Where do Dual Concepts scale ? 1-A ? (Answered)

[BeTheWay1rst]

Of this story, at the beginning there was Darkness. The still, pich black Darkness was the Perfect Order. Then there was Light, the bright and shining Light was the verry incarnation of Change and Chaos. Everything come from them.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Bump

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

nowhere inherently

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Aren't true type 1 concepts are 1_A tho ?

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Aren't true type 1 concepts are 1_A tho ?

not all type 1 are inherently 1-A. if concepts while also being independent of all reality the concept governs, also encompass all space and time (example would be something like concept of Soul encompass all Souls of all reality accross all space and time), then the concept is low 1-A, and archtype/plato concepts are baseline 1-A

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

not all type 1 are inherently 1-A. if concepts while also being independent of all reality the concept governs, also encompass all space and time (example would be something like concept of Soul encompass all Souls of all reality accross all space and time), then the concept is low 1-A, and archtype/plato concepts are baseline 1-A

What do you think about Light and Darkness then ?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

not all type 1 are inherently 1-A. if concepts while also being independent of all reality the concept governs, also encompass all space and time (example would be something like concept of Soul encompass all Souls of all reality accross all space and time), then the concept is low 1-A, and archtype/plato concepts are baseline 1-A

It needs to be the concept/essence of spacetime itself rather than the concept of Soul or any concept unrelated to space. It would be 1A for any concept if they were in a conceptual realm that holds all universals/concepts, with the feats Ultima mentioned about a low 1A/1A concept of spacetime.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

were in a conceptual realm that holds all universals/concepts

Since when ? Being aspacial and atemporal is enough i think.

 

[Frey_Starlight]

It needs to be the concept/essence of spacetime itself rather than the concept of Soul or any concept unrelated to space. It would be 1A for any concept if they were in a conceptual realm that holds all universals/concepts, with the feats Ultima mentioned about a low 1A/1A concept of spacetime.

he said "Before I start considering whether a Type 1 Concept of, say, space/time is around that range" as an example to explain how bad their current cm type 1 is. he didn't mean just the concept of spacetime.

if you can simply prove the concept is atemporal and aspacial, with no antifeat, you can get any concept to low 1-A/1-A.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Since when ?

this verse got 1A

Being aspacial and atemporal is enough i think.

nope.

he said "Before I start considering whether a Type 1 Concept of, say, space/time is around that range" as an example to explain how bad their current cm type 1 is. he didn't mean just the concept of spacetime.

The reason why they would be 1A is because they would be indivisible to lower existences, so they are one in all with all their individual instances.

It needs to be the concept/essence of spacetime itself rather than the concept of Soul or any concept unrelated to space. It would be 1A for any concept if they were in a conceptual realm that holds all universals/concepts, with the feats Ultima mentioned about a low 1A/1A concept of spacetime

if you can simply prove the concept is atemporal and aspacial, with no antifeat, you can get any concept to low 1-A/1-A.

Without more context, it would be taken as BDE 1

 

[Frey_Starlight]

this verse got 1A

nope.

The reason why they would be 1A is because they would be indivisible to lower existences, so they are one in all with all their individual instances.

It needs to be the concept/essence of spacetime itself rather than the concept of Soul or any concept unrelated to space. It would be 1A for any concept if they were in a conceptual realm that holds all universals/concepts, with the feats Ultima mentioned about a low 1A/1A concept of spacetime

Without more context, it would be taken as BDE 1

i am not debating what the op is arguing for 1-A concept or not. 1-A plato concepts would literally imply the concept governs all reality accross all space and time while also being independent of it. any and all archtype concepts which fullfill this criteria by like lets say concept of life is also encompasses the so called essence of space and time which ultima was mentioning, you will say concept of Life is not 1-A because it is not using the word "space/time" and using "life"?

 

[SweetDao]

i am not debating what the op is arguing for 1-A concept or not. 1-A plato concepts would literally imply the concept governs all reality accross all space and time while also being independent of it. any and all archtype concepts which fullfill this criteria by like lets say concept of life is also encompasses the so called essence of space and time which ultima was mentioning, you will say concept of Life is not 1-A because it is not using the word "space/time" and using "life"?

Any "Platonic-like" concept would be 1-A. Even the "Platonic Concept" of fish.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

i am not debating what the op is arguing for 1-A concept or not. 1-A plato concepts would literally imply the concept governs all reality accross all space and time while also being independent of it. any and all archtype concepts which fullfill this criteria by like lets say concept of life is also encompasses the so called essence of space and time which ultima was mentioning, you will say concept of Life is not 1-A because it is not using the word "space/time" and using "life"?

Yeah, platonic forms are 1A, but the reason you gave him for low 1A was not low 1A at all, and the reason you just gave now is also not the reason why platonic ideas are 1A, but just a normal independent concept outside the essence of spacetime stuff you brought in, without understanding Ultima’s comment.

Also, forms are essences themselves. Is there any evidence that forms govern each other for that essence of spacetime stuff you brought in?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

You guys are going too far
The thread is about 2 dual, aspacial and atemporal concepts that predate everything and are the sources of all things(mostly Light since it's incarnation of Change and Chaos)

Of this story, at the beginning there was Darkness. The still, pich black Darkness was the Perfect Order. Then there was Light, the bright and shining Light was the verry incarnation of Change and Chaos. Everything come from them.

 

[Arkenis]

How is this not talking about the start of the universe?

 

[Zeldris98764]

The Light and Darkness here seem like fundamental, abstract forces, Light as chaos/change and Darkness as perfect order, that exist beyond space and time, predating everything else. Since they’re the root of all things and completely unbound by the universe’s structure, they’d probably be Low 1-A. That tier fits things that transcend dimensionality but aren’t explicitly above all possible layers of existence. They’re not quite baseline 1-A unless there’s more proof they’re totally beyond any hierarchy. I'm not certain but Low 1-A would make sense.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

How is this not talking about the start of the universe?

Yes, the creation of everything in that story is something that happend, and that's not what the thread is about, it's about finding a tier for Light and Darkness.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

The Light and Darkness here seem like fundamental, abstract forces, Light as chaos/change and Darkness as perfect order, that exist beyond space and time, predating everything else. Since they’re the root of all things and completely unbound by the universe’s structure, they’d probably be Low 1-A. That tier fits things that transcend dimensionality but aren’t explicitly above all possible layers of existence. They’re not quite baseline 1-A unless there’s more proof they’re totally beyond any hierarchy. I'm not certain but Low 1-A would make sense.

Thanks

 

[Arkenis]

Yes, the creation of everything in that story is something that happend, and that's not what the thread is about, it's about finding a tier for Light and Darkness.

I'm saying how is this NOT the creation of the universe. This looks like standard creation of universe talk. What shows this is talking about concepts?

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

This looks like standard creation of universe talk

What is a standard creation of universe ?
It's not even about the creation of anything, that's just a byproduct of Chaos manifesting itself, it's about Order and Chaos/Change incarnate.

 

[Arkenis]

What is a standard creation of universe ?
It's not even about the creation of anything, that's just a byproduct of Chaos manifesting itself, it's about Order and Chaos/Change incarnate.

"In the beginning there was darkness" very obviously a reference to the creation of the universe. You know the big bang? This shit even says "and then came a flash of light" you know the big bang. It deadass shows the flash as a big explosion with the screen shaking lmao

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

"In the beginning there was darkness" very obviously a reference to the creation of the universe. You know the big bang? This shit even says "and then came a flash of light" you know the big bang. It deadass shows the flash as a big explosion with the screen shaking lmao

Did you even take the time to watch? Darkness and Light are conceptual entities with a will of their own. Darkness birthed Phantaminum afterwards to bring the children of Light back to Darkness.

 

[Arkenis]

Did you even take the time to watch? Darkness and Light are conceptual entities with a will of their own. Darkness birthed Phantaminum afterwards to bring the children of Light back to Darkness.

I did watch. Where is it said they are conceptual entities? Screenshot that for me, tell me the timestamp.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

I did watch. Where is it said they are conceptual entities? Screenshot that for me, tell me the timestamp.

Now that you dropped your big bang theory we can talk.
Not tell me what is a concept .

 

[Frey_Starlight]

Yeah, platonic forms are 1A, but the reason you gave him for low 1A was not low 1A at all, and the reason you just gave now is also not the reason why platonic ideas are 1A, but just a normal independent concept outside the essence of spacetime stuff you brought in, without understanding Ultima’s comment.

Also, forms are essences themselves. Is there any evidence that forms govern each other for that essence of spacetime stuff you brought in?

not all type 1 are inherently 1-A. if concepts while also being independent of all reality the concept governs, also encompass all space and time (example would be something like concept of Soul encompass all Souls of all reality accross all space and time), then the concept is low 1-A, and archtype/plato concepts are baseline 1-A

 

[Arkenis]

Now that you dropped your big bang theory we can talk.
Not tell me what is a concept .

Lmao, you can be funny all you'd like, but you're the one who wants this considered conceptual and 1-A. As of right now, they aren't conceptual nor 1-A. You're the one who's meant to show these are conceptual entities.

 

[BeTheWay1rst]

Lmao

Anyways, i already found all the informations that i need. Take care.

 

[SweetDao]

Sharing Arkenis' opinion.