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Naruto vs Samus (1-3-0)

Depends if you think her resistance to madness [proximity to hunter metroids induces psychotic breakdowns in most, she's fine] and mind manipulation [unaffected by phazon which takes people over immediately and makes them slaves to dark samus' desires] is close enough. I'd suggest that it is, they're both essentially resisting someone attempting to mess with your thought process, but I don't really know the standards.
 
It's also not really in character for Naruto to use so I really doubt it's even worth mentioning here
 
It's also not really in character for Naruto to use so I really doubt it's even worth mentioning here
That because most of the times nard isn’t trying to kill his opponents and instead tries to convert them. The fear and madness hax is just a byproduct of a shinobi trying to kill someone
 
That because most of the times nard isn’t trying to kill his opponents and instead tries to convert them. The fear and madness hax is just a byproduct of a shinobi trying to kill someone
Is it tho? The only people I ever remember actually showing something like that are Zabuza, Orochimaru, and I think Obito in the novels who have extraordinary bloodlust.

Not exactly something that Naruto, the beacon of hope, would be famous for.
 
Is it tho? The only people I ever remember actually showing something like that are Zabuza, Orochimaru, and I think Obito in the novels who have extraordinary bloodlust.
They just have more potent bloodlust then most folks. It’s standard Shinobi physiology to have fear and madness hax as they passively inject bloodlust into their aura when they want to kill someone or smth. Once sussy slayer drops that chakra blog its gonna be more detailed in there on how all this fear and madness bs works
Not exactly something that Naruto, the beacon of hope, would be famous for.
True, but Kurama can radiate that fear and madness haxs from his chakra, so nard’s cloak should be passively doing that if his not doing it himself
 
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Depends if you think her resistance to madness [proximity to hunter metroids induces psychotic breakdowns in most, she's fine] and mind manipulation [unaffected by phazon which takes people over immediately and makes them slaves to dark samus' desires] is close enough. I'd suggest that it is, they're both essentially resisting someone attempting to mess with your thought process, but I don't really know the standards.
Pretty sure our standards are that other forms of mind hax don't correlate with each other like that so Fear Hax should work, especially since Kurama emits it passively just via being there as shown in Boruto when just Naruto getting red eyes like he did as a could caused Shin to get fear haxed by Kurama.
 
Pretty sure our standards are that other forms of mind hax don't correlate with each other like that so Fear Hax should work
Any source? If there's none, perhaps a CRT should be made to create some kind of standard
It can cause intense fear, paralysis, illusions, suicidal urges, unconsciousness etc. it also have madness manipulation(type 2)
Can it be fought off using willpower?
 
Pretty sure our standards are that other forms of mind hax don't correlate with each other like that so Fear Hax should work, especially since Kurama emits it passively just via being there as shown in Boruto when just Naruto getting red eyes like he did as a could caused Shin to get fear haxed by Kurama.
Actually it depends on how the fear hax functions as mentioned here.

Also this is a thing:
Depending on the user and medium, Fear Manipulation can occasionally be depicted as a power which can be overcome with bravery, willpower and courage.
 
I don't scale Naruto well, but according to Zabuza's profile, his aura gave Sasuke suicidal thoughts but it looks like he could snap out of it? No idea how much stronger Kurama's fear hax is, the scan on its profile is gone
 
I don't scale Naruto well, but according to Zabuza's profile, his aura gave Sasuke suicidal thoughts but it looks like he could snap out of it? No idea how much stronger Kurama's fear hax is, the scan on its profile is gone
To be fair, Sasuke only really snapped out of it because Kakashi reassured him that he would be fine.
 
That still means you could snap out of it through willpower, or at least continue fighting while affected by it
Yeah, you could, though Sasuke was on the verge of slamming a kunai through his own throat before Kakashi said anything so Samus is still gonna have problems at first. Then she runs into a much bigger problem since Naruto will only be getting stronger the more he uses KCM2 since he was mastering it more and more until he reached almost 100 teratons through constant fighting. Samus' best chance at victory is trying to take out Naruto when his form disappears for a brief bit after exhausting the initial usage and even then he can just pop into Sage Mode to not get one-shot by her or use Substitution Jutsu to avoid her attacks while Kurama recharges him.
 
They just have more potent bloodlust then most folks. It’s standard Shinobi physiology to have fear and madness hax as they passively inject bloodlust into their aura when they want to kill someone or smth.
Is it standard tho? Chakra is pretty personal stuff to where 5ks Sasuke could have super dark and cold chakra while Narutos was bright and warm despite them being relative.

It seems to heavily correlate with the darkness and bloodlust of individual people rather than simply being a universal thing for all shinobi.
Once sussy slayer drops that chakra blog its gonna be more detailed in there on how all this fear and madness bs works
I mean sure but so far he didn't and Naruto literally never used anything like fear hax and doesn't really fit with the people that did do so.
True, but Kurama can radiate that fear and madness haxs from his chakra, so nard’s cloak should be passively doing that if his not doing it himself
Kuramas uncontrolled chakra can when you directly interact with it (although it's debatable what's the extent since Kurama is naturally a big scary fox so it scaring someone doesn't really need supernatural FM) but in kcm1/2 that's not really the case. There's a huge difference between how Kurama chakra behaves in different forms.

Like in the uncontrolled v2 state it's heavily corrosive like a poison and instantly burns whatever it touches, but in kcm2 it not only doesn't have any negative effects upon contact but can actually heal and power up people that touch it.
 
Is it standard tho? Chakra is pretty personal stuff to where 5ks Sasuke could have super dark and cold chakra while Narutos was bright and warm despite them being relative.
Ok
It seems to heavily correlate with the darkness and bloodlust of individual people rather than simply being a universal thing for all shinobi.
It’s more bloodlust based than the quality of the chakra. bloodlust and darkness of one’s chakra is two different things in the verse. Shinobi like itachi can have bloodlust and cause these effects yet he has a kind heart
Kuramas uncontrolled chakra can when you directly interact with it (although it's debatable what's the extent since Kurama is naturally a big scary fox so it scaring someone doesn't really need supernatural FM) but in kcm1/2 that's not really the case. There's a huge difference between how Kurama chakra behaves in different forms.
Agree
Like in the uncontrolled v2 state it's heavily corrosive like a poison and instantly burns whatever it touches, but in kcm2 it not only doesn't have any negative effects upon contact but can actually heal and power up people that touch it.
Kurama can do it in controlled state as well. Like how he did for shin uchihas clones.
 
It’s more bloodlust based than the quality of the chakra. bloodlust and darkness of one’s chakra is two different things in the verse. Shinobi like itachi can have bloodlust and cause these effects yet he has a kind heart
Uhhh idk about that. Sasuke and Jigen were specifically said to have "cold" and "sinister" chakra which made sensors (Karin and Ino) sweat just from sensing it.

We even see the huge difference when Karin first senses Narutos warm chakra and it seems to have a comfortable calming effect but the she senses Kuramas dark chakra inside which makes her start sweating.
Kurama can do it in controlled state as well. Like how he did for shin uchihas clones.
I mean sure, but there's 2 issues with that.
1. Kurama only die that once and that was to literal children (and only when Naruto was in contact with them).
2. Kurama is a giant demon that can one shot Shins by sneezing at them so them being scared isn't necessarily a fear hax feat.
 
Uhhh idk about that. Sasuke and Jigen were specifically said to have "cold" and "sinister" chakra which made sensors (Karin and Ino) sweat just from sensing it.
That has nothing to do with the fear hax of a shinobi. The quality and quantity of one’s chakra can cause some peps to sweat and stuff. And that’s normal, because that’s not a supernatural force that’s causing fear but the strength and how evil they are that caused them to sweat. This specific example would fall under social influencing.

The fear hax comes from shinobi being able to inject killing intent into their auras. This killing intent is the supernatural force that’s qualifies for fear hax under the vsbw standards. So it doesn’t matter how bright or dark their chakra is, what matters is how much they want to kill someone or smth
We even see the huge difference when Karin first senses Narutos warm chakra and it seems to have a comfortable calming effect but the she senses Kuramas dark chakra inside which makes her start sweating.
As mentioned above
I mean sure, but there's 2 issues with that.
1. Kurama only die that once and that was to literal children (and only when Naruto was in contact with them).
If I am not wrong those clones are pretty much emotionless and chakra can connect peps minds and soul together so it can be used in combat if your opponent’s can’t sense energy or sage chakra.
2. Kurama is a giant demon that can one shot Shins by sneezing at them so them being scared isn't necessarily a fear hax feat.
Same thing as mentioned above
 
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Let's ignore the fear hax for a moment and assume she's fine, how is she gonna consistently tag Naruto through his precog, multiple massive attacks, his LS strength edge that will be really useful if he grabs her, the Substition Jutsu, Shunshin, his monstrous hand to hand skill advantage, the fact his chakra cloak can have a crap ton of limbs shoot out at a really long range as well as size shifting, the Kurama Avatar, his Shadow Clones, his summons, his durability negation, his chakra limbs having been shown to be able to grab energy attacks like the Rasenshuriken and literal fire so he can deflect her shots if necessary, etc.
 
That has nothing to do with the fear hax of a shinobi. The quality and quantity of one’s chakra can cause some peps to sweat and stuff.
One's chakra being more scary has no correlation with causing fear in people?
And that’s normal, because that’s not a supernatural force that’s causing fear but the strength and how evil they are that caused them to sweat. This specific example would fall under social influencing.
Is the evilness you're emitting to scare people not a supernatural force?
The fear hax comes from shinobi being able to inject killing intent into their auras.
Yes, so if their aura is naturally more "scary" it would make sense for the to have stronger fear hax.
Which is exactly what we see with the most cold-blooded dark characters having the most direct fear hax feats.
This killing intent is the supernatural force that’s qualifies for fear hax under the vsbw standards. So it doesn’t matter how bright or dark their chakra is, what matters is how much they want to kill someone or smth
Ngl that sounds like a headcanon. We know different chakra properties add different effects to chakra and we mostly see people with dark or "sinister" chakra induce fear into their opponents.

But even if it's bloodlust it wouldn't really matter here because Naruto is naturally not a really bloodlusted person and SBA don't put the characters in a bloodlusted state.
If I am not wrong those clones are pretty much emotionless and chakra can connect peps minds and soul together so it can be used in combat if your opponent’s can’t sense energy or sage chakra.
I don’t remember anything stating they're truly emotionless. I think a genin level child getting jumpscared by Kurama the legendary nine tailed demon fox and embodiment of hatred is enough to scare you regardless of having fear hax.

And while it's not impossible, do you honestly think it's likely for BE Kurama here to have murderous intent towards a bunch of children that basically did nothing wrong so far? Because if it's purely a thing of bloodlust then Kurama would have to feel a strong urge to kill them
 
The kid tried to murder Naruto while he was off-guard. Of course Kurama would be pissed at a near death of his favorite person in all of existence.
 
Let's ignore the fear hax for a moment and assume she's fine, how is she gonna consistently tag Naruto through his precog, multiple massive attacks, his LS strength edge that will be really useful if he grabs her, the Substition Jutsu, Shunshin, his monstrous hand to hand skill advantage, the fact his chakra cloak can have a crap ton of limbs shoot out at a really long range as well as size shifting, the Kurama Avatar, his Shadow Clones, his summons, his durability negation, his chakra limbs having been shown to be able to grab energy attacks like the Rasenshuriken and literal fire so he can deflect her shots if necessary, etc.
Yeah I was just about to ask that as well. Samus' profile doesn't seem to hold up to Naruto well so it would be good to hear from a Metroid supporter, because it seems like Naruto can just jump her with a ton of clones.
The kid tried to murder Naruto while he was off-guard. Of course Kurama would be pissed at a near death of his favorite person in all of existence.
Did he? Naruto made a ton of clones that ran into each other with the Shins and he seemed to catch his attack with no difficulty
 
Yeah I was just about to ask that as well. Samus' profile doesn't seem to hold up to Naruto well so it would be good to hear from a Metroid supporter, because it seems like Naruto can just jump her with a ton of clones.
I'd make the argument that Samus actually fares pretty well against large numbers of clones because her attacks pierce and have fairly wide AOE (like, man-sized) so she can just shoot in one direction and vaporize an entire swathe of them, or drop a Power Bomb and clear out a large AOE around herself.

Regarding actually hitting Naruto... honestly I'm not very interested in doing a whole skill debate so, her aiming feats are down under her intelligence section, judge for yourselves.

I should mention this isn't Samus' strongest key.
 
To be fair skill is only part of the issue, the other problem in hitting him is just how much stuff has to avoid getting hit like precog, an almost blitz level speed amp and literally borderline teleportation.
 
Precog isn't really the end all-be-all when avoiding ranged attacks, even if he can react to something ahead of time Samus (and her targeting systems) will be able to adjust to his reaction. Teleportation and blitzing... well, yeah.

This is secondary but Naruto being 16 is also a concern. If Samus is in character she'd be really hesitant to employ lethal force against someone that young, especially since to my knowledge he doesn't really go for the kill either.

Stomp?
 
I don't know if I would call it a stomp since this specific key for KCM2 only lasts about eight minutes but that is gonna be an absolutely hellish eight minutes for Samus to deal with when Naruto can do all that stuff and then get back in the game in an albeit weaker form.
 
If she can glean that by scanning him (she absolutely can, her info analysis is busted) she might actually be capable of exploiting that and just play defensive and run away with the speed booster. How much weaker is he afterwards?
 
If she can glean that by scanning him (she absolutely can, her info analysis is busted) she might actually be capable of exploiting that and just play defensive and run away with the speed booster. How much weaker is he afterwards?
Small Country+, specifically 4 Teratons but stuff like the Rasenshuriken is still above his physicals with the Rasengan Barrage specifically doubling his AP.
 
How much speed-wise

Worth mentioning Samus upscales from her rating by a stomp-worthy degree
 
One's chakra being more scary has no correlation with causing fear in people?

Is the evilness you're emitting to scare people not a supernatural force?

Yes, so if their aura is naturally more "scary" it would make sense for the to have stronger fear hax.
Which is exactly what we see with the most cold-blooded dark characters having the most direct fear hax feats.

Ngl that sounds like a headcanon. We know different chakra properties add different effects to chakra and we mostly see people with dark or "sinister" chakra induce fear into their opponents.

But even if it's bloodlust it wouldn't really matter here because Naruto is naturally not a really bloodlusted person and SBA don't put the characters in a bloodlusted state.

I don’t remember anything stating they're truly emotionless. I think a genin level child getting jumpscared by Kurama the legendary nine tailed demon fox and embodiment of hatred is enough to scare you regardless of having fear hax.

And while it's not impossible, do you honestly think it's likely for BE Kurama here to have murderous intent towards a bunch of children that basically did nothing wrong so far? Because if it's purely a thing of bloodlust then Kurama would have to feel a strong urge to kill them
Would be better to just wait for the chakra blog. That will explain things far better then I can and will include scans or wait for the nard profile revamp i am helping out with. That will have the fear and madness hax section with all the scans and stuff
 
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