with this character, Lord Boxman, from O.K. K.O., Let's Be Heroes!, in which he was threatened and afraid of this other character, the Hatbot Sentinel.

However. He himself is only 9-C, and Average Human speed. Nothing indicates scaling to Boxman's technology there. So if this is the argument, it lacks in a lot of ways.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I still have difficulty discerning what I'm supposed to get from that clip, so let me try to explain what I think it is you want, you tell me if I'm right or wrong:

Villainous had some sort of on-screen gag with this character, Lord Boxman, from O.K. K.O., Let's Be Heroes!, in which he was threatened and afraid of this other character, the Hatbot Sentinel.

However. He himself is only 9-C, and Average Human speed. Nothing indicates scaling to Boxman's technology there. So if this is the argument, it lacks in a lot of ways.

About 5A and mftl+:

The scene isn’t about scaling Lord Boxman directly to Hatbot Sentinel via his own stats (which are indeed 9-C), but rather using Boxman as a narrative benchmark. In the context of OK K.O., Boxman is portrayed as a major tech-based villain with access to high-tier robotics and weaponry, often trading blows with characters far beyond 9-C.

The fact that Boxman immediately panics at the sight of the Hatbot — despite being familiar with cosmic- or high-tier threats in his own show — is used to contextualize the Hatbot’s placement. It suggests narrative superiority, not stat equivalence. The goal is to show how Villainous tech is perceived across verses, especially when the crossover itself implies shared narrative space and continuity.

About 2A:

Let me clarify what the 2-A argument is actually saying, as I think there may be a misunderstanding.

We're not claiming that the scene shows a literal physical destruction of a multiverse in the conventional cosmological sense.

What is happening — within the context of Villainous — is a metafictional overwrite. The show itself establishes that Black Hat and his organization exist outside the narratives of various cartoon universes, and actively interfere with or manipulate them through broadcast-level control, as explained in the orientation videos and other materials.

In this scene, Dr. Flug doesn't just "interrupt" a broadcast, he also directly deletes a broadcast that spans multiple realities from the system. Because in the Villainous universe, broadcast shows = are treated as reality. Interfering with the broadcast = means interfering with existence.

If you like, I am prepared to rephrase this statement as “metafictional narrative erasure of a universal construct.”

 

[ArthurBeyy]

why are you against it? I gave you the necessary explanations and also the admins are important to me.

Hey @Firestorm808 , sorry to bother — just wondering if you had any further thoughts on the thread when you have time. No rush, of course and I wrote an article regarding your last reply to the topic.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

About 5A and mftl+:

The scene isn’t about scaling Lord Boxman directly to Hatbot Sentinel via his own stats (which are indeed 9-C), but rather using Boxman as a narrative benchmark. In the context of OK K.O., Boxman is portrayed as a major tech-based villain with access to high-tier robotics and weaponry, often trading blows with characters far beyond 9-C.

The fact that Boxman immediately panics at the sight of the Hatbot — despite being familiar with cosmic- or high-tier threats in his own show — is used to contextualize the Hatbot’s placement. It suggests narrative superiority, not stat equivalence. The goal is to show how Villainous tech is perceived across verses, especially when the crossover itself implies shared narrative space and continuity.

About 2A:

Let me clarify what the 2-A argument is actually saying, as I think there may be a misunderstanding.

We're not claiming that the scene shows a literal physical destruction of a multiverse in the conventional cosmological sense.

What is happening — within the context of Villainous — is a metafictional overwrite. The show itself establishes that Black Hat and his organization exist outside the narratives of various cartoon universes, and actively interfere with or manipulate them through broadcast-level control, as explained in the orientation videos and other materials.

In this scene, Dr. Flug doesn't just "interrupt" a broadcast, he also directly deletes a broadcast that spans multiple realities from the system. Because in the Villainous universe, broadcast shows = are treated as reality. Interfering with the broadcast = means interfering with existence.

If you like, I am prepared to rephrase this statement as “metafictional narrative erasure of a universal construct.”

@Mr. Bambu Sorry for the inconvenience but I await your reply.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

@Mr. Bambu Sorry for the inconvenience but I await your reply.

I mean. The 5-A part of your CRT comes down to how generous you want to be in your interpretation of the scene- do we assume that because Lord Hatbox is threatened that he is powerless even without technology that isn't present? I think not, you think so. Still, I vote no.

The 2-A thing just straight up isn't 2-A.

I do wonder how canon these crossovers actually are, for the record, but I don't really think it is important to examine that for this CRT. My vote is no.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

There are author approvals but you know what I mean, thanks anyway.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

bumpx2

 

[FinePoint]

I don't think this is really 2-A. It's very vague what exactly happens there. Just cutting off a broadcast could mean a lot of things, and more likely is just some form of hax or influence.

As for 5-A, I don't speak Spanish, could I get a timestamp at least?

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I don't think this is really 2-A. It's very vague what exactly happens there. Just cutting off a broadcast could mean a lot of things, and more likely is just some form of hax or influence.

As for 5-A, I don't speak Spanish, could I get a timestamp at least?

It is at 10:33. There is an English language option from the YouTube automatic translation feature. I also explained why it is 2A in many ways. You can actually read the crt comments.

 

[FinePoint]

It is at 10:33. There is an English language option from the YouTube automatic translation feature. I also explained why it is 2A in many ways. You can actually read the crt comments.

So the character he's chasing is 5-A, and you want to scale him to 5-A as a result of them being scared of him?

 

[ArthurBeyy]

So the character he's chasing is 5-A, and you want to scale him to 5-A as a result of them being scared of him?

Thank you for the clarification. The argument is not based just on fear, but on contextual hierarchy and implied threat level within a shared multiversal framework.The Hatbot Sentinel, who is associated with Black Hat's organization, appears in the crossover with Lord Boxman a character who has access to 5-A tech in his own series, OKKO What matters is that the narrative positions the Hatbot as a threat Boxman is actively trying to avoid, and that threat is treated seriously within the context of the scene.Both authors confirmed this, it should be completely canon and also mftl+

 

[FinePoint]

Thank you for the clarification. The argument is not based just on fear, but on contextual hierarchy and implied threat level within a shared multiversal framework.The Hatbot Sentinel, who is associated with Black Hat's organization, appears in the crossover with Lord Boxman a character who has access to 5-A tech in his own series, OKKO What matters is that the narrative positions the Hatbot as a threat Boxman is actively trying to avoid, and that threat is treated seriously within the context of the scene.Both authors confirmed this, it should be completely canon and also mftl+

Isn't Black Hat himself like Low 1-C or something, and very evil?

I'd imagine that's good enough reason to be scared of anything associated with him.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

Isn't Black Hat himself like Low 1-C or something, and very evil?

I'd imagine that's good enough reason to be scared of anything associated with him.

Black hat is not that high right now but if you agree with 5A Mftl+, thank you, we can talk about 2A if you want.

 

[FinePoint]

Black hat is not that high right now but if you agree with 5A Mftl+, thank you, we can talk about 2A if you want.

No, I'm saying I don't agree with the 5-A because they have so many other reasons to be scared of Black Hat and anything he creates, so I don't think them being threatened is enough justification.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

No, I'm saying I don't agree with the 5-A because they have so many other reasons to be scared of Black Hat and anything he creates, so I don't think them being threatened is enough justification.

I understand your concern, but the fear here isn’t isolated it’s contextual. Boxman’s immediate reaction is retreat, and he treats the Hatbot as a superior threat. When a character who operates 5-A tech sees another as too dangerous to engage, it suggests a perceived power gap. It’s not the fear alone, but how the narrative frames that fear as legitimate within a shared multiversal hierarchy.Black Hat and his position are above him, Lord Boxman is already working for them.

Shall we continue to discuss or will crt be deleted with you? 1 admin rejected To be honest, I did not think that the first crt would be like this and I got negative results.

 

[FinePoint]

I understand your concern, but the fear here isn’t isolated it’s contextual. Boxman’s immediate reaction is retreat, and he treats the Hatbot as a superior threat. When a character who operates 5-A tech sees another as too dangerous to engage, it suggests a perceived power gap. It’s not the fear alone, but how the narrative frames that fear as legitimate within a shared multiversal hierarchy.Black Hat and his position are above him, Lord Boxman is already working for them.

Shall we continue to discuss or will crt be deleted with you? 1 admin rejected To be honest, I did not think that the first crt would be like this and I got negative results.

I'm not a fan by any means, but Black Hat's own employees being scared of him is very consistent from what I know of the verse.

If this bot is made by Black Hat, it stands to reason that being caught by it is a scary prospect- it's possible they don't even know their exact strength.

It's simply too vague for me, my apologies.

I'd maybe be okay with a "Possibly".

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm not a fan by any means, but Black Hat's own employees being scared of him is very consistent from what I know of the verse.

If this bot is made by Black Hat, it stands to reason that being caught by it is a scary prospect- it's possible they don't even know their exact strength.

It's simply too vague for me, my apologies.

I'd maybe be okay with a "Possibly".

That's totally fair, and I appreciate the nuance. A "Possibly 5-A" rating would still work as a compromise, especially since the reaction comes from a character who's familiar with high-tier tech and threat levels across universes. The bot’s presence isn’t just intimidating it immediately causes panic in a normally composed villain. That kind of narrative framing is at least worth a tentative rating.

If you do not accept, 2 admins have rejected it. Will the crt be deleted? You did not answer.

 

[FinePoint]

That's totally fair, and I appreciate the nuance. A "Possibly 5-A" rating would still work as a compromise, especially since the reaction comes from a character who's familiar with high-tier tech and threat levels across universes. The bot’s presence isn’t just intimidating it immediately causes panic in a normally composed villain. That kind of narrative framing is at least worth a tentative rating.

If you do not accept, 2 admins have rejected it. Will the crt be deleted? You did not answer.

The CRT will not be deleted whether we accept it or not.

As for the others, we should ask them if they're also okay with the "Possibly 5-A" as a compromise.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm not a fan by any means, but Black Hat's own employees being scared of him is very consistent from what I know of the verse.

If this bot is made by Black Hat, it stands to reason that being caught by it is a scary prospect- it's possible they don't even know their exact strength.

It's simply too vague for me, my apologies.

I'd maybe be okay with a "Possibly".

Damn these things made my hair turn white but I can compromise

 

[ArthurBeyy]

bumpx3

 

[RigelBR7]

I'm obviously going to vote Neutral on the 2-A part, for the reasons given above by Dectetive_Blizzard, but I agree with the other part of 5-A and MFTL+.

 

[RigelBR7]

Idk if this would fly before, but since Villainous is cutting ties with Cartoon Network and WB as a whole, it’s doubtful that anything like this would be considered “canon” anymore due to copyright and legal limitations, at least with the 2-A thing.

These claims are probably false... Where did you read that?

 

[ArthurBeyy]

I'm obviously going to vote Neutral on the 2-A part, for the reasons given above by Dectetive_Blizzard, but I agree with the other part of 5-A and MFTL+.

Thank you and welcome to crt

 

[RigelBR7]

From what I understand, regardless of whether AP 2-A level is accepted or not, KND Cosmology is still 2-A in the shared cosmology? Or are you denying both?

 

[ArthurBeyy]

From what I understand, regardless of whether AP 2-A level is accepted or not, KND Cosmology is still 2-A in the shared cosmology? Or are you denying both?

Yes, you understood correctly. The KND cosmology is still considered 2-A within the shared cosmology. The main debate is about whether characters like Black Hat or Flug can scale to or affect it not about denying the 2-A status of KND itself.

 

[ArthurBeyy]

bumpx4

 

[Tank1418]

The main debate is about whether characters like Black Hat or Flug can scale to or affect

He can , This member has evidence

 

[ArthurBeyy]

He can , This member has evidence

I don't know, I don't think he will look at crt positively.

 

[Tank1418]

I don't know, I don't think he will look at crt positively.

think - or think +, it doesn't matter. I think it will take a while before he organizes the content, interprets it, and creates the Thread cosmology upgrade. You just have to CHILL.

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

Against 2-A, others have already elaborated enough to say that this is far too vague. This isn't a "well technically the multiverse was destroyed" thing, they just cut the real-world broadcast.

Bambu make sense here so i am heavily disagree with this one,after some works i will look at the 5-A / MFTL+ feat too