Adam (Record Of Ragnarok) VS Boboiboy! R1M2 of Reaper Hates Life Tourney (7-1-0) GRACE BUT DQED

[Shadowslash125]

MC Shadow in the house!:​

With both combatants having dealt with relatively easy opponents, not counting Xiao since she raised the white flag immediately in the battle, it's time for Adam and Boboiboy to face off!
The first of their kind, we can say, with Adam being in the literal sense since he is the first human, and Boboiboy being the first to receive his powers from the robot Ochobot.
Both bring interesting methods of fighting and powersets to the table, with Adam being able to copy just about everything he lays his eyes on, and with Boboiboy's versatility from being able to utilise a wide variety of elements in his own style.

But who shall advance to the next round? We will see now.​

Keys and Versions used:​

Default Adam (7-A) & Original Series Boboiboy (7-A, anything above is restricted)

Location:​

Due to SBA, Central Park. Starting Distance is 4 kilometers, as determined by SBA, due to Boboiboy's range being planetary (despite this key not incorporating it)

Battle Conditions:​

• Speed is equalized
• Everything else unmentioned will be according to SBA (Most of my battle conditions can't really be applied anyway tbh)

Votings:​

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Combatants​	Votings​
Almost Naked Lad (467.39 Megatons of TNT, possibly higher)	@Razor, @Catbowtie, @Kachon123, @Ebihara, @XSOULOFCINDERX, @Johner2133451, @GodEarh206
Upin Ipin Citizen (137.519 Megatons of TNT, higher by combining powers)	@Greatsage
El Coin Flip:

 

[Shadowslash125]

I'll do what I must:

Submitting Adam, if he's too powerful Kojiro instead.

Come

 

[Ebihara]

Following.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Adam has the advantage of AP and speed via the FTST. Since Adam can't copy anything here, it's kind of hard to say what he would start with considering we never see him actually fight without copying (I mean, there's the part where he fights without being blind, but it's never shown what techniques he uses, or if he used any at all).

 

[Greatsage13th]

So, huge problem for the first man; Boboiboy does not have any powers that utilizes biology OR magic. This essentially allows Boboiboy to have a huge advantage as Adam only has the option to do CQC and Boboiboy more often than not can do AOE zoning and CQC with a dash of elemental intangibility in the mix.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Boboiboy does not have any powers that utilizes biology OR magic

Bobo is not a god so Adam couldn't copy anyway.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Bobo is not a god so Adam couldn't copy anyway.

Ah, so it only works on gods. So, how many times can he do the FTST without Divine Reflection?

 

[Shadowslash125]

Would Adam be able to use moves already copied, like footwork or that Divine Axe thing?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Would Adam be able to use moves already copied, like footwork or that Divine Axe thing?

...judging by the fact he never uses the snake claw transformation despite already copying it before...probably not.

 

[Ebihara]

Yeah going back. We don't have a solid fight we're he isn't copying, cause that's just how his verse is. So just cqc??

 

[Greatsage13th]

Yeah going back. We don't have a solid fight we're he isn't copying, cause that's just how his verse is. So just cqc??

Yeah, and I'm most definitely giving him the benefit of the doubt that he is much more skilled than Boboiboy in close quarters combat. It's just that despite his stat advantages, he just has nothing capable of countering Boboiboy's elemental powers.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Ah, so it only works on gods. So, how many times can he do the FTST without Divine Reflection?

No, haha. Adam only had one fight, and for 99% of it he was copying Zeus. When he went blind it wasn't shown whether he used copied techniques or not, so we don't know. But he was able to use the reflection in consecutive FTSTs that Zeus did in Adamas form, so Adam could probably do the same thing theoretically.

Would Adam be able to use moves already copied, like footwork or that Divine Axe thing?

Because of the "possibly" if you want yes. But honestly the only thing that matters about the copied skills is the FTST.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Because of the "possibly" if you want yes. But honestly the only thing that matters about the copied skills is the FTST.

I'm not actually the tourney creator, so I'm not really in the position to be able to have a say on this.

Reaps, what says you?

 

[Greatsage13th]

Because of the "possibly" if you want yes. But honestly the only thing that matters about the copied skills is the FTST.

How many times can he do this and would he be harmed if he attempted to punch through something that is otherwise actively harmful?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

How many times can he do this and would he be harmed if he attempted to punch through something that is otherwise actively harmful?

Adam's fighting style is to copy the enemy, dodge and use the copied attack skillfully. Every single fight he had he did this, and when he was blinded and lost his ability to reflect, it was not shown whether he used any divine technique.

If you are talking about how much he can use FTST without copying, I would say that he can do it like Zeus, which would be to simply use it whenever he wants without any restrictions.

The problem, as I said before, is that we do not know what Adam's fighting style is like when he cannot copy the opponent from the beginning. He may simply not use the copied techniques right away or he may go straight to it, it depends.

 

[Razor]

Adam can use all abilities he previously copied at any point in the future. When he copied TFTST from Zeus he says "Thanks for the cool move" (not verbatim but something along those lines) meaning he could almost certainly use it later on. He didn't use the move he copied from the serpent against zeus because it wouldn't do anything. He should be able to use divine axe and the footwork here.

As for TFTST there is no indication that he can't use it multiple times or that it does any harm to the body at all, not a statement. When Zeus used it he was perfectly fine and so was Adam. Adam also doesn't need to constantly have divine reflection on to use copied techniques. He uses divine reflection once and then can use the technique indefinitely without having to use divine reflection. Adamas was an exception because Zeus had gotten so strong that Adam had to use divine reflection for every one of his attacks, so no Adam isn't gonna overheat like he did against Zeus.

What he would likely do since he cannot copy BBB's powers is what he did against Zeus, dodge and attempt to counterattack. We have no indication on whether he'd start with TFTST or not but if BBB becomes too annoying for him to kill he will pull it out. There's also the high chance he just pulls it out the second he realizes he cannot copy BBB just for caution.

I also would like to note that Adam scales stupidly above his value, the AP gap is noteworthy as well.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Adam can use all abilities he previously copied at any point in the future. When he copied TFTST from Zeus he says "Thanks for the cool move" (not verbatim but something along those lines) meaning he could almost certainly use it later on. He didn't use the move he copied from the serpent against zeus because it wouldn't do anything. He should be able to use divine axe and the footwork here.

I see.

As for TFTST there is no indication that he can't use it multiple times or that it does any harm to the body at all, not a statement. When Zeus used it he was perfectly fine and so was Adam. Adam also doesn't need to constantly have divine reflection on to use copied techniques. He uses divine reflection once and then can use the technique indefinitely without having to use divine reflection. Adamas was an exception because Zeus had gotten so strong that Adam had to use divine reflection for every one of his attacks, so no Adam isn't gonna overheat like he did against Zeus.

What I meant was whether or not TFTST can deal with this kind of stuff.

What he would likely do since he cannot copy BBB's powers is what he did against Zeus, dodge and attempt to counterattack. We have no indication on whether he'd start with TFTST or not but if BBB becomes too annoying for him to kill he will pull it out. There's also the high chance he just pulls it out the second he realizes he cannot copy BBB just for caution.

One disadvantage though is that it is only effective within melee range and isn't a ranged snipe attack so he still would have to get close and even if he did, if he decide to use against the lightning elemental that has elemental intangibility, it would simply be like hitting a fog instead of a solid target.

I also would like to note that Adam scales stupidly above his value, the AP gap is noteworthy as well.

True, but Boboiboy has tanked blows that upscale from his own stats and took it well enough to continue fighting at full force.

 

[Razor]

I see.

What I meant was whether or not TFTST can deal with this kind of stuff.

One disadvantage though is that it is only effective within melee range and isn't a ranged snipe attack so he still would have to get close and even if he did, if he decide to use against the lightning elemental that has elemental intangibility, it would simply be like hitting a fog instead of a solid target.

True, but Boboiboy has tanked blows that upscale from his own stats and took it well enough to continue fighting at full force.

You mean the electrical barriers? Considering he has infinite speed during the range of motion there's no reason he can't just move out the way and dodge or go around it. The infinite speed boost doesn't just apply for the motion of the punch, Adam was fast enough to avoid TFTST in the first place. The way it happened in the manga was Zeus punched Adam with TFTST, Adam dodged and countered with his own TFTST.

I don't see why that would be the case. Adam would have infinite speed (Or MFTL+ according to the profiles), BBB would be at most a few kilometers away from him (Assuming BBB doesn't like close combat and prefers to stay at a range). Even at the furthest range possible Adam should be able to cross the distance and punch him anyway.

Yeah, TFTST won't one shot or anything. But it should be enough to seriously wound BBB which would be trouble considering he has no Regen.

What would BBB start with? Adam would likely stand there and wait for BBB to attack, then counter accordingly, since thats what he did against Zeus.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You mean the electrical barriers? Considering he has infinite speed during the range of motion there's no reason he can't just move out the way and dodge or go around it. The infinite speed boost doesn't just apply for the motion of the punch, Adam was fast enough to avoid TFTST in the first place. The way it happened in the manga was Zeus punched Adam with TFTST, Adam dodged and countered with his own TFTST.

Problem is the electric sword rain is, as the name suggests, a rain of electric swords which would require him to punch his way and damage himself in the process even with TFTST as he doesn't have the skill to dodge it.

I don't see why that would be the case. Adam would have infinite speed (Or MFTL+ according to the profiles), BBB would be at most a few kilometers away from him (Assuming BBB doesn't like close combat and prefers to stay at a range). Even at the furthest range possible Adam should be able to cross the distance and punch him anyway.

He does not have that range, and that's even assuming his punching the correct one without elemental intangibility.

Yeah, TFTST won't one shot or anything. But it should be enough to seriously wound BBB which would be trouble considering he has no Regen.

He has dealt with worse before like getting repeatedly getting the stuffing beat out of him from much stronger and skilled opponents in a fight and can still fight at full capacity.

What would BBB start with? Adam would likely stand there and wait for BBB to attack, then counter accordingly, since thats what he did against Zeus.

Danmaku that can extend kilometers in height and width, and can negate durability with cyclone element which he almost always uses for AOE Danmaku combos.

 

[Razor]

Problem is the electric sword rain is, as the name suggests, a rain of electric swords which would require him to punch his way and damage himself in the process even with TFTST as he doesn't have the skill to dodge it.

He does not have that range, and that's even assuming his punching the correct one without elemental intangibility.

He has dealt with worse before like getting repeatedly getting the stuffing beat out of him from much stronger and skilled opponents in a fight and can still fight at full capacity.

Danmaku that can extend kilometers in height and width, and can negate durability with cyclone element which he almost always uses for AOE Danmaku combos.

Why would he need skill? He has infinite speed for TFTST, if this move is activated then BBB won't even be able to use it before Adam socks him with TFTST, and if its passive Adam sees it and just avoids it. From the link you posted it doesn't seem like anything Adam can't just move around through.

He has infinite speed man, the reason his range isn't listed as higher is because the punch itself is done in close range. That doesn't mean Adam has to stand near his original location for the punch. Plus his profiles does list his range as higher with copied attacks, meaning his standard melee range doesn't even account for TFTST.

By injured I mean broken limbs, plus Adam isn't limited in his TFTST usage.

Adam would almost certainly use TFTST when he sees that then, especially when he realizes he can't copy BBB's abilities.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Why would he need skill? He has infinite speed for TFTST, if this move is activated then BBB won't even be able to use it before Adam socks him with TFTST, and if its passive Adam sees it and just avoids it. From the link you posted it doesn't seem like anything Adam can't just move around through.

He can't, it's too dense for him to walk through. Also, TFTST infinite speed only applies to the punch itself and nothing more.

He has infinite speed man, the reason his range isn't listed as higher is because the punch itself is done in close range. That doesn't mean Adam has to stand near his original location for the punch. Plus his profiles does list his range as higher with copied attacks, meaning his standard melee range doesn't even account for TFTST.

You DO realize that Zeus with TFTST only has STANDARD melee range right? So, by extension that means Adam's range never goes above what Zeus' punching distance.

By injured I mean broken limbs, plus Adam isn't limited in his TFTST usage.

There's not really any broken limbs when BoBoiBoy after Triple Split is basically made up of energy on the inside with no biological components.

Adam would almost certainly use TFTST when he sees that then, especially when he realizes he can't copy BBB's abilities.

Problem is he has to get so darn close that he'd perish before he can do so.

 

[Razor]

He can't, it's too dense for him to walk through. Also, TFTST infinite speed only applies to the punch itself and nothing more.

You DO realize that Zeus with TFTST only has STANDARD melee range right? So, by extension that means Adam's range never goes above what Zeus' punching distance.

There's not really any broken limbs when BoBoiBoy after Triple Split is basically made up of energy on the inside with no biological components.

Problem is he has to get so darn close that he'd perish before he can do so.

TFTST allowed Adam to dodge through Zeus' TFTST, requiring infinite speed. So no, TFTST's infinite speed isn't limited to the punch, if it was Adam shouldn't have been able to dodge the punch in the first place.

Again, the only reason it's standard melee range is because the punch itself happens on standard melee range, there's literally no reason why either Zeus or Adam couldn't engage their opponents with TFTST especially when we've seen the infinite speed of the "TFTST" technique apply to something other than the punching motion (Adam's dodging).

 

[Greatsage13th]

TFTST allowed Adam to dodge through Zeus' TFTST, requiring infinite speed. So no, TFTST's infinite speed isn't limited to the punch, if it was Adam shouldn't have been able to dodge the punch in the first place.

TFTST allowed Adam to dodge through Zeus' TFTST, requiring infinite speed. So no, TFTST's infinite speed isn't limited to the punch, if it was Adam shouldn't have been able to dodge the punch in the first place.

Send the scan over.

Again, the only reason it's standard melee range is because the punch itself happens on standard melee range, there's literally no reason why either Zeus or Adam couldn't engage their opponents with TFTST especially when we've seen the infinite speed of the "TFTST" technique apply to something other than the punching motion (Adam's dodging).

But not running or closing distance, dodging essentially like a sidestep. And again it doesn't solve the issue of dealing with airborne opponents lobbing AOE danmaku as well elemental intangibility.

 

[Razor]

Send the scan over.

But not running or closing distance, dodging essentially like a sidestep. And again it doesn't solve the issue of dealing with airborne opponents lobbing AOE danmaku as well elemental intangibility.

Here, and here are the two scans of Hermes describing what happened. The fact only Hermes was able to discern this while all Ares saw was Zeus raising his fist also proves that the TFTST infinite speed isn't just for the punch, it is for when Zeus jumps towards the opponent for the punch and until after the punch lands (Or in Zeus' case after he got punched by his own TFTST).


These are the scans of Ares describing what he saw BTW. He saw Zeus charge his fist up then the next thing he knew Zeus was on the floor. He didn't see Zeus jump towards Adam like Hermes did, meaning that the infinite speed applied there too. And before the argument that Adam needs to charge his fist up for TFTST be used later on, he doesn't since Hermes didn't say he did, that's only for Zeus.

Yes, it does encompass closing the distance and whatever motion is needed to get to the opponent. In the scan you posted BBB is on the ground, so I doubt he flies at the very start of the match, even if he does there's so many obstacles at central park to reach him. In BBB's profile his elemental intangibility only appliees to when he's using a certain move (Lightning speed) so Adam could just catch him when he isn't.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Here, and here are the two scans of Hermes describing what happened. The fact only Hermes was able to discern this while all Ares saw was Zeus raising his fist also proves that the TFTST infinite speed isn't just for the punch, it is for when Zeus jumps towards the opponent for the punch and until after the punch lands (Or in Zeus' case after he got punched by his own TFTST).


These are the scans of Ares describing what he saw BTW. He saw Zeus charge his fist up then the next thing he knew Zeus was on the floor. He didn't see Zeus jump towards Adam like Hermes did, meaning that the infinite speed applied there too. And before the argument that Adam needs to charge his fist up for TFTST be used later on, he doesn't since Hermes didn't say he did, that's only for Zeus.

From what we can see, infinite speed starts when the punch has been cocked and ends when it fully extends out or hit it's target. Which is still quite limiting since there is more than one BoBoiBoy he has to fight and 3 of them poses huge problem.

Yes, it does encompass closing the distance and whatever motion is needed to get to the opponent. In the scan you posted BBB is on the ground, so I doubt he flies at the very start of the match, even if he does there's so many obstacles at central park to reach him.

Not really, he flies higher all buildings surrounding him anyways.

In BBB's profile his elemental intangibility only appliees to when he's using a certain move (Lightning speed) so Adam could just catch him when he isn't.

Problem is, once it's activated it is only stopped once the attacks have been completed (and there is over a hundred slashes involved)

And if we count the zoners in the backline, Adam really can't do much if one of them can actually beat Adam faster than the rest due to dura neg AOE.

 

[Razor]

From what we can see, infinite speed starts when the punch has been cocked and ends when it fully extends out or hit it's target. Which is still quite limiting since there is more than one BoBoiBoy he has to fight and 3 of them poses huge problem.

Not really, he flies higher all buildings surrounding him anyways.

Problem is, once it's activated it is only stopped once the attacks have been completed (and there is over a hundred slashes involved)

And if we count the zoners in the backline, Adam really can't do much if one of them can actually beat Adam faster than the rest due to dura neg AOE.

That just means he can punch once during any usage of TFTST which I didn't deny anyways. I'm just saying he could use that to close the distance since that is literally what Zeus did against Adam.

But does he always fly at the beginning of the match? I don't see any indication of that.

Where is that stated? In the profiles, lightning speed seems to be a very basic speed amp move. He just focuses energy on his feet and moves faster. In the gif he doesn't even attack at all while using the move.

 

[Greatsage13th]

That just means he can punch once during any usage of TFTST which I didn't deny anyways. I'm just saying he could use that to close the distance since that is literally what Zeus did against Adam.

Yes, I agree. But that's still quite a small distance coverage compared to someone who quite literally can attack from a mile away.

But does he always fly at the beginning of the match? I don't see any indication of that.

(0:14)

Where is that stated? In the profiles, lightning speed seems to be a very basic speed amp move. He just focuses energy on his feet and moves faster. In the gif he doesn't even attack at all while using the move.

Not that one, I meant as in This one (4:40).

 

[Razor]

Yes, I agree. But that's still quite a small distance coverage compared to someone who quite literally can attack from a mile away.

(0:14)

Not that one, I meant as in This one (4:40).

There is no indication of a distance limitation to the move. As you said the infinite speed amp seems to apply to when the fist is cocked (Only in Zeus' case since Adam doesn't even need to wind his fist up) and then when the punch connects or if it gets interrupted. The only reason its a small distance in the manga is because they started up close, but there's no reason they couldn't travel further if needed.

Seems to me like he's flying because his opponent is literally a kaiju and so he needs to fly in order to hit him at his most vulnerable spots. He doesn't range spam mid air either, he flies THEN goes into CQC, which completely erases any need for Adam to approach him if BBB approaches Adam in the first place.

If he's intangible during the period of those attacks then yeah Adam won't be able to hit him, but Adam could also dodge as well considering he has his own speed amps, it also didn't look like hundreds of slashes to me, it wasn't even 10 from what I could count. Plus looking at his profiles its a second tier transformation, would he even start with that? I thought he starts by splitting himself then using his first tier transformations.

 

[Greatsage13th]

There is no indication of a distance limitation to the move. As you said the infinite speed amp seems to apply to when the fist is cocked (Only in Zeus' case since Adam doesn't even need to wind his fist up) and then when the punch connects or if it gets interrupted. The only reason its a small distance in the manga is because they started up close, but there's no reason they couldn't travel further if needed.

We don't make such assumptions, we get what we see. Not what we hypothesize that is far above what we see. At MOST it wouldn't even exceed 5 meters,

Seems to me like he's flying because his opponent is literally a kaiju and so he needs to fly in order to hit him at his most vulnerable spots. He doesn't range spam mid air either, he flies THEN goes into CQC, which completely erases any need for Adam to approach him if BBB approaches Adam in the first place.

You seem to have mistaken that he would not use zoning as his 1st choice.

If he's intangible during the period of those attacks then yeah Adam won't be able to hit him, but Adam could also dodge as well considering he has his own speed amps,

Dodge? I think not. When Boboiboy can do all these to bind him in one spot.

it also didn't look like hundreds of slashes to me, it wasn't even 10 from what I could count. Plus looking at his profiles its a second tier transformation, would he even start with that? I thought he starts by splitting himself then using his first tier transformations.

Nope, 1st tier transformations are too redundant that he never used 'em again once he obtained the 2nd tier (with exceptions to fire and water in the original series).
Also, what you mean TEN? each one of those red strokes represents a singular slash. He will start with it.

 

[Razor]

We don't make such assumptions, we get what we see. Not what we hypothesize that is far above what we see. At MOST it wouldn't even exceed 5 meters,

You seem to have mistaken that he would not use zoning as his 1st choice.

Dodge? I think not. When Boboiboy can do all these to bind him in one spot.

Nope, 1st tier transformations are too redundant that he never used 'em again once he obtained the 2nd tier (with exceptions to fire and water in the original series).
Also, what you mean TEN? each one of those red strokes represents a singular slash. He will start with it.

You're the one making an assumption here, claiming that the user of TFTST is limited in range when nothing suggests that. We've literally already seen TFTST be used to close the distance between two opponents. And you yourself said that the speed amp seems to apply for when the fist is charged up to when after it has already connected or if it is interrupted. The burden of proof is on you to prove that there is some sort of limit on the range or specific type of motion one can do when using TFTST, and there is no proof of that.

1st one he doesn't fly immediately, he shoots out fireballs. In the second one he charges a large fireball which for one Adam wouldn't let him charge up and two won't hit Adam anyways. In the third one he doesn't start to fly immediately either, and when he did its not like he stayed in the air to range spam. He attacked and then went back to the ground. Adam could just dodge. In the fourth one, that would be hard for Adam to deal with. If he gets caught in the fire binding thingy he'd bee in trouble, but the likelihood that he uses TFTST before that is higher than him just standing there.

Anyways the gist of it is, none but the fourth link you sent shows BBB actually range spamming (and using a binding move). He usually attacks from range but is more than willing to go into CQC. Which wouldn't be good for him.

Why couldn't he just dodge those as well? Almost all of them are projectile based or something that travels, Adam isn't just going to sit there. Even if he goes get binded the chances he would use TFTST would just go higher.

I see, he does go into his red lightning form rather quickly.

 

[Razor]

You're the one making an assumption here, claiming that the user of TFTST is limited in range when nothing suggests that. We've literally already seen TFTST be used to close the distance between two opponents. And you yourself said that the speed amp seems to apply for when the fist is charged up to when after it has already connected or if it is interrupted. The burden of proof is on you to prove that there is some sort of limit on the range or specific type of motion one can do when using TFTST, and there is no proof of that.

1st one he doesn't fly immediately, he shoots out fireballs. In the second one he charges a large fireball which for one Adam wouldn't let him charge up and two won't hit Adam anyways. In the third one he doesn't start to fly immediately either, and when he did its not like he stayed in the air to range spam. He attacked and then went back to the ground. Adam could just dodge. In the fourth one, that would be hard for Adam to deal with. If he gets caught in the fire binding thingy he'd bee in trouble, but the likelihood that he uses TFTST before that is higher than him just standing there.

Anyways the gist of it is, none but the fourth link you sent shows BBB actually range spamming (and using a binding move). He usually attacks from range but is more than willing to go into CQC. Which wouldn't be good for him.

Why couldn't he just dodge those as well? Almost all of them are projectile based or something that travels, Adam isn't just going to sit there. Even if he goes get binded the chances he would use TFTST would just go higher.

I see, he does go into his red lightning form rather quickly.

Also just to add even more to the first argument. Adam does not only have infinite speed for TFTST but divine reflection in general (Which is a distinction that can be seen in the profiles), for which he has no range limitation at all since divine reflection isn't a singular set attack but just a general ability of Adam's. So even if TFTST itself was limited to range, which it isn't. Adam has the same speed with divine reflection anyways.

 

[Greatsage13th]

You're the one making an assumption here, claiming that the user of TFTST is limited in range when nothing suggests that. We've literally already seen TFTST be used to close the distance between two opponents. And you yourself said that the speed amp seems to apply for when the fist is charged up to when after it has already connected or if it is interrupted. The burden of proof is on you to prove that there is some sort of limit on the range or specific type of motion one can do when using TFTST, and there is no proof of that.

Is that so? Then tell me the MOST distance he can cover with TFTST in one go from the source given.

1st one he doesn't fly immediately, he shoots out fireballs.

The point is, he will zone from in the air and not on the ground. and the fireballs and him were in the air to begin with.

In the second one he charges a large fireball which for one Adam wouldn't let him charge up and two won't hit Adam anyways

It will, Adam will be damaged even after dodging, scorched flesh or being ragdolled from tens of meters away from the shockwave of the blast.

In the third one he doesn't start to fly immediately either

Did he not just do that?

and when he did its not like he stayed in the air to range spam.

My guy, all of those that was shown here and before that IS spamming from range. Lobbing fireballs and fire chakrams repeatedly, raining lightning swords, consecutive ground spikes and the likes is something that Adam would most definitely fail to counter even with TFTST because he can't get close enough to land a blow but only dodge to avoid it.

He attacked and then went back to the ground. Adam could just dodge. In the fourth one, that would be hard for Adam to deal with. If he gets caught in the fire binding thingy he'd bee in trouble, but the likelihood that he uses TFTST before that is higher than him just standing there.

Which would only allow him to dodge and unable to land a blow from far away (He's the one of the least acrobatic participants in RoR, he hasn't even shown the capabilities of scaling heights or jumping tens of meters into the air to get to his opponents for goodness sake, THAT is what's holding him back here and that would be the lack of distance coverage on his part), and even so he would be burnt to a crisp from being too close to it, the flames are so hot that even magma from a volcano pales in comparison to it.

Anyways the gist of it is, none but the fourth link you sent shows BBB actually range spamming (and using a binding move). He usually attacks from range but is more than willing to go into CQC. Which wouldn't be good for him.

Adam can burn himself to a crisp if he accidentally attacks Thunderstorm mid-Lightning speed or dislocate his wrist if he attempts to do the same to Cyclone with Cylone barrier in full operation if they do decide to charge. Adam may as well be fighting his most unforgiving matchup by far, at least with Zeus he can hit back with little to no repurcussions but he's fighting someone who's offense is their defense at the same time.

Why couldn't he just dodge those as well? Almost all of them are projectile based or something that travels, Adam isn't just going to sit there. Even if he goes get binded the chances he would use TFTST would just go higher.

That's because they are all AOE and not simply bullets or arrows. these projectiles go BOOM whenever they hit ANYTHING.

I see, he does go into his red lightning form rather quickly.

Yes, and it would scorch Adam if he mistimes which he most certainly will.

 

[Razor]

Is that so? Then tell me the MOST distance he can cover with TFTST in one go from the source given.

The point is, he will zone from in the air and not on the ground. and the fireballs and him were in the air to begin with.

It will, Adam will be damaged even after dodging, scorched flesh or being ragdolled from tens of meters away from the shockwave of the blast.

Did he not just do that?

My guy, all of those that was shown here and before that IS spamming from range. Lobbing fireballs and fire chakrams repeatedly, raining lightning swords, consecutive ground spikes and the likes is something that Adam would most definitely fail to counter even with TFTST because he can't get close enough to land a blow but only dodge to avoid it.

Which would only allow him to dodge and unable to land a blow from far away (He's the one of the least acrobatic participants in RoR, he hasn't even shown the capabilities of scaling heights or jumping tens of meters into the air to get to his opponents for goodness sake, THAT is what's holding him back here and that would be the lack of distance coverage on his part), and even so he would be burnt to a crisp from being too close to it, the flames are so hot that even magma from a volcano pales in comparison to it.

Adam can burn himself to a crisp if he accidentally attacks Thunderstorm mid-Lightning speed or dislocate his wrist if he attempts to do the same to Cyclone with Cylone barrier in full operation if they do decide to charge. Adam may as well be fighting his most unforgiving matchup by far, at least with Zeus he can hit back with little to no repurcussions but he's fighting someone who's offense is their defense at the same time.

That's because they are all AOE and not simply bullets or arrows. these projectiles go BOOM whenever they hit ANYTHING.

Yes, and it would scorch Adam if he mistimes which he most certainly will.

He CAN cover? Whatever he wants to. He has infinite speed and can move freely. That's the distance he can cover. Tell me, why would Zeus or Adam travel kilometers for TFTST when their opponent is literally right there in front of their faces. My proof for them being able to travel large distances is the fact that 1. The move explicitly gives them speed surpassing time itself and 2. It has been shown that there are no limitations to the range of motion a user can make with TFTST, Adam moved sideways, ducked then countered, Zeus cocked his fist then jumped and pursued Adam. TFTST doesn't require the user to move in a certain manner or limit them in anyway.

In the first link you sent, his first move wasn't to fly, he attacked from range on the ground THEN flew. Also, and I don't mean any offense by this, but I have to ask. Why did you send the link in the timeframe where he flew when that wasn't when he started attacking? When I rewound the clip you sent he started in, like I said the ground, and then flew and attacked from there. He also didn't fly that high up, certainly not in a range where Adam can't reach him.

Adam TFTST and interrupts the charging process before that. Or just leaves the radius of the blast entirely.

He did, thats my bad, I must've mixed up the third link with something else.

The distance coverage thing is something that again can be mitigated by TFTST. In fact if BBB does what you're saying he will, which is spam from a range, which I haven't seen him do. He does spam mid air but in your other clips he's also more than willing to go into CQC. In your other clips he doesn't spam range at all. There has been two major points of your arguments thus far that I see. 1 is that he range spams from a distance and 2 he has elemental intangibility but from what I can see his only form that grants him elemental intangibility is something he uses for CQC and the form he uses to keep a distance doesn't give him elemental intangibility. So neither work in conjunction with one another.

Why would he attack him mid lightning speed when he would clearly be able to tell the dude is lightning, he just waits for him to not do that and then use TFTST. He has literal infinite speed during TFTST, he sees everything frozen. He would have to be as dumb as a rock to accidentally hit BBB when he's in one of his defensive states.

Adam has speed amps and if he gets annoyed by the range spam he just uses TFTST like I said.

How would Adam mistime it? He has infinite speed during TFTST. And that would only happen specifically during lightning speed which isn't BBB's constant state at all times.

The likelihood of BBB killing Adam before Adam decides **** it and uses TFTST is very low, considering the very high AP gap and the fact that Adam's supernatural willpower is so high he can continue fighting after his death.

Idk what BBB start with cause frankly his moveset seems to change at a whim, so I'd just run down all of his options that I know of so far.

Scenario 1- BBB Goes in for CQC. If he does this he's screwed, Adam would dodge his attacks and deal devastating damage due to the AP gap. Ntm the TFTST right up Adam's sleeve.

Scenario 2- BBB range spams. If he does this he could seriously harm Adam or even kill him before Adam decides to use TFTST. It also depends of if he can catch Adam off guard with a binding move of his to effectively range spam. I think the chances of this isn't 0 but very low, as his binding options aren't exactly the fastest, most of it is ground based which Adam would be able to tell. The only real trouble is the fire ring he uses which could pose a problem for Adam. If BBB doesn't successfully bind Adam in place then Adam dodges until BBB gets tired of range spamming and goes into CQC or BBB hits Adam with his ranged attacks and deals damage, in which case Adam realizes he's in trouble and uses TFTST.

If I'm missing any other opening moves of BBB do let me know but I believe whether BBB decides to go for close ranged or long range Adam can get the win more likely than not. Especially considering that while BBB's danmaku poses a threat, due to the large AP gap and Adam's willpower the chances that he dies before he decides to use TFTST is very low. Binding moves from BBB is a viable option but Adam won't just let that happen.

 

[Greatsage13th]

He CAN cover? Whatever he wants to. He has infinite speed and can move freely. That's the distance he can cover. Tell me, why would Zeus or Adam travel kilometers for TFTST when their opponent is literally right there in front of their faces. My proof for them being able to travel large distances is the fact that 1. The move explicitly gives them speed surpassing time itself and 2. It has been shown that there are no limitations to the range of motion a user can make with TFTST, Adam moved sideways, ducked then countered, Zeus cocked his fist then jumped and pursued Adam. TFTST doesn't require the user to move in a certain manner or limit them in anyway.

With that you most definitely broke a fallacy.

In the first link you sent, his first move wasn't to fly, he attacked from range on the ground THEN flew. Also, and I don't mean any offense by this, but I have to ask. Why did you send the link in the timeframe where he flew when that wasn't when he started attacking? When I rewound the clip you sent he started in, like I said the ground, and then flew and attacked from there. He also didn't fly that high up, certainly not in a range where Adam can't reach him.

They are 4 kilometers away man, Adam is too darn slow to cover that distance in time before Boboiboy does. FTL vs MFTL+

Adam TFTST and interrupts the charging process before that. Or just leaves the radius of the blast entirely.

Too far away and too sluggish to be the one to pull it off, TFTST also requires a charge up time, Boboiboy's speed amp will intercept the charge up of TFTST and interrupt it's activation before it even gets lobbed. May be several seconds long to charge but it is quite enough to exterminate Adam before he gets the chance.

He did, thats my bad, I must've mixed up the third link with something else.

Forgiven, we make mistakes all the time.

The distance coverage thing is something that again can be mitigated by TFTST. In fact if BBB does what you're saying he will, which is spam from a range, which I haven't seen him do. He does spam mid air but in your other clips he's also more than willing to go into CQC. In your other clips he doesn't spam range at all. There has been two major points of your arguments thus far that I see. 1 is that he range spams from a distance and 2 he has elemental intangibility but from what I can see his only form that grants him elemental intangibility is something he uses for CQC and the form he uses to keep a distance doesn't give him elemental intangibility. So neither work in conjunction with one another.

No it does not, TFTST is not a Rasengan which you can hold on to, run up to your opponent nd smash their face in with it.
You took a punch with infinite speed and is currently trying to convince us that it is some kind of battering ram that runs at infinite speed and can strike someone from 4 kilometers away at any time for goodness sake. ('- 'll)

Why would he attack him mid lightning speed when he would clearly be able to tell the dude is lightning, he just waits for him to not do that and then use TFTST. He has literal infinite speed during TFTST, he sees everything frozen. He would have to be as dumb as a rock to accidentally hit BBB when he's in one of his defensive states.

Because he has not dealt with this kind of combatant before! As if he knows that Boboiboy wrapped in a red aura would scorch him, he would simply think its an intimidating aura like that of Zeus he saw beforehand, which is why I say he would scorch himself by accident not because he is some kind of idiot BUT he just does not know any better and ignorant of the fact. Like he has only fought 2 people in the series, a serpent god and a god who uses punches and kicks, not someone with this much versatility and wielding 5 different kinds of powers that puts the gods' own powers to shame.

Adam has speed amps and if he gets annoyed by the range spam he just uses TFTST like I said.

It can be interrupted and at worst he'd strike something he should not.

How would Adam mistime it? He has infinite speed during TFTST. And that would only happen specifically during lightning speed which isn't BBB's constant state at all times.

Not when he is attacking off course like that previous clip where he does not stay out of that phase while harassing a giant clown until he decided to perform a 'hammer of dawn'

The likelihood of BBB killing Adam before Adam decides **** it and uses TFTST is very low, considering the very high AP gap and the fact that Adam's supernatural willpower is so high he can continue fighting after his death.

Why would he even try his ABSOLUTE best to kill a child like Boboiboy in this fight even after his own death, is that even in-character for him?

Idk what BBB start with cause frankly his moveset seems to change at a whim, so I'd just run down all of his options that I know of so far.

He has a very diverse set of starting moves but his ranged assets most certainly carries more quantity than his melee ones.

Scenario 1- BBB Goes in for CQC. If he does this he's screwed, Adam would dodge his attacks and deal devastating damage due to the AP gap. Ntm the TFTST right up Adam's sleeve.

The scenario would be correct if he does not attack the wrong elemental at the wrong time frame. Fire, emanates heat with each attack that exceed volcanic lava. Thunderstorm, burnt to a crisp if attacking, Cyclone, wind barrier that would dislocate his wrist if active during attack. Quake and Water have no issues to him.

To summarize: Don't attack Fire when he is attacking. Don't attack Thunderstorm when he is attacking. Leave Cyclone for last, as he has the most busted defense on standby with the highest chance of eliminating Adam with dura neg over a kilometer wide AOE.

Scenario 2- BBB range spams. If he does this he could seriously harm Adam or even kill him before Adam decides to use TFTST. It also depends of if he can catch Adam off guard with a binding move of his to effectively range spam. I think the chances of this isn't 0 but very low, as his binding options aren't exactly the fastest, most of it is ground based which Adam would be able to tell. The only real trouble is the fire ring he uses which could pose a problem for Adam. If BBB doesn't successfully bind Adam in place then Adam dodges until BBB gets tired of range spamming and goes into CQC or BBB hits Adam with his ranged attacks and deals damage, in which case Adam realizes he's in trouble and uses TFTST.

You say the binding isn't very fast for earth which is maybe (if you are really pushing it, maybe kinda is) but Fire can also bind and it bound the leader of the most dangerous power sphere hunter squad in the universe whilst he was teleporting. Those things are also quite hot, much hotter than volcanic magma as I mentioned, so it does not matter if the bind wasn't successful, it will still kill the all the nerves in the body and render him immobile as a side effect.

If I'm missing any other opening moves of BBB do let me know but I believe whether BBB decides to go for close ranged or long range Adam can get the win more likely than not. Especially considering that while BBB's danmaku poses a threat, due to the large AP gap and Adam's willpower the chances that he dies before he decides to use TFTST is very low. Binding moves from BBB is a viable option but Adam won't just let that happen.

I would point out that if Boboiboy pulls off any of these combo moves, Adam will be lose the fight due to dura neg due to the nature of the Cyclone element or due to the fact that other element combos are deadly enough to end the fight in one shot or in a prolonged conflict due to status effects:





https://youtu.be/4Cjm0vZM2O0?list=PL_Br331M3f_7ksnqjOqqHp0cy7Li6-4fT&t=1143

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'll be taking a very long nap, I'll reply within the next 24 hours if I can.

 

[Shadowslash125]

a very long nap

AKA sleep

 

[Razor]

With that you most definitely broke a fallacy.

They are 4 kilometers away man, Adam is too darn slow to cover that distance in time before Boboiboy does. FTL vs MFTL+

Too far away and too sluggish to be the one to pull it off, TFTST also requires a charge up time, Boboiboy's speed amp will intercept the charge up of TFTST and interrupt it's activation before it even gets lobbed. May be several seconds long to charge but it is quite enough to exterminate Adam before he gets the chance.

Forgiven, we make mistakes all the time.

No it does not, TFTST is not a Rasengan which you can hold on to, run up to your opponent nd smash their face in with it.
You took a punch with infinite speed and is currently trying to convince us that it is some kind of battering ram that runs at infinite speed and can strike someone from 4 kilometers away at any time for goodness sake. ('- 'll)

Because he has not dealt with this kind of combatant before! As if he knows that Boboiboy wrapped in a red aura would scorch him, he would simply think its an intimidating aura like that of Zeus he saw beforehand, which is why I say he would scorch himself by accident not because he is some kind of idiot BUT he just does not know any better and ignorant of the fact. Like he has only fought 2 people in the series, a serpent god and a god who uses punches and kicks, not someone with this much versatility and wielding 5 different kinds of powers that puts the gods' own powers to shame.

It can be interrupted and at worst he'd strike something he should not.

Not when he is attacking off course like that previous clip where he does not stay out of that phase while harassing a giant clown until he decided to perform a 'hammer of dawn'

Why would he even try his ABSOLUTE best to kill a child like Boboiboy in this fight even after his own death, is that even in-character for him?

He has a very diverse set of starting moves but his ranged assets most certainly carries more quantity than his melee ones.

The scenario would be correct if he does not attack the wrong elemental at the wrong time frame. Fire, emanates heat with each attack that exceed volcanic lava. Thunderstorm, burnt to a crisp if attacking, Cyclone, wind barrier that would dislocate his wrist if active during attack. Quake and Water have no issues to him.

To summarize: Don't attack Fire when he is attacking. Don't attack Thunderstorm when he is attacking. Leave Cyclone for last, as he has the most busted defense on standby with the highest chance of eliminating Adam with dura neg over a kilometer wide AOE.

You say the binding isn't very fast for earth which is maybe (if you are really pushing it, maybe kinda is) but Fire can also bind and it bound the leader of the most dangerous power sphere hunter squad in the universe whilst he was teleporting. Those things are also quite hot, much hotter than volcanic magma as I mentioned, so it does not matter if the bind wasn't successful, it will still kill the all the nerves in the body and render him immobile as a side effect.

I would point out that if Boboiboy pulls off any of these combo moves, Adam will be lose the fight due to dura neg due to the nature of the Cyclone element or due to the fact that other element combos are deadly enough to end the fight in one shot or in a prolonged conflict due to status effects:





https://youtu.be/4Cjm0vZM2O0?list=PL_Br331M3f_7ksnqjOqqHp0cy7Li6-4fT&t=1143

That, is definitely not how you use a no limits fallacy. An NLF is holding a specific statement that only applies to in verse and treating it as absolute truth. For example if I were to make the claim that BBB cannot beat Adam because it has been stated that humans without a divine weapon can never beat gods in RoR, despite the fact that plenty of humans outside the verse can indeed beat the gods in RoR even without needing the Volundr. That is an NLF. What I am simply doing is saying that an ability should logically be able to do something it has never gotten the chance to do so because there is no indication otherwise and it makes no logical sense for there to be a limit in its range.

Speed is equalized.

TFTST doesn't require charge up, thats only for Zeus. In the scan I sent Hermes literally described it as Adam dodgding Zeus by a hair then right after countering with his own TFTST, which would've been impossible if his TFTST required charge up.

That is literally what Zeus did, just in a similar distance. He used the TFTST move to charge to Adam WHILE holding on to the fist. He kept his infinite speed during his time traveling the distance between him and Adam, the only difference is the range is wider here but considering Adam literally has infinite speed that means nothing, literally nothing as infinite speed would cover the same distance without any difference on the time.

I'm pretty sure he would be able to feel the temperature emanating from BBB in this form considering he's literally elemental? It isn't like BBB's powers are some otherwordly shit that Adam couldn't have encountered in his 7 million years of existence, BBB controls elements, that's it. Sure there's a twist to it but Adam has seen these elements before.


It cannot, Adam's TFTST doesn't require charge up time. I thought this was pretty evident from the scans I sent of hermes describing what happens. And its literally impossible for him to strike something he shouldn't because 1. If he sees something he shouldn't touch then he would just stop TFTST and wait for whatever form BBB is in to pass and B since Adam would use TFTST when BBB is range spamming AKA when he isn't intangible or in his defense states or whatever then the likelihood that BBB is in a state where punching him could hurt Adam is unlikely, he only has 1 elemental intangible state.


Then Adam just waits for the barrage of attacks to pass, again he has his own speed amps so dodging shouldn't be an issue. Worst case scenario he gets hit and keeps going because of supernatural willpower.

If the fight had already gotten to the point where he's near death or literally dead then why wouldn't he try his absolute best to retaliate? His supernatural willpower

I think Adam has enough common sense to not touch literal fire and lightning. I fail to see how cyclone's wind barriers would break Adam's wrists considering Adam has the AP gap here for a wide margin. Adam isn't going to accidentally touch one of BBB's elemental states during TFTST.

Yep, the earth binding isn't dangerous like I said, as it wasn't really fast. But the fire binding is the real problem for Adam here. You're also correct in saying that even if Adam doesn't get binded the temperature would surely cause trouble. Though I'm not really sure how this fire shackle abilitiy work so could I see it more at play? In the profiles it says that fire launches shackles which binds his enemy. But in the clip the guy just teleported into them. Did BBB bait him into teleporting to where he already had the shackle? Plus I thought BBB started with tier 2 transformation since tier 1 transformations became obsolete once he got them. And the fire shackles are only listed in his tier 1 "fire" transformation. In fact he has no binding moves in the second tier transformations.

Have a good rest, respond anytime you want to.

 

[AthelChan]

Following.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Bump

 

[Greatsage13th]

According to another knowledgeable member of RoR, what you have said above is not something Adam would ever resort to doing:

Assuming he has the stamina and general care in the world to actually try which he technically could. Adam is more just wait back kinda guy so even if CAN do it, is it something he is WILLING or WILL do, since his whole thing is to wait for the opponent to make the first move.

Wait, so TFTST can actually allow anyone to run up to someone that far away and punch them before they could blink?

We've never seen it used at such a distance since all RoR fights happen in enclosed spaces, but there is no restriction to it not being used that way. Just depends if the person is smart enough to use it that way or even cares to use it that way and if the person can see or sense them that far away.

In the case of Adam no, he cannot since he isn't able to see or sense someone that far, plus he doesn't fight like that

So, there is an issue with the way you portray how Adam would fight in this match up, Adam would not use TFTST in this manner at all it being very out-of-character for him to do, he can't sense Boboiboy or see him from that far for him to engage with Boboiboy, as well as the fact Adam would not fight like that.