Hazbin Hotel Discussion Thread

[Phsccarvalho]

it is never said he lost to Vox, it is only said that Vox almost lost against him, which implies that Alastor was winning, not that Vox was winning (specially how Vox is clearly very angry at just the mention of the name)

If he almost lost, it means he didn't lose against Alastor. Which means either Vox ended up winning in the end or it was a draw, which is already bad considering how much Alastor was wank in the pilot.

 

[Alexander]

If he almost lost, it means he didn't lose against Alastor. Which means either Vox ended up winning in the end or it was a draw, which is already bad considering how much Alastor was wank in the pilot.

no, it means that he was loosing but something stopped him from losing.
and if he really won, then why he has a ******* KINK WITH ALASTOR BEING DEFEATED?

 

[DaReaperMan]

no, it means that he was loosing but something stopped him from losing.
and if he really won, then why he has a ******* KINK WITH ALASTOR BEING DEFEATED?

Do you not like seeing people you dislike lose?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Anyway you see Charlie’s face in the new info reveal?

there's new info?

 

[Alexander]

Do you not like seeing people you dislike lose?

but to the point of having a sexual fetish with them?man i must be ****** up in the head for that, even to my worst enemy, i don't feel any pleasure on them getting defeated, i just say "the last one to laugh has the best laugh"

 

[Phsccarvalho]

most evil character in this show is Adam.

What did Adam actually do wrong? Since we know that it is the "Universe" that chooses whether people go to heaven or hell and not some council from heaven with super strict rules as we previously thought (like what happened with the cherubs in HB), it is very unlikely that Adam was a bad person in life.

And since I don't remember anything bad that he did when I'm dead?

Adam is a genocider that kills millions for fun every year

He only killed demons. Seriously? Are we going to say that Doomguy is a bad person for having carried out a genocide of demons?

Considering that it is hell, Adam must have annihilated millions of racists, Nazis, pedophiles, cannibals, etc. I don't feel sorry if they all had fates worse than hell.

no, it means that he was loosing but something stopped him from losing.
and if he really won, then why he has a ******* KINK WITH ALASTOR BEING DEFEATED?

Because Vox doesn't like him and doesn't want to see him win in any way.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Considering that it is hell, Adam must have annihilated millions of racists, Nazis, pedophiles, cannibals, etc. I don't feel sorry if they all had fates worse than hell.

One thing we know from Sir Pentious is that if a sinner dies, even if it is by an angelic power (which should leave him permanently dead), the "universe" will still consider it a resurrection to heaven if the sinner has truly changed, become a good person.

So we are 100% certain that all the sinners killed by the exorcists and Adam up until the moment of their deaths were not or became good people. None were innocent.

 

[Alexander]

What did Adam actually do wrong? Since we know that it is the "Universe" that chooses whether people go to heaven or hell and not some council from heaven with super strict rules as we previously thought (like what happened with the cherubs in HB), it is very unlikely that Adam was a bad person in life.

And since I don't remember anything bad that he did when I'm dead?

trying to control Lilith maybe?
also Heaven is a bit hypocrital with their rules considering they banish the cherubs for accidentally killing the person they needed to save, but not the amount of other people that died in that same threater.
also Adam is a Archangel...which is unlikely that the universe gave him that rank naturally, also also, just because you are in heaven or hell it does not mean you were good or evil, example, Lute is a heavenborn, and she is ******* evil, Charlie is hellborn and she is the sweetest thing in the universe.

He only killed demons. Seriously? Are we going to say that Doomguy is a bad person for having carried out a genocide of demons?

Doom Guy has many more heroic actions and is generally the main hero of his universe. Adam has nothing heroic at all. He has none. Doom Guy had people he cared about and clearly does everything he does for the good of humanity. Adam does it for his own sadistic pleasure without caring about anyone but himself (he's a narcissist).

Considering that it is hell, Adam must have annihilated millions of racists, Nazis, pedophiles, cannibals, etc. I don't feel sorry if they all had fates worse than hell.

again, not for the good of anyone, just for his sadistic killings, so it is not a good thing, actually it is a bad thing considering that he also thinks he is better than them (while he has no good traits, and is shown to be prideful, wrathful, lustful, envious, greedy, slothing and gluttonyous)basically...a hypocrite.Because Vox

doesn't like him and doesn't want to see him win in any way.

and somehow he is going to have a kink?and somehow he is so angry that he turned out the power of the entire city just by pure rage?seriosly?

 

[Alexander]

One thing we know from Sir Pentious is that if a sinner dies, even if it is by an angelic power (which should leave him permanently dead), the "universe" will still consider it a resurrection to heaven if the sinner has truly changed, become a good person.

So we are 100% certain that all the sinners killed by the exorcists and Adam up until the moment of their deaths were not or became good people. None were innocent.

which again, it does not make Adam better by any sense, considering he is not doing it for any right or justice, he is just doing it for his own fun, which just makes him a sadistic hypocrite, and even when there was shown a chance for them to change, he still has the view that they never change.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

trying to control Lilith maybe?
also Heaven is a bit hypocrital with their rules considering they banish the cherubs for accidentally killing the person they needed to save, but not the amount of other people that died in that same threater.
also Adam is a Archangel...which is unlikely that the universe gave him that rank naturally, also also, just because you are in heaven or hell it does not mean you were good or evil, example, Lute is a heavenborn, and she is ******* evil, Charlie is hellborn and she is the sweetest thing in the universe.

Lillith's control? It's amazing how vague it is. Considering that in the fairy tale it's just pointing the finger somewhere. It's not enough to determine that she's a bad person (considering that you were talking about redeeming Alastor or something like that, I didn't read). We don't know anything about what the relationship between these two was like. In fact, what we know about their relationship is that it seems that Lilith made some kind of deal with Lute/Adam to stay in heaven, ignoring Lucifer.

What heaven wants doesn't matter, they don't have rights over the destinies of sinners/winners. The cherubs like the imps must be born there, so they have some control, but over the fate of the dead people? No. They didn't even send the cherubs to hell because they shouldn't have any control over that.

No one knows how you go to heaven or hell, and how it is determined by the archangels, so Adam receiving some benefit from the universe that no one knows about just shows how special the guy was, in some way (lol).

Doesn't those born in hell/heaven count? We're talking about sinners. Those born are just born in the place, the place doesn't exactly shape their personality, like when someone dies and goes to hell, which confirms that this person was bad.

Doom Guy has many more heroic actions and is generally the main hero of his universe. Adam has nothing heroic at all. He has none. Doom Guy had people he cared about and clearly does everything he does for the good of humanity. Adam does it for his own sadistic pleasure without caring about anyone but himself (he's a narcissist).

I was comparing genocides since you said Adam was evil because he committed genocide. I was comparing this to Doomguy who also committed genocide, doing it heroically or not is still genocide.

again, not for the good of anyone, just for his sadistic killings, so it is not a good thing, actually it is a bad thing considering that he also thinks he is better than them (while he has no good traits, and is shown to be prideful, wrathful, lustful, envious, greedy, slothing and gluttonyous)basically...a hypocrite.Because Vox

It doesn't matter, he still did a """good""" thing even if his intentions weren't pure. Like, he's still killing a bunch of racist Nazis even though it's for entertainment (shit, who wouldn't have fun killing thousands of racist Nazis with cosmic powers?)

and somehow he is going to have a kink?and somehow he is so angry that he turned out the power of the entire city just by pure rage?seriosly?

The guy might just hate him a lot.

which again, it does not make Adam better by any sense, considering he is not doing it for any right or justice, he is just doing it for his own fun, which just makes him a sadistic hypocrite, and even when there was shown a chance for them to change, he still has the view that they never change.

You started by saying that Adam was evil and that he committed very bad actions, more evil than Alastor. In fact, you said that Adam was the most evil person in the show.

But in the end you basically only manage to argue "but he didn't do it with completely pure intentions" and the thing about him having received a benefit to go to heaven, despite the series showing that no angel has the power to interfere with whether a human goes to heaven, hell or whether he has redeemed himself.

In fact, since we know that it is the "Universe" that chooses the fate of humans after death, we know that Adam was a better person in life than the entire cast of sinners from HH and HB because he went to heaven and they didn't.

And as an exorcist, 95% of what he did was genitalize sinners who were bad people until the moment of their deaths, because if it were the other way around, they would go to heaven like Sir Pentious.

 

[Electronic74947]

I’m pretty sure that Bill’s sins will make Alastor look saint. Just because Bill has good backstory doesn’t mean he is less evil lul.

He has more crimes. But if alastor had bills powers and influence he’d be way worse. There’s only so much alastor can do in his own verse

 

[Alexander]

Lillith's control? It's amazing how vague it is. Considering that in the fairy tale it's just pointing the finger somewhere. It's not enough to determine that she's a bad person (considering that you were talking about redeeming Alastor or something like that, I didn't read). We don't know anything about what the relationship between these two was like. In fact, what we know about their relationship is that it seems that Lilith made some kind of deal with Lute/Adam to stay in heaven, ignoring Lucifer.

there is no statements about the story of hell being a fairy tale, actually where do people get is a fairy tale?
redeeming Alastor?i was talking about his redeeming qualities, not redeeming him literraly.
whatever deal it was, it lasted just for how long Adam will be alive...or something.

What heaven wants doesn't matter, they don't have rights over the destinies of sinners/winners. The cherubs like the imps must be born there, so they have some control, but over the fate of the dead people? No. They didn't even send the cherubs to hell because they shouldn't have any control over that.

and somehow Adam got turned into a Archangel by fate itself?

No one knows how you go to heaven or hell, and how it is determined by the archangels, so Adam receiving some benefit from the universe that no one knows about just shows how special the guy was, in some way (lol).

just like Lilith somehow gaining demonic powers after being banished to hell

Doesn't those born in hell/heaven count? We're talking about sinners. Those born are just born in the place, the place doesn't exactly shape their personality, like when someone dies and goes to hell, which confirms that this person was bad.

basically yes, and that just confirms that being in those locations does not automatically mean everyone is good or bad.

I was comparing genocides since you said Adam was evil because he committed genocide. I was comparing this to Doomguy who also committed genocide, doing it heroically or not is still genocide.

One does it for the good of humanity, and the other does it for his own entertainment, either way Doomguy doesn't come off any better in heroic terms, but he's definitely not on the same level of evil as Adam.

It doesn't matter, he still did a """good""" thing even if his intentions weren't pure. Like, he's still killing a bunch of racist Nazis even though it's for entertainment (shit, who wouldn't have fun killing thousands of racist Nazis with cosmic powers?)

Let's see, how is that remotely good? He's not doing it to defend anyone, or even himself. Hell, he literally does it YEARLY and can choose to cut it in half. Plus, he arbitrarily attacked Charlie's hotel just because Charlie dared to challenge him.
if you are a sadistic piece of shit, probably you, if you are not...then you won't kill them.

The guy might just hate him a lot.

he loves to hate him.

You started by saying that Adam was evil and that he committed very bad actions, more evil than Alastor. In fact, you said that Adam was the most evil person in the show.

But in the end you basically only manage to argue "but he didn't do it with completely pure intentions" and the thing about him having received a benefit to go to heaven, despite the series showing that no angel has the power to interfere with whether a human goes to heaven, hell or whether he has redeemed himself.

In fact, since we know that it is the "Universe" that chooses the fate of humans after death, we know that Adam was a better person in life than the entire cast of sinners from HH and HB because he went to heaven and they didn't.

And as an exorcist, 95% of what he did was genitalize sinners who were bad people until the moment of their deaths, because if it were the other way around, they would go to heaven like Sir Pentious.

And apparently that automatically makes it better at everything in general? Man, I'm not going to swallow that when it hasn't proven to be good at all, and if it was good in the past, it doesn't matter in the slightest now.
actually i won't even be surprised if in future seasons they reveal that he was actually a true piece of shit from the start and he got to heaven for some unknown reasons.

 

[Alexander]

He has more crimes. But if alastor had bills powers and influence he’d be way worse. There’s only so much alastor can do in his own verse

now we are entering in fanfiction territory with this one.

 

[Electronic74947]

i think that is subverted when you know that he tortured ford with electricity.

He literally asked ford to join him lol, also abusive relationships still exist while the abuser loves someone too

and is Bill redeemed?or he is still in theraphy?

Therapy but it’s shown to be affecting him since he has a mental breakdown by the end

yeah, that proofs they are not pure evil, Bill considers his own friends useless or worthless when they can't do their job right, instead of being showing care for them or concern.

And alastor does? He literally says he doesn’t wanna be seen as an altruist

But mention one good thing about Adam (other than his relationship with Lute)that actually does not make him worse than Alastor.

Alastor killed dozens of overlords and owns millions of souls for his amusement and torture tf

Alastor is a cannibal, okay, but Adam is a genocider that kills millions for fun every year, getting eaten alive is bad on itself, but getting erased and merged into the realm to suffer for eternity sounds like a much worse fate.

Because the sinners are shit people? We know penthouse got to heaven but nobody else the executioners killed went to heaven mfao

 

[Electronic74947]

there's new info?

The helluva boss crossover shit lol

 

[Electronic74947]

now we are entering in fanfiction territory with this one.

Because we know from their personality lmfao. You’ve not read BoB judging from your lack of info on him

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

The helluva boss crossover shit lol

oh that one, uh yeah

 

[Electronic74947]

Thing is this whole alastor bs could all be fixed if alastor was stronger than Adam and lost to PIS

 

[Alexander]

Thing is this whole alastor bs could all be fixed if alastor was stronger than Adam and lost to PIS

man that would look stupid

 

[Electronic74947]

man that would look stupid

It fixes any qualms people had with alastor being weak in the series. Established that he’s excluded from the heirarchy, shows why the characters should still be afraid of alastor and that he’s a legitimate threat. Honestly having alastor having to retreat from his deal makes way more ******* sense for his character than what we got.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

how did this whole Bill, Alastor Arguement came from Someone talking about how Pilot Al gave Bill-Like vibes

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Not knowing about Book of Bill in 2025 is crazy work

Pretty much the only major thing gravity falls has gotten post finale. Also managed to get that shit signed a while back by Hirsch

 

[Electronic74947]

how did this whole Bill, Alastor Arguement came from Someone talking about how Pilot Al gave Bill-Like vibes

Alexander lacks media literacy

 

[Alexander]

He literally asked ford to join him lol, also abusive relationships still exist while the abuser loves someone too

it was to pursue him to give him the secret into breaking the magnetism in gravity falls

Therapy but it’s shown to be affecting him since he has a mental breakdown by the end

deserved considering all the bad stuff he has done

And alastor does? He literally says he doesn’t wanna be seen as an altruist

the guy shows respect for Zestial, he allows Niffty to touch him (and we know this guy will kill you if you even dare to do that)and he has a friendship with Rossie.

Alastor killed dozens of overlords and owns millions of souls for his amusement and torture tf

Bill wanted to destroy a entire dimension, he tortures ford, attempted to make Dipper seem like he killed himself (he didn't manage to do that in the episode) and he attempted to make the reader believe that he changed so he could be free and try make a weirdmageddon 2.0...yeah

Because the sinners are shit people? We know penthouse got to heaven but nobody else the executioners killed went to heaven mfao

and somehow that makes Adam a hero?

 

[Electronic74947]

Pretty much the only major thing gravity falls has gotten post finale. Also managed to get that shit signed a while back by Hirsch

Lucky af

 

[Alexander]

Alexander lacks media literacy

thats a huge insult coming from people who think Adam is a hero...sorry you are not the one who say it, is just a bunch of people really.

 

[Alexander]

i will say it right now, after season 2 gets released and it shows that Adam is definitely not good, people will start saying that the show wasted the potential of Adam, or something stupid like that, or they turned him into a villain (HOW?)

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Lucky af

Eh partially lucky. I had to wait 3+ hours in a line at comic con for it. Shit was chaos. Workers straight up had to disperse people a few times cause it was causing a fire hazard

 

[Phsccarvalho]

there is no statements about the story of hell being a fairy tale, actually where do people get is a fairy tale?
redeeming Alastor?i was talking about his redeeming qualities, not redeeming him literraly.
whatever deal it was, it lasted just for how long Adam will be alive...or something.

It's just the name I used to refer to that book. We have no idea what kind of "evil" Adam was with Lilith, but not enough to go to hell, which already puts him above the list of sinners in HB and HH.

Considering that we have Mayberry, who went to hell even with "One mistake in a perfect life", that is, considering all the statements and evidence we have, Adam almost acted perfectly in life.

and somehow Adam got turned into a Archangel by fate itself?

Sinners/winners are remarkably powerful in the hierarchy, at least above the average hell/heaven born. Just as sinners can become extremely powerful, there's nothing stopping Adam from achieving the same, considering he's the oldest human in existence, so he had time.

And even if he was the chosen one, it just shows how his "perfect" life made him receive this.

just like Lilith somehow gaining demonic powers after being banished to hell

Humans gain powers by going to heaven/hell as stated above. As well as becoming stronger. What are you trying to refute here?

One does it for the good of humanity, and the other does it for his own entertainment, either way Doomguy doesn't come off any better in heroic terms, but he's definitely not on the same level of evil as Adam.

It doesn't matter.

Let's see, how is that remotely good? He's not doing it to defend anyone, or even himself. Hell, he literally does it YEARLY and can choose to cut it in half. Plus, he arbitrarily attacked Charlie's hotel just because Charlie dared to challenge him.
if you are a sadistic piece of shit, probably you, if you are not...then you won't kill them.

It doesn't matter, because these actions are far from being truly bad.

Why would anyone choose to halve the genocide of Nazis, Racists and Pelophiles because the princess of hell asked them to?

Shit, if I were in Adam's shoes I would throw a Genki Dama at that hotel.

And apparently that automatically makes it better at everything in general? Man, I'm not going to swallow that when it hasn't proven to be good at all, and if it was good in the past, it doesn't matter in the slightest now.
actually i won't even be surprised if in future seasons they reveal that he was actually a true piece of shit from the start and he got to heaven for some unknown reasons.

No one is absolutely perfect in everything.

The thing is that you said he is the most evil being in the show. When objectively that is not true.

The show showed us very well how the "universe" chooses the destiny of humans, and how rigid it is with that. Like in the case of Mayberry. Since we know that angels, seraphim, etc. cannot interfere with that, what we have canonical to take from this is that Adam was really a good enough person to go to heaven.

If this is later retconned to some mysterious being putting him in heaven for some reason even though he didn't deserve it, that's for the future.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I've been talking about Adam so much that I feel like Shion could be summoned at any moment.

 

[Electronic74947]

it was to pursue him to give him the secret into breaking the magnetism in gravity falls

But the book literally shows he had some weird obsession with ford

deserved considering all the bad stuff he has done

Yeah no shit. I’m not saying he’s not bad. He’s just insane for a reason. Alastor is literally evil for ***** and giggles even as a human

the guy shows respect for Zestial, he allows Niffty to touch him (and we know this guy will kill you if you even dare to do that)and he has a friendship with Rossie.

Respect doesn’t mean he’s good, he’s just mature than that. Also Rosie owns his soul and he hates her

Bill wanted to destroy a entire dimension, he tortures ford, attempted to make Dipper seem like he killed himself (he didn't manage to do that in the episode) and he attempted to make the reader believe that he changed so he could be free and try make a weirdmageddon 2.0...yeah

And alastor wouldn’t do that if he could? Alastor is only more mature than bill, he’s way more sadustic and isn’t even as close with his friends as bill is with his crew

and somehow that makes Adam a hero?

That makes him worse than alastor?

 

[DaReaperMan]

The Chaotic Evil character is so misunderstood and actually morally good guys, promise.

 

[Electronic74947]

The Chaotic Evil character is so misunderstood and actually morally good guys, promise.

We all know alastor has a guts level backstory fr. I’m not even saying bill is good but he has way better reasons and way more influence over the multiversal than alastor does in hell

 

[Alexander]

But the book literally shows he had some weird obsession with ford

somehow obsessions to that level are any good?

Yeah no shit. I’m not saying he’s bad. He’s just insane for a reason. Alastor is literally evil for ***** and giggles even as a human

insanity has limits (or probably not)destroying a entire dimension by doing a elaborated plan?yeah he is both a insane and a genius.

Respect doesn’t mean he’s good, he’s just mature than that. Also Rosie owns his soul and hates her

Respect is a redeemable quality, a truly evil person respects no one but himself (or anything in general, in the case of a nihilist)that is mostly called pride.
oh great and i somehow KNOWN THAT?

And alastor wouldn’t do that if he could?

if scenearios don't work, it is needs to be something that he did, not something he would do in a hypothetical circumstance that is clearly out of his capacities.

The Chaotic Evil character is so misunderstood and actually morally good guys, promise.

he is more chaotic neutral than chaotic evil (yeah yeah kill me if you want)

That makes him worse than alastor?

if no redeeming qualities+only negative things make you worse than someone with negative things but also redeeming qualities...yeah

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Also Rosie owns his soul and he hates her

Dude, don't remind me of that. Let me have some memory of Alastor's aura.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

He only killed demons. Seriously? Are we going to say that Doomguy is a bad person for having carried out a genocide of demons?

Doom Demon are, like, explicitly non-human, interdimensional monsters who's entire goal is invading Earth and wiping out humanity.
Sinners are humans. A lot of them aren’t even close to being irredeemable. Mrs. Mayberry ended up in Hell for killing her cheating husband, bad but not deserves death bad, and the far more egregious one, Sir Pentious got sent to Hell just for not intervening in a murder. That’s how low the bar is. If people can be damned just for standing by, that means potentially millions are there because of passive or circumstantial “sins.”

Like, a central aspect of Hazbin Hotel is that Hell is full of bad people and outright enables sin, like, systemically. But we see through the hotel that there are also people who sinned but are just sort of... normal.

Lots point to the hotel’s lack of success as proof that all sinners are all evil. But like, Charlie had no proof her redemption program even worked. She was basically running a spiritual rehab program with the same credibility as those alternative cancer cure scams.
Also, let’s not forget: Overlords literally own millions of souls. Most sinners have zero autonomy. Expecting people to become better in that kind of environment is like expecting someone to recover from addiction while trapped in a crack house run by their dealer.

It is honestly crazy that just giving an explanation -NOT justification- behind mass genocide and people will immediately just rally behind it.

 

[DaReaperMan]

We all know alastor has a guts level backstory fr. I’m not even saying bill is good but he has way better reasons and way more influence over the multiversal than alastor does in hell

But Alastor totally supports the hotel guys, he's just being tsundere about it because contradicting himself every five minutes on his stance in regards to the hotel isn't shitty writing.

Dude, don't remind me of that. Let me have some memory of Alastor's aura.

Alastor walked up to the head of the exorcists and got fuckstomped. And he also makes a fool out of himself several times before in the season lol

he is more chaotic neutral than chaotic evil (yeah yeah kill me if you want)

You're probably right on that one but let's not mix up where Al actually stands morally because he's bordering on being a Pure Evil candidate.

 

[Alexander]

It's just the name I used to refer to that book. We have no idea what kind of "evil" Adam was with Lilith, but not enough to go to hell, which already puts him above the list of sinners in HB and HH.

it is not even the correct name

Considering that we have Mayberry, who went to hell even with "One mistake in a perfect life", that is, considering all the statements and evidence we have, Adam almost acted perfectly in life.

what about Rita?or emberlynn?or the drowned guy?well get Emberlynn out, we have the drowned guy.

Sinners/winners are remarkably powerful in the hierarchy, at least above the average hell/heaven born. Just as sinners can become extremely powerful, there's nothing stopping Adam from achieving the same, considering he's the oldest human in existence, so he had time.

sinners can get powerful by using other sinners, aka, they turn into overlords, but Adam is so powerful that he is literraly above ******* SINS.

And even if he was the chosen one, it just shows how his "perfect" life made him receive this.

so you believe the bullshit that Adam said that he made no mistakes in life even when, clearly, he commite many mistakes on life.

Humans gain powers by going to heaven/hell as stated above. As well as becoming stronger. What are you trying to refute here?

but to the point of being stronger than a ******* SIN is ridiculous

It doesn't matter.

it does, again, Doom guy has more heroic things than Adam.

it doesn't matter, because these actions are far from being truly bad.

and they are also far from being truly good, or even remotely good.

Why would anyone choose to halve the genocide of Nazis, Racists and Pelophiles because the princess of hell asked them to?

maybe to show that you at least have some minimal amount of good in you?because Adam sure has not shown anything remotely good.

Shit, if I were in Adam's shoes I would throw a Genki Dama at that hotel.

now, you proved yourself that Adam is pure evil (or probably not because Lute)

No one is absolutely perfect in everything.

EXACTLY

The thing is that you said he is the most evil being in the show. When objectively that is not true.

it is also not true that is a objectively good thing, no one in the verse thinks it is a good thing, not even Sera (the one approving this)thinks it is a good thing, she thinks is something horrific and barbarian, she only allows it for the good of heaven, not for the thinking this is the right thing to do.

The show showed us very well how the "universe" chooses the destiny of humans, and how rigid it is with that. Like in the case of Mayberry. Since we know that angels, seraphim, etc. cannot interfere with that, what we have canonical to take from this is that Adam was really a good enough person to go to heaven.

If this is later retconned to some mysterious being putting him in heaven for some reason even though he didn't deserve it, that's for the future.

future

 

[Alexander]

But Alastor totally supports the hotel guys, he's just being tsundere about it because contradicting himself every five minutes on his stance in regards to the hotel isn't shitty writing.

he wants to see the hotel fail, but the hotel can't fail if it is destroyed or has no guests on it.

Alastor walked up to the head of the exorcists and got fuckstomped. And he also makes a fool out of himself several times before in the season lol

and somehow in the pilot he is invincible even when, the only relevant thing he did was beating sir pentious?

You're probably right on that one but let's not mix up where Al actually stands morally because he's bordering on being a Pure Evil candidate.

one wiki in charge of that literraly has only two characters in almost pure evil, Adam and Ronaldo (the demon infester)Adam has a prevention because of Lute and Ronaldo fails the heinous standard (basically how many crimes you have based on your resources or how specific your crime is)...Alastor is villanous benchmark, which is below inconsistently heinous, near pure evil and pure evil.

 

[DaReaperMan]

he wants to see the hotel fail, but the hotel can't fail if it is destroyed or has no guests on it.

Whatever you make up on the matter...

and somehow in the pilot he is invincible even when, the only relevant thing he did was beating sir pentious?

The point was aura, not sheer power lol

one wiki in charge of that literraly has only two characters in almost pure evil, Adam and Ronaldo (the demon infester)Adam has a prevention because of Lute and Ronaldo fails the heinous standard (basically how many crimes you have based on your resources or how specific your crime is)...Alastor is villanous benchmark, which is below inconsistently heinous, near pure evil and pure evil.

Considering one wiki in charge of that has paragraph-long profiles, not sure how using em is a good idea.