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The Flaming Thunder God vs The God of Lightning (7-0-0 [Grace])

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Post-Hashira Training Zenitsu vs Kashimo​





















Attack Potency: 5.8 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: Class 50
Attack Potency: 1.32 Kilotons, far higher with Lightning Discharge
Lifting Strength: At least Class M​

Battle Assumptions
Speed Equalized
Zenitsu is Serious and Willing to Kill. Kashimo is In-Character
Fight takes place in the Land of Lightning
Combatants start 100 meters away from each other.
Otherwise, SBA​

CombatantsVotes
Zenitsu@Catbowtie, @Razor, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Kavopaco, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Ebihara, @Naito-desu
Kashimo
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Kenjaku AP and LS upgrade from resisting Yuki’s hole. Unfortunately I don’t think my goat Choso will get the upgrade either because he didn’t resist Yuki’s hole
 
I think removing Zenitsu's bloodlust would make the fight more fair. This is already post hashira training Zenitsu so he doesn't need to be asleep in order to fight effectively. If he's bloodlusted he just uses godspeed instantly and kills kashimo, with no way for kashimo to retaliate.
 
Razor said:
I think removing Zenitsu's bloodlust would make the fight more fair. This is already post hashira training Zenitsu so he doesn't need to be asleep in order to fight effectively. If he's bloodlusted he just uses godspeed instantly and kills kashimo, with no way for kashimo to retaliate.
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Bloodlust just allows him to kill humans in character
 
I forgot is Thunderclap and flash / six / eight fold blitz amps. Godspeed is sure as hell one and flaming thunder god is overkil
 
Razor said:
SBA already puts him in the mindset that he will try to kill Kashimo. Bloodlust makes it so he is immune to PiS and any inhibitions. Imagine if Kashimo instantly starts with MBA, that's bloodlust.
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Heres the thing tho. Demon Slayers can't kill humans. Goes against their main principles.
But I guess with SBA along with it not being a weakness on their profiles, I guess this can slide.
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
I forgot is Thunderclap and flash / six / eight fold blitz amps. Godspeed is sure as hell one and flaming thunder god is overkil
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I'm pretty sure godspeed and flaming thunder god are the only blitz amps. Its still a noteworthy difference tho. Zenitsu and Inosuke couldn't even slice Daki's tentacles but when Zenitsu used eight fold they were able to slice all of them and slice Daki's head off, tho this was only done with the help of Tanjiro. Basically its a noteworthy speed amp but not close to a blitz.
 
Razor said:
I think removing Zenitsu's bloodlust would make the fight more fair. This is already post hashira training Zenitsu so he doesn't need to be asleep in order to fight effectively. If he's bloodlusted he just uses godspeed instantly and kills kashimo, with no way for kashimo to retaliate.
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Razor said:
SBA already puts him in the mindset that he will try to kill Kashimo. Bloodlust makes it so he is immune to PiS and any inhibitions. Imagine if Kashimo instantly starts with MBA, that's bloodlust.
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Yea no that ain't flying. Demon Slayers don't kill humans at all. At. All. It's the same as having Megumi and Yuji fight to the death, or having Kratos fight Sora. It is wildly out of character for any of the demon slayers to ever kill a human. The only people that would kill humans without bloodlust is start of series Inosuke and maybe Sanemi, Iguro, or Tengen. SBA just makes them willing to fight, but that stipulation runs exactly contrary to the nature of the demon slayer corps. Bloodlust is the closest thing I can do to Zenitsu to have him actually fight Kashimo (because at best, In-Character Zenitsu would job the **** out of a fight against a human). I could say "willing to kill" but I'm not sure how valid that is in a versus match.
 
Catbowtie said:
Yea no that ain't flying. Demon Slayers don't kill humans at all. At. All. It's the same as having Megumi and Yuji fight to the death, or having Kratos fight Sora. It is wildly out of character for any of the demon slayers to ever kill a human. The only people that would kill humans without bloodlust is start of series Inosuke and maybe Sanemi, Iguro, or Tengen. SBA just makes them willing to fight, but that stipulation runs exactly contrary to the nature of the demon slayer corps. Bloodlust is the closest thing I can do to Zenitsu to have him actually fight Kashimo (because at best, In-Character Zenitsu would job the **** out of a fight against a human). I could say "willing to kill" but I'm not sure how valid that is in a versus match.
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I'm pretty sure you could just say "Willing to kill". This is what it says on the SBA page: "The following are the assumptions to be made for battles in versus threads, if no alternative assumptions are specified by the thread creator. Assumptions alternative to these ones can be freely used, are equally legitimate, and threads using different assumptions can be added to profiles just like these ones can. "

Plus the alternative is literally a stomp match that can't be added.
 
Now its a much closer fight but I'm still leaning on Zenitsu to win more often than not. Zenitsu's wincons are godspeed or flaming thunder god, both of which will blitz and decapitate Kashimo. Now that he isn't bloodlusted he likely won't start with them but he is very open to using those moves. Kashimo's wincons on the other hand is his electrified CE trait which can shock Zenitsu if it makes contact and electric discharge which would deal massive damage to Zenitsu and maybe even kill him.

Zenitsu using godspeed or flaming thunder god is more likely than either of Kashimo's wincons. Kashimo's electrified cursed energy trait won't really matter since Zenitsu isn't much of a brawler, in fact his fighting style revolves around getting hit the least amount of times as possible while hitting his opponent. Even if the fight goes into CQC Zenitsu has many speed amps to evade Kashimo's attacks or parry his strikes with his sword.

Kashimo's discharge requires him to accumulate enough energy from one point to use, which is damn near impossible for him to pull off here because he needs to either, land multiple hits on Zenitsu which would be difficult or accumulate energy in a separate place and hope Zenitsu is in the crossfire when he uses the discharge, the issue is Zenitsu is constantly moving around so catching him in the perfect spot to use discharge like this is highly unlikely.
 
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Razor said:
Now its a much closer fight but I'm still leaning on Zenitsu to win more likely than not. Zenitsu's wincons are godspeed or flaming thunder god, both of which will blitz and decapitate Kashimo. Now that he isn't bloodlusted he likely won't start with them but he is very open to using those moves. Kashimo's wincons on the other hand is his electrified CE trait which can shock Zenitsu if it makes contact and electric discharge which would deal massive damage to Zenitsu and maybe even kill him.

Zenitsu using godspeed or flaming thunder god is more likely than either of Kashimo's wincons. Kashimo's electrified cursed energy trait won't really matter since Zenitsu isn't much of a brawler, in fact his fighting style revolves around getting hit the least amount of times as possible while hitting his opponent. Even if the fight goes into CQC Zenitsu has many speed amps to evade Kashimo's attacks or parry his strikes with his sword.

Kashimo's discharge requires him to accumulate enough energy from one point to use, which is damn near impossible for him to pull off here because he needs to either, land multiple hits on Zenitsu which would be difficult or accumulate energy in a separate place and hope Zenitsu is in the crossfire when he uses the discharge, the issue is Zenitsu is constantly moving around so catching him in the perfect spot to use discharge like this is highly unlikely.
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Zenitsu also has instinctive reactions comparable to the hashiras and Tanjiro that can evade attacks faster than they can perceive
 
Zenitsu can immediately sense whether or not Kashimo is a human.
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Zenitsu FRA. That being said would MBA change the fight at all?
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Not sure. The stat amplification is featless and the best it does is give him speed blitzing attacks, but can still get speed blitzed by Zenitsu
 
Ebihara was talking about how it didn’t look like Zenitsu can detect humans vs demons.
 
Being able to sense a demon would not imply that they can detect if someone is a human, that would be a massive assumption. Thats why I asked for clarfaction. I agree he can sense someone is human but I disagree his profiles implies he can. Should probaly fix that
 
Ebihara said:
Being able to sense a demon would not imply that they can detect if someone is a human, that would be a massive assumption. Thats why I asked for clarfaction. I agree he can sense someone is human but I disagree his profiles implies he can. Should probaly fix that
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Not necessarily,

In the world of demon slayer, there are only two things: humans and demons. If Zenitsu doesn’t sense that someone is a demon, he would then assume that the person is a human. In Zenitsu’s mind, there can be no other possibilities.
 
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