Can this be a higher values Dual system?

[Rakih_Elyan]

And then, a rumbling sound echoed through the void, as if some invisible force was operating in the depths of nothingness. In the depths of the darkness, layers upon layers of light ignited, transforming into massive gears that interlocked and rotated in the abyss of the void, resembling one Reincarnation nested within another.
Each turn of a gear would drive the rotation of countless others, and this interconnected cycle of Reincarnation was the embodiment of causality.
Reversing the yin and yang of time and space, the eternal cycle of reincarnation without end, neither born nor destroyed, neither tainted nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing.

The cycle of the strong devouring the weak, the weak consuming the minute, and the minute preying on the strong-this is Reincarnation, order, and reason. But it cannot move forward.

The cycle of reincarnation, as an order, is naturally stable.

In the distant past, a time much further than the history of civilization, there was no difference between the skies and the earth.

Neither was there death nor life, light nor darkness-cold and warmth intertwined, Order and Chaos fused.

If one were to say that the nothingness before the birth of the Multiverse was a ‘balance’ developed by ‘eternal pause', an ocean of heat energy after the Heat Death, never changing, without order and yet balanced

"The normal True Spirit of the Multiverse, after being born in the still abyss, will become the will of the great universe at the multiverse level. He can overlook the past and future of the entire multiverse and decide the direction of the present - generally speaking, no matter how evil, terrifying, or indescribable the world will is, He will adhere to the principle of [existence and continuation], so that life and civilization can sprout, because He himself is the movement born from the extreme silence, the soul condensed from endless spiritual energy, the unity of yin and yang, the Taiji of movement and stillness, the boundary of existence and non-existence, and the ultimate truth of the final philosophy."

Classic Chinamen stuffs I guess.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

None of that was duality according to VSBW standards. Only existence and non-existence meet the criteria, since in VSBW, only logical negations count as duality.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

None of that was duality according to VSBW standards. Only existence and non-existence meet the criteria, since in VSBW, only logical negations count as duality.

Logical negation is already a part of the multiversal duality; the scans above are just supporting scans.

Beings that have the Aspect of Absolution, have become Initial Flames formed from countless bits of information of both 'Existence', 'Non-Existence', and 'Ambiguity'

These are already accepted on the verse crt

The moving courtyard and the abyss themselves are the taiji of "Motion/not-stillness" and "Stillness/not-motion"

Su Zhou walked on the dark abyss. This abyss is death, ice and cold, darkness and chaos, nothingness and emptiness, freedom of everything, and destruction of everything.

The still abyss and the moving courtyard, in simple terms, are actually the "Taiji" of the "Taiyi" of the multiverse.

The moving courtyard is all "things in motion", and it is also the area where all beings live, that is, the multiverse area that everyone understands. Even for Torrents, their activity range generally does not exceed the moving courtyard, because they themselves are the infinite movement of overflow. But after all, they are Torrents, so going to the still abyss and going home is not much different.

And the still abyss, as the name suggests, is a stagnant, solidified, endless and dead abyss. Here, even the past and future of the multiverse can be clearly seen, and each scene is like a still picture, eventually sinking under the endless abyss and becoming a part of the darkness.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Logical negation is already a part of the multiversal duality; the scans above are just supporting scans.


These are already accepted on the verse crt

The moving courtyard and the abyss themselves are the taiji of "Motion/not-stillness" and "Stillness/not-motion"

I didn't see or find anything related to logical negation, just opposites. For something to be a logical negation, it should be called ‘death and not death,’ ‘motion and not motion,’ etc. which i didnt see in that scan

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I didn't see or find anything related to logical negation, just opposites. For something to be a logical negation, it should be called ‘death and not death,’ ‘motion and not motion,’ etc. which i didnt see in that scan

  靜淵與動庭，簡單來說，其實就是多元宇宙這一『太一』的『太極』。

  動庭，便是所有『運動之物』，也是萬物眾生所生活的區域，也即是所有人理解中的多元宇宙區域。即便是洪流，一般來說活動範圍也不會超過動庭，因為祂們自己就是無限的流溢之運動。但畢竟是洪流，去靜淵和回家也沒什麼區別。

  而靜淵，顧名思義，便是一個靜滯的，凝固的，無窮無盡的死寂深淵。在這裡，即便多元宇宙的過去未來都能清晰可見，每一幕都如同定格的畫面，最終沉寂在無窮無盡的淵面之下，化作黑暗的一部分。

The still abyss and the moving courtyard, in simple terms, are actually the "Taiji" of the "Taiyi" of the multiverse.

The moving courtyard is all "things in motion", and it is also the area where all beings live, that is, the multiverse area that everyone understands. Even for Torrents, their activity range generally does not exceed the moving courtyard, because they themselves are the infinite movement of overflow. But after all, they are Torrents, so going to the still abyss and going home is not much different.

And the still abyss, as the name suggests, is a stagnant, solidified, endless and dead abyss. Here, even the past and future of the multiverse can be clearly seen, and each scene is like a still picture, eventually sinking under the endless abyss and becoming a part of the darkness.

  如若說，正統，沒有走歪的黃昏眷屬，便是動庭中動之極致孕育出的靜，是火焰中的寂靜的漆黑，就像是恆星燃燒至極致後化作的黑洞。

  那麼這團靜淵中的火，便是靜之極致孕育出的動，是極致黑暗中孕育出的烈焰，就像是奇點沉寂無窮歲月後的爆發。

  也即是多元宇宙真靈。

If we say that the orthodox, non-deviant Twilight dependents are the quietness born from the extreme movement in the moving courtyard, the silent darkness in the flames, just like the black hole formed after a star burns to the extreme.

Then this fire in the still abyss is the movement born from the extreme stillness, the blazing fire born from the extreme darkness, just like the explosion of a singularity after countless years of silence.

It is also the True Spirit of the Multiverse.

"stillness" (静)
"Still Abyss" (静渊)

Chinese character 静 (jìng) means: Still, motionless

motion/movement (动) is born from the extreme of stillness (静之极致)

"就像是奇點沉寂無窮歲月後的爆發。" (the explosion of a singularity after countless years of silence/inactivity (沉寂 - chénjì))

The word 沉寂 (chénjì) means deep silence, stillness, inactivity.



And just basic logic really, Stillness = Motionless, Inactivity = non-activity

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

"stillness" (静)
"Still Abyss" (静渊)

Chinese character 静 (jìng) means: Still, motionless

motion/movement (动) is born from the extreme of stillness (静之极致)

"就像是奇點沉寂無窮歲月後的爆發。" (the explosion of a singularity after countless years of silence/inactivity (沉寂 - chénjì))

The word 沉寂 (chénjì) means deep silence, stillness, inactivity.



And just basic logic really, Stillness = Motionless, Inactivity = non-activity

I see. The Moving Courtyard represents everything in motion, while the Still Abyss is all things that are motionless. But that is still one duality. https://vsbattles.com/threads/castl...dlessly strict, it's just what the ability is.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I see. The Moving Courtyard represents everything in motion, while the Still Abyss is all things that are motionless. But that is still one duality. https://vsbattles.com/threads/castlevania-thing.173511/#post-6807015:~:text=Depends on what you mean by "dichotomy." To be precise, it'd have to specifically define it in a way where "Everything that isn't alive, is dead, and everything that isn't dead, is alive." This isn't really being needlessly strict, it's just what the ability is.

Still Abyss and the Courtyard are just supporting scan, the multiverse, which was created from the initial flames that have three state of being "Existence" "Non-Existence" and "Ambiguity" are just an insignificant dot on the bottommost layer of the Lord of Silence, the Great Being and the Great Dao of Reincarnation.

And then, a rumbling sound echoed through the void, as if some invisible force was operating in the depths of nothingness. In the depths of the darkness, layers upon layers of light ignited, transforming into massive gears that interlocked and rotated in the abyss of the void, resembling one Reincarnation nested within another.
Each turn of a gear would drive the rotation of countless others, and this interconnected cycle of Reincarnation was the embodiment of causality.
Reversing the yin and yang of time and space, the eternal cycle of reincarnation without end, neither born nor destroyed, neither tainted nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing.

Su Zhou can now see closer. He begins to perceive other great existential axes also intertwining and constructing the Pan-Infinite Multiverse Derivative Axis itself.

[Fate], [Creation], [End], [Unity]...

[Balance], [Coordination], [Pioneer], [Reincarnation]...

And [Miracle] and [Transcendence].

Su Zhou gazed at the infinitely intersecting axes within the Pan-Infinite Multiverse Derivative Axis. He saw that the infinite axis representing [Reincarnation] is essentially a massive, overlapping 'infinite concentric circles,' with endless overlaps. No matter how one looks towards the center, only one infinite circle after another can be seen, each enveloping the next, with no visible end or boundary.

Now, on the Pan-Infinite Multiverse Derivative Axis, Su Zhou and the Sealed Multiverse are essentially the same "great."

They are just a point.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Still Abyss and the Courtyard are just supporting scan, the multiverse, which was created from the initial flames that have three state of being "Existence" "Non-Existence" and "Ambiguity" are just an insignificant dot on the bottommost layer of the Lord of Silence, the Great Being and the Great Dao of Reincarnation.

I'm out of here. I'll let someone else answer this. Personally, I don't think a higher layer of a dual system is possible, since logical negation includes everything—all possible amounts.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

I'm out of here. I'll let someone else answer this. Personally, I don't think a higher layer of a dual system is possible, since logical negation includes everything—all possible amounts.

It is not layers per se, it is more of truth values which can extend into infinite valued.

And no, type 3 ND only requires you to exist beyond a five-valued system, not all possible amounts lol. I don't know where you get that, bruh. Also logical negation inherently encompasses all possible amounts? Are you sure?

Logics are usually systems intended to codify rules for preserving some semantic property of propositions across transformations. In classical logic, this property is "truth." In a valid argument, the truth of the derived proposition is guaranteed if the premises are jointly true, because the application of valid steps preserves the property. However, that property doesn't have to be that of "truth"; instead, it can be some other concept.

Multi-valued logics are intended to preserve the property of designationhood (or being designated). Since there are more than two truth values, rules of inference may be intended to preserve more than just whichever corresponds (in the relevant sense) to truth. For example, in a three-valued logic, sometimes the two greatest truth-values (when they are represented as e.g. positive integers) are designated and the rules of inference preserve these values. Precisely, a valid argument will be such that the value of the premises taken jointly will always be less than or equal to the conclusion.

Plurality: Characters existing in a nondual state regarding all dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them exist beyond the classical states of contradiction-allowing logic, instead operating on a many-valued logic system with at least five truth values. Such characters occupy a state where they are neither A, nor not A, nor both A and not A, nor neither A nor not A, instead existing in a state one can't describe using simple combinations of A and not A. This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that scale to fewer logical states than the user.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

It is not layers per se, it is more of truth values which can extend into infinite valued.

ok.

And no, type 3 ND only requires you to exist beyond a five-valued system, not all possible amounts lol.

true

I don't know where you get that, bruh. Also logical negation inherently encompasses all possible amounts? Are you sure?

Then change your question so that you mean truth states, since it was confusing as hell.
"Can this be a higher layer of a dual system?" and a dual system is "P and not P." And the "all possible" comes from . For example, the logical negation of death would be the negation of all death, encompassing every possible condition where death does not exist.

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

"all possible" comes from "on."

What are you yapping bout dawg.

And the "all possible" comes from "on." For example, the logical negation of death would be the negation of all death, encompassing every possible condition where death does not exist.

It literally means nothing in VSBW bruh, duality should be inherently like that. Like motion and motionless where motionless encompasses every possible non-motion.

Literally nothing preventing it from achieving higher truth values.

"Truth values" are just layers in fancy wording.

This type of nonduality immunizes the user against all attacks and haxes that scale to fewer logical states than the user.

See the similarities?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

What are you yapping bout dawg.

erased it out of existence

truth values.

It is better to also ask @ActuallySpaceMan42 about this, since he is both interested in Transduality Type 3 and knowledgeable about this verse.

"Truth values" are just layers in fancy wording.



See the similarities?

thanks.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

unless i am more dumb then i thought, this should just be plurality

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

unless i am more dumb then i thought, this should just be plurality

The issue is ,rather than just stating it is Transduality Type 3, you also need to provide a reason.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

The issue is ,rather than just stating it is Transduality Type 3, you also need to provide a reason.

its really because the way unity, uin and yang of time and space, the eternal cycle of reincarnation without end, neither born nor destroyed, neither tainted nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing, all that stated in the op seems like similar justification to how wang wei was granted nd3 here. so i dont see why this shouldnt be plurality,

 

[Huesito88]

its really because the way unity, uin and yang of time and space, the eternal cycle of reincarnation without end, neither born nor destroyed, neither tainted nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing, all that stated in the op seems like similar justification to how wang wei was granted nd3 here. so i dont see why this shouldnt be plurality,

Link broken

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Link broken

fixed it (linked the wrong thread lmfao)

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

its really because the way unity, uin and yang of time and space, the eternal cycle of reincarnation without end, neither born nor destroyed, neither tainted nor pure, neither increasing nor decreasing, all that stated in the op seems like similar justification to how wang wei was granted nd3 here. so i dont see why this shouldnt be plurality,

Thanks, that helps a lot. From what I see, what lacks here is truth and false or two things that encompass other logical negations. Most of the stuff here doesn’t matter since they’re not logical negations, and I see no nonduality type 3.

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This scan was the only nonduality thing I found.

the soul condensed from endless spiritual energy, the unity of yin and yang, the Taiji of movement and stillness, the boundary of existence and non-existence, and the ultimate truth of the final philosophy.